IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 24 November 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:31 | <alkisg> Hi all, I'm using Edubuntu 7.10, can anyone tell me how to change the Display Manager language for the clients?
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| 00:31 | I mean the logon screen, where the student enters his username/password
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| 00:45 | <alkisg> Hi all, I'm using Edubuntu 7.10, can anyone tell me how to change the client login screen *language*?
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| 05:38 | <moldy> hi
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| 05:46 | is there a way to support terminal-attached usb sticks with ltsp?
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| 12:04 | <moquist_> sbalneav: what more, if anything, would you like me to do with sshfsplus?
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| 12:54 | <johnny> sshfsplus ?
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| 13:00 | <K_O-Gnom> dberkholz: are you here?
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| 13:00 | <dberkholz> K_O-Gnom: yes
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| 13:03 | <K_O-Gnom> dberkholz: hi ... i have a little question ... can you tell me how the work is progressing on the ltsp ebuild for gentoo? (I hope I do not pester you with this question)
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| 13:04 | <dberkholz> K_O-Gnom: i haven't done a whole lot on it lately, because of other commitments. a few people have said they'll do something, but they haven't ever come back to me with anything.
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| 13:04 | K_O-Gnom: so at the moment, it's sort of in temporary storage
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| 13:04 | <K_O-Gnom> dberkholz: i would help you but i cant ... i havent the needet knowlege ..
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| 13:05 | dberkholz: so i only can be very thankfull that you do it and can wait ... (waiting is no poblem for me because ltsp 4.2 workes atm good as it needs to) ..
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| 13:43 | <vagrantc> ogra: virtualbox rocks
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| 13:45 | <warren> virtualbox?
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| 13:45 | <vagrantc> another virtual machine system
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| 13:46 | warren: http://www.virtualbox.org
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| 13:46 | one of those started as closed source but moved open source projects
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| 13:46 | it was uploaded to debian a while back, and there was a backport to etch a few days ago ... been using it for LTSP testing.
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| 13:47 | <warren> vagrantc, it is like qemu but faster?
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| 13:47 | vagrantc, can it do PXE?
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| 13:48 | <vagrantc> warren: yes, it's *way* faster than qemu
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| 13:49 | requires a custom kernel module
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| 13:49 | warren: and it can do PXE
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| 13:53 | <warren_> vagrantc, it looks cool, but apparently it isn't fully FOSS
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| 13:53 | vagrantc, I don't know how they get away with having a non-open version in binaries without violating the GPL?
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| 13:54 | vagrantc, when it includes parts of qemu and other projects within it
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| 13:54 | <vagrantc> warren_: dual liscense?
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| 13:54 | if it made it into debian, i'm more-or-less trusting the liscensing.
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| 13:54 | <warren_> vagrantc, so I guess Debian has the OSE?
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| 13:54 | <vagrantc> i know they stripped a bunch out for debian
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| 13:54 | <warren_> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
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| 13:54 | <vagrantc> yeah, ose
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| 13:54 | <warren_> ah
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| 13:54 | k
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| 13:55 | ewwww
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| 13:55 | You will need to install some additional libraries on your Linux system in order to run VirtualBox - in particular, you will need libxalan-c, libxerces-c and version 5 of libstdc++. How to install these will depend on the Linux distribution you are using.
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| 13:55 | <vagrantc> "apt-get install virtualbox-ose" worked for me :)
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| 13:57 | <Drakeweb> hey, anyone using Neoware EON 3000/4000 thin clients on ltsp5?
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| 13:58 | I'm having trouble booting ... they PXE and I get the graphical edubuntu loading screen, then it all goes dark and my monitor reports no signal
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| 13:58 | I'm assuming it's an xwindows thing, but am not sure how to proceed
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> warren_: looks like you found a troll :)
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| 14:04 | ah, altlinux.
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| 14:04 | heh.
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| 14:07 | * vagrantc wonders when the altlinux ltsp will reach ... ltsp | |
| 14:07 | <warren> vagrantc, so debian is packaging the OSE with things stripped out?
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> warren: that's what it seems to be
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| 14:08 | <warren> vagrantc, I suppose that would be license appropriate.. while the non-free version they ship themselves is likely violating the GPL
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> quite possibly
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| 14:08 | my only fear is lurking liscense stuff that people haven't noticed ... as it's a really nice piece of software
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| 14:08 | <warren> Drakeweb, that is likely either a driver bug or problem with your monitor
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| 14:09 | vagrantc, so OSE with things stripped out is still pretty useful?
