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| 08:10 | <Parker955> TheMatrix3000, what do you use for your thin clients?
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| 08:10 | <TheMatrix3000> have ubuntu with ltsp-server installed
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| 08:11 | since i have dhcp on my pfsense
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| 08:11 | so to install ltsp on ubuntu server
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| 08:11 | you need to run sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ltsp-server
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| 08:11 | that's if you have dhcp on a firewall or something else
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| 08:11 | <Parker955> I'm running the installer for ubuntu with the ltbp option
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| 08:12 | <TheMatrix3000> ah, that works too, i guess
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| 08:12 | <Parker955> but like what do you use for your thin clients tho?
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| 08:12 | <TheMatrix3000> i have a mix of p3 computers
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| 08:12 | p4s
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| 08:12 | just a big mix
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| 08:12 | <Parker955> ahh
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| 08:12 | <TheMatrix3000> all the thin clients have at least 1gb ram
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| 08:12 | <Parker955> ya I'm looking to see if I can get some small hp thin client
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| 08:12 | <TheMatrix3000> it's impressive how much you don't need on the comps
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| 08:13 | <TheMatrix3000> well they cost about 200/thin client
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| 08:13 | we passed on them last purchase because we could build faster computers with more ram for less
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| 08:13 | <Parker955> http://www.amazon.com/Smart-Multiseat-T100-Client-Academic/dp/B003B8CCS6
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| 08:13 | for $15 how can I go wrong eh
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| 08:15 | <alkisg> That's multiseat, without ethernet, right? So it can't be used with ltsp...
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| 08:16 | <Parker955> ya I'm looking at it more and am thinking it doesn't support it
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| 08:16 | <TheMatrix3000> we built 10 2.4ghz 2gb ram dual cores
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| 08:16 | wow
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| 08:16 | that is crazy
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| 08:17 | no lan port
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| 08:17 | so it wont work
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| 08:17 | <alkisg> It's part of a specific hp multiseat-based solution, you need also the server part of the hardware for this
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| 08:17 | <TheMatrix3000> yea
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| 08:17 | that doesn't work
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| 08:19 | you need ethernet
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| 08:19 | <Parker955> ya I know I just didn't really look up the docs that much on that one
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| 08:19 | lol
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| 08:20 | <TheMatrix3000> yea, you will prolly spend about $200USD/thin client
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| 08:20 | for a decent one
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| 08:20 | maybe more or less depending on how much ram you need
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| 08:20 | <Parker955> one with a 1ghz proc 1gb ram and no hdd with gigabit for $70
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| 08:21 | <TheMatrix3000> it's all preference
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| 08:21 | <Guerdal82|atWork> you could use Zotac => www.zotac.com (interesting for fat client) :-)
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| 08:21 | amd zacate e350 double core 1,6 Ghz
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| 08:25 | <TheMatrix3000> anyone here using nfs and ltsp?
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| 08:27 | * alkisg is | |
| 08:28 | <TheMatrix3000> what do you use for your nfs server
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| 08:28 | or what do you recommend
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> We have small labs of 10-12 pcs here, so we're just using the ltsp server as the nfs server
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| 08:30 | (mainly for fat clients)
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| 08:31 | <Guerdal82|atWork> here actually an HP server with Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5405 @ 2.00GHz and 4Go for 25 thin client HP 5735 (in thin client mode)
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| 08:40 | <TheMatrix3000> oh wow
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| 08:41 | yea, alkisg i have about 60 pcs here all thin clients
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| 08:41 | lol
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| 09:01 | <TheMatrix3000> im thinking about using freenas as a nfs server
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| 09:56 | <Parker955> yo TheMatrix3000 mat did you put for the filename to get the thin client to boot from pxe?
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| 09:59 | <Parker955> woo nevermind
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| 10:08 | <alkisg> Debian/LXDE ftw! Just 26 MB RAM in use for a full X session: http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/tosteki/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4024.0;attach=2512;image
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| 10:09 | Perfect for fallback local installations for ancient labs, in case the ltsp server goes down
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| 10:24 | <Parker955> any you guys know why an ltsp client would be extremely slow?
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| 10:24 | the server is undel little to no load at the moment
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| 10:35 | <alkisg> Parker955_Away: client RAM? CPU? Do you have LDM_DIRECTX=True or false?
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| 10:58 | <Parker955> it has 512mb ram and a 1.6ghz intel centrino proc
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| 10:58 | and I haven't poked around with the settings that much I just set it up lol
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| 11:04 | <alkisg> Parker955: read the man page for LDM_DIRECTX, it offers much better performance at a security cost
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| 11:04 | <Parker955> kk
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| 11:04 | thanks
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| 11:53 | <TheMatrix3000> yea LDM_DIRECTX makes a huge difference
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| 11:54 | <Parker955> put it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 11:54 | ?
