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Channel log from 26 February 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:49 | <Briareos1> hello
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| 04:50 | quick question: what could it mean when after the ubuntu-loading screen the client ends up with a blinking cursor on the top left corner of the screen?
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| 05:06 | <alkisg> quick answer: you need to stay longer to get an answer :)
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| 05:13 | so: what could it mean when after the ubuntu-loading screen the client ends up with a blinking cursor on the top left corner of the screen?
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| 05:29 | <alkisg> Briareos1: try removing "quiet splash" from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default, and reboot the client to better see any error messages.
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| 05:44 | <Briareos1> alkisg: it says eth1 link down
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| 05:45 | <alkisg> Briareos1: do you have multiple nics on the client?
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| 05:45 | <Briareos1> alkisg: no
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| 05:45 | <alkisg> Why "eth1" then?
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| 05:45 | and not "eth0"?
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| 05:45 | <Briareos1> wait - i'll check myself - my colleague told me via phone - brb
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| 05:46 | <alkisg> Also, which ubuntu version is that?
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| 05:46 | <Briareos1> alkisg: okay, it states: r8169: eth0: link down
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| 05:47 | 8.04
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| 05:51 | <alkisg> Briareos1: can you check your cabling?
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| 05:51 | link down usually means that the cable isn't connected (or the switch or ...)
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| 05:51 | If the cabling is ok, then it might be a module problem
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| 05:52 | <Briareos1> alkisg the client get an IP from the DHCP, so i guess the cabling must be ok (?)
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| 05:52 | alkisg: which module ?
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| 05:55 | <alkisg> Briareos1: yeah sorry then the cabling would be ok
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| 05:55 | the r8169 module of the 8.04 kernel
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| 05:56 | Briareos1: do you want me to send you the lucid kernel to put it in tftpboot to see if it boots with it?
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| 05:57 | (it'll hang afterwards, but you'll verify if the problem is the kernel)
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| 06:02 | <Briareos1> alkisg hmm yes please - how big is it?
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| 06:03 | <alkisg> about 8.5 mb
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| 06:08 | <alkisg> Briareos1: http://rapidshare.com/files/356125824/kernel.tar.gz.html
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| 06:08 | <Briareos1> alkisg great - thanks
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| 06:09 | <alkisg> Put them in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 (check the symlinks to point to the correct image)
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| 06:17 | <Briareos1> alkisg: I've downloaded the file and will try that next week. enjoy your weekend!
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| 06:17 | <alkisg> You too
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| 06:20 | <tthorb> Our freezing continues... Here are to other /var/logs from the client and .xsession-errors: http://www.t-t.no/ltsp/
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| 06:48 | <Briareos1> thanks, byebye
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| 06:59 | <tthorb> Have anyone experiences with flash? The logs reports a bunch of problems with flash...
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| 07:23 | <alkisg> flash is heavy, so it needs good cpu + network
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| 07:24 | It usually works ok when not full screen.
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| 07:24 | !flash
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| 07:24 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "flash" :: Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try the HQtube plugin. Install greasemonkey for firefox, and see http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24999
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| 07:25 | <mgariepy> morning all
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| 07:32 | <tthorb> Real smart, that ltspbot... :)
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| 08:41 | <mordocai> So i was looking into a way to change the black text, in the upper left and right hand corners of the ldm screen, to white... and found this http://anotherubuntu.blogspot.com/2009/03/ltsp-ldm-theme-for-jaunty.html. Which very plainly says it isn't possible. Just to make sure, does anyone know a way to change it? I'd like to have a dark background.
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| 08:45 | Also, is there anyway to change the error message when you enter an incorrect password? "No response from server" is not very descriptive. I would be willing to go into code if needed for either change.
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| 08:47 | <thunsucker> mordocai: you might have better luck in #ubuntu with questions about ldm
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| 08:47 | <Gadi> no, this is the right place
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| 08:47 | we wrote ldm
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| 08:47 | :)
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| 08:48 | mordocai: apt-get source ldm
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| 08:48 | <thunsucker> Gadi: oh cool!
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| 08:48 | <Gadi> inside the code, you will find a src directory
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| 08:48 | and a gtkgreet directory
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| 08:48 | I think you will have to change greeter.c
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| 08:48 | <ogra> i dont :)
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| 08:48 | <Gadi> no
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| 08:49 | ?
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| 08:49 | <ogra> you should be able to just create a custom systemwide gtkrc :)
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| 08:49 | <Gadi> to change font colors?
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| 08:49 | ah
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| 08:49 | <ogra> yep
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| 08:49 | <Gadi> I guess you could do that too
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| 08:49 | <ogra> might influence localapps, not sure
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| 08:49 | <Gadi> ldm honors that sort of thing? :)
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| 08:49 | <ogra> gtk does
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| 08:49 | <Gadi> unless you explicitly set font colors
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| 08:50 | <ogra> i think there are gtkrc files in the themes
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| 08:50 | if nopbody changed the greeter to massively since i looked last
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| 08:50 | <Gadi> ah, ok, well there ya go
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| 08:50 | * ogra digs in the depts of his ancient mind ... | |
| 08:51 | <mordocai> hmm... okay. So where is the system wide gtkrc? I'm actually using fedora. Oh, and would the error message be in greeter.c?
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| 08:51 | <Gadi> sure enough - greeter-gtkrc
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| 08:51 | <ogra> heh, yeah
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:52 | <Gadi> mordocai: have a look in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/fedora
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| 08:52 | or some such
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| 08:52 | you can prolly mess with the greeter-gtkrc file there for fonts
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| 08:53 | <ogra> for the message you will have to hack in deeper areas though
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| 08:53 | <Gadi> that message is in: src/sshutils.c
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| 08:53 | <ogra> thats buried somewhere in scotties ssh layer
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| 08:53 | yeah
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| 08:53 | <Gadi> or you can just change the language translations
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| 08:53 | most likely
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| 08:53 | right?
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| 08:54 | <mordocai> Okay, sounds good. I think i'll have to go find the ldm code online though... fedora doesn't seem to have a source package.
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| 08:54 | <ogra> thats a bit harder than just changing it in the code i guess
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| 08:54 | fiddling with gettext etc
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| 09:04 | <mordocai> Hmm... so all the text that is black seems to be dealing with menus... maybe i really can't change it.
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| 09:14 | So, could someone take a look at the readme in the source of ldm real quick? I believe step 5 should be copy rc.d/* to $CHROOT/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/
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| 09:16 | And while we're at it... i think step 4 should be copy src/ldm to $CHROOT/usr/sbin and step 6 should be copy gtkgreet/ldmgtkgreet to $CHROOT/usr/libexec/ldm
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| 09:18 | And to be more precise, i mean the ldm-trunk branch on launchpad.
