IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 4 September 2015 (all times are UTC)
| 00:05 | <dgroos> hmmm… I just checked /etc/hosts and see a couple of lines there, but wonder if they are being used. I think they were put there by the AD binding program. I think that /etc/hosts isn’t used when you use network manager?
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| 00:07 | <maldridge> /etc/hosts is used by resolvconf
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| 00:08 | you probably have the base set that's used to resolve the machine itself
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| 00:08 | <dgroos> there’s the 127.0.0.1 localhost
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| 00:09 | <maldridge> yeah, that's needed to actually resolve the machine itself
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| 00:09 | <dgroos> but there’s also 127.0.1.1 computername.domain.name.of.the.ADserver
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| 00:10 | <maldridge> yeah, that's needed to make sure that the fqdn resolves
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| 00:11 | <dgroos> OK, thanks for that check, too.
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| 00:11 | <maldridge> np
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| 00:18 | <dgroos> So, I just tried to log in with my admin account on a client, and it doesn’t work. I can only log in with a user from the AD domain. I did unjoin my server from the AD domain, but still couldn’t log in. That’s really strange…
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| 00:19 | I had assumed that I could do that, that the only problem was with the student accounts on the remote AD.
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| 00:21 | <maldridge> did powerbroker override changes in nsswitch?
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| 00:21 | <dgroos> How tell?
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| 00:21 | <maldridge> you'd need to look in both your name service config, as well as /etc/pam.d
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| 00:22 | I'd stay and help, but I have to go attend an ACM kickoff event in 5 minutes. Good luck and I'm sure there are others in the channel that can help with this portion.
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| 00:22 | <dgroos> Thanks!
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| 00:23 | I should head home too. Have a good one.
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| 05:19 | <url> hi all
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| 05:19 | didn't realize there was an IRC :'(
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| 05:19 | i've been struggling with what I assume is a relatively straightforward issue
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| 05:20 | I'm running pinet on ubuntu but the thin clients can't see the printer
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| 05:20 | i haven't pulled out all of my hair yet, but.... i'd appreciate any pointers
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| 05:21 | I've looked: help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/localprinter
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| 05:21 | and a few similar pages, but so far no dice
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| 05:42 | <quinox> I can't help you, but stick around and you'll be served
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| 06:04 | <maldridge> url: can't see the printer, or can't print to it
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| 06:09 | <url> actually couldn't log into cups on the thin client
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| 06:09 | i just added root (poor form i know) to the lpadmin group in chroot, so i'm hoping that will help
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| 06:09 | i've just done the update-image, but i'm working remotely so i'm waiting on the guy to load an SD card for me
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| 06:10 | <maldridge> ah, good luck with it; its 0100 here so I think I'll be off for the night
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| 06:10 | <url> haha, no worries, thanks anyways
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| 07:24 | <bobptz> alkisg
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| 07:24 | με πέταξε έξω
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| 07:24 | <alkisg> !greek
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| 07:24 | <ltsp`> greek: Στο παρόν κανάλι μιλάνε μόνο Αγγλικά, για υποστήριξη στα Ελληνικά από την υπηρεσία Τεχνικής Στήριξης ΣΕΠΕΗΥ διαβάστε το http://ts.sch.gr/wiki/IRC και στη συνέχεια πληκτρολογήστε /j #ts.sch.gr
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| 07:25 | <alkisg> bobptz, είσαι σε λάθος κανάλι, είσαι στο #ltsp αντί του #ts.sch.gr
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| 07:25 | <bobptz> I know, but the system connected me here twice
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| 08:45 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: the first problem was that debian ships an ifup@.service, which unconditionally runs `ifdown -a`, i.e. brings down even interfaces that are required for root, for network swap etc
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| 08:45 | That's a regression from the previous implementation in init.d/networking, which properly checked for a network root/swap
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| 08:46 | By overriding the ifup@'s ExecStop= directive, that part of the problem is solved
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| 12:07 | <TvR_> any ideas, why nbi.img is not created any more (debian jessie amd64) ?
