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Channel log from 2 April 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:55 | <maginot> good morning.
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| 07:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning all
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| 07:19 | <maginot> what is spected to happen when setting LOCAL_APPS_MENU = True and LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEM = firefox ?
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| 07:59 | <gate_keeper_> hey guys
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| 07:59 | do u have any idea what can cause this:
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| 07:59 | http://pastebin.com/d1f921fb6
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| 08:00 | thx in advance
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| 08:07 | <stgraber> CAN-o-SPAM: Just updated my blog post, Diskless workstation is a bit more visible now
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| 08:17 | <jammcq> bom dia #ltsp
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| 08:17 | <stgraber> heya jammcq
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| 08:18 | jammcq: btw, I was wondering, do we have something planned for the next hackfest ? we discussed that a bit last time but I don't think we've something really organized at this point.
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| 08:38 | <maginot> okay, I have some results here to discuss about ltsp-localapps.
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| 08:38 | on 7.10 the user home folder were mounted using nfs ?
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| 08:48 | <jammcq> stgraber: the next planned event is in Brazil, in June. not much real planning has happend tho
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| 08:48 | and there will be another BTS in Main, prolly late october
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| 08:49 | and, I'm open to new ideas
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| 08:50 | <maginot> well, correct if Im wrong. On 8.10 its using sshfs (for what I notice) to mount the user home folder on client. But if you pkill the user from server and the user has any localapps running (like firefox) I think that the client connection with sshfs is disconnect in some wrong way that if the user reconnects (login again right after a pkill without reboot) no home dir is mounted on the client from server, this is way firefox is started reseted
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| 08:50 | <cyberorg> jammcq, put up a ideas wiki page, we can all start adding to it :)
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| 08:52 | <maginot> s/way/why/g
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| 09:00 | <maginot> so ... the client need to know that the server send a pkill and closed the connection with him, so it could again remount the home folder of the user
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| 09:06 | Gadi, did you remember the issue I was having printing from client using localapps?
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| 09:06 | <yggdrasill_> hello
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| 09:07 | <stgraber> jammcq: ok, when are we going to know more about the one in Brazil ? I'll be away during all of May so would have to discuss that with my boss soon :)
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| 09:07 | <Gadi> maginot: I strongly encourage you to add stgraber's ppa into the chroot and update your ltsp
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| 09:08 | I think we added better cleanup code for localapps since intrepid's release
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| 09:08 | <maginot> Gadi, no, thats the thing I was going to ask you... did you upgrade anything for ltsp-buildclient ?
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| 09:08 | because Im not having that problem again
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| 09:08 | the print from localapp worked out of the box
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> are you using stgraber's ppa?
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| 09:08 | <maginot> no no
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| 09:09 | <Gadi> maybe stgraber pushed an updated ltsp to the repositories?
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| 09:09 | <maginot> yeah, maybe...
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| 09:09 | I know that the printing problem is no more present
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| 09:09 | <Gadi> great!
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| 09:09 | <maginot> yeah
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| 09:09 | but
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| 09:09 | <Gadi> but, we resolved that one with cups-bsd
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| 09:10 | so, maybe there was simply a dependency change
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| 09:10 | <maginot> yeah
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| 09:10 | <ltsppbot> "yggdrasill" pasted "Futro Xorg.conf" (64 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/294
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| 09:10 | <Gadi> or a bug fix in cups
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| 09:10 | <maginot> I wrote above something about localapps and pkill, now I see that is not just a pkill problem
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| 09:11 | if you disconnect in the client but some localapp is open if you login again its not possible to mount the home folder in the client
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| 09:13 | <yggdrasill_> gadi, I modified my lts.conf as u suggested but the Futro still uses the LVTS
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| 09:13 | <Gadi> maginot: again, try upgrading the chroot's ltsp packages from stgraber's ppa and then update the image
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| 09:13 | <yggdrasill_> and the card sees the output as a laptop...
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| 09:13 | <Gadi> yggdrasill_: where did you save this file?
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| 09:13 | <maginot> Gadi, okay... I dont know for sure how to do that, its something that you can easily explain to me?