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> Drakeweb: maybe try setting the resolution with X_MODE_0=640x480 or X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 or such
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| 14:10 | warren: extremely
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| 14:10 | <warren> vagrantc, does it do PXE?
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> warren: on fairly modest hardware (866MHz with 512MB of ram) i've can run a virtual LTSP server and two virtual thin clients at reasonable speeds
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| 14:11 | warren: yes, PXE
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| 14:11 | <warren> cool
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| 14:11 | <vagrantc> though you start to notice if all 3 are running at once ...
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| 14:12 | ogra's been using virtualbox for some time now, but i tend to wait till things hit debian ... lest i get addicted to something with liscense issues
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| 14:16 | <warren> vagrantc, here's another project I've been working on
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| 14:16 | vagrantc, https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/InstantMirror/
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| 14:16 | vagrantc, might be useful for many folks
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| 14:16 | vagrantc, like... does freegeek have its own debian/ubuntu mirror?
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> warren: internal mirror, yeah
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| 14:17 | <warren> ahy
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| 14:17 | ah
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| 14:18 | <vagrantc> warren: we set up a transparent squid proxy and then parse the logs for which packages to mirror
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| 14:18 | warren: works pretty good
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| 14:18 | <warren> vagrantc, ah
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| 14:18 | <vagrantc> partial debian mirrors is one of my other obsessions :)
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| 14:19 | <warren> vagrantc, with InstantMirror it appears as a full mirror and downloads parts on-demand
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> warren: yeah, there's a few of those for debian
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| 14:19 | <warren> oh?
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> warren: at least 3 or 4 :)
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| 14:19 | <warren> vagrantc, which packages? I should take a look.
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> warren: apt-proxy, apt-cacher, approx ...
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| 14:20 | i know there was another one somewhere along the way ...
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| 14:20 | i've never found one i really liked, though
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| 14:20 | <warren> vagrantc, do any of them retain the original directory structure and filenames, so you can also use rsync?
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> warren: i think apt-proxy does
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| 14:21 | <Drakeweb> sorry, dropped out and back again. Anyone using neoware eon 3000/4000 thin clients?
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| 14:22 | * vagrantc hasn't seen any responses | |
| 14:22 | <vagrantc> Drakeweb: maybe try setting the resolution with X_MODE_0=640x480 or X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 or such
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| 14:22 | Drakeweb: do you know what type of video card they have?
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| 14:23 | <Drakeweb> what should I put to turn off xserver completely, just to check I can actually get a shell?
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> Drakeweb: SCREEN_07=shell
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| 14:23 | <Drakeweb> what setting should I use for XSERVER?
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| 14:24 | <warren> vagrantc, does apt-proxy use apt's actual metadata?
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| 14:24 | <vagrantc> warren: i think so
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| 14:24 | <Drakeweb> some people on the ltsp wiki say XSERVER=auto works for them.
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| 14:24 | <warren> Drakeweb, your problem is likely very hardware dependent
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| 14:24 | <vagrantc> warren: i made some patches to apt-proxy year ago ... but it's a bit memory and sometimes cpu hungry
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| 14:24 | <warren> Drakeweb, you need to narrow it down
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| 14:25 | <vagrantc> Drakeweb: XSERVER=auto is basically the default
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| 14:25 | <warren> Drakeweb, X_MODE_0=640x480 or X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 would help you to see if it is only a problem with your monitor
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| 14:25 | <vagrantc> the ltsp wiki is probably LTSP 4.x
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| 14:25 | <warren> Drakeweb, or if the driver is incapable of higher settings
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| 14:25 | <Drakeweb> it was. a bit old I fear.
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| 14:25 | <vagrantc> or the occasional card that needs X_COLOR_DEPTH=15
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| 14:25 | <warren> Drakeweb, if it doesn't work with the lowest settings, then it is probably a driver problem
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| 14:26 | <Drakeweb> is there a significant difference between 4.2 and 5?