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| 09:20 | <mordocai> ls
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| 09:23 | <mordocai> Oh... and in addition, step 2 should be ./configure --prefix=/usr not ./configure --prefix=usr. the second one doesn't work :P
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| 09:24 | <ogra> heh, nobody really builds from plain upstream, feel free to create a launchapd branch with fixes for that readme :)
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| 09:24 | and propose it for merging
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| 09:26 | <tthorb> Freeze again! Firefox-plugin again: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/nppdf.so
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| 09:26 | <tthorb> But how to remove that!?
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| 09:34 | <mordocai> ogra: Do you happen to know how i could edit the sshutils.c to where it only gives my incorrect password message if the password is wrong? I don't know enough about ssh to know what the code is actually looking for. I think it's looking for the number of ':' in whatever ssh is sending them back? So, any idea if i can check for an "password incorrect" response?
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| 09:34 | <ogra> no, ask sbalneav
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| 09:35 | he wrote that part of ldm
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| 09:36 | <alkisg> I think he'll be focusing on libpam-ssh now, and that would make sshutils.c obsolete...
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| 09:37 | <mordocai> Okay, well I just needed a quick fix on the error message. Saying no response from server when it's the wrong password would jsut confuse users... if he's reworking it, then i can wait for a better fix.
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| 09:38 | <mordocai> So, i got it to say Incorrect password... that should work from now. The line else if (seen < 0) just seems like there could be multiple errors besides the password being wrong that could be true there.
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| 09:38 | s/from/for/
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| 09:40 | <ogra> i think he wrote it to have a way to handle "password expired" and fire up a dialog based on that
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| 09:41 | originally ldm only did plain screen scraping from ssh and forwarded messages into the greeter ... but such interactive tasks werent possible with that
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| 09:45 | <mordocai> In any case, it definitely looks like, to me, the font i'm looking to change is somewhere in the code... because i didn't change the theme, but when i installed the trunk ldm the text was moved to the lower right-hand corner, and it seems to be a darker black...
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| 09:48 | <ogra> the font is a system font
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| 09:48 | <alkisg> Ugh /var/cache/run/archives is still mounted when ltsp-build-client calls ltsp-update-image. That got me a 13 Gb nbd image... :-/
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| 09:48 | <ogra> could be worse :)
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| 09:49 | <johnny> alkisg, isn't therer some --exclude in the mksquashfs call?
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| 09:49 | <mordocai> ogra: yeah, but i'm looking to change the color of the font... (should have said that)
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| 09:49 | <johnny> perhaps you should make it settable in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf ?
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> johnny: the sequence is wrong - unmounting should happend before the ltsp-update-image call
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| 09:49 | <ogra> moldy, you did say that ... and the colors are read from the gtkrc
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| 09:49 | <johnny> sure.. but there are probably lots of other useful things to clean too
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| 09:49 | <ogra> err
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| 09:49 | * alkisg looks at the plugins sequence.. | |
| 09:49 | <johnny> like man pages and whatnot alkisg
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| 09:49 | <ogra> mordocai, ^^^
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| 09:50 | <johnny> docs for system apps nobody needs, etc
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| 09:50 | all the locales/langs you don't need
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| 09:50 | <mordocai> Well, that's what i mean. I've changed all the colors in that file(i think) and none of them changed it.
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> johnny: nah I don
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| 09:50 | *don't care about those, those are the responsibility of the admin who creates the ltsp-build-client.conf file
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| 09:50 | <ogra> mordocai, you need to *add* an entry, by default no color is defined for the font :)
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| 09:51 | <johnny> alkisg, sure.. but you're the admin :)
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| 09:51 | i'm talkingabout you
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| 09:51 | <ogra> youaretalkingabouthim ?
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> johnny: sure, if I don't want them I just blacklist them. No need to install them and remove them afterwards...
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| 09:52 | talking about sysadmins: http://xkcd.com/705/
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| 09:52 | <mordocai> ogra: oh... okay. That makes more sense now :P. Do you know what exactly i need to add?(if not i'll look it up)
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| 09:52 | alkisg: LOVE xkcd... and that comic made me laugh for a very long time.
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| 09:52 | <ogra> not from the top of my head
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| 10:00 | <mordocai> ogra: hmm... well one of the settings in that file is setting it, actually. I looked up gtkrc's online, and couldn't find a setting that wasn't already in that one. So, i did sed -i s/\"#.*\"/\"#FFFFFF\"/ greeter-gtkrc and it changed it... so now i just need to figure out which one it is.
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| 10:08 | <jelly-bean> is there an easy way to manage package management upgrades across many servers? (e.g. receive notifications of pending updates, execute upgrades in batch)
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| 10:10 | <ogra> if you use ubuntu have a look at puppet ...
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| 10:10 | or if you are willing to pay you can use landscape
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| 10:19 | <alkisg> Urgh the mounts (/var/cache/apt/archives, /proc etc) are unmounted when ltsp-build-client exits - so it's hard to make 095-update-image *not* include the archives while making the nbd image...
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| 10:20 | <ogra> unmount and mount it later again ?
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| 10:20 | <alkisg> Maybe we should make an 090-umount-everything plugin at finalization), and specify that after that, nothing is mounted in the chroot
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| 10:20 | <ogra> look at how chroot mount works
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| 10:20 | <ogra> *chroot-mount
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| 10:20 | <jammcq> hello all
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| 10:20 | <alkisg> Because I think all 09x plugins umount and remount just to let ltsp-build-client unmount them at the end
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| 10:21 | I think it'd be better if we had a phase where nothing is mounted - that would give more flexibility for the plugins. We just need to "define" it, by putting an umount plugin...
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| 10:21 | <ogra> alkisg, create a function like chroot-mount ... call it ltsp-mount or build-mount or something
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| 10:21 | then you can just grab everything that was mounted from the list
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| 10:22 | and unmount at a point ... then do stuff ... and remount
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> chroot_mount just keeps a list. I could get that list and umount it at some point, and of course clear the list so that on_exit trap doesn't re-umount it
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| 10:22 | That would save us from a needless remount/umount
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| 10:23 | <ogra> well, just make sure nothing accesses any mounts after your unmount
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| 10:23 | <vagrantc> alkisg: we could have a really-final-no-i-mean-it phase :)
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| 10:24 | <vagrantc> ideally, mksquashfs would have a --on-filesystem sort of option like rsync
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| 10:24 | --one-filesystem
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| 10:25 | <alkisg> vagrantc: right, so if e.g. we defined that phase as "finalization but after 090", then I think only minimal changes would be needed. Or do you mean a completely new MODE? I don't think the current on_exit trap will allow that...