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> !stgraber-ppa
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| 09:14 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "stgraber-ppa" is https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> go there
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| 09:14 | choose intrepid
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| 09:14 | edit your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
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| 09:14 | to include the deb lines
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| 09:14 | <maginot> ah, okay
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| 09:14 | <yggdrasill_> in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf
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| 09:14 | <maginot> simple
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update
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| 09:15 | <Gadi> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=False apt-get upgrade
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| 09:15 | <maginot> Gadi, on 8.10 how the client mount the home folder from server ? in 7.10 it was using nfs right ?
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| 09:15 | <Gadi> in 7.10 it didnt
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| 09:15 | at all
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| 09:15 | that is only needed with local apps
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| 09:15 | and local apps didnt exist
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| 09:16 | <maginot> Hmm so is now (in 8.10) that it uses nfs ?
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| 09:16 | <Gadi> with 8.10 it is sshfs
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| 09:16 | <maginot> Hmm
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| 09:16 | <Gadi> no nfs anywhere in ubuntu ltsp
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| 09:16 | <maginot> how can I see all the connection ?
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| 09:16 | <Gadi> log into a shell on the client
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| 09:16 | and cat /proc/mounts
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| 09:17 | <maginot> Gadi, is this the same as running mount command alone?
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| 09:17 | <Gadi> mount will look in mtab
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| 09:17 | so, it will give you post-initramfs mounts only
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| 09:17 | /proc/mounts gives everything
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| 09:18 | depends how much of the gory details you want
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| 09:18 | :)
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| 09:18 | <maginot> ah right... so if I see something that is not present anymore but is still in /proc/mounts how I force a reload?
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| 09:18 | <Gadi> if it is sshfs, you use fusermount -uvz /path
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| 09:18 | (I think)
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| 09:18 | :)
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| 09:18 | <maginot> but this is for mounting things right
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| 09:18 | Im talking about forcing to see if the connection is still up
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| 09:18 | <Gadi> fusermount is to mount and unmount
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| 09:18 | the -u is for unmount
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| 09:19 | <maginot> understood
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| 09:19 | is this happening when the user disconnects ?
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| 09:19 | <Gadi> yes, but the cleanup was buggy at one point
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| 09:19 | we fixed it upstream
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| 09:19 | <maginot> hmmmm
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| 09:20 | <Gadi> but not sure it was fixed in intrepid's package
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| 09:20 | <maginot> ppa?
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| 09:20 | <Gadi> stgraber's ppa uses latest
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| 09:20 | <maginot> so must be fixed
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| 09:20 | <Gadi> !stgraber-ppa
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| 09:20 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "stgraber-ppa" is https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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| 09:20 | <Gadi> just use his ppa package
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| 09:20 | and it will magically work
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| 09:20 | <maginot> yeah, I will do it now
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| 09:20 | <cyberorg> fusermount -uzq /path
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| 09:20 | <Gadi> :)
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| 09:20 | cyberorg: ah, thx
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| 09:21 | <maginot> I just was wanting to understand how things work
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| 09:21 | <Gadi> getting old and precaffeinateed
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| 09:21 | yeah, the cleanup of the mount was not being executed
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| 09:21 | so, we moved it to the init phase
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| 09:21 | so when ldm reinits, it should clean it up
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| 09:22 | you can never count on a clean log out
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| 09:22 | :)
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| 09:22 | <maginot> and thats why the client is only backing to work like it should only after a full reboot
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> especially with people pkilling things
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| 09:22 | :P
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| 09:22 | <maginot> haha
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 09:22 | <maginot> but you see, is not just pkill, disconnect is problematic too
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> right
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| 09:22 | <CAN-o-SPAM> stgrabber: all ok?
