IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 5 March 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:14 | <vagrantc> the .po file updates on ltsp-trunk are starting to show just timestamp changes ... :(
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| 03:15 | i'm thinking we should set up a separate branch for translations...
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| 03:16 | <warren> why are timestamps saved in the files?
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| 03:16 | It makes no sense to checkin non-changes
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| 03:17 | <James_Epp> Is this the proper channel for support?
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| 03:19 | <vagrantc> James_Epp: ask away, someone will respond if they can
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| 03:19 | <James_Epp> Do I have to add a user I made with 'adduser' in ubuntu server 12.10 to a group for it to work on ltsp?
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| 03:19 | <vagrantc> James_Epp: no, but the user needs to be able to log in via ssh...
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| 03:20 | James_Epp: at least, not for login
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| 03:20 | <James_Epp> how do I enable that for the user? assuming user name is 'guest'
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| 03:20 | <vagrantc> James_Epp: you can't log in at all?
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| 03:20 | <James_Epp> I can boot to the server fully to the GUI login page, but cannot go any further
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| 03:21 | <vagrantc> James_Epp: on the server: grep guest /var/log/auth.log
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| 03:21 | <James_Epp> I get loads of output
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| 03:22 | One line is 'accepted password for guest from 192.168.1.158 port 39332 ssh2
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| 03:22 | <vagrantc> James_Epp: grep -E 'ssh.*guest' /var/log/auth.log
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| 03:23 | <James_Epp> So I get this in a row:
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| 03:23 | Accepted password
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| 03:23 | pam_unix session opened for user guest
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| 03:23 | accepted password
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| 03:23 | <vagrantc> James_Epp: sounds like X is failing for some reason.
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| 03:23 | <James_Epp> sorry
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| 03:23 | it is server edition. Is that why?
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| 03:23 | <vagrantc> James_Epp: look at /home/guest/.xsession-errors
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| 03:23 | James_Epp: you'll need to have some G
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| 03:24 | GUI desktops installed on the server
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| 03:24 | <James_Epp> No such file.
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| 03:24 | <vagrantc> James_Epp: is ldm-server installed?
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| 03:24 | <James_Epp> k
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| 03:24 | no it is not
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| 03:24 | I would like the least bandwidth heavy and user friendly
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| 03:24 | Do you have any suggestions?
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| 03:24 | <vagrantc> warren: yes, it seems silly to stash the X-Launchpad-* in the .po files...
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| 03:26 | <James_Epp> vagrantc: I'm installing ldm-server now. Why I never thought of that I'll never know. Thanks.
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| 03:26 | <vagrantc> James_Epp: LXDE might be a good fit ... not sure on Ubuntu
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| 03:26 | James_Epp: you'll also want to install ldm-server
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| 03:28 | James_Epp: since what LTSP does is essentially a server that serves up desktops, you need to have some sort of desktop software installed on the server
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| 03:29 | <James_Epp> Good enough. Any suggestions for making the desktop quicker? I was once remoted in at an old server of mine and it was insanely slow. I switched to Ubuntu 12.10 server instead of desktop to test the difference in speed.
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| 03:47 | <James_Epp> vagrantc: "Failed to load sessoin "gnome" Must I reboot the server first?
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| 03:54 | <vagrantc> James_Epp: it really would be easier to install the appropriate ubuntu-desktop and then install LTSP on top of that
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| 03:56 | <James_Epp> I believe that is what made it slow in the first place however.
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| 03:57 | <vagrantc> well, there's also xubuntu-desktop, lubuntu-desktop, etc.
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| 03:57 | <James_Epp> True.
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| 03:58 | <vagrantc> you'll really just have to experiment till you find something that works for you
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| 03:59 | i work on Debian, personally, but also do a little bit of ubuntu at work
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| 03:59 | <James_Epp> Okay. Thanks for the advice!
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| 04:00 | <vagrantc> we've been using something that's basically xubuntu with some minor changes, and it seems to perform alright
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| 04:01 | but straight XFCE or LXDE might work too... I personally use LXDE, but pretty much just open a terminal fullscreened and a webbrowser when needed
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| 04:01 | <James_Epp> okay
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| 04:10 | so just installing another lightweight distro and running 'apt-get install ltsp-server' should work?