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| 12:09 | <alkisg> TvR_: it hasn't been working since 5+ years
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| 12:09 | <TvR_> alright
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| 12:09 | <alkisg> mkelfimage or something related was broken and the .nbi images were not bootable
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| 12:09 | You can manually install mkelfimage and have the .nbi images generated, although they still won't be bootable
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| 12:10 | <TvR_> then its something else... I tried to build jessie image for LTSP running wheezy - while wheezy image works, jessie clients have "file not found " error on startup
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| 12:11 | pxelinux.0 is served by tftp (checked with tftp client)
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| 12:11 | <alkisg> Check your tftp server logs, or /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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| 12:11 | <TvR_> pxelinux.0 is quite downloadable with tftp client
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| 12:12 | <alkisg> sure, but you'll see exactly which file isn't
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| 12:12 | <TvR_> as it resides on both /srv/tftp/ltsp/i386 and /var/lib/tftboot/ltsp/i386
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| 12:12 | <alkisg> (e.g. the kernel, or pxelinux.cfg/default)
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| 12:12 | It's not only that one file
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| 12:12 | There are others downloaded via tftp
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| 12:13 | <TvR_> yep. all are there and can be downloaded with tftp client
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| 12:13 | <alkisg> Will it hurt you to check syslog which will tell you the exact file? :)
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| 12:13 | <TvR_> also, when I put wheezy image back and run ltsp-update-kernels, everything works again
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| 12:13 | nothing in syslog
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| 12:14 | <alkisg> which tftp server are you using?
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| 12:14 | <TvR_> tftpd-hpa
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| 12:14 | <alkisg> Enable verbose in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa, and restart it
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| 12:14 | then check syslog again
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| 12:14 | <TvR_> thanks, will try
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| 12:37 | <dgroos> Trying to troubleshoot a series of probs with ltsp-pnp fat clients.
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| 12:37 | Most basic problem, perhaps, is that when I put laptop on internal LAN it doesn’t pick up an IP. Yet, clients are still able to boot.
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| 12:39 | Another strange issue: Admin account (from server) can not log into a client, but people in the connected AD domain (via PowerBroker-open—which is the re-branded Likewise-opent), can.
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| 12:41 | <dgroos> Finally, the least of the problems is that every time I reboot the computer I just re-do the series of commands to deal with the DNS issue as per the ltsp-pnp page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 12:43 | Oh, and I should mention that I have to add the districts dns address to: /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head so that I can run powerbroker (the AD domain-binding software).
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| 12:43 | Anyone have an idea where to start??? :-)
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| 12:48 | <hxs> Hello all. I am trying to use epoptes for monitoring our digital signs. I have installed epoptes on my machine and epoptes-client on the client machine. When I run epoptes-client on the client machine it says it is connecting to my machine ip:789, however on my machine I never see any detected clients. I have followed the instructions from this site:http://www.2daygeek.com/manage-and-monitor-your-office-pc-with-epoptes-in-linux-mint-debian-
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| 12:53 | <vmlintu> dgroos: do you use AD for anything else than logins?
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| 12:54 | <dgroos> vmlintu: no only authentication for logging in.
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| 12:54 | <vmlintu> dgroos: do you have the users created locally?
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| 12:57 | <dgroos> When I check /etc/passwd/ I only see users created locally (just 2 users in addition to all the system users), yet when I’m at the login screen, I see everyone who has actually logged in to the system via local or via AD binding—maybe 40 users.
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| 12:58 | <dgroos> All the AD logged-in users have home folders now in /home/local/DomainName/
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| 13:07 | <vmlintu> dgroos: are you using ldm or lightdm on the login screen?
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| 13:07 | <dgroos> ?
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| 13:08 | don’t know what these are. how do i find out?
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| 13:08 | <vmlintu> You see a list of AD users on login screen and you can select the user?
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| 13:09 | <dgroos> yes
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| 13:10 | <vmlintu> Does the login screen look different from normal ltsp?
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| 13:10 | Are the home directories on the client or on the server?
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| 13:11 | <dgroos> Sorry, I don’t remember for sure about the login screens, I think I’ve seen this before.
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| 13:12 | <dgroos> Home dirs on on server—clients don’t have hard drives.
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| 13:14 | <vmlintu> The Admin account not being able to login to clients sounds like some nss/pam issue, but I've never seen PowerBroker or Likewise..
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| 13:14 | I've always done AD authentication with normal kerberos/ldap tools..
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| 13:14 | <dgroos> I’ve used likewise since 2011 and been very happy with it.