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| 12:02 | <TheMatrix3000> yea
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| 12:02 | wait n
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| 12:02 | oo
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| 12:02 | no
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| 12:03 | it's in tftpboot i think
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| 12:03 | give me a second
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| 12:03 | <Parker955> ya I put it in the tftp boot also
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| 12:03 | there wasn't an lts.conf in the tftpboot
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| 12:03 | but I aded one
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| 12:03 | <TheMatrix3000> yea your supposed to have to add one
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| 12:08 | <Parker955> still slow as hell but I'll figure it out later I gotta do other crap then sit on the computer all day :p
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| 12:08 | thanks guys tho
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| 12:53 | <Ghidorah> Does anyone have localapps + printing working? I've been unable to get any printers to show up with localapps. I have cups installed in the ltsp-image. The CUPS error_log says " Report: printers=3" but no printers how up when I attempt to print.
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| 12:54 | Printing does work for non-localapps
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| 12:54 | <alkisg> Where is the printer? On the ltsp server?
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| 12:55 | <Ghidorah> Printer/CUPs installed on the LTSP-Cluster root server. LTSP App server sees the printers (shared via CUPS)
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| 12:56 | <abeehc> haqve you got cups_server set in lts.conf?
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| 12:56 | <alkisg> Ah no idea about cluster. But generally you need to share the printer (check [v] publish printers) on the server, and check [v] show printers from other systems (or similar, I don't have english menus) on the client
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| 12:57 | <abeehc> yeah on the cups server you need to make sure it's allowing your thincliet subnet browse access to the printers
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| 13:09 | <Ghidorah> Printing is quickly becoming the bane of my existence. I think I should push a green policy in my school
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| 13:09 | down with printers!
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| 13:32 | <pedronveloso> I've a camera that connects to USB to transfer files, but the client machines are not showing it when I connect the camera. if I connect a normal USB stick the client does recognize. what I'm I doing wrong?
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| 13:33 | <TheMatrix3000> any document out there that can tell me how to connect my ltsp server to a nfs share so i can map /home to it
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| 13:37 | <alkisg> pedronveloso: probably the camera doesn't match the udev rule that fires ltspfs
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| 13:37 | Plug it on while running udevadm monitor, to see how to match it
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| 13:37 | <pedronveloso> I've this line from the camera from lsusb : Bus 001 Device 005: ID 04a9:314d Canon, Inc.
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| 13:38 | alkisg, is it possible to use that line to make it go to udev of the clients? and if so, how to?
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| 13:39 | <alkisg> `udevadm monitor` will show you the camera properties, and you put the result in /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/udev/rules.d/80-ltspfsd.rules
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| 13:40 | Of course if it's not a real block device, but it's accessed through gvfs, then it'll be much harder to mount it with ltspfsd
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| 13:41 | <vagrantc> you might need to use gphotofs
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| 13:42 | <TheMatrix3000> alkisg can i mount a nfs share to /home instead of use the local /home
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: you mean on the ltsp server? Or are you talking about fat clients/localapps?
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| 13:43 | <vagrantc> some cameras don't mount as regular USB mass storage devices, and need gphotofs if you want them to mount as devices ... i never did work on the integration into ltspfs, but thought about it years ago
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| 13:43 | <TheMatrix3000> on teh server itself
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| 13:44 | <TheMatrix3000> do i just do a mount -t nfs google:/work-google basically
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| 13:44 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: It's not LTSP related, any NFS how-to on the internet will do. Or ask in your distro irc channel.
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| 13:44 | <TheMatrix3000> ag ok
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| 13:47 | <pedronveloso> vagrantc, what's that?
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| 13:48 | <Gnoze5> yellow
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| 13:48 | <pedronveloso> alkisg, what do you mean harder to mount with ltspfsd? I just want it to be acessible to that client that connected the camera, is that somehow what you were refering to?
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> pedronveloso: yes, both me and vagrantc refer to that
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| 13:48 | <Gnoze5> alkisg o/
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| 13:49 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 13:49 | <pedronveloso> Gnoze5, boas
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| 13:49 | <Gnoze5> whats the issue in the can ?
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| 13:49 | <pedronveloso> alkisg, why are cameras so different than USB pen drives?
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> pedronveloso: I'm not sure if your camera is different or not, the output of `udevadm monitor` will tell us
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| 13:50 | In general, they are accessed in a different way than usb sticks
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| 13:52 | <pedronveloso> alkisg, ok. so I start with reading that output and then writing to the UDEV. I assume after I must update the ltsp image right?