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> I don't even know why we bother having code that executes on a clean log out
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| 09:22 | :P
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| 09:22 | <maginot> well, I will update from ppa to see if all get fixed
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| 09:23 | <CAN-o-SPAM> stgraber: ping
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| 09:23 | <maginot> Gadi, maybe if a user disconnects to give room for another is interesting a clean logout
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| 09:23 | * Gadi reflects on how CAN-o-SPAM makes that mistake very day | |
| 09:23 | <Gadi> :)
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| 09:24 | * CAN-o-SPAM notes he's installing typing master as we speak | |
| 09:24 | <Gadi> yggdrasill_: if you want to post your lts.conf we can heckle - I mean help
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| 09:25 | <stgraber> CAN-o-SPAM: pong
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| 09:30 | <CAN-o-SPAM> jammcq: ping
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| 09:35 | <maginot> Gadi, after upgrading from ppa (it only updated ldm ltsp-client-core and ltspfsd there is no need of doing ltsp-build-clients ?
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| 09:36 | <Gadi> right
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| 09:36 | just ltsp-update-image
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| 09:36 | <maginot> ok
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| 09:45 | <maginot> well, the disconnect problem is fixed. But the pkill is still troublesome, if a localapps if open a pkill will kill everything but the client dont go to the login screen (the application, firefox stays open with no windows border and stuff - they were killed) just a ctrl+backspace will ensure the user get back to the login screen... but the client will have to be rebooted after pkill
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| 09:47 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 09:48 | we should probably maintain a PID list on the client of processes executed via local apps and kill them all off when we clean up
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| 09:48 | good point
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| 09:49 | <maginot> I think that when the login screen shows up it should of someway remake any connection to sshfs (maybe closing any "open" connection)
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> no
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| 09:49 | we have to kill the processes
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| 09:49 | they have locks on the files
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| 09:49 | so the filesystem cannot be unmounted
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| 09:49 | <maginot> yeah, because firefox is using the home folder, so it cant be umounted
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| 09:49 | I think this is why this is happening
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| 09:50 | disconnect may be first killing all process to after that disconnect the client and so nothing is using the home folder
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| 10:02 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "Replace /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ltsp-localappsd" (75 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/295
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| 10:03 | "Gadi" pasted "Replace with /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/X99-zlocalapps-cleanup" (27 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/296
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| 10:03 | <Gadi> maginot: you can try replacing those two files
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| 10:03 | and see if it helps
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| 10:05 | <alkisg> I'm on a lenny machine, trying `aptitude install ltsp-server` for the first time on a debian system. Why does it want to install nbd-server AND nfs-kernel-server? Shouldn't nfs be enough?
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| 10:06 | (I've never used nfs, so I'm probably just missing some packages to meet the dependencies...)
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| 10:07 | <Gadi> alkisg: try: apt-get install --no-install-recommends ltsp-server
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| 10:07 | see if that gives the same result
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| 10:09 | <alkisg> Hmmm no, but it won't install nfs-kernel-server now either...
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| 10:11 | I'll try installing nfs-kernel-server first
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| 10:14 | Bah, the same. Anyway, nbd didn't harm anyone afaik :)
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| 10:39 | <yggdrasill_> sorry gadi: Urgent crash made me go away ...
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| 10:40 | tomorrow I will past the lts.conf so you could help me and I really appreciate your help
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| 10:40 | <jammcq> CAN-o-SPAM: pong
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| 11:16 | <NeonLicht> I am so happy today. This morning I've got three thin terminals (1GHz, 1GB RAM) with no mobile parts at all. We've replaced the PCs here in the office area by those little boxes. No noise, almost no heat (both of them just there, at the servers room), just silent and quite... what a great feeling.
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| 11:19 | <maginot> Gadi, when you say to replace you're saying to create, dont you ?
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> maginot
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| 11:19 | no
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| 11:19 | replace
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| 11:19 | <maginot> but I dont have those
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> neither?
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| 11:19 | <maginot> no
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| 11:20 | you are doing this for jaunty ?
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| 11:20 | <Gadi> ah, sorry
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| 11:20 | this should be: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/X99-zlocalapps-cleanup
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| 11:20 | and
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| 11:20 | <maginot> here is 8.10, intrepid ...
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| 11:20 | ok
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| 11:20 | <Gadi> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/ltsp-localappsd
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| 11:21 | <maginot> those I think I have
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| 11:21 | let me see
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| 11:44 | * Lns is glad SOMEONE finally spoke up about the floppy mounting youtube session issues | |
| 11:44 | <CAN-o-SPAM> amen
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| 11:45 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: any developments on your project?