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> huge difference
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| 14:26 | LTSP 4.x is it's own distribution, LTSP 5 is based entirely on the the distro you're using
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| 14:27 | <Drakeweb> oh
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> so on ubuntu, you're using X.org from ubuntu, and on debian you're using X.org from debian
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| 14:28 | <Drakeweb> oh heck
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| 14:28 | hmmm
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| 14:28 | <vagrantc> Drakeweb: can you install onto one of the machines and see if you get X working ?
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| 14:29 | though first, try playing with X_MODE_0 and X_COLOR_DEPTH, like mentioned earlier
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| 14:29 | <Drakeweb> i think i may have found a problem
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| 14:29 | lts.conf is referenced from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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| 14:29 | on ltsp5
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| 14:29 | and mine is missing ...
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| 14:30 | however if I set a modern dell laptop to pxe boot it all works fine
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| 14:30 | <warren> Drakeweb, entirely different video card
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| 14:30 | <Drakeweb> can anyone send me a suitable lts.conf file?! (please)
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| 14:30 | so i have something to tweek
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| 14:30 | <warren> Drakeweb, and the monitor is different as well. You will run into trouble sometimes with old crap monitors that don't do DDC, for example.
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| 14:31 | <Drakeweb> i'm using a 15" TFT
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> Drakeweb: lts.conf is not needed
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| 14:31 | <Drakeweb> how do i set the xserver and x-color-depth then?
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> well, you create an lts.conf ...
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| 14:31 | [default]
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| 14:31 | X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
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| 14:32 | X_MODE_0=640x480
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| 14:32 | try that
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| 14:32 | <Drakeweb> XSERVER?
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| 14:32 | <vagrantc> Drakeweb: defaults to "auto"
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| 14:32 | there are sane defaults for everything
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| 14:34 | <Drakeweb> do i need to reboot any services, or should it pick up the lts.conf on client boot?
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| 14:34 | gonna try it now
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> please do.
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| 14:41 | <Drakeweb> no dice.
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| 14:42 | <vagrantc> Drakeweb: edit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 14:42 | <Drakeweb> the screen blanks, then says there is no signal, then blanks again, repeat.
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| 14:42 | <vagrantc> Drakeweb: remove: quiet splash
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| 14:43 | <Drakeweb> ok, rebooting
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| 14:46 | everything worked fine until it got to @starting ltsp client@
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| 14:47 | then the screen blanked, then i got a quick flash of a red error message (too fast to spot) then the screen blanked again
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| 14:47 | <vagrantc> that's probably the x configuration...
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| 14:48 | <Drakeweb> is there a log somewhere i can find that error message?
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> /var/log/Xorg.1.log
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| 14:49 | well, it depends ...
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| 14:50 | <Drakeweb> I've got xorg.0.log
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| 14:50 | and xorg.20.log
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> on the thin client?
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| 14:51 | <Drakeweb> sorry - i think i'm being dumb here. those logs were on the server
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> probably having trouble getting to the thin client ... :)
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| 14:52 | Drakeweb: set SCREEN_07=shell in lts.conf
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| 14:52 | <Drakeweb> bearing in mind the screen doesn't work!
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| 14:52 | ok
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> but then X won't start at all ..
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| 14:52 | well ... i guess the configuration will run
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| 14:52 | which is actually probably all you need
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| 14:53 | <Drakeweb> how do i change to the shell?
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| 14:53 | on the client?
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| 14:54 | <vagrantc> alt-f7
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| 14:54 | sbalneav: i finally figured out why multiple host support was borked on debian!
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| 14:55 | sbalneav: was a simple bug in ldm's screen script
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| 14:56 | <Drakeweb> the red error was a failure to detect sound
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| 15:00 | ok, so I've got a shell on screen 0
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| 15:00 | and one on 7
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| 15:01 | 7 is already logged on as root
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| 15:01 | and I can't log on to 0
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> that's to be expected
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| 15:02 | <Drakeweb> why?
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> on tty1 is the normal login
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| 15:03 | on SCREEN_07 is the LTSP screen script "shell"
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| 15:03 | SCREEN_07 is run on tty7
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| 15:03 | <Drakeweb> ok, why can't I log on to tty1?
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> because root
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| 15:04 | s password is disabled
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| 15:04 | <Drakeweb> i can't log on as any user
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 15:04 | there are no users on the thin client
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| 15:04 | <Drakeweb> oh brother, now I'm confused ...
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> just use the shell on tty7 :P
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| 15:04 | <Drakeweb> am i not trting to log on to the server?
