IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)


Channel log from 5 March 2013   (all times are UTC)

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03:14
<vagrantc>
the .po file updates on ltsp-trunk are starting to show just timestamp changes ... :(
03:15
i'm thinking we should set up a separate branch for translations...
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03:16
<warren>
why are timestamps saved in the files?
03:16
It makes no sense to checkin non-changes
03:17
<James_Epp>
Is this the proper channel for support?
03:19
<vagrantc>
James_Epp: ask away, someone will respond if they can
03:19
<James_Epp>
Do I have to add a user I made with 'adduser' in ubuntu server 12.10 to a group for it to work on ltsp?
03:19
<vagrantc>
James_Epp: no, but the user needs to be able to log in via ssh...
03:20
James_Epp: at least, not for login
03:20
<James_Epp>
how do I enable that for the user? assuming user name is 'guest'
03:20
<vagrantc>
James_Epp: you can't log in at all?
03:20
<James_Epp>
I can boot to the server fully to the GUI login page, but cannot go any further
03:21
<vagrantc>
James_Epp: on the server: grep guest /var/log/auth.log
03:21
<James_Epp>
I get loads of output
03:22
One line is 'accepted password for guest from 192.168.1.158 port 39332 ssh2
03:22
<vagrantc>
James_Epp: grep -E 'ssh.*guest' /var/log/auth.log
03:23
<James_Epp>
So I get this in a row:
03:23
Accepted password
03:23
pam_unix session opened for user guest
03:23
accepted password
03:23
<vagrantc>
James_Epp: sounds like X is failing for some reason.
03:23
<James_Epp>
sorry
03:23
it is server edition. Is that why?
03:23
<vagrantc>
James_Epp: look at /home/guest/.xsession-errors
03:23
James_Epp: you'll need to have some G
03:24
GUI desktops installed on the server
03:24
<James_Epp>
No such file.
03:24
<vagrantc>
James_Epp: is ldm-server installed?
03:24
<James_Epp>
k
03:24
no it is not
03:24
I would like the least bandwidth heavy and user friendly
03:24
Do you have any suggestions?
03:24
<vagrantc>
warren: yes, it seems silly to stash the X-Launchpad-* in the .po files...
03:26
<James_Epp>
vagrantc: I'm installing ldm-server now. Why I never thought of that I'll never know. Thanks.
03:26
<vagrantc>
James_Epp: LXDE might be a good fit ... not sure on Ubuntu
03:26
James_Epp: you'll also want to install ldm-server
03:28
James_Epp: since what LTSP does is essentially a server that serves up desktops, you need to have some sort of desktop software installed on the server
03:29
<James_Epp>
Good enough. Any suggestions for making the desktop quicker? I was once remoted in at an old server of mine and it was insanely slow. I switched to Ubuntu 12.10 server instead of desktop to test the difference in speed.
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03:47
<James_Epp>
vagrantc: "Failed to load sessoin "gnome" Must I reboot the server first?
03:54
<vagrantc>
James_Epp: it really would be easier to install the appropriate ubuntu-desktop and then install LTSP on top of that
03:56
<James_Epp>
I believe that is what made it slow in the first place however.
03:57
<vagrantc>
well, there's also xubuntu-desktop, lubuntu-desktop, etc.
03:57
<James_Epp>
True.
03:58
<vagrantc>
you'll really just have to experiment till you find something that works for you
03:59
i work on Debian, personally, but also do a little bit of ubuntu at work
03:59
<James_Epp>
Okay. Thanks for the advice!
04:00
<vagrantc>
we've been using something that's basically xubuntu with some minor changes, and it seems to perform alright
04:01
but straight XFCE or LXDE might work too... I personally use LXDE, but pretty much just open a terminal fullscreened and a webbrowser when needed
04:01
<James_Epp>
okay
04:10
so just installing another lightweight distro and running 'apt-get install ltsp-server' should work?
04:10
<vagrantc>
what do you mean by "another lightweight distro" ?
04:11
in general, it's the software that's resource-intensive, not the OS
04:11
<James_Epp>
Would a lightweight GUI help?
04:11
<vagrantc>
that's the bulk of the issue, yes.
04:11
although firefox, libreoffice ... those are just heavy all-around.
04:12
<James_Epp>
so if I installed 12.10, installed gnome2, and removed unity, would I see a large impact?
04:12
<vagrantc>
there is no gnome2 for ubuntu
04:12
<James_Epp>
sorry. I meant gnome-shell
04:12
<vagrantc>
gnome3 is just as crazy as unity
04:13
<James_Epp>
not in failsafe mode. Is there a way to force gnome to launch in failsafe over ltsp?
04:13* vagrantc waves the flag of dunno
04:14* James_Epp laughs
04:25
<sbalneav>
<shameless plug>If you're looking for the classic Gnome2 desktop, you might want to look at mate-desktop.org</shameless plug>
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09:57
<ncd209>
sorry to be a little bit ot here but I am just trying to find out what I need to run 5 thin clients on Windows 2012 ?