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| 11:45 | <sabrex15> Hello, I'm looking for some help with Edubuntu/LTSP 8.10
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| 11:46 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: well i'm working on the RFP template right now, it's gonna be hard to pitch it since prices change so often though
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| 11:46 | !question
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| 11:46 | <ltspbot`> Lns: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 11:46 | <Lns> sabrex15: ^^^
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| 11:47 | CAN-o-SPAM: I appreciate your e-mail it helps a lot..just getting together all the other required hardware that they might need
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| 11:47 | <sabrex15> I have successfully installed and setup 8.10 with two NICs, but when I try to load more than one instance the server hangs and becomes unresponsive.
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| 11:47 | The server has 2gb RAM/160gb hd/GB Ethernet
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| 11:49 | <Lns> sabrex15: define instance
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| 11:49 | <sabrex15> I am testing out the server with 6 clients, when I try and boot more than one client the server hangs.
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| 11:50 | <Lns> sabrex15: are you running remote syslog?
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| 11:50 | <sabrex15> no im not
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| 11:50 | <Lns> sabrex15: how does the client perform?
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| 11:51 | <sabrex15> It begins to load the desktop after logging in, and sometimes it will finish, but most of the time it stalls after a few minutes.
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| 11:52 | <cyberorg> Lns, i am glad you feel the same about floppies :)
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| 11:53 | <Lns> cyberorg: ;)
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| 11:53 | sabrex15: have you examined server/client logs?
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| 11:53 | there has to be a clue in there somewhere
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| 11:53 | <sabrex15> Ive looked through syslog on the server, and I dont see anything that jumps out at me
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| 11:54 | <maginot> Gadi, I think you broke ltsp-localapps isn't opening anything
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| 11:54 | <Gadi> oops
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| 11:54 | 1 sec
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| 11:54 | <Lns> sabrex15: how bout on the client? The server doesn't experience this at all before you start booting clients?
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| 11:55 | <sabrex15> It does after the server has sent out an image.
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| 11:55 | i.e. running any command from a terminal takes quite some time.
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| 11:56 | <Lns> sabrex15: the only time i've seen this is when people enable remote syslog...
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| 11:56 | <sabrex15> Is there a check to see whether it is on?
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| 11:56 | <Lns> possibly a dns issue on your network?
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| 11:56 | <sabrex15> I haven't explicitly enabled it.
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| 11:56 | I'm just using IP addresses
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| 11:57 | I have the server/clients isolated from the real network (theyre on their own switch)
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| 11:57 | <Lns> sabrex15: on the server check out /etc/default/syslogd
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| 11:57 | <sabrex15> SYSLOGD=""
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| 11:57 | <Lns> sabrex15: on the clients can you get to google, etc?
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| 11:57 | sabrex15: ok
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| 11:58 | <sabrex15> I can, but only with one client
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| 11:58 | <Lns> i've also seen funky things happen in the past when routes aren't set up correctly, client/server can't get to dns, etc
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| 11:59 | <sabrex15> It occurs event when I disable the 2nd NIC, and only use the NIC connected to the switch
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| 11:59 | event = even
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| 11:59 | <Lns> sabrex15: does your lts.conf have a SERVER= or SYSLOG_SERVER= stanza?
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| 11:59 | <sabrex15> lts.conf is empty
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| 11:59 | <cyberorg> sabrex15, something really wrong with hardware is usually cause of hard lock, bad memory most of the time
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| 11:59 | <Lns> k
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| 12:00 | <sabrex15> okay, I can try changing the RAM out
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| 12:00 | <Lns> sabrex15: what is your dhcp dns server assignments to clients?
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| 12:00 | <sabrex15> There is not dhcp dns assignment to the clients... should there be in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
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| 12:01 | <Lns> sabrex15: how do your clients get dns if it's not in there?
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| 12:01 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: sounds good keep me posted, we'll make sure you get the deal :)
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| 12:01 | <sabrex15> via the dhcp server
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| 12:01 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: =) thanks, you guys seem to be the best deal for TCs around, including HP!