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| 15:05 | via the client?
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> not at the moment
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| 15:05 | <Drakeweb> oh
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> well, you do whatever you want, but i thought you wanted to look at the logs on the thin client itself, not on the server
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| 15:05 | <Drakeweb> i do! I'm just confused about the logging on!
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| 15:06 | ok, so I want to look at the Xorg.1.log on the client, correct?
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 15:06 | <Drakeweb> what am i looking for?
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> anything like ERROR: you have no video card!
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| 15:06 | <Drakeweb> ok, hang on
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> Drakeweb: or whatever ...
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| 15:07 | they might just come up as EE WW and ** or something ...
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| 15:07 | just look for things that seem alarming
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| 15:07 | Drakeweb: most likely at the bottom ...
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| 15:08 | Drakeweb: tail -n 20 /var/log/Xorg.1.log
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| 15:08 | wahoo ... finally made progress on http://bugs.debian.org/443200
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| 15:10 | <Drakeweb> nothing. chipset mediagx detected
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| 15:10 | no errors listed
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| 15:10 | note at the end stating how to test the x server
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> Drakeweb: run the command: X
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| 15:11 | <Drakeweb> on tty7?
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 15:11 | anywhere else you could run it? :P
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| 15:12 | <Drakeweb> well, it didn't like that ...
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| 15:12 | is there any way i can pull the log off the client onto the server?
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| 15:17 | vagrantc: thanks for your help so far with this. Can we talk again another day? It's late for me, and I need to watch an episode of Voyager ... ha ha ha
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> Drakeweb: good luck. i'm around when i'm around :)
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| 15:27 | <joebob777as7> i'm having a login issue for my local clients. They are trying to log in and it gives them invalid username and password. but if i switch to the shell and ping the server from the individual screen and then switch back they are able to login fine.
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> weird
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| 15:35 | <joebob777as7> i know ogra was telling me he thought it was my network. and I had bought a pretty cheap switch so i went out and got a nice 16 port gigabit switch from linksys and still no go...
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| 15:36 | i think i'm going to try a new chroot... vagrantc if i want to make a new chroot called nvidia and it be 64 bit arch what command do i use?
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> joebob777as7: this is 64BIT SERVER?
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| 15:37 | <joebob777as7> yes
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| 15:37 | * vagrantc smacks the CAPSLOCK key | |
| 15:37 | <joebob777as7> lol
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> joebob777as7: i think there's options defined in ltsp-build-client --help or --extra-help
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| 15:39 | <joebob777as7> nice didn't know --extra-help existed. if i do --chroot do i have to specify whole dir? /opt/ltsp/nvidia?
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| 15:39 | <vagrantc> joebob777as7: i think just --chroot nvidia ...
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| 15:40 | joebob777as7: if you wanted it somewhere else --base /opt/somewhere/else --chroot nvidia
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| 15:40 | <joebob777as7> ok thanks!
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| 15:40 | <vagrantc> and probably --arch amd64
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| 15:41 | 64 bit thin clients, eh?
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| 15:41 | <joebob777as7> yeah. also do you think there will be a change in the future to make two 64 bit types amd64 and ia64?
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> there's ia64 for debian
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| 15:42 | no idea on ubuntu's support plans
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| 15:42 | <johnny_> lol
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| 15:43 | ia64 thin clients?
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| 15:43 | * johnny_ laughts | |
| 15:43 | <johnny_> laughs*
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| 15:44 | <vagrantc> ?
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| 15:44 | you asked
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| 15:45 | actually probably going to drop ltsp support for most of the architectures in debian...
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| 15:46 | <johnny_> what is worth supporting for thinclients ? amd64, i386, ppc, and?
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| 15:46 | maybe arm in some crazy world..
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| 15:47 | <vagrantc> well, i know we have network boot code for i386/amd64, powerpc, alpha and sparc
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| 15:47 | and i know people who have arm thin clients
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| 15:47 | so there's interest there
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| 15:47 | but hey, there's ltsp packages for s390 in debian :)
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| 15:47 | <joebob777as7> vagrantc, i removed /opt/ltsp/* and went to build my chroot with amd64 arch and i get: ERROR: unsupported architecture. Check your --arch argument: amd64, supported values are: i386 powerpc,error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 15:48 | <vagrantc> joebob777as7: i think that's an ubuntu specific thing ...