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| 10:25 | <mordocai> ogra: Finally found it. It's line 139 on mine, but it's fg[normal] for style clearlooks-frame-title
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| 10:25 | <ogra> ah
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| 10:25 | <vagrantc> alkisg: so, the problem is that some packages need certain filesystems mounted to install properly, and mksquashfs doesn't have a simple way to exclude only the sub-dirs of filesystems...
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| 10:25 | ??
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| 10:26 | <alkisg> The current problem, yes
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| 10:26 | * alkisg looks for other umounts in the plugins.. | |
| 10:26 | <vagrantc> manually unmounting things seems foolish... we should definitely have it happen in a systematic way.
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| 10:27 | something late in the finalization phase, but earlier than mksquashfs seems reasonable.
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| 10:27 | <alkisg> Hmmm only 035-install-debs, 095-update-image and 099-mount-cdrom do unmount things
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| 10:29 | <alkisg> (btw my problem was that 6 Gb of .deb files were included in my nbd image because /var/cache/apt/archives was mounted ;))
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| 10:30 | <alkisg> Debian/090-clean-package-cache ==> umounting needs to be after that
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| 10:30 | <cliebow> jammcq!!!!!!
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| 10:32 | <vagrantc> alkisg: in 095-squashfs-image (debian's correlary to 095-update-image) it just unmounts /proc and doesn't bother to re-mount it.
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| 10:33 | <alkisg> vagrantc: well then on_exit would break, and any mounts after that wouldn't be unmounted, I guess (unless set +e is specified)
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| 10:33 | <mordocai> sbalneav: I asked this earlier, and was directed to you. It's for ldm-trunk. Do you happen to know how i could edit the sshutils.c to where it only gives my incorrect password message only if the password is wrong? I don't know enough about ssh to know what the code is actually looking for. I think it's looking for the number of ':' in whatever ssh is sending them back? So, any idea if i can check for an "password incorrect" respon
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| 10:33 | <vagrantc> alkisg: well, it's never broken for me :)
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| 10:33 | <mordocai> ogra: So, for the readme fix, how would i make a branch and propose it? Never used launchpad before.
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| 10:33 | <alkisg> vagrantc: maybe set +e is in effect, then
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| 10:34 | vagrantc: but it doesn't look "clean" :)
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| 10:34 | <vagrantc> alkisg: sure. we could split out the directory unmounting into it's own plugin, make it safe to call twice.
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| 10:34 | s,plugin,function,
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| 10:34 | <alkisg> vagrantc: for minimal changes, we could put an 091-unmount-everything plugin
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| 10:34 | Right
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| 10:35 | <sbalneav> mordocai: You certainly could, the only problem is, that by searching for strings, you now lose any and all hope of localization.
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| 10:35 | <alkisg> Or, we could move the 090-clean-package-cache in debian, ubuntu and altlinux to 080, and make an 090-unmount-everything plugin
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| 10:35 | <jammcq> cliebow: hey buddy
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| 10:35 | <sbalneav> i.e. you're now trusting that the language is going to come back from ssh the same as what you're looking for.
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| 10:35 | <cliebow> nobody said hello..had to correct THAT!
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| 10:35 | <alkisg> vagrantc: the second needs a little more changes but is clearer - i.e. nothing is mounted after 090-finalization
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| 10:36 | <vagrantc> alkisg: why not just make 093-unmount-everything ?
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| 10:36 | <alkisg> I'm ok with that, no problem
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| 10:36 | <vagrantc> alkisg: just visually?
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| 10:36 | or move 090-clean-package-cache to 089
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| 10:36 | <alkisg> Yup, that's what I was trying to say
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| 10:37 | <vagrantc> minimal moving :)
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| 10:37 | <sbalneav> mordocai: in any event, the "expect" loops in sshutils.c would be where you would modify it.
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| 10:37 | <mordocai> sbalneav: Well, ogra told me that the way it was handled was going to be rewritten... so i'm just worrying about my particular situation. Or could i look for a specific return code? If so, then we could include it in the trunk. Basically, the problem is that when someone enters an incorrect password, it was saying "No response from server", which i could see confusing users. So yeah, i just changed the string for a quick fix. Any "
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| 10:38 | <vagrantc> alkisg: the 099-mount-cdrom would need to be fixed
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| 10:38 | <alkisg> vagrantc: isn't that on the server?
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| 10:38 | I.e. not relevant?
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| 10:39 | <vagrantc> ah, i guess so.
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| 10:39 | but i believe it is bind-mounted into the chroot somehow...
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| 10:39 | not immediately obvious how...
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| 10:39 | <sbalneav> mordocai: Well, I'm working on re-doing the entire authentication method, which will essentially either turn LDM into a proper PAM application, or, perhaps, eliminate ldm entirely (i.e. we could just use gdm/kdm/etc.)
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| 10:40 | <alkisg> vagrantc: via /dev or something?
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| 10:41 | <sbalneav> The code is written as it is, simply because we can't search for "password failed", because a person in china setting up a server's not going to get a "password failed" response, but rather a string of BIG5 or what-have-you characters.
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> alkisg: when 099-mount-cdrom is used, it's because the cdrom is being passed as a mirror using file:///
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| 10:41 | <sbalneav> so currently, we simply search for the token we're expoecting, and incorrect passwords are indistinguishable from disconnections.
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> alkisg: though if this properly handles chroot_mount stuff, it should take care of that
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| 10:42 | <sbalneav> If you'd like to enhance that for your specific environment, feel free.
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| 10:42 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: didn't it in theory pass on whatever text came through the pipe, though?
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| 10:42 | <sbalneav> Yes
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| 10:43 | "whatever text comes through the pipe" is localized
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| 10:43 | if we search for "password denied" we're searching for english, when the localized prompts coming back from ssh could be in urdu
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| 10:43 | <vagrantc> i don't usually see anything other than "no response from server" for wrong passwords...
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| 10:44 | <sbalneav> right
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| 10:44 | <alkisg> ssh does support LANG passing, but we'd need to fiddle with sshd_config :(
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| 10:44 | <sbalneav> because right now, we just know we DIDN'T see "LTSPROCKS"
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| 10:44 | so the login failed
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| 10:44 | alkisg: right, and fiddling with sshd_config's verboten :)
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| 10:44 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 10:44 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: and password expiry kicks in after LTSPROCKS ?
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| 10:45 | <alkisg> That security thing is really becoming a problem :D
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| 10:45 | <sbalneav> password expiry's before LTSPROCKS
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| 10:45 | it gives us :'s for prompts
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| 10:45 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: then how does it differentiate?
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| 10:45 | <sbalneav> and these are guarenteed to be there regardless of the language
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| 10:45 | <vagrantc> hmmm
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| 10:45 | <sbalneav> we can't
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| 10:46 | that's why we set password-attempts = 1
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| 10:46 | otherwise, a failed password attempt looks like a password change to ldm
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| 10:46 | <jammcq> sbalneav: what means LTSPROCKS ?