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| 04:10 | <vagrantc> what do you mean by "another lightweight distro" ?
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| 04:11 | in general, it's the software that's resource-intensive, not the OS
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| 04:11 | <James_Epp> Would a lightweight GUI help?
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| 04:11 | <vagrantc> that's the bulk of the issue, yes.
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| 04:11 | although firefox, libreoffice ... those are just heavy all-around.
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| 04:12 | <James_Epp> so if I installed 12.10, installed gnome2, and removed unity, would I see a large impact?
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| 04:12 | <vagrantc> there is no gnome2 for ubuntu
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| 04:12 | <James_Epp> sorry. I meant gnome-shell
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| 04:12 | <vagrantc> gnome3 is just as crazy as unity
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| 04:13 | <James_Epp> not in failsafe mode. Is there a way to force gnome to launch in failsafe over ltsp?
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| 04:13 | * vagrantc waves the flag of dunno | |
| 04:14 | * James_Epp laughs | |
| 04:25 | <sbalneav> <shameless plug>If you're looking for the classic Gnome2 desktop, you might want to look at mate-desktop.org</shameless plug>
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| 09:57 | <ncd209> sorry to be a little bit ot here but I am just trying to find out what I need to run 5 thin clients on Windows 2012 ?
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| 09:58 | which exact version should I be using?
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| 09:58 | Microsoft Windows Server 2012 - 5 device CALs
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| 10:01 | <ajith> Hi
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| 10:01 | is any onethere to help me
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| 10:02 | <alkisg> !ask
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| 10:02 | <ltsp> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 10:05 | <ncd209> hm I think i might just not go with Windows Server 2012 :) seems like a royal ass ake as per usual with Microsoft
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| 10:06 | <ajith> hello
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| 10:06 | <ncd209> and its not like rdesktop can take advantage of its new codecs
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| 10:06 | <ajith> I am havcing doubt
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| 10:06 | in ltsp cluster
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| 10:06 | can i have multiple load balancer in ltsp cluster
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| 10:07 | <alkisg> ncd209: xfreerdp can
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| 10:07 | <ncd209> ok!
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| 10:07 | <ajith> wht???
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| 10:07 | please can anyone help me out
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| 10:07 | please
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| 10:08 | can i have multiple bootservrrs
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| 10:08 | and with load balancer
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| 10:08 | <alkisg> ajith: not many people here use or support ltsp-cluster, so the best thing to do is to ask your question and wait for a couple of hours in case you receive an answer
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| 10:08 | If not try the mailing list; although recent mails there have not been answered either
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| 10:09 | <ajith> okay I am unable to post
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| 10:09 | in ubunut forums
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| 10:09 | <ncd209> alkisg, ok cool.. so what do i need for the windows side then, just the windows server 2012 sbs with 5 device CALs?
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| 10:10 | <alkisg> ncd209: no idea, if you don't receive an answer here try also in #windows
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| 10:10 | <ajith> okay...do u have any link where i can post
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| 10:11 | <alkisg> ajith: try mailing the company that supports ltsp-cluster, I haven't seen any updates on -cluster for 2 years now
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| 10:11 | <ajith> okay
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| 10:13 | <ncd209> ok alkisg i have been authorised to upgrade our existing setup which is: ltsp + virtualized: windows xp pro terminal services which has worked very well tbh .. and money is not no object.. but I can do what i like more less so I want to upgrade ltsp in the process any advice on specially that.. I have going to install more ram and a ssd to our server as well
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| 10:14 | but its not strictly legit even though we have licences for windows xp professional out the wazzooo!
