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Channel log from 24 August 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 09:22 | <warren> brb, quick shower.
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| 09:32 | <warren> back
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| 09:33 | who is here for the K12Linux meeting?
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| 09:33 | <petre> here
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| 09:33 | I'm about 75% done on the html README, btw
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| 09:33 | hope to finish today
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| 09:34 | nothing fancy, but many screenshots
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| 09:35 | <warren> are you going to upload it to a static URL somewhere so others can comment on it?
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| 09:37 | <petre> Yes, I'll stick it on my server and post a link to it to the mailing list
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| 09:37 | <warren> great
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| 09:38 | OK, so on my end, no progress on the branding issue. I'm going to give him a call again tomorrow to see if we can do anything.
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| 09:38 | <petre> it's not much, but I think it will help; *I* like how-to's with lotsa pix
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| 09:38 | Is he just not responding?
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| 09:38 | <warren> he responded once or twice recently with "what time would you like to talk?"
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| 09:38 | but not after that
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| 09:39 | I'll call him tomorrow
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| 09:39 | <petre> if that doesn't work, do you have any ideas for other names?
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| 09:39 | <warren> Fedora LTSP5
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| 09:39 | or just K12LTSP
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| 09:39 | <petre> ooh, catchy!
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| 09:39 | not that I have anything better to offer
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| 09:40 | <warren> Aside from this, I'm soon at 5 releases since the last push to Fedora updates.
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| 09:40 | Fedora infrastructure being down slowed things a lot
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| 09:40 | I need to finish up this latest release of ltsp and ldm
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| 09:40 | a few more tiny bug fixes
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| 09:41 | <petre> do you use any sort of VM for client testing?
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| 09:41 | <warren> petre: I may spin a pre-beta2 image for you to test with the new README
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| 09:41 | <petre> ok
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| 09:41 | <warren> petre: my laptop has hardware virt so I use the included ltsp-vmclient which works out of the box
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| 09:42 | <petre> oh, right, I fired that up a while ago
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| 09:42 | <warren> ltsp-vmclient works without hardware virt but it is really slow
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| 09:42 | <petre> quite a while ago, actually
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| 09:42 | that's okay, I mostly just want to get a screenshot of the login screen
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| 09:42 | so speed doesn't matter
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| 09:43 | <warren> in other news
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| 09:43 | http://wtogami.livejournal.com/27915.html
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| 09:43 | petre: well, the login screen will change with rebranding
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| 09:43 | if we secure the k12linux name
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| 09:43 | or if we use a different name
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| 09:43 | <petre> good point
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| 09:43 | <warren> http://wtogami.livejournal.com/27915.html I'm searching for vendors and model options of Intel Atom-based thin clients.
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| 09:44 | I have nothing else to report for this meeting. I want to get back to work to get ltsp-5.1.20 released.
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| 09:44 | any questions?
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| 09:45 | petre: btw, what is your full name?
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| 09:45 | petre: I want to add you to credits
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| 09:49 | <petre> sorry, I stepped away to fix my wife's laptop
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| 09:50 | warren: Peter Scheie
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| 09:50 | tx
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| 09:51 | when do you expect to have the pre-beta2 ready?
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| 09:52 | <warren> a few days from now
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| 09:52 | maybe even tomorrow
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| 09:52 | we'll see
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| 09:54 | <petre> why do you want 2GB RAM in the Atom TCs?
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| 09:54 | local app video?
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| 09:54 | 2GB seems like a lot for a TC
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| 09:55 | although RAM is pretty cheap any more I suppose
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| 09:55 | <warren> petre: local apps
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| 09:55 | petre: Atom is cheap enough that buying it with 2GB, you might as well
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| 09:55 | petre: it will last a LONG TIME with that kind of power
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| 09:56 | <petre> I've run servers with less RAM
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| 09:56 | but you are correct, it would lengthen the life of the tc
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| 09:56 | <warren> petre: sure, but this is the future we're talking about.
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| 09:56 | these are not TC's of the past
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| 09:56 | these are TC's that could run entirely their own software
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| 09:57 | with 3D graphis
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| 09:57 | google earth
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| 09:57 | <petre> I've read several stories over the years about TC installations in which the author says it's easier to get people to spend money for glitz than to save money by going low-end
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| 09:58 | I don't get it, but I know I'm a bit more of a cheapskate than most
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| 09:59 | <warren> petre: you could get Intel Atom with 2GB RAM, full system for about $200 each now.
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| 09:59 | <petre> so, small, fanless 2GB clients for $200 may be easier to sell to people than $100 ebox-2300
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| 10:00 | have you seen the ebox 4300 in action?
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| 10:00 | more ram, faster chip
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| 10:00 | ~$230 I think, not sure how it compares to Atom
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| 10:01 | <warren> I want to see specs
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| 10:02 | petre: one customer that i'm working with now is definitely aiming to be futured proofed
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| 10:02 | future
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| 10:02 | <petre> looking at your blog post, why the interest in SD slots?