09:58
which exact version should I be using?
09:58
Microsoft Windows Server 2012 - 5 device CALs
09:58
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10:01
<ajith>
Hi
10:01
is any onethere to help me
10:02
<alkisg>
!ask
10:02
<ltsp>
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
10:05
<ncd209>
hm I think i might just not go with Windows Server 2012 :) seems like a royal ass ake as per usual with Microsoft
10:06
<ajith>
hello
10:06
<ncd209>
and its not like rdesktop can take advantage of its new codecs
10:06
<ajith>
I am havcing doubt
10:06
in ltsp cluster
10:06
can i have multiple load balancer in ltsp cluster
10:07
<alkisg>
ncd209: xfreerdp can
10:07
<ncd209>
ok!
10:07
<ajith>
wht???
10:07
please can anyone help me out
10:07
please
10:08
can i have multiple bootservrrs
10:08
and with load balancer
10:08
<alkisg>
ajith: not many people here use or support ltsp-cluster, so the best thing to do is to ask your question and wait for a couple of hours in case you receive an answer
10:08
If not try the mailing list; although recent mails there have not been answered either
10:09
<ajith>
okay I am unable to post
10:09
in ubunut forums
10:09
<ncd209>
alkisg, ok cool.. so what do i need for the windows side then, just the windows server 2012 sbs with 5 device CALs?
10:10
<alkisg>
ncd209: no idea, if you don't receive an answer here try also in #windows
10:10
<ajith>
okay...do u have any link where i can post
10:11
<alkisg>
ajith: try mailing the company that supports ltsp-cluster, I haven't seen any updates on -cluster for 2 years now
10:11
<ajith>
okay
10:13
<ncd209>
ok alkisg i have been authorised to upgrade our existing setup which is: ltsp + virtualized: windows xp pro terminal services which has worked very well tbh .. and money is not no object.. but I can do what i like more less so I want to upgrade ltsp in the process any advice on specially that.. I have going to install more ram and a ssd to our server as well
10:14
but its not strictly legit even though we have licences for windows xp professional out the wazzooo!
10:15
<alkisg>
ncd209: you can send a windows vm to the clients then, I believe
10:15
LTSP can easily support running windows VMs locally on the clients
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<ncd209>
ok
10:18
that sounds interesting
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10:18
<ncd209>
basically virtualize them there own whole windows 7/8 machines and serve it over ltsp
10:18
<alkisg>
We'll be presenting such an installation in a conference in some months... I might document it somewhere once it's ready
10:19
No, once machine is enough, the clients get a "copy" of it
10:19
Same disk; different snapshots over it
10:23
vbox even has a sysprep step if you want to insert your actual serial number on boot
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10:27
<ajith>
okay and thanku
10:27
for ur suggesion
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10:31
<ncd209>
alkisg, I am going to do a couple of experiments before i purchase any software seeing as we have vm to test with in the first place :)
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13:34
<Hyperbyte>
Hi Enslaver!
13:37
<James_Epp>
sbalneav: I might just use linuxmint then? :P
13:40* ogra_ wouldnt
13:40
<ogra_>
unless you dont care about security at all
13:40
or kernel updates ... or updates to X
13:40
(mint suppresses all that deliberately since updates break their hacks)
13:41
<James_Epp>
Never knew that before. I'll work out a way. This is mostly a project for my spare time anyway.
13:41
<ogra_>
there are several ways of getting mate on ubuntu or debian ... i would rather go that way
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<James_Epp>
point taken. ttyl
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15:41
<sbalneav>
Morning all.
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18:09
<ltspuser_12>
Hi all. I've been trying to install LTSP on a LinuxMint server (using Ubuntu chroot environment) and have hit a wall with tftp. DHCP works well and there is a chroot in /opt/ltsp/i386, but the client gets no kernel and dies looking for a system disk. I've found a pxelinux.0 image but it doesn't appear to be what the client can use. Isn't this kernel supposed to be build by the ltsp-build-client script? thanks.
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18:18
<alkisg>
!tftp
18:18
<ltsp>
tftp: Here's a page to help you troubleshoot TFTP problems in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
18:27
<ltspuser_12>
Thanks for that link!
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18:28
<junior_>
hi anyone ?
18:28
<alkisg>
!ask
18:28
<ltsp>
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
18:29
<junior_>
epoptes are disconnecting after some use. im using it with ubuntu 10.04 all clients are configured with a static ip
18:30
<alkisg>
Are you having networking problems?
18:30
E.g. could it be that the network is disconnected for a few seconds?
18:30
<junior_>
no my network is fine, all pcs are connected to internet too
18:31
<alkisg>
So you open the epoptes UI, and without doing anything else to stress the clients, they just disconnect? After how much time?