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| 10:46 | <sbalneav> since all it can rely on is the :
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| 10:46 | heh
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| 10:46 | We've gotten a lot of milage out of that.
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| 10:47 | <jammcq> indeed
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| 10:47 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so... when i log in using ssh directly, and i get a failed password, it spits out some text, but i never see that in ldm (and i swear i used to)...
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| 10:47 | though i can't recall if that used to be before that last major rewrite or not
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| 10:47 | <sbalneav> early versions did, because we DID parse some strings by trying to set LANG=C
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| 10:47 | <vagrantc> right
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| 10:48 | <sbalneav> But we dropped that since LANG=C kept leaking through no matter what we did
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| 10:48 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 10:48 | <sbalneav> and we had reliability problems with languages
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| 10:48 | <vagrantc> right. i understand that ...
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| 10:49 | the server's ssh is sending some feedback that ldm doesn't display on failed login attempts ...
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| 10:49 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 10:49 | <vagrantc> i *thought* it was supposed to display whatever ssh gave it?
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| 10:49 | rather than parsing it and whatnot
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| 10:50 | password expiry just dumps whatever ssh sends and ldm passes the text through, no?
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| 10:52 | <sbalneav> right
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| 10:52 | but because we've got password-attempts=1
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| 10:52 | <alkisg> An MS implementation of multiseat: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/multipoint/ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRll52eMEAQ
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| 10:53 | <sbalneav> if you fail, ssh just disconnects
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| 10:53 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ah!
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| 10:54 | without message?
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| 10:54 | ok...
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| 10:54 | i've been baffled by that for quite some time... thanks for taking the time to hash it out :)
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| 10:56 | and libpam-ssh/libnss-ssh will solve all our problems :)
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| 10:58 | <cliebow> alkisg, intersting..
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| 10:59 | <alkisg> cliebow: what I hope for is for microsoft to make the market interested in multiseat, so that the hardware comes cheaper in a few years ;)
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| 11:01 | <vagrantc> stgraber: did you get a look at the diff in the french translation for ltsp with the one submitted by jean-baka ?
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| 11:01 | <cliebow> yes ..prob it will end up proprietary..
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| 11:01 | <vagrantc> stgraber: being mostly clueless with french, i have no idea if it's worth applying or not.
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| 11:02 | <mordocai> Is there anyway to do this with ltsp? I don't need it for my setup, but it sounds interesting. "With the Disconnect feature, students can save their working sessions without logging off, but free up the user station for others. If a student needs to leave a user station in the middle of a project, she simply disconnects. When she reconnects—at any station—later, her desktop appears just the way she left it. And teachers can use
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| 11:04 | <vagrantc> mordocai: the LDM_NOMAD features support that
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| 11:04 | although i didn't find a way to intentionally disconnect.
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| 11:05 | <mordocai> Yeah. I just need to make sure the adminitration doesn't find out about this multipoint... we get free microsoft software so they'll likely jump on it and say forget linux if they find out about it...
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> mordocai: don't worry until you see the prices for the hardware :)
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| 11:06 | When I'd looked at the ncomputing solutions, their 10-seat hardware was more expensive than 10 retail PCs
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| 11:07 | <CAN-o-SPAM> alkisg: interesting eh?
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| 11:08 | <alkisg> Well, until triple "keyboard/mouse/hdmi" cards start to emerge, I don't see that as a cheap solution
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| 11:08 | I do hope they'll get to this, though
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| 11:08 | <mordocai> Definitely interesting. Looks like it's an expensive more user friendly LTSP. That uses windows, of course. Though, i bet it's not near as configurable.
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| 11:08 | <alkisg> *and sound
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| 11:08 | <CAN-o-SPAM> LTSP
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| 11:09 | LTSP's New Slogan ... "Linux Terminal Servers, We've Been Doing Multipoint Since 1999"
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| 11:09 | <mordocai> Free Software's slogan: "<insert feature here>. We did it first"
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| 11:10 | <CAN-o-SPAM> don't forget </feature> ;)
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| 11:12 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Hey if your on twitter you might wanna follow @LinuxLTSP
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| 11:13 | i just tweeted about "We've been doing multipoint since 1999", some one just responded, "LTSP Rocks"
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| 11:13 | so if you retweet that, it would be cool for all of us! :)
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| 11:14 | <vagrantc> multipoint?
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| 11:14 | that different than multiseat?
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| 11:15 | <CAN-o-SPAM> vagrantc: not up to date on your microsoft news eh?
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> gosh, no!
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| 11:16 | <CAN-o-SPAM> i knew it!
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> caught!
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| 11:16 | <CAN-o-SPAM> yes microsoft has released some sort of "server" that allows you to connect multiple "computers"
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| 11:16 | aka plug in up to 10 monitors/keyboards/mice to the same machine
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| 11:17 | <vagrantc> wow, that's amazing!
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| 11:17 | * CAN-o-SPAM rolls his eyes | |
| 11:18 | <vagrantc> what will they think of next?
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| 11:18 | <CAN-o-SPAM> i'll be sure to keep you posted
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| 11:19 | <vagrantc> maybe they'll put tabs on a web browser or something
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| 11:19 | <CAN-o-SPAM> dont even bring up IE!
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| 11:19 | <vagrantc> you brought it up, not me!
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| 11:20 | <thunsucker> i love the commercials about win7 that say YOU CAN HAVE MULTIPLE DESKTOPS!!!!
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| 11:20 | lol
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| 11:20 | <CAN-o-SPAM> just had a customer who at first said he just wanted windows apps/desktop access in his LTSP setup conveniently notify me he needs IE too, that went over great around here
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| 11:20 | honestly the LTSP group should be thanking MSFT and this release, they are doing some fantastic marketing for us :)
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| 11:21 | <mordocai> So... i just noticed. I'm using fluxbox to adminitrate, because i'm using mandatory keys to lock down gnome. However, fluxbox shows up in the session menu, as does failsafe xterm. Is there a way to remove everything and just allow the default(gnome)? I have everything commented out except gnome in ldm-global-dmrc
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| 11:21 | wow, i just can't type administrate today...
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| 11:23 | Sorry, by session menu i mean the session dialog of the preferences menu in LDM.
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| 11:27 | <sbalneav> mordocai: No, sorry, we don't currently have a way to edit the list. It's a feature a lot of people would like
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| 11:29 | <mordocai> sbalneav: Okay.
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| 11:36 | <tthorb_> Is it possible to use
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| 11:36 | Sorry...
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| 11:37 | Is it an easy way to use assign a special kernel for a special client?