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| 13:15 | I’m wondering if I should try that and remove PB.
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| 13:15 | <vmlintu> If you are not familiar with kerberos insides, I don't recommend doing it..
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| 13:16 | <dgroos> I’m not :-)
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| 13:16 | We don’t use kerberos, just AD.
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| 13:16 | <vmlintu> AD uses kerberos
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| 13:16 | <dgroos> Ahh…
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| 13:17 | <vmlintu> These tools are sometimes too clever and modify the system in ways that break some other usecases
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| 13:18 | The DNS issues sound separate from this
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| 13:21 | <dgroos> OK, starting there, why would I need to add something specifically to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head. Maybe I’ll turn PBIS off and try to get the client system to work with just local users, then add on powerbroker. One question,
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| 13:22 | Why would I keep having to re-apply the DNS solution on alkisg’s ltsp-pnp page upon each re-boot to solve the dns problem?
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| 13:22 | Is there something strange w/my setup?
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| 13:25 | <vmlintu> The changes you've done to the image on the server are lost on clients?
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| 13:26 | <dgroos> I mean that when I reboot, unless I reapply the commands starting with: sudo -i
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| 13:26 | sed 's/^dns=dnsmasq/# Commented by ltsp-pnp: dns=dnsmasq/' \ …
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| 13:27 | the clients will not be able to boot.
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| 13:30 | and if I try to boot a client I get tons of these:
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| 13:30 | Sep 3 17:07:59 southsci1 in.tftpd[4251]: /tftpboot: No such file or directory
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| 13:30 | Sep 3 17:08:00 southsci1 in.tftpd[4252]: connect from 192.168.67.195 (192.168.67.195)
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| 13:44 | <vagrantc> my wild hunch is you're not getting a DHCP response configured for LTSP
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| 13:44 | "Sep 3 17:07:59 southsci1 in.tftpd[4251]: /tftpboot: No such file or directory" suggests it's trying to load from a hard-coded tftp location ... maybe.
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| 13:45 | and lightdm vs. ldm ... you'll get LDM by default unless you've gone out of your way to disable it
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| 13:50 | <dgroos> vmlintu: OK: disconnected from AD. Removed nameserver info from: /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head and rebooted server.
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| 13:50 | Hooked laptop to internal network and sure enough it did pick up an internal IP from the server’s DHCP.
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| 13:51 | However, I was not able to ping 8.8.8.8 from this laptop.
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| 13:51 | I then applied the sed 's/^dns=dnsmasq/# Commented by ltsp-pnp: dns=dnsmasq/' \ … commands, but still unable to ping out.
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| 14:00 | <vmlintu> do you have one or two nics?
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| 14:01 | <dgroos> 2 nics and have commented out the proxy setting.
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| 14:01 | <vmlintu> you have a nat configured?
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| 14:04 | <dgroos> No. am using network manager as per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/StaticIP but, not seeing the check box for “Available to all users” which I figure did the auto set-up of NATting
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| 14:04 | I think 14.04 doesn’t have this checkbox in nm anymore.
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> !network-manager
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| 14:05 | <ltsp`> Error: "network-manager" is not a valid command.
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> !nm
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| 14:05 | <ltsp`> Error: "nm" is not a valid command.
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> oh well.
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| 14:05 | <vmlintu> available to all users doesn't do nat, I think.. It just shares the configuration to others
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| 14:06 | <dgroos> OK.
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| 14:07 | Oops, just saw the time, students arrive in 2 minutes… Need to adjust my high school science teacher hat ;-)
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| 14:07 | <dgroos> Will try NATting during lunch break. Any recommendations for a good page on that? I think https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT
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| 14:08 | won’t work for me since ltsp-pnp uses dnsmasq, right?
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| 14:10 | bye and thanks so much for your help vmlintu !
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> !sch-scripts
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| 14:59 | <ltsp`> Error: "sch-scripts" is not a valid command.