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| 15:48 | joebob777as7: file a bug with ubuntu
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| 15:48 | <joebob777as7> ok for now i'll just make it i386
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| 15:49 | oh i get it since the server is amd64 it's architecture is amd64 by default and not listed.
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| 15:50 | <johnny_> you have amd64 thin clients tho?
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| 15:50 | seriously?
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| 15:50 | gimme? :)
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| 15:50 | <joebob777as7> vagrantc, you said they're going to drop ltsp support for most of the architectures?
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| 15:50 | <vagrantc> joebob777as7: i'm thinking about dropping support in debian
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| 15:50 | <joebob777as7> yeah they're cheap 200 a piece johnny
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| 15:50 | vagrantc, why is that?
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| 15:53 | <vagrantc> joebob777as7: because you don't need to be running thin clients on mainframes?
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| 15:54 | i plan on keeping only i386, amd64, powerpc and maybe alpha, sparc and arm ...
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| 15:54 | <joebob777as7> that makes sense
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| 15:54 | <vagrantc> well, mainframe as a thin client
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| 15:54 | definitely insane
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| 15:55 | if someone provides network boot code for other architectures supported in debian, i'd probably include it ...
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| 15:55 | it's probably the only thing a m68k would be good for these days ... if it would even be good enough
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| 15:56 | <johnny_> prolly not
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| 15:56 | <vagrantc> currently in debian's ltsp: alpha amd64 arm hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc
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| 15:58 | <joebob777as7> wow
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| 15:58 | there you go johnny ia64. ;)
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> don't know what it takes to network boot an ia64
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| 16:00 | <joebob777as7> they run amd64 and i386 fine afaik
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| 16:00 | <johnny_> lol
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| 16:00 | i don't need ia64.. x86 is good enough for me
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| 16:01 | <vagrantc> it's got mkelfimage ...
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| 16:10 | <joebob777as7> vagrantc, if i'm making a group to boot to amd64 would i make it look like this?
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| 16:10 | http://pastebin.ca/796248
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| 16:11 | * vagrantc prefers pastebot.ltsp.org | |
| 16:11 | <vagrantc> but anyways ...
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| 16:12 | <joebob777as7> ok
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| 16:13 | <vagrantc> joebob777as7: host foo { harware ethernet xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx ; }
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| 16:13 | joebob777as7: host bar { harware ethernet xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx ; }
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| 16:13 | <johnny_> one day i'll get autologin to work again..
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| 16:13 | <vagrantc> i think it's broken
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| 16:13 | <joebob777as7> vagrantc, what if they are all the same host?
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| 16:13 | just make it all host foo?
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| 16:14 | <vagrantc> joebob777as7: multiple ethernet cards in a single machine?
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| 16:14 | i would treat each interface as a separate machine, at least from dhcp's poinbt of view
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| 16:14 | <joebob777as7> ok thanks
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> foo-1, foo-2, etc ...
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| 16:15 | not sure if you can specify the same host multiple times or not ... go ahead and experiment if you like
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| 16:15 | <joebob777as7> will do.
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> well, i'll be back in a bit
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| 16:16 | <joebob777as7> ok thanks for the help ttyl
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| 18:24 | <jammcq> hey all
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| 18:29 | <BGomes> jammcq: hi
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| 18:32 | <jammcq> hey BGomes
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| 18:34 | <BGomes> jammcq: all fine?
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| 18:34 | <jammcq> yeah, very fine
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| 18:35 | how are you?
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| 18:36 | <BGomes> jammcq: fine
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| 18:37 | jammcq: at this moment geting bzr of LTSP upstream :) Ltsp5 is very fine too
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| 18:38 | <jammcq> yeah, it's in pretty good shape right now
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| 20:53 | <BGomes> What is the folder imagem on /opt/ltsp/ of ubuntu 7.10 ?
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| 20:56 | ogra: u are here? it is for u :)
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| 20:57 | tou vendo se o kra q fez ta on, vou ver com ele quando q ele colocou isso...
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| 20:57 | # copyright 2007 Canonical LTD., Oliver Grawert <ogra@ubuntu.com>
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| 20:57 | osp
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| 20:58 | sory, it is not here
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| 23:45 | <mathesis> there is ltsp 5 to debian testing?
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