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| 11:37 | <sbalneav> tthorb_: yes, it's possible.
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| 11:38 | You'd have to do some plinking about in the pxelinux config file.
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> tthorb_: see in http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/PXELINUX the " /mybootdir/pxelinux.cfg/01-88-99-aa-bb-cc-dd " example
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| 11:42 | <tthorb_> Thanks!
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> (i.e. you create a file with the mac address of your client as the name)
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| 11:44 | <tthorb_> My first thought was dhcpd.conf and an extra chroot... this sounds very good!
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| 12:21 | <eyoop> hi, anyone could help me with an issue?
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| 12:22 | <vagrantc> !question
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| 12:22 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "question" :: if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> eyoop: see above
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| 12:24 | <eyoop> im using debian lenny and i have problems with the kernel boot
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| 12:24 | using pxe for a ligth client
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| 12:24 | it seems that load the kernel, but then
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| 12:25 | IP-config: eth0 hardware adress XXXXX mtu 1500 DHCP
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| 12:25 | and after 180 secs
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| 12:25 | "/init: .:line 174: cant open /tmp/net-eth0.conf
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| 12:25 | and then kernel panic
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> probably doesn't recognize your network card.
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| 12:26 | what network card is your thin client using?
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| 12:26 | <eyoop> its a 3com using pxe driver 3c905
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| 12:26 | and linux driver
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| 12:26 | 3c59x
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| 12:27 | i tried to rebuild initramfs including that module
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| 12:27 | but nothing works
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| 12:27 | <vagrantc> that should be included...
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| 12:27 | hmmm...
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| 12:28 | alkisg: got the patch to support pxelinux's BOOTIF in :)
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| 12:28 | alkisg: into debian's initramfs-tools, that is
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| 12:29 | <eyoop> BOOTIF??
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| 12:29 | <alkisg> vagrantc: wow, will they switch to udhcp too? :P
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| 12:30 | (nice news - but so "last year"... :D)
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| 12:30 | <eyoop> whats BOOTIF and where i shoud go, it dont sounds me ?
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| 12:31 | <alkisg> eyoop: do you have multiple NICs? if not, then BOOTIF doesn't interest you...
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| 12:31 | <eyoop> no, i only have one nic per computer
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| 12:32 | <alkisg> eyoop: try putting break=premount in pxelinux.cfg/default, and in the initramfs prompt, try to run ipconfig manually
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| 12:33 | <eyoop> okey thanks
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| 12:33 | <vagrantc> alkisg: doubt we'll see a switch to udhcp
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| 12:33 | <eyoop> ill do it
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| 12:34 | <alkisg> vagrantc: maks, the debian maintainer for klibc/ipconfig, is very nice, but unfortunately upstream doesn't care much about ipconfig... so it remains too broken for me..
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> alkisg: sure
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| 12:39 | <eyoop> alkisg: i have that line at the begining of the default file : DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp boot=nfs
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| 12:39 | and then i added bread=premount
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| 12:39 | <alkisg> break
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| 12:39 | <eyoop> sorry break=premount :P
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| 12:40 | but when booting said missing parameter in configuration file
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| 12:40 | <alkisg> Did it drop you to a shell prompt?
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| 12:40 | (also, do remove quiet when debugging initramfs problems...)
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| 12:41 | <eyoop> no, just like the other time
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| 12:41 | it stalls
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> How do your clients boot? pxe? gpxe? etherboot?
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| 12:42 | <eyoop> pxe
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| 12:43 | i dont know if that matter but : "iBFT has incorrect cheksum" appears
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| 12:43 | <vagrantc> eyoop: you'll need one whole line: DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp boot=nfs break=premount
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| 12:43 | <eyoop> before Loading, please wait... and after "Booting the kernel."
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| 12:44 | oh my god sorry
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| 12:44 | thanks , ill try
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| 12:52 | <eyoop> alkisg: when i configure the interface with ifconfig and add the apropiate route how i shoud exit initramfs prompt?
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| 12:53 | <vagrantc> ipconfig
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| 12:53 | <alkisg> eyoop: so it works if you manually configure it?
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| 12:53 | <eyoop> the shell have accepted the commands
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| 12:53 | <vagrantc> eyoop: what's your dhcp server setup? do you have multiple dhcp servers on the network? i.e. a router and your ltsp server?
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| 12:54 | <eyoop> i have disabled router dhcp server
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| 12:54 | and i only have a dhcp server on the ltsp server
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| 12:54 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 12:55 | eyoop: so, what commands did you type?
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| 12:55 | <eyoop> ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.20 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255
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| 12:55 | route add default gw 192.168.1.1
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| 12:56 | something wrong?
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| 12:56 | or missing?
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| 12:56 | <vagrantc> "ipconfig"
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| 12:56 | is what initramfs-tools uses
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| 12:56 | but if you can get it working manually, that gives some information
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| 12:56 | <alkisg> eyoop: try ipconfig eth0
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| 12:57 | That will also tell you about your dhcp setup
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| 12:57 | <eyoop> ipconfig eth0 stalls
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| 12:57 | like other times
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| 12:58 | <alkisg> If it can't locate any dhcp servers, it'll timeout after a while
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| 12:59 | <eyoop> yes after 180 exactly
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| 12:59 | <alkisg> So, are you sure there's a dhcp server available?
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| 12:59 | <eyoop> and then the output is: "/init :line 174 : Cant open /tmp/net-eth0.conf"
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| 13:00 | <alkisg> What init? didn't you run that manually?
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| 13:00 | <vagrantc> eyoop: do you have any other hardware to test with?
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| 13:00 | <alkisg> Did you exit the shell?
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| 13:00 | <eyoop> no
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| 13:00 | im waiting for the new message...
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| 13:03 | <alkisg> eyoop: is your dhcp server running?
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| 13:03 | invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server status
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| 13:04 | <eyoop> yes after 180 exactlyStatus of DHCP server: dhcpd3 is running.
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| 13:04 | sorry
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| 13:04 | <vagrantc> if it downloads pxelinux ... there's got to be a dhcp server
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| 13:04 | <eyoop> yes is running
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| 13:05 | thats is what i think... it download the pxelinux.0
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| 13:05 | archive
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| 13:06 | the ipconfig continue waiting...
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| 13:06 | <vagrantc> eyoop: do you have different hardware to test with?
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| 13:07 | <eyoop> sorry no, i got the output
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| 13:07 | of the ipconfig,
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| 13:08 | "eth0: transmit timed out, tx_status 00 status e601"
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| 13:08 | diagnostics:net 0cfa media 8880 dma ....
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| 13:09 | eth0: Interrupt posted but not deliverd -- IRQ blocked by another devide?
