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Channel log from 14 July 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:57 | <nutron> Does my user have to belong to the audio group on the server?
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| 00:58 | 'ello?
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| 01:00 | hmm and i get a cannot mount volume error when i plug in a usb stick. org.freedesktop.dbus.error.accessdenied. I don't understand who's permissions i need to set to what..? this is on the thin client
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| 01:08 | <map7> My date/time is wrong on all my thin clients. It's out by 22hrs on every one. The time is correct in the BIOs though and it's set for this country when I check with 'date -R' in a localapps xterm session.
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| 01:08 | What else could be effecting my date on my thin clients?
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| 01:09 | It's very annoying as when a person sends an email from thunderbird (running as a local app) it turns up with the wrong date.
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| 01:09 | but if they send using thunderbird (server app) it's fine.
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| 01:10 | <alkisg> nutron: is that lucid