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Channel log from 21 October 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 09:16 | <kione> ?keyring
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| 09:16 | ?ltsp-pnp
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| 09:17 | ok, don't now the actual commands to search here
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| 09:17 | Can anyone explain how to fix the gnome-keyring bug in ltsp-pnp or a traditional ltsp fat client setup
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| 09:18 | <alkisg> !keyring
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| 09:18 | <ltsp> Error: "keyring" is not a valid command.
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| 09:18 | <alkisg> ...the gnome-keyring is disabled in recent versions
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| 09:18 | Do you have the greek schools ppa in your sources.list?
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| 09:19 | <kione> Hi alkisg! that means evolution and online-accounts won't work ?
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| 09:19 | <alkisg> I don't know, I imagine evolution will work but without storing the passwords
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| 09:19 | See this bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=730587
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| 09:20 | Complain there. A lot. Maybe they will fix it then. :)
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| 09:20 | Also make noice in the ltsp mailing list so that others complain in the bug report
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| 09:20 | :)
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| 09:20 | For now, ltsp disables the keyring if you use sshfs, as it won't work and will make thousands of temp files
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| 09:20 | If you switch to e.g. nfs, it won't disable it
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| 09:23 | <kione> making noice is a good advice... i have the gree ppa in my list. the pnp-setup was pretty much forward
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| 09:24 | why is it in thin client environment doing fine?
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| 09:27 | <alkisg> the problem is that locks don't work very well with sshfs
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| 09:27 | thins use ext4, the server file system
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| 09:27 | So we need to make noise either in sshfs or in gnome-keyring
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| 09:30 | <kione> i have had some moments, can't say why, where it does work... the connection established to cloud files through nautilus (owncloud via online-accounts) and evoluion was working properly unlocked, also. is ist possible that selinux/firewall problems could cause this
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| 09:46 | <kione> alkisg: you mean by "disabled" gnome-keyring, that permissions are set to -x
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> Yes, on boot
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| 09:49 | <kione> bw, for now i need to manually paste my routers ip in /etc/resolv.conf for connecting clients to the internet. what have missed...
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> The DNS_SERVER part in lts.conf?
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| 09:52 | <kione> DNS_SERVER="8.8.8.8 208.67.222.222"
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| 09:53 | i might choose my routers ip there?
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| 09:56 | as i am also running the ltsp server in virtualbox, i receive a "failed to start virtual kernel service" on client logins ... trying to exclude in "RM_SYSTEM_SERVICES" was not successful for me, i dont know the service name
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| 09:57 | nope, dns_server must be 8.8....
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| 10:21 | <alkisg> kione: where do you need to modify resolv.conf, on the server or the clients?
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| 10:21 | And, is it a single-nic setup?
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| 10:22 | <kione> on the server, single nic
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| 10:23 | its cold in germany, you still have summer, right?
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| 10:23 | <alkisg> Nah, autumn, rain etc
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| 10:24 | Are you planning to run DNS on the ltsp server or not?
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| 10:24 | I.e. port=0 in dnsmasq.conf or not...
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| 10:25 | <kione> is there a advantage in doing so
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| 10:26 | <alkisg> What is your primary dns server, your router?
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| 10:26 | <kione> yes
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| 10:27 | <alkisg> Well it would be a bit more customizable, e.g. you could easily add entries, blacklist facebook etc
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| 10:29 | * work_alkisg waves for now, later... | |
| 10:30 | <kione> thanks so far! c you!
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| 11:33 | <lbssousa> cyberorg, I'll give openSUSE another try here in my work, now that release 42.1 is coming. Maybe I could even support both openSUSE and Debian for my coworkers. Please consider packaging ssvnc in openSUSE:Education for use with Epoptes.
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| 11:36 | Preferably with this patch applied: http://sourceforge.net/p/ssvnc/bugs/5/
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| 11:49 | <kione> speaking of epoptes .... do i need to install the epoptes client in chroot?
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| 11:50 | <work_alkisg> kione: yes
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| 11:51 | see the epoptes.org/installation page
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| 11:54 | <kione> pretty straight forward! on my previous problem: i purged evolution and co. as owncloud provides webdav and including in nautilus is fine. despite i follow your suggestion to speak up in the bug-list, work_alkisg
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| 11:55 | <work_alkisg> yes it will affect other programs as well, so also notifying others in the mailing lists would be nice
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| 11:59 | <kione> i have a huge chance of setting up a ltsp system in sag gymnasium germany, if i can fullfill there needs and demonstrating openbox/gnome with a combination of owncloud, my guess is they wont regret taking the step to linux
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| 12:01 | i could help some small businesses with a thin client version, but for the larger school environment thats not approbiate... as you all know :D
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| 12:02 | <FrozenZia> Hey all -- anyone set up an LTSP-environment yet using UbuntuMATE? Any major things to keep in mind?