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| 13:09 | <eyoop> and more... then lots of colums of numbers
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| 13:10 | i know that the nic is not broken, because from the HD i can boot and connect to the internet for example
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| 13:12 | <vagrantc> it's very strange.
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| 13:13 | you can also obviously download the kernel and initramfs ... so it's actually doing fairly intensive use
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| 13:14 | <eyoop> yes
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| 13:14 | it is not posible to configure the interface with ifconfig?
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| 13:14 | instead of ipconfig...
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| 13:14 | to a dirty way of solving my problem?
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| 13:15 | <vagrantc> you'll also have to specify other information via dhcp
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| 13:15 | though i guess you could do it on the boot prompt
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| 13:16 | <alkisg> eyoop: well, are you willing to do all that manually on each boot?!
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| 13:16 | <vagrantc> i.e. nfsroot=ip.of.server:/opt/ltsp/i386
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| 13:16 | eyoop: how many thin clients do you have?
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| 13:17 | <eyoop> only one, thats the first time i configure an ltsp server-client
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| 13:17 | its an old pc
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> eyoop: open pxelinux.cfg/default again
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| 13:18 | on a new line at the end of the file, put:
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| 13:18 | IPAPPEND 3
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| 13:18 | then reboot the client
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| 13:18 | <vagrantc> ah yes!
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> Sorry I'm preparing for a trip - I should have thought of that earlier, considering that I *always* use it ;)
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| 13:19 | <vagrantc> well, it's hard to remember things you always do :)
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| 13:19 | <eyoop> okey thanks i remove break=remount
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| 13:20 | break=premount*
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| 13:20 | ?
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 13:20 | you can always add it back in if needed
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| 13:20 | <eyoop> ok, ill try
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| 13:21 | <vagrantc> what "IPAPPEND 3" does is it grabs the dhcp response it gets during pxe and passes it on the boot prompt so that the initramfs doesn't have to make it's own dhcp request. at least in theory.
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| 13:22 | <mordocai> Okay, so i already asked if I could remove the session list from LDM. Is there anyway to just remove the preferences dialog completely? And, if so, would i still be able to restart the client some way?
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| 13:23 | <eyoop> vagrantc: Its "IPAPPEND 3" or "IPAPPEND=3"??
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> without the equal
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| 13:24 | <vagrantc> eyoop: IPAPPEND 3
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| 13:27 | <eyoop> vagrantc: it does not fix the problem...
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| 13:28 | it could be something relate to the driver... 3c59x
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| 13:28 | ??
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| 13:29 | <vagrantc> seems unlikely... that's been around for ages
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| 13:33 | <mordocai> Okay, i know i think i saw this somewhere but i don't remember where... where can set up gnome/x to log the user out after a certain amount of time of inactivity?
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| 13:33 | <mordocai> s/where can set/where can i set/
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| 13:34 | <AndyGraybeal> can i connect to LTSP w/o PXE booting? can i use some type of client, like rdesktop or somethjing?
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| 13:35 | <CAN-o-SPAM> vnc
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> AndyGraybeal: that's not really LTSP, just connecting to the linux server.
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| 13:35 | <AndyGraybeal> thank you CAN-o-SPAM can you give me an example of the command pls?
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| 13:35 | vagrantc: ah okay - - i guess i am still confgused about all this.
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| 13:36 | <vagrantc> AndyGraybeal: LTSP is the network booting bits, basically.
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| 13:36 | <CAN-o-SPAM> AndyGraybeal: what are you looking to accomplish/
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| 13:36 | <AndyGraybeal> vagrantc: okay
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| 13:36 | * alkisg uses https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX | |
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| 13:37 | <AndyGraybeal> CAN-o-SPAM: i gues i was thinking about how awesome it is to be 'on the server' in an X session, and using the apps on the server... i was wondering if there is a way to accomplish the same thing just from a regular client (not pxe boot) .... but now i'm thinking... it's X forwarding? or install VNC server? or something i'm not really sure.
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| 13:37 | alkisg: i'm gonna look at freenx right now, thank you
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| 13:38 | <eyoop> vagrantc: anymore ideas about the problem? What is the differences between IPAPPEND 1 and 3?
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| 13:38 | <CAN-o-SPAM> AndryGraybeal: multiple ways to accomplish your goals. NX technology is a good opportunity, which could be combined with LTSP
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| 13:38 | <AndyGraybeal> alkisg: this look exactly like what i was intending!
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| 13:38 | <CAN-o-SPAM> there is also neatx
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| 13:38 | <AndyGraybeal> CAN-o-SPAM: wonderful, thank you for helping me.. this is amazing.
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| 13:38 | <CAN-o-SPAM> from google
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| 13:39 | <AndyGraybeal> CAN-o-SPAM: awesome thank you - wha do you guys prefer neatx or freenx? i'm gonna look into freenx now
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| 13:39 | <CAN-o-SPAM> AndyGraybeal: what is LTSP doing for you? :)
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| 13:39 | i believe the freenx is a "safer" choice
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| 13:39 | but thats all relative :)
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| 13:39 | <eyoop> vagrantc: To allow the option IPAPPEND 1 the kernel option IP: kernel level autoconfiguration have to be activated (and its sub-option IP: DHCP support). They are in the menu Networking options of the kernel.
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| 13:40 | <AndyGraybeal> awesome, CAN-o-SPAM i'm boooting my computers with PXE!! it's awesome; CAN-o-SPAM i'm just learning right now - and i'm gonna eventually implement it in my offfice.
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| 13:40 | <eyoop> vagrantc: its possible that is not activated in the kernel that option?, i used ltsp-build-client
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| 13:41 | <CAN-o-SPAM> AndyGraybeal: one more quick question, what do your employees do?
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| 13:41 | just documents, and internet access, or more?
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| 13:42 | <vagrantc> eyoop: i don't have any idea what could be broken for you. everything sounds good.
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| 13:42 | eyoop: i would recommend trying different hardware, just to see if it works with that.
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| 13:42 | <AndyGraybeal> CAN-o-SPAM: most nearly 95% of them internet and word, excel... we got a small group that use gimp/photoshop etc
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| 13:42 | no body does like cad or stuff lke that
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| 13:42 | <eyoop> vagrantc: okey thanks for your time :)
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| 13:43 | <vagrantc> eyoop: maybe ipappend 3 isn't supported in lenny ... it's not documented.
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| 13:46 | <eyoop> vagrantc: how could i check if ipappend 3 is supported?? maybe recompiling the kernel?
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| 13:48 | exit
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| 13:48 | <vagrantc> eyoop: recompiling the kernel isn't going to help you.