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| 12:02 | sabrex15: separate dhcp server?
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| 12:02 | <sabrex15> Well.. there is a separate DHCP server on the network, but it is for the external NIC. Am I not thinking about that correctly?
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| 12:03 | eth0 is set for 192.168.0 network, server ip is 192.168.0.254, and there are 30 spots for clients available.
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| 12:03 | <Lns> sabrex15: well my question was, "what is your dhcp dns server assignments to clients?"
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| 12:03 | <sabrex15> eth1 is set for dhcp to get to the internet
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| 12:03 | Im not sure, would that be in the dhcpd.conf?
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| 12:03 | <Lns> yes.
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| 12:04 | * Lns thinks you might not have set up /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf correctly | |
| 12:05 | <Lns> rauurgh!! I hate it when i remotely reboot a server and it doesn't come back up :(
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| 12:05 | <sabrex15> should the dns point to the ltsp server, or the real DNS server?
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| 12:05 | <Lns> sabrex15: probably your "real" dns server
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| 12:06 | <sabrex15> okay, shouldn't this work even without external internet though?
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| 12:06 | <ogra> Lns, thats not reachable from the clients and will slow them down
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| 12:08 | <ogra> only if you sset up remote syslogging (which you have to do manually by editing configs) you can run into probs
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| 12:10 | <Gadi> er, how would that affect booting?
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| 12:10 | <ogra> he said his server gets unusably slow
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| 12:10 | <Gadi> oh
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| 12:11 | * Gadi puts money on his two interfaces having the same subnet | |
| 12:11 | <ogra> if it has an nvidia card with bad driver in teh server that might cause such things for example
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| 12:11 | <sabrex15> Yes, and when that happens DHCP quits sending out IPs as well... just kind of stops working alltogether
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| 12:13 | <ogra> so check your server HW, check for things like trackerd and since Gadi is very often right also check your network setup ;)
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| 12:14 | <sabrex15> k, thanks for the great help. I really appreciate it
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> wow! didnt see that coming from ogra ;)
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| 12:16 | <ogra> haha
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| 12:20 | <maginot> Gadi, if using localapps pkill is something you can't do, but ctrl+backspace is enought, if you relogin your folder seens to be mounted alright
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| 13:16 | <NeonLicht> hey, vagrantc, today I've received some thin clients with which I've replaced some PCs acting as LTSP clients before. Since they are a bit more powerful than the PCs, I've been playing around with localapps. I've successfully run Iceweasel, Opera, xterm, gqview, and Xfe. Sound and auto-mounting USB sticks work great too, as does raw access to the sticks (which was my main reason to wanting locallapps in the first place).
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| 13:26 | <vagrantc> NeonLicht: great :)
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| 13:27 | <CAN-o-SPAM> vagrantc: i downloaded lessdisks and my thin clients won't boot! Please help!
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> CAN-o-SPAM: well, let's not confuse lessdisks with Lessdisks Terminal Server Project
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| 13:30 | <CAN-o-SPAM> vagrantc: thats what i'm using! i figured puppy linux was good so i installed it on there
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| 13:31 | i'm supposed to use a FTP server to boot the thin clients right?
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> CAN-o-SPAM: no, it boots via GPG
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| 13:31 | <ogra> CAN-o-SPAM, i hope you paid your fee
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| 13:32 | <CAN-o-SPAM> fee...? great am i going to get sued now?
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| 13:32 | <ogra> canonical decided to just trade the patent for "forwarding graphical content through encrypted connections" with Lessdisks Terminal Server Project to be allowed to use the trademark :)
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| 13:33 | <vagrantc> CAN-o-SPAM: maybe just hand over ltsp.org and we'll call it even.