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> !nat
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| 14:59 | <ltsp`> nat: To set up NAT on your LTSP server, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> !forget nat
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| 15:01 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> !learn nat as To set up NAT in your LTSP server, set its internal IP to 192.168.67.1 and put http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/sch-scripts/trunk/view/head:/debian/sch-scripts.if-up to /etc/network/if-up.d/sch-scripts
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| 15:01 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> dgroos: ^
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| 15:01 | !forget nat
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| 15:01 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 15:02 | <alkisg> !learn nat as To set up NAT in your LTSP server, set its internal IP to 192.168.67.1 and put http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/sch-scripts/trunk/view/head:/debian/sch-scripts.if-up to /etc/network/if-up.d/sch-scripts. This also takes care of flow-control issues, possibly increasing your network speed 10 times. :)
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| 15:02 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 15:51 | <dgroos> !thanks alkisg!
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| 15:51 | <ltsp`> Error: "thanks" is not a valid command.
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| 15:51 | <dgroos> should be…
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| 15:52 | alkisg: I don’t have /etc/network/if-up.d/sch-scripts/ should I?
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| 16:15 | still trying to figure out why, after reboot, I have to re-apply the dns solutions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 16:22 | <alkisg> dgroos: /etc/network/if-up.d/sch-scripts is where you will put that script, it's not a directory, it's the script name
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| 16:24 | <dgroos> ? if I put the script in /etc/network/if-up.d/sch-scripts doesn’t that make sch-scripts a directory in /etc/network/if-up.d/? I’m not trying to nit-pick, just trying to understand.
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| 16:27 | back in an hour…
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| 16:33 | <alkisg_web> dgroos: you're supposed to download http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/sch-scripts/trunk/view/head:/debian/sch-scripts.if-up
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| 16:33 | then rename sch-scripts.if-up to sch-scripts without an extension
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| 16:33 | then put that file to /etc/network/if-up.d/
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| 16:33 | and run chmod +x /etc/network/if-up.d/sch-scripst
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| 16:47 | <trevorphillipdav> hello ... have a question, can we publish just applicstions with LTSP?
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| 17:03 | <Junior> afternoon. Its possible to send shortcuts via epoptes ? lets say alt+space+x ?
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| 17:04 | <alkisg> Junior: you can run a utility to send keystrokes with epoptes
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| 17:05 | xautomate etc
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| 17:08 | <Junior> i need to run it on clients or in the server ?
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| 17:10 | <alkisg> From the execute command of the epoptes gui
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| 17:10 | xautomate needs to be installed in the clients
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| 17:11 | <Junior> great ill check
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| 17:11 | ty
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| 17:12 | <alkisg> you're welcome
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| 17:13 | Junior: xautomation, not xautomate... the command you need is manpages.ubuntu.com/xte
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| 17:19 | <Junior> yesterday i was with a problem on epoptes with 2 clients started with a red monitor on the server screen
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| 17:19 | today its all good
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| 17:28 | and now crashed again
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| 17:28 | :p
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| 17:32 | <alkisg> Junior: what crashed, epoptes?
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| 17:32 | Do file a bug report with the apport output
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| 17:32 | <Junior> the client now appears as a red monitor and i cant see the screen
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| 17:54 | <dgroos> work_alkisg: I believe I did as directed and get: ls -la /etc/network/if-up.d/ | grep sch
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| 17:54 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2424 Sep 4 12:32 sch-scripts.if-up
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| 17:54 | rebooted server, reapplied the commands for the DNS error as shown on the ltsp-pnp page.
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| 17:56 | Tried to log in on a client as admin and a session did not start—I was just returned to the login screen.
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| 17:56 | and… got to go back to teaching, back in 2 hours…
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| 20:21 | <dgroos> looks like re-install time…
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| 22:52 | <dgroos> re-installed 14.04.3, re-installed ltsp-pnp, and also added the improved ltsp-image-update files plus the bonus file: /etc/network/if-up.d/sch-scripts.
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| 22:52 | I’ve done nothing else to the fresh install.
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| 22:54 | The client boots! I can log in to the client with my admin account, I can ping 8.8.8.8, but can’t ping google.com. Therefore I figure a dns problem…
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| 22:55 | So, to check I put my laptop on the internal network, it did gain an 192.168.67.x ip AND was able to ping 8.8.8.8 AND was able to ping google.com. So, I figure dns info IS passing through on my 2 NIC server.
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| 22:56 | How can DNS info be passed through from the internal AND the client not be able to get DNS service to ping google.com? Any ideas?
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| 23:22 | <dgroos> added district’s dns server to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head on the server, restarted network and dns, re-built image and client boots, admin account logs in, and from client can ping google.com :-)
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