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| 13:48 | eyoop: i need to work on other things right now
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| 13:50 | <eyoop> vagrantc: ok thanks for your help
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| 13:58 | <eyoop> vagrantc: i solved the problem just changing the nic to anocher pci slot
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| 13:58 | vagrantc: thanks for all :)
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| 14:02 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 14:02 | eyoop: glad you figured it out :)
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| 14:28 | <mordocai> In case anyone wants to know... i finally found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=956024, on which the last post shows how to get gnome to auto-logout. On fedora, i had to manually install xscreensaver before being able to follow his guide, though i'm sure if i knew where the binaries for the regular gnome screensavers were, then I could do without x screensaver.
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| 14:38 | <tthorb_> *still freezing...*
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| 14:38 | But not me... just many of my users...
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| 14:52 | <jammcq> woohooo, just got my new keyboard
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| 14:52 | <mordocai> what kind?
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| 14:53 | <jammcq> 'das keyboard'
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| 14:53 | nice clicky feel
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| 14:53 | although it's still really cold from being on the ups truck
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| 14:53 | <prpplague> jammcq: oh nice
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| 14:53 | <jammcq> my old keyboard was a crappy dell keyboard
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| 14:53 | <prpplague> jammcq: i've been wanting to get one for ages
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| 14:53 | <jammcq> that i've fought with for a couple years
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| 14:55 | <prpplague> jammcq: this is the one i was looking at - http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/customizer.html
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| 14:57 | <jammcq> yeah, I saw that in my search
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| 14:57 | when I landed on the das, I saw lots of favorable reviews, so I figured i'd give it a shot
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| 15:05 | <sbalneav> prpplague: I have one
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| 15:05 | I am using it right now.
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| 15:07 | <jammcq> sbalneav: you have the customizer?
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| 15:07 | <mordocai> I like the logitech wave keyboard. My only issue is I wish there was one just like it that was made for linux and had every special key working with linux, instead of just most of them. But i love the feel of it, and i can control volume and stuff... so.. meh.
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> It's easier to map keys with linux than with windows...
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| 15:11 | <mordocai> Very true. however, all the function keys on that keyboard aren't read by linux at all.
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| 15:12 | <sbalneav> jammcq: I do!
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| 15:12 | Clicky model M goodness
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| 15:13 | <jammcq> this Das keyboard has that too
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| 15:13 | it's gonna take some getting used to
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| 15:13 | <sbalneav> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M_keyboard
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| 15:13 | <jammcq> but the feel is awesome
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| 15:13 | yeah, I used to have an original model m
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| 15:13 | came with my IBM AT
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| 15:14 | <mordocai> Well, my boss just said to leave early today... so, i'll be back on monday. If anyone knows an answer to the following question, please e-mail me at mordocai@gmail.com. Thanks for all the help today! Okay, i was able to use the code and the rest of the info to set it properly. However, after logging in with a unconfigured user, i have to go to edit the location, then click okay with changing anything... after this the weather shows
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| 15:14 | <sbalneav> http://www.ryancramer.com/journal/entries/model-m-keyboard/
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| 15:15 | * prpplague grumbles about clients who are slow to pay their invoices | |
| 15:20 | <johnny> why do people think people on irc will email them answers to support questions..
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| 15:20 | yeah right..
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| 15:33 | <CAN-o-SPAM> jammcq: ping
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| 15:33 | <jammcq> CAN-o-SPAM: pong
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| 16:00 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ragnar? whos that!
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| 16:03 | <AndyGraybeal> i know thi is off topic, is freenx limited to only two users/two connections?
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> AndyGraybeal: no
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| 16:04 | <jammcq> I don't think so, but the Freely downloadable version of NX is limited to 2
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| 16:04 | laprag: hey!
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> The demo version of nx is. Freenx isn't.
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| 16:05 | <AndyGraybeal> k, thank you
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| 16:05 | confusing!
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| 16:32 | <laprag> jammcq: Hey Big Boss!
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| 16:32 | <jammcq> laprag: hey buddy
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| 16:33 | <laprag> Sorry I was a bit preoccupied, this Olympic thing is big for us :-)
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| 16:33 | You freezing there?
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| 16:34 | <jammcq> yeah, big for us too, but i'm not paying much attention to it
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| 16:34 | yeah, it's 27F today, which really isn't so bad
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| 16:34 | but I'm looking forward to some much warmer weather
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| 16:34 | <laprag> Me too!
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| 16:34 | <jammcq> laprag: don't forget about BTS-2010 !!!!
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| 16:35 | <laprag> hey,
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| 16:35 | I will be there!
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| 16:35 | Cannot have 25 year anniversary twice
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| 16:36 | November right? Got to plan ahead :-)
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| 16:36 | <jammcq> late october / early november
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| 16:36 | <laprag> Did you have a good weekend last year?
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| 16:36 | <jammcq> we haven't nailed it down yet
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| 16:36 | yep
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| 16:36 | had a blast
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| 16:37 | <laprag> Good to hear! Any lobsters?
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| 16:37 | And cigars?
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| 16:37 | <jammcq> yeah, I think ron had a few of the cigars
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| 16:38 | and we had more lobster than we should have
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| 16:38 | <jammcq> i'm officially saying "no lobster eating contest" this year
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| 16:39 | <laprag> Hey, you not taking any challenges?
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| 16:39 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hahahaha
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| 16:39 | <laprag> Age?
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| 16:39 | <jammcq> others can do it, but not me
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| 16:39 | <laprag> Chickeeeeeeen
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| 16:39 | <jammcq> i've had enough of that. I will of course have some lobster
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| 16:39 | just not to the point where I feel like puking
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| 16:40 | I was just too uncomfortable last time
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| 16:40 | <laprag> aw lets see
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| 16:40 | I'll remind you
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| 16:41 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hi laprag ... its Alex ... i will talk jim into the lobster contest again
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| 16:41 | how can BTS go on with out it?
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| 16:41 | <laprag> heh
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| 16:41 | Hey alex
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| 16:41 | <CAN-o-SPAM> RCC sure ran his mouth though and got a beating! hahaha
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| 16:41 | <jammcq> I figure if I eat less lobster, I can drink more beer
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| 16:41 | <laprag> good point
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| 16:42 | <jammcq> rcc failed miserably at the contest
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| 16:42 | I finished mine, and then had to finish his
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| 16:42 | <laprag> will fill in with some aquavit
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| 16:42 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hahaha
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| 16:43 | <laprag> i am sure the reason the world is going to pieces is we did not set it right
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| 16:43 | <laprag> so world peace depends on us
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| 16:43 | <CAN-o-SPAM> naturally
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| 16:43 | <laprag> just like it should
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| 16:44 | <tthorb> Still freezing... I wonder if it can be related to the i915 driver...