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| 12:05 | <kione> work_alkisg: didn't you receive my comment as email? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=730587#c2
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| 12:06 | <work_alkisg> kione: use ltsp fat clients for schools, they need multimedia
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| 12:06 | FrozenZia: use the greek school ppa, it has fixes for mate
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| 12:07 | The screen locker has some issues in mate, but that's not ltsp-specific... and, the file associations too
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| 12:07 | <kione> i do use debian jessie with fat clients, just installed vlc, gimp, inkscape etc for checking out
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| 12:32 | * kione loving empathy | |
| 12:41 | <kione> me stupid... i cant figure how to password protect my username here... registering where?
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| 12:52 | <muppis> kione, registering with NickServ. /msg NickServ help <- This gets you started.
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| 12:56 | <kione> nailed it :D thanks muppis
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| 13:02 | <muppis> No problem.
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| 13:11 | <kione> so then ;D
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| 16:22 | <markit> work_alkisg: hi, I'm thinking about moving ltsp server on a VM under Proxmox, but what about epoptes being run by the teacher from a fat client and not from the server? does it work?
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| 16:22 | btw, how are you? :)
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| 16:23 | ehm, let's read some documentation first: http://www.epoptes.org/documentation/fat-clients :)
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| 16:23 | Phantomas: hi!
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| 16:23 | <Phantomas> hey markit
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| 16:25 | <markit> how are you as a person and as a student? ;P
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| 16:27 | <Phantomas> I'm good as a person and terrible as a student. :P I'm working on python libvncserver bindings, you may see some cool vnc related features in epoptes "soon".
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| 16:28 | <markit> Phantomas: great for the ltsp work! As as student... I remember me being always late in exams too
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| 16:29 | <Phantomas> markit: the page you linked should work fine for your requirements
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| 16:29 | <markit> but being much older than you I have to tell you "study comes first :)"
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| 16:29 | Phantomas: yep, let's test it... do you know Proxmox project? If not, have a look
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| 16:30 | virtualization environment is great for testing too (snaphot, backup/restore, etc)
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| 16:30 | btw, there is a site in germany that sells server class hardware of second hand ("used") for not too much money
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| 16:31 | <Phantomas> proxmox seems interesting, in what hardware are you running this with ltsp?
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| 16:32 | <markit> we have a server in one school that has also a VM for the work of the secretary (sigh, M$Crapware), and samba as a share. Is a Xeon something, 16GB ram, 4 Gb nics
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| 16:33 | <Phantomas> oh cool then
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| 16:33 | <markit> and one high quality ssd for important VM, and one "not so good" for wm that could die, I will put ltsp there
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| 16:34 | Then problem is that if ltsp crashes or something, teacher will not be able to turn it off and on again as is used with "physical" server
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| 16:34 | I think I will crontab e reboot every night
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| 16:34 | just to keep it as fresh as possible
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| 16:35 | <Phantomas> not sure if this is necessary
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| 16:35 | <markit> but Free software is giving me some troubles with some hardware that has not (priprietary) drivers available for 14.04 or some Free software abandoned (OpenSankoré)
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| 16:36 | ehm, you need some italian update in translations by me, or am I wrong? https://translations.launchpad.net/epoptes
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| 16:37 | <Phantomas> would be great :)
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| 16:37 | <markit> Network Benchmark? you added it? that's great!!!
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| 16:37 | does it do also a sort of "stress test?" yesterday I had a bad surprise
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| 16:37 | in the 18 fat client room, 10 started fine, then did not, and also dhcp was slow like hell
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| 16:38 | in short, one nick of the bound was having big trubles after a lot of traffic has passed through
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| 16:38 | I tested only with 1-5 fats when I updated
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| 16:38 | seems was a kernel module issue with that nick, I upgraded now to 14.04 and I'm crossing my fingers
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| 16:38 | <Phantomas> it uses iperf, and shows a per-client bandwidth used graph
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| 16:40 | network problems suck :(
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| 16:40 | It would be great if you tested this feature, and report any problems you find.
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| 16:40 | <markit> mmm wondering if is everything to translate or not... tech people use "upload" in italian too, without translation
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| 16:40 | is it translated in greek AFAIK?
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| 16:41 | <Phantomas> it is. something like "send"
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| 16:41 | and kinda like "get" for "download"
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| 16:43 | but it's up to you if you will translate it or not
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| 16:52 | <markit> Phantomas: done, I should review to make the upload/download parts be as much like as possible
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| 16:52 | btw, my english is becoming worse and worse, sigh
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| 16:57 | Phantomas: string 114 has a carriage return, do I have to put it also in the translation?