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| 10:15 | <alkisg> ncd209: you can send a windows vm to the clients then, I believe
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| 10:15 | LTSP can easily support running windows VMs locally on the clients
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| 10:16 | <ncd209> ok
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| 10:18 | that sounds interesting
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| 10:18 | <ncd209> basically virtualize them there own whole windows 7/8 machines and serve it over ltsp
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> We'll be presenting such an installation in a conference in some months... I might document it somewhere once it's ready
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| 10:19 | No, once machine is enough, the clients get a "copy" of it
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| 10:19 | Same disk; different snapshots over it
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| 10:23 | vbox even has a sysprep step if you want to insert your actual serial number on boot
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| 10:27 | <ajith> okay and thanku
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| 10:27 | for ur suggesion
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| 10:31 | <ncd209> alkisg, I am going to do a couple of experiments before i purchase any software seeing as we have vm to test with in the first place :)
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| 13:34 | <Hyperbyte> Hi Enslaver!
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| 13:37 | <James_Epp> sbalneav: I might just use linuxmint then? :P
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| 13:40 | * ogra_ wouldnt | |
| 13:40 | <ogra_> unless you dont care about security at all
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| 13:40 | or kernel updates ... or updates to X
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| 13:40 | (mint suppresses all that deliberately since updates break their hacks)
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| 13:41 | <James_Epp> Never knew that before. I'll work out a way. This is mostly a project for my spare time anyway.
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| 13:41 | <ogra_> there are several ways of getting mate on ubuntu or debian ... i would rather go that way
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| 13:41 | <James_Epp> point taken. ttyl
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| 15:41 | <sbalneav> Morning all.
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| 18:09 | <ltspuser_12> Hi all. I've been trying to install LTSP on a LinuxMint server (using Ubuntu chroot environment) and have hit a wall with tftp. DHCP works well and there is a chroot in /opt/ltsp/i386, but the client gets no kernel and dies looking for a system disk. I've found a pxelinux.0 image but it doesn't appear to be what the client can use. Isn't this kernel supposed to be build by the ltsp-build-client script? thanks.
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| 18:18 | <alkisg> !tftp
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| 18:18 | <ltsp> tftp: Here's a page to help you troubleshoot TFTP problems in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
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| 18:27 | <ltspuser_12> Thanks for that link!
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| 18:28 | <junior_> hi anyone ?
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| 18:28 | <alkisg> !ask
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| 18:28 | <ltsp> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 18:29 | <junior_> epoptes are disconnecting after some use. im using it with ubuntu 10.04 all clients are configured with a static ip
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| 18:30 | <alkisg> Are you having networking problems?
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| 18:30 | E.g. could it be that the network is disconnected for a few seconds?
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| 18:30 | <junior_> no my network is fine, all pcs are connected to internet too
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| 18:31 | <alkisg> So you open the epoptes UI, and without doing anything else to stress the clients, they just disconnect? After how much time?
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| 18:31 | <junior_> ~10min
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| 18:32 | <junior_> i can open the gui execute a command and if i dont do anything they disconnect
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| 18:32 | <alkisg> When they disconnect, do you still see the clients as green or blue or red monitors?
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| 18:32 | Or you lose them completely?
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| 18:32 | <junior_> running a ping for ~30min and dont get any failure of the network
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| 18:33 | lose completely
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| 18:33 | <alkisg> Are you using ltsp?
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| 18:33 | <junior_> no fat clients
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| 18:33 | sorry they appear as red icons
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| 18:33 | <alkisg> OK, standalone clients
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| 18:33 | Ah
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| 18:33 | So it's the user epoptes-client that fails
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| 18:33 | OK, try this:
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| 18:34 | On a client, open a gnome-terminal
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| 18:34 | And run: /usr/sbin/epoptes-client
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| 18:34 | Then wait until it fails
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| 18:34 | And paste the error message here
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| 18:35 | <junior_> ok
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| 18:35 | <alkisg> You can also check the errors in the user's /home/username/.xsession-errors, but it's more difficult to separate the epoptes-client messages there
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| 18:35 | So better do it via the gnome-terminal like I said
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| 18:36 | <junior_> ok already started
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| 18:38 | <ltspuser_12> I walked through that checklist and, to be sure, deleted /opt/ltsp/i386 and re-ran "ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --dist quantal". It did what I expected but ends with: E: Unable to locate package thin_client_env.
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| 18:39 | This has a different name in the Ubuntu world perhaps?