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| 10:03 | pics from cameras?
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| 10:03 | <warren> petre: just extra convenience for users
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| 10:03 | petre: I mean those two other boxes have them
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| 10:34 | <warren> I intend on tagging both ltsp and ldm today.
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| 10:38 | <petre> pardon my ignorance, but what does tagging mean?
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| 10:40 | <warren> petre: new version numbers are tagged in bzr
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| 10:40 | <petre> ok
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| 10:40 | <warren> petre: several releases ago was ltsp-5.1.19
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| 10:40 | err
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| 10:40 | several revisions ago
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| 10:41 | petre: the last version to be pushed to fedora updates was ltsp-5.1.15
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| 10:41 | <petre> ah, the gap caused by fedora's server problems
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| 10:42 | <warren> well
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| 10:42 | I also didn't push anything since then
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| 10:43 | <petre> that was you just be proactive ;-)
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| 10:43 | being
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| 11:13 | <warren> tagging ldm now
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| 11:13 | ltsp a bit later
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| 11:26 | petre: OK, I might be able to spin a a pre-beta2 tomorrow if you can get me the HTML content
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| 11:27 | petre: so please upload it for review and let the list know ASAP
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| 11:33 | <petre> I hope to be finished within the next hour.
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| 11:34 | better make that two hours
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| 11:34 | <warren> k cool
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| 11:34 | I'll be back in a few hours.
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| 12:10 | <warren> no trimming, F9 client chroot squashfs image is 172MB
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| 12:12 | <petre> that's pretty good, isn't it?
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| 12:14 | <warren> I suppose
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| 12:20 | I could make NBD root the default on the live image
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| 12:20 | but then modifying it will be hard
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| 12:36 | <petre> warren, http://petre.homedns.org/README-LIVE-LTSP-SERVER-SETUP/README-LIVE-LTSP-SERVER-SETUP.html
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| 12:37 | brb
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| 14:05 | <pleed> Hi, can someone please tell me where the pxe bootet ltsp-thin-client knows the ip address of the ltsp server for nfs/ssh ?
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| 14:05 | and all other information needed like the mount pah
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| 14:05 | path
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| 14:08 | <johnny> the dhcp server can provide the root path
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| 14:11 | <pleed> johnny: is the dhcp server asked by the ltsp image itself again or does the pxe code provide the ip address
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| 14:13 | <johnny> i think it asks again
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| 14:13 | i don't think the pxe code can pass info down
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| 14:14 | <pleed> okay so in theory if i create a livecd which used kexec to boot the thin-client image i neednt attach any information
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| 14:14 | <johnny> why bother?
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| 14:14 | i don't get what you're trying to accomplish
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| 14:15 | <pleed> Using old laptops as thin clients which dont have pxe but have pcmcia network cards
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| 14:15 | <johnny> what are the specs of those??
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| 14:16 | <pleed> these are some 3com megahertz 574bf
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| 14:16 | <johnny> no.. the laptops
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> pxelinux can pass information recieved from the boot server, but it's not advised to use it (for some unexplained reason).
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| 14:16 | <pleed> about 120 mhz, 40 mb ram
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| 14:16 | <johnny> ouch
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| 14:17 | <pleed> johnny: yes but it should work
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| 14:18 | just have to get those cards working
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| 14:19 | <stgraber> pleed: did you try gpxe ? they provide a cd-rom containing the boot images for most network cards
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| 14:20 | <pleed> stgraber: yes but not for pcmcia cards
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| 14:22 | i think i ll build a livecd that will load the ltsp and kexec it
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| 17:09 | <_thomas__[xi]> hi, someone could tell me if there is a bootsplash project or something like to ltsp 5?
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| 21:13 | <warren> pushed a heavily tested cleanup routine to ltsp-update-kernels
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| 21:13 | i'm tagging again soon
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| 21:17 | johnny: I thought of a simple (although hackish) way to get your distro to be cleaned up by this script without a lot of hassle.
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| 21:18 | johnny: for each kernel, touch vmlinuz-$name as just a blank filename, then genkernel-$arch-$name can be a pattern that is cleaned up.
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| 21:18 | johnny: perhaps this is too ugly though.
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| 21:18 | hmm
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| 21:18 | this wont clean up older kernels I guess
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| 21:18 | nevermind
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| 21:23 | <warren> tagging ltsp
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| 22:11 | <johnny> warren, i'm not really concerned atm, I'll look into that when my stuff is actually in the trunk
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| 22:11 | <warren> johnny: ok
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| 22:11 | johnny: yeah, everyone else lived without cleanup for years now
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| 22:12 | <johnny> i'm just waiting for the review...
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| 22:12 | still need to get our initramfs generator maintainers to allow a newer busybox
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| 22:12 | need to find out why they are holding a patch for mdadm
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| 22:13 | i see mdadm stuff in buildroot scripts of busybox, not sure what it is doing there
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| 22:13 | buildroot scripts of upstream that is..
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| 22:13 | this is an area i don't know much about
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