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| 16:57 | I guess so...
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| 16:58 | <Phantomas> if the translated string is as long as the original, yes use it
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| 16:59 | <markit> ok, complete, I feel better now for this really small and trivial contribution
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| 16:59 | let's go back to the Kubuntu 14.04 ltsp VM creation and configuration :)
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| 16:59 | thanks a lot Phantomas :) have a nice day
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| 17:00 | <Phantomas> markit: Thank you too for the translation :) Have a nice day too
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| 17:01 | <markit> Phantomas: well, thanks a lot for epoptes indeed :) And I'm so grateful for alkis's help in setting ltsp and troubleshooting, I would never be able to have it working without him
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| 17:02 | when nothing seems to work, alkis is able to troubleshoot every single bit ;P
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| 17:15 | well, ltsp-remoteapps epoptes works, but not from the menu icon
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| 17:15 | and also it shows itself in the client list, that can be a real problem
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| 17:20 | Phantomas: info does not return info about ram, processor and graphic card, is it normal (not yet implemented) or do I miss some packages?
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| 17:20 | I mean, I select a client, and right click on it, then Info
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| 17:21 | also how can I run it from the DE menu, since the menu item for epoptes package that is not in chroot?
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| 17:25 | let's try to copy /usr/share/applications/epoptes.desktop in chroot
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| 17:25 | <work_alkisg> markit: http://www.epoptes.org/documentation/fat-clients
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| 17:26 | There's an RCFILE_01 command there that edits the menu
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| 17:27 | To exclude the client, use the equivalent of gnome-session-properties, that disables startup programs
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| 17:28 | <markit> work_alkisg: yes, but there is no menu in fat chroot
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| 17:29 | <markit> at lest, this is what I deduced, but I just copied from host to chroot without testing if it was already present
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| 17:29 | and now I'm rebuilding chroot
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| 17:29 | in any case, from K menu typing "epoptes" shows nothing in the fat client
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| 17:29 | so seems to be the case
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| 17:30 | urgh, I have to get home my child, be back soon (wondering if I have to issue some command for Kde to rebuild the menu, not just drop a .desktop file)
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| 17:35 | <markit> you mean don't startup epoptes client in the teacher's client? Is "by user" based (because I don't know in what PC the teacher will be)
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| 17:36 | I've to leave, see you soon and thanks (btw, Benchmarks? GREAT introduction!!!)
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| 17:41 | <work_alkisg> markit: if you're not using ltsp-pnp, and you don't have epoptes in the chroot, you need to copy the application.desktop file and the icon
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| 17:42 | Hmm yes there should be a better way to do it with REMOTEAPPS_MENU_ITEMS etc
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| 18:43 | <markit> work_alkisg: back, google does not return anything for +"REMOTEAPPS_MENU_ITEMS"
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| 18:44 | work_alkisg: do you have handy the path of the epoptes icon?
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| 18:48 | mmm in fat client epoptes is not found even if is in usr/share/applications/ :(
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| 18:48 | I mean, in K is not present or searchable
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| 18:50 | I guess /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/epoptes.svg
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| 19:03 | <work_alkisg> markit: REMOTE_APPS_MENU_ITEMS
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| 19:03 | * work_alkisg is not really online currently... :) | |
| 19:05 | <markit> work_alkisg: oh, sorry, I leave you alone :) good night, thanks
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| 19:29 | <markit> REMOTE_APPS_MENU_ITEMS seems not to work either
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| 20:47 | <alkisg> markit: did you manage to do it yet?
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| 20:47 | What do you have in REMOTE_APPS_MENU_ITEMS? "epoptes" ?
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| 20:48 | Do you also have REMOTEAPPS=True?
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| 20:48 | *REMOTE_APPS
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| 21:15 | <markit> work_alkisg: I'm investigating why in my workstation as soon as I create a .desktop file I can find typing in K menu, while not if I do in fat clients
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| 21:15 | and I've REMOTE_APPS=True and REMOTE_APPS_MENU=True and REMOTE_APPS_MENU_ITEMS=epoptes
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| 21:16 | but don't know what I should find in K menu (a submenu "remote apps"? Just remote app "epoptes" listed in it's usual place?)
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| 21:18 | <markit> mmm to find apps put in .local/share/applications I had to logout/in (while in my workstation I've not)
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| 21:20 | but seems to ignore /usr/share/applications/epoptes.desktop (where I can see the sed script worked fine)
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| 21:20 | permissions are ok like other .desktop there
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| 21:52 | <work_alkisg> markit: ask a question in epoptes and i'll answer it as soon as possible, maybe monday...
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| 22:14 | <markit> thanks work_alkisg
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| 22:14 | well, I close irc chat ... I'll send you an email?
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