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| 13:36 | * CAN-o-SPAM scratches his head | |
| 13:37 | <Lns> wow I didn't know gpg had network boot functionality
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| 13:38 | <vagrantc> well, if you really want it secure, you do gpg+https
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| 13:38 | <Lns> maybe i can port it to my c=64
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| 13:38 | vagrantc: hmm, that's a good idea. i think there's a howto somewhere for that
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| 13:38 | <ogra> you can base of my ZX81 port :)
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| 13:39 | *off
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| 13:39 | youtube is a but choppy on it at time though
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| 13:39 | <vagrantc> Lns: debian dropped support for m68k as all the developers decided to move to c64
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| 13:39 | <ogra> *times
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| 13:39 | <Lns> now if my double dragon arcade game only had an ethernet option for the jamma port...it uses z80 as well
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| 13:40 | vagrantc: good move imho. the c64 *does* have 64k ram...and if you can get ltsp inside of that, you can get it inside of anything.
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| 13:41 | <CAN-o-SPAM> vagrantc: how long did the lessdisks project last?
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| 13:41 | <vagrantc> CAN-o-SPAM: 2001 - 2005
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| 13:41 | <cliebow_> ltsp in 64k?
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| 13:41 | <vagrantc> and then limped along in debian's sarge release for all too long.
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| 13:41 | * Lns LOLs | |
| 13:42 | <Lns> you know what would be funny as hell is to actually GET c64 going via http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/c64/
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| 13:44 | <CAN-o-SPAM> vagrantc/ogra: either of you making it to brazil in june?
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| 13:45 | <vagrantc> CAN-o-SPAM: i wish
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| 13:45 | haven't been there since 2004
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| 13:45 | * ogra would love to but its unlikely | |
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| 13:46 | * CAN-o-SPAM thinks a summer hackfest is in order | |
| 13:48 | <nicros> Defcon?
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| 13:49 | <vagrantc> CAN-o-SPAM: i could probably get a few days at freegeek again
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| 13:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> defcon :)
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| 13:50 | <vagrantc> more "hacking on code" than "hacking into systems"
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| 13:50 | <CAN-o-SPAM> heh
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| 13:51 | you know this hackfest talk comes up once and awhile on here regarding different times ... but it usually doesn't materialize
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| 13:51 | * nicros went to defcon in his younger years. | |
| 13:51 | <vagrantc> i think warren also wanted to try hosting an event in boston
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| 13:51 | <CAN-o-SPAM> maybe we should a) send out an ltsp-discuss mail and get the discussion going or b) put something on the wiki or c) a+b=c
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| 13:51 | * vagrantc made one materialize | |
| 13:51 | <jammcq> CAN-o-SPAM: there's been plenty of times that hackfest talk does result in a real event
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| 13:51 | <vagrantc> CAN-o-SPAM: ah, wider than just the developers
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| 13:52 | <jammcq> it's just much harder for people to travel these days
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| 13:52 | <CAN-o-SPAM> jammcq: dow's up at 8000 ... maybe it will start improving :)
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| 13:52 | <ogra> time is the issue on my side
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| 13:52 | * CAN-o-SPAM hopes | |
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| 13:52 | <nicros> i can host in SLC
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| 13:52 | <jammcq> SLC ?
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| 13:53 | <nicros> Salt Lake City, Utah
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| 13:53 | <jammcq> ah. never been there, but would enjoy going some time
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| 13:54 | <CAN-o-SPAM> same here
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| 13:55 | well, we could start the discussion & keep it going on a mailing list ... ltsp-discuss or ltsp-developer more appropriate?
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| 13:56 | <vagrantc> depends on if we want to contact existing developers, or cast the net wider
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| 13:57 | <CAN-o-SPAM> and vagrantc's opinion would be ...
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc> not sure, really.
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| 14:00 | <cliebow_> thta would be like mid January right nicros?
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| 14:01 | <nicros> really good if you like the cold.
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| 14:01 | <cliebow_> i was trying to get away from it 8~)
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| 14:02 | how about Jamaica??
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| 14:02 | <nicros> It's April and i have 12" in my driveway.
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| 14:02 | <cliebow_> hmmm..not so hot then
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| 14:02 | <CAN-o-SPAM> nicros: how's the lobster? (this is important)
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| 14:02 | <cliebow_> heh
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| 14:02 | <nicros> terrible
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| 14:02 | <cliebow_> igiuana?
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| 14:04 | nicros:can you put on a churrascaria?
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| 14:04 | got meat?