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| 18:41 | <vagrantc> underscores are not allowed in debian package names...
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| 18:42 | so something weird happened
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| 18:42 | <ltspuser_12> Just checked, the underscores *are* in the output.
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| 18:43 | Followed by: error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 18:43 | <alkisg> grep -r thin_client_env /usr/share/ltsp /etc/ltsp
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| 18:46 | <ltspuser_12> FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOPS="thin_client_env"
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| 18:47 | I'm not allowed to post the entire string. That's the last half.
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| 18:47 | I'll repeat that command and paste the halves
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| 18:47 | <alkisg> So it's because you wrote some bad settings in a user configuration file
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| 18:48 | <ltspuser_12> I'll check /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf
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| 18:48 | <alkisg> Right
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| 18:48 | You need something like "ubuntu-desktop" there, not "thin_client_env"
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| 18:49 | <ltspuser_12> I think I have it. thin_client_env is a variable I should have replaced with, say, 'squeeze'. Dang, wetware problem!
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| 18:50 | <alkisg> Whatever you put there, verify that you see it in `apt-cache show package`
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| 18:50 | So, apt-cache show squeeze => doesn't exit => you can't put squeeze there
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| 19:05 | <junior_> alkisg lose the connection
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| 19:05 | but no error
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| 19:06 | the last line was a command i executed
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| 19:11 | <alkisg> junior_: what command?
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| 19:12 | Maybe the command's output is getting mixed up with the connection socket
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| 19:23 | <junior_> killall term firefox
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| 19:24 | if the program is inactive it drop the connection ?
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| 19:33 | <alkisg> junior_: killall term?
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| 19:34 | No, the connection isn't dropped when inactive
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| 19:34 | Killall term kills all processes named "term"...
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| 19:34 | That's not what you want, is it?
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| 19:36 | <junior_> is i need to close the firefox to open a new one
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| 19:36 | <alkisg> killall firefox
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| 19:36 | Or killall firefox-bin, on some versions...
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| 19:36 | Not "term"
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| 19:40 | <junior_> ok
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| 19:41 | so any clues ?
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| 19:41 | <alkisg> Does it also crash when you don't run that command?
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| 19:41 | Try /usr/sbin/epoptes-client again
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| 19:41 | <junior_> yes
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| 19:42 | <alkisg> With no error output at all?
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| 19:42 | <junior_> already
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| 19:42 | loses the connection after sometime but dont get nothing on display
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| 19:42 | <alkisg> On the server, run `epoptes` from a terminal as well
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| 19:42 | So that you see the epoptes output too
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| 19:43 | <junior_> done
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| 19:43 | <alkisg> OK, the key is to get the output of the error, either in epoptes-client or in epoptes
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| 19:44 | <junior_> ok soon it happens again
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| 19:53 | <alkisg> It happened again? With no output in the terminal?
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| 20:04 | <junior> after i started the epoptes on the server terminal
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| 20:04 | no problem
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| 20:04 | yet
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| 20:06 | <alkisg> OK, keep trying until you get an error. If that happens days later, either try to find me here again, or file a question in https://answers.launchpad.net/epoptes
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| 20:08 | <junior> ok ty
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| 20:12 | Disconnect from 192.168.0.111:53588 Disconnect from 192.168.0.111:45061 Screenshot for client 192.168.0.111:45061 timed out. Requesting a new one...
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| 20:12 | get this
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| 20:14 | <alkisg> Disconnect without error messages on the client suggests a clean exit
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| 20:15 | <junior> the problem is neither i or the user stops the client
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| 20:16 | <alkisg> Check dmesg and syslog on the client for "eth0 is down, eth0 is up" etc errors
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| 20:29 | <junior> no errors =(
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| 20:53 | <alkisg> Does this happen to many clients, or just one/
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| 20:53 | ?
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| 20:53 | If on many, check the server for such ethX disconnection errors...
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| 20:57 | <junior> many clients at once
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| 20:57 | sometimes 1 ou 2
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| 20:57 | gota go now
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| 20:57 | will try again tomorrow ty
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