18:31
<junior_>
~10min
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18:32
<junior_>
i can open the gui execute a command and if i dont do anything they disconnect
18:32
<alkisg>
When they disconnect, do you still see the clients as green or blue or red monitors?
18:32
Or you lose them completely?
18:32
<junior_>
running a ping for ~30min and dont get any failure of the network
18:33
lose completely
18:33
<alkisg>
Are you using ltsp?
18:33
<junior_>
no fat clients
18:33
sorry they appear as red icons
18:33
<alkisg>
OK, standalone clients
18:33
Ah
18:33
So it's the user epoptes-client that fails
18:33
OK, try this:
18:34
On a client, open a gnome-terminal
18:34
And run: /usr/sbin/epoptes-client
18:34
Then wait until it fails
18:34
And paste the error message here
18:35
<junior_>
ok
18:35
<alkisg>
You can also check the errors in the user's /home/username/.xsession-errors, but it's more difficult to separate the epoptes-client messages there
18:35
So better do it via the gnome-terminal like I said
18:36
<junior_>
ok already started
18:38
<ltspuser_12>
I walked through that checklist and, to be sure, deleted /opt/ltsp/i386 and re-ran "ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --dist quantal". It did what I expected but ends with: E: Unable to locate package thin_client_env.
18:39
This has a different name in the Ubuntu world perhaps?
18:41
<vagrantc>
underscores are not allowed in debian package names...
18:42
so something weird happened
18:42
<ltspuser_12>
Just checked, the underscores *are* in the output.
18:43
Followed by: error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
18:43
<alkisg>
grep -r thin_client_env /usr/share/ltsp /etc/ltsp
18:46
<ltspuser_12>
FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOPS="thin_client_env"
18:47
I'm not allowed to post the entire string. That's the last half.
18:47
I'll repeat that command and paste the halves
18:47
<alkisg>
So it's because you wrote some bad settings in a user configuration file
18:48
<ltspuser_12>
I'll check /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf
18:48
<alkisg>
Right
18:48
You need something like "ubuntu-desktop" there, not "thin_client_env"
18:49
<ltspuser_12>
I think I have it. thin_client_env is a variable I should have replaced with, say, 'squeeze'. Dang, wetware problem!
18:50
<alkisg>
Whatever you put there, verify that you see it in `apt-cache show package`
18:50
So, apt-cache show squeeze => doesn't exit => you can't put squeeze there
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19:05
<junior_>
alkisg lose the connection
19:05
but no error
19:06
the last line was a command i executed
19:11
<alkisg>
junior_: what command?
19:12
Maybe the command's output is getting mixed up with the connection socket
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19:23
<junior_>
killall term firefox
19:24
if the program is inactive it drop the connection ?
19:33
<alkisg>
junior_: killall term?
19:34
No, the connection isn't dropped when inactive
19:34
Killall term kills all processes named "term"...
19:34
That's not what you want, is it?
19:36
<junior_>
is i need to close the firefox to open a new one
19:36
<alkisg>
killall firefox
19:36
Or killall firefox-bin, on some versions...
19:36
Not "term"
19:40
<junior_>
ok
19:41
so any clues ?
19:41
<alkisg>
Does it also crash when you don't run that command?
19:41
Try /usr/sbin/epoptes-client again
19:41
<junior_>
yes
19:42
<alkisg>
With no error output at all?
19:42
<junior_>
already
19:42
loses the connection after sometime but dont get nothing on display
19:42
<alkisg>
On the server, run `epoptes` from a terminal as well
19:42
So that you see the epoptes output too
19:43
<junior_>
done
19:43
<alkisg>
OK, the key is to get the output of the error, either in epoptes-client or in epoptes
19:44
<junior_>
ok soon it happens again
19:53
<alkisg>
It happened again? With no output in the terminal?
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<junior>
after i started the epoptes on the server terminal
20:04
no problem
20:04
yet
20:06
<alkisg>
OK, keep trying until you get an error. If that happens days later, either try to find me here again, or file a question in https://answers.launchpad.net/epoptes
20:08
<junior>
ok ty
20:12
Disconnect from 192.168.0.111:53588 Disconnect from 192.168.0.111:45061 Screenshot for client 192.168.0.111:45061 timed out. Requesting a new one...
20:12
get this
20:14
<alkisg>
Disconnect without error messages on the client suggests a clean exit
20:15
<junior>
the problem is neither i or the user stops the client
20:16
<alkisg>
Check dmesg and syslog on the client for "eth0 is down, eth0 is up" etc errors
20:29
<junior>
no errors =(
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20:53
<alkisg>
Does this happen to many clients, or just one/
20:53
?
20:53
If on many, check the server for such ethX disconnection errors...
20:57
<junior>
many clients at once
20:57
sometimes 1 ou 2
20:57
gota go now
20:57
will try again tomorrow ty
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