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| 14:05 | <nicros> we've got Tucanos http://www.tucanos.com
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| 14:05 | i'm sure they'll cater.
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| 14:07 | <cliebow_> hmm..that looks promising..
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| 14:15 | <CAN-o-SPAM> if someone could check their ltsp-developer mailing list to see if my e-mail went through, that would be appreciated.
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| 14:24 | i dont see it ... not sure why?
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| 14:29 | <alkisg> CAN-o-SPAM: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=ltsp-developer
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| 14:30 | I'm in the list, didn't see anything, maybe you sent from a non-registered email address?
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| 14:30 | <CAN-o-SPAM> wow, just went through
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| 14:30 | that took a bit.
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| 14:31 | <alkisg> Ah, right, *just* went through :)
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| 14:33 | <CAN-o-SPAM> its on the sourceforge site at 19:29, i sent at about 19:24, and its still not in my mail client
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| 14:34 | pipes must be clogged
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| 14:34 | * CAN-o-SPAM grabs the draino | |
| 14:35 | <alkisg> That did it, got it in my evolution ;)
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| 14:54 | <maginot> ogra, you know, I always thought you were bald ;P
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| 14:55 | <ogra> heh
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| 14:56 | <cliebow_> heh..that was me
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| 14:57 | <maginot> haha
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> yeah, ogra, me too
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| 14:57 | :)
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| 14:58 | <maginot> I've found some pics of ogra and stgraber
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| 14:58 | <ogra> ah
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| 14:58 | <maginot> :x
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| 14:59 | <ogra> i guess there are a bunch of me on the serveral UDS galleries
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| 14:59 | <maginot> well, there are some like "Mr Edubuntu Oliver Grawert"
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| 15:04 | <ogra> lol, Gadi, you are someone :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/sfllaw/292708864/
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| 15:05 | <maginot> =)
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| 15:05 | what two someone is gadi?
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> yeah, which of the two someones?
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| 15:06 | <ogra> the first someone, the other is david trask
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| 15:06 | <CAN-o-SPAM> trask looks like hes going to be on tough man
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| 15:06 | <ogra> hm, somehow the second someone is a merge of eharrison and dtrask :)
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| 15:06 | * ogra is on a conf call now ... | |
| 15:09 | <maginot> well, leaving now, cya!
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| 17:32 | <mib_mwgu4m6b> hi all
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| 17:33 | why in the thin client can i see the server filesystem ?
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| 17:33 | <vagrantc> mib_mwgu4m6b: because you're logged into the server, not the thin client.
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| 17:34 | which is normal.
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| 17:34 | <mib_mwgu4m6b> i added an user in the server... was i wrong ?
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| 17:34 | <vagrantc> no
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| 17:34 | that's the way to do it.
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| 17:34 | everything pretty much is on the server.
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| 17:34 | <mib_mwgu4m6b> ok...
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| 17:35 | <vagrantc> installing applications, adding users, all happens on the server
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| 17:35 | <mib_mwgu4m6b> if i install an application in the chrooted space (vnc, amsn) i'm not able to use in the client ...
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| 17:36 | is it normal ?
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| 17:36 | <vagrantc> yes.
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| 17:36 | install it on the server
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| 17:37 | <mib_mwgu4m6b> and why this guide https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients ?!?!
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| 17:38 | <vagrantc> *sometimes* you install *some* applications on the thin client itself, but *usually* you install on the server.
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| 17:39 | <mib_mwgu4m6b> but if i install vnc only on the chroot space i cannot use it the thin client ...
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| 17:39 | sorry.. but i'm confused :(
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| 17:39 | <vagrantc> depends on what you're trying to do.
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| 17:40 | <mib_mwgu4m6b> i'd like to use ltsp in my internet cafè....
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| 17:40 | <vagrantc> there's localapps, which makes it more confusing
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| 17:40 | mib_mwgu4m6b: do you need to use vnc?
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| 17:41 | <mib_mwgu4m6b> it is an example...
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| 17:41 | like amsn
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| 17:41 | <vagrantc> there's some page on the docs about this...