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| 16:44 | <jammcq> I've got to leave the keyboard for 15 minutes. I'll be back
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| 16:44 | <tthorb> Feb 26 15:16:02 ltsp186 kernel: [92640.324040] INFO: task i915/0:240 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
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| 16:44 | Feb 26 15:16:02 ltsp186 kernel: [92640.324049] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message.
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| 16:44 | From kern.log on client
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| 16:45 | <laprag> Hey CAN-o-SPAM say hey to yer dad, OK?
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| 16:45 | <vagrantc> that sounds familiar.
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| 16:46 | tthorb: saw that problem with nbd-proxy until the last commits before ltsp 5.2
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| 16:46 | <CAN-o-SPAM> laprag: you got it! hope everythings well, let's put some free software on those ships ok?
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| 16:47 | <laprag> heh, that would be a blast :-) Working on it!
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| 16:48 | <CAN-o-SPAM> nice
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| 16:48 | <laprag> CAN-o-SPAM: Cigars on me in Maine, no Cuban restrictions here
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| 16:48 | <CAN-o-SPAM> laprag :) very nice.
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| 16:48 | <tthorb> vagrantc: Interesting! Should try that!Any recommendations for upgrading ltsp on Karmic?
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| 16:49 | <laprag> sbalneav: around?
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> tthorb: well, not specifically that problem, but similar ones.
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| 16:50 | tthorb: but i don't think karmic even had nbd-proxy, as it was introduced recently...
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| 16:50 | <tthorb> Aaah - nbd-proxy - no - you're right.
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| 16:53 | <laprag> jammcq: Please don't forget, I'd love to be invited again
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| 16:54 | <tthorb> well ... the problem is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/429321
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| 16:55 | :(
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| 16:55 | What to do ... what to do...
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> ouch
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| 17:03 | <jammcq> i'm back
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| 17:03 | laprag: you are already invited
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| 17:05 | <vagrantc> invite me every year but it's on the wrong side of the continent :)
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| 17:18 | <jammcq> vagrantc: well... now you have plenty of notice :)
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| 17:40 | <laprag> jammcq: thanks
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| 17:48 | <tthorb> append ro initrd=initrd.img nosplash quiet i915.modeset=1
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| 17:49 | in pxelinux.cfg/default...
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| 17:49 | hope that does it!
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| 17:49 | good night!
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| 17:57 | <AndyGraybeal> so it looks like local apps is hard from some documentation online
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| 17:57 | also is it possible to mount a usb drive (like a jump/thumb/pen drive) on a thin client ?
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| 18:00 | <johnny> huh?
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| 18:00 | hard? no
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| 18:00 | <johnny> chroot into the ltsp root, apt-get install the application
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| 18:00 | rebuild the image
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| 18:00 | set a var or 2 in lts.conf
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| 18:00 | done
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| 18:00 | how is that hard?
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| 18:00 | AndyGraybeal, uhmm.. of course it is..
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| 18:01 | possible to use the usb drives
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| 18:01 | plug them in.. tha'ts it
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| 18:01 | as long as you don't have local devices turned off in your lts.conf
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| 18:03 | <AndyGraybeal> johnny: interesting
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| 18:03 | aah very interesting
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| 18:30 | <AndyGraybeal> okay, so help me out a little, the only thing in my lts.conf is [default] SSH_OVERRIDE_PORT=55555 .... i'm on ubuntu 8.10 ... i plug the usb stick in and nothing appears to happen.
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| 18:47 | <weenus> Hi I have a very sophisticated newbie question.
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| 18:52 | <weenus> my ltsp client does pxe-boot and gets an address from the dhcp server but the it appends its address to where the client is supposed to get it's address like so: "Loading 192.168.1.10:192.168.1.156:/opt/ltspi386/boot/pxlinux.0......" I was wondering any one could help me with the syntax on the dhcp server so that it would send the client over to the 192.168.1.156 to get the boot strap.
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| 18:55 | <weenus> here is that part of the dhcp.conf # ltsp-client
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| 18:55 | host ltsp-client {
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| 18:55 | option root-path "192.168.1.156:/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 18:55 | filename "192.168.1.156:/opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.0";
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| 18:55 | ##option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 18:55 | option x-display-manager 192.168.1.156;
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| 18:55 | option nis-servers 192.168.1.156;
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| 18:55 | option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.11;
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| 18:55 | option domain-name "mydomainname";
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| 18:55 | option routers 192.168.1.1;
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| 18:55 | allow client-updates;
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| 18:55 | hardware ethernet 08:00:27:82:30:98;
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| 18:55 | fixed-address 192.168.1.144;
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| 18:55 | }
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| 18:55 | }
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| 18:56 | <AndyGraybeal> i bet it's better to use a pastie for that
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| 18:57 | <weenus> YOu can widen the chat window and it doesn't look so bad.... How do I use pastie?
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| 18:58 | <AndyGraybeal> http://pastie.org/
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| 18:58 | <weenus> tak
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| 18:58 | <AndyGraybeal> paste stuff into that and then paste only url into channel
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| 18:59 | <vagrantc> !pastebot
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| 18:59 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 18:59 | <weenus> http://pastie.org/845129
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| 18:59 | <AndyGraybeal> ah, i had no idea the channel had it's own pastie
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| 18:59 | <vagrantc> weenus: you want the next-server option, instead of specifying it in filename
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| 19:00 | the pastebot used to even be so kind as to paste the URL for us...
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| 19:01 | <weenus> vagranctc, Let me try that..
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| 19:03 | I get unknown option next-server and dhcpd fails to start
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| 19:06 | vagrantc: I am having problems with the syntax
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| 19:11 | <rjune> Anybody here work at google?
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| 19:25 | <weenus> groovy man. that "next-server"was the ticket. I did a google search and found an example of how to put it in the dhcpd.conf
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| 19:28 | <vagrantc> should be an example installed with ltsp
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| 19:29 | <weenus> but I'm not using the box running ltsp as the dhcp server
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| 19:35 | Now I'm on to the next problem: Loading 192.168.1.156:/opt/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 .TFTP error 1 file not found. and I know that is the correct path.
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| 19:49 | <johnny> no
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| 19:49 | it isn't
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| 19:49 | the correct path is /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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| 19:51 | <weenus> I think I just noticed my errror the path was supposed to be /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.0
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| 19:53 | <vagrantc> no
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| 19:53 | trust johnny
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| 19:53 | <weenus> ok. I saw it the pxelinux.0 there too. ok. thanks
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| 19:56 | <vagrantc> i mean, you can reconfigure your tftp server to point wherever you want...
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| 19:57 | but the default configuration... which might be a good thing to try...
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| 20:02 | <weenus> I want to be able to talk to these computers from the other computers on my network.
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| 20:04 | I appreciate the help. It's Friday so I'm getting away from this for a while.
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