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> pedronveloso: take it step by step, if you need gphotofs like vagrantc said it'll be a longer walk
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| 13:54 | In any case you'll need to update the image, yes
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| 14:03 | <pedronveloso> alkisg, thanks ;)
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| 14:48 | <pedronveloso> alkisg, I've got this 2 lines from UDEV monitor :
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| 14:48 | UDEV [1308865664.559634] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-1 (usb)
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| 14:48 | UDEV [1308865664.563655] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.0 (usb)
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| 14:49 | and btw, the camera mounts well on the server. don't know if this tells anything relevant or not
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| 14:49 | I've looked into the file 80-ltspfsd.rules, but I don't know how to place that info there, can you help me?
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> Put the camera on the server and run `mount` after that, you'll see if it's mounted as a regular file system or some gvfs-based one
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| 14:50 | But if you only got the above with udev, then it doesn't look like a regular file system
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| 14:54 | <pedronveloso> alkisg, it doesn't show up on /dev as an sd* device, I don't know how to mount this oO
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| 14:55 | After it gets mounted, just run `mount`
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| 14:55 | <pedronveloso> via nautilus :P
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| 14:55 | oh, OK :P noob
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> Those should show up too, as gvfs file systems
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| 14:56 | <pedronveloso> alkisg, the mounted place path shows up on nautilus as "gphoto2://[usb:001,007]/"
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> Yup, that's what vagrantc told you
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| 14:58 | <pedronveloso> vagrantc, hum, seems like gphotofs is the way to go with this model :\. Can you help me though the process?
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| 14:58 | alkisg, thanks dude
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| 14:58 | <alkisg> np
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| 14:58 | <pedronveloso> alkisg, will see if vangrantc can help me with this one now. never though cameras were such a mess to deal with :P
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> Yeah unfortunately it's like trying to access it from the console, without nautilus :)
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| 15:12 | <pedronveloso> alkisg, in here: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/GphotoLtspfs , on the bottom when it says : Use the udev detection in 45-libgphoto2.rules. , this file is the one on chroot, or the one on the server?
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| 15:15 | alkisg, brb
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> doh
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| 15:16 | i never really worked on the gphotofs stuff in ltsp, but it shouldn't be too hard for someone who already knows ltsp well
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| 15:16 | hah
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| 15:27 | <pedronveloso> so, anyone used gphotofs before?
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> pedronveloso: i used gphotofs long long ago, and planned on integrating some sort of support into ltspfs, but never got a chance to do so, and don't have the hardware to test with anymore
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| 15:32 | <pedronveloso> vagrantc, I can be a beta tester :) . but has anyone to your knowledge done it before?
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| 15:32 | vagrantc, I've both camera and client pcs
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| 15:34 | <vagrantc> i don't even remember if i managed to pull it off
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| 15:34 | i know i tried for a bit
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| 15:34 | <pedronveloso> vagrantc, you really should not drink on service :P
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| 15:34 | <vagrantc> ?
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| 15:35 | <pedronveloso> vagrantc, you've written this correct? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GphotoLtspfs
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| 15:35 | <vagrantc> it was literally 4-5 years ago
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| 15:35 | haven't worked on it since
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| 15:35 | <pedronveloso> vagrantc, forget = drink , just kidding :P
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| 15:35 | can you at least tell me what you meant by the last line?
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| 15:35 | it reads "Modify "add-fstab-entry" to add a gphotofs mount to the fstab, notify LTSP localdev that mount exists. "
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| 15:36 | I don't know how to do this
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> there was a script called add-fstab-entry ... it's since been renamed to ltspfs-entry
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| 15:37 | <pedronveloso> how you I go about using it in my case?
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> it's not simple
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| 15:38 | it requires some coding and udev background knowledge
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| 15:38 | and i don't really have the time to work on it
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| 15:39 | <pedronveloso> and I don't know that much about udev to feel confortable to do that on my own :\
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| 15:39 | vagrantc, just one last thing, USB card readers, those should work fine on LTSP right? just like usb sticks I imagine?
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| 15:40 | <vagrantc> i *think* so, but i've never used them
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| 15:40 | if it creates /dev/sd* devices, and has a regular filesystem on it, it should almost certainly work.
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| 15:40 | <pedronveloso> vagrantc, I'll probably try that than, not the most beautiful solution though. You don't know of anyone else that would be working on gphotofs support would you?
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| 15:41 | <vagrantc> hear someone mumble about it every couple years
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| 15:41 | <pedronveloso> vagrantc, from my previous experience with one, they do create a regular entry on /dev :)
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| 15:42 | vagrantc, ok. well, thanks for your time :)
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| 15:43 | <vagrantc> good luck
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| 17:13 | <komputes> I have some terminals which require a custom xorg.conf. Where should I place this xorg.conf, which lts.conf should I edit and what should the syntax/path look like?
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| 21:59 | <alkisg> komputes: put xorg.conf in e.g. /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg-nvidia.conf, and call it like this from lts.conf:
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| 21:59 | X_CONF=/etc/X11/xorg-nvidia.conf
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