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| 17:41 | !doco
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| 17:41 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: "doco" is not a valid command.
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| 17:41 | <vagrantc> !docu
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| 17:41 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: "docu" is not a valid command.
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| 17:41 | <vagrantc> gah.
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| 17:41 | !docs
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| 17:41 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 17:41 | <vagrantc> mib_mwgu4m6b: that explains it all ^^
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| 17:42 | <mib_mwgu4m6b> so... is it possible that avery user can't see server home directory.... ??!
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| 17:43 | <vagrantc> i don't know what you mean...
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| 17:43 | <mib_mwgu4m6b> and the whole filesystem
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| 17:43 | ok... sorry...
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| 17:43 | the users on the thin client can see the filesystem....
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| 17:44 | can i read in the documents how to avoid this ?
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| 17:45 | <vagrantc> you don't want one user to see the other user's files?
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| 17:45 | <mib_mwgu4m6b> yes...
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| 17:47 | <vagrantc> you do that by setting the permissions on their home directories so they can't see them...
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| 17:47 | <mib_mwgu4m6b> ok...
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| 17:48 | right
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| 17:48 | <vagrantc> mib_mwgu4m6b: probably "chmod og-rwx /home/*"
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| 17:49 | <mib_mwgu4m6b> perfect...
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| 17:50 | so... i must think about a thin client like a server clone ??
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| 17:50 | right ?
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| 17:54 | <vagrantc> each thin client is like an extra monitor, mouse and keyboard for the server.
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| 17:56 | <mib_mwgu4m6b> Thank you vagrantc.. just a last question..
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| 17:57 | so, i can create users and group that can not access all filesystem but their home dir.
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| 17:58 | right ?
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| 17:58 | <vagrantc> no, you wouldn't be able to run any programs
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| 17:59 | <mib_mwgu4m6b> mhhh
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| 18:01 | <vagrantc> mib_mwgu4m6b: you're trying to lock it down?
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| 18:01 | <mib_mwgu4m6b> yes... i'd like have thin client like kiosk...
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| 18:02 | only browser and amsn
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| 18:02 | w/o home dir too!
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| 18:03 | <vagrantc> so, you could throw away everything i said and run everything locally :)
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| 18:05 | <mib_mwgu4m6b> i'm sorry and more confused...
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| 18:06 | do you thik it's possible to do this with ltsp and diskless thin client ?
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| 18:06 | <vagrantc> well, instead of loggin into the server, you could actually run everything on the thin client.
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| 18:06 | ltsp as a diskless thin client
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| 18:06 | have a setup like that at a local cafe here
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| 18:08 | <mib_mwgu4m6b> how to avoid loggin into server and run averything in the thin client ?!
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| 18:13 | <vagrantc> it's complicated.
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| 18:13 | and not well documented.
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| 18:13 | more not documented than anything.
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| 20:21 | * Ryan52 wonders if vagrantc is going to offer for freegeek to host the hackfest. | |
| 20:21 | * Ryan52 would like that very much ;) | |
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| 20:29 | <petre> airfare from the midwest to Portland is cheaper than to Quebec
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| 20:36 | <loather-work> blame customs
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| 22:41 | <nothingman> anyone here have sugar going on ltsp?
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| 23:19 | <cyberorg> nothingman, install sugar on ltsp server is all that is required
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| 23:42 | <bethie> does anybody know how to disable the remote login from the terminal?
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| 23:43 | i want to go back to local
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| 23:44 | <cyberorg> bethie, disable network booting from the bios
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| 23:44 | or hit ctrl+c when you see client making pxe request
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| 23:45 | <bethie> i didn't want the remote login
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| 23:45 | but i guess i clicked it
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| 23:45 | and now when i get to the login screen
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| 23:45 | i just have a blank xdmcp screen
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| 23:45 | nowhere to login to anything
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| 23:45 | i want to put it back to local
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| 23:46 | <bethie> so ctrl+c will work for that?
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| 23:46 | <cyberorg> bethie, are you using ltsp?
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| 23:46 | <bethie> no i joined edubuntu
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| 23:46 | <bethie> and it said come here
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| 23:47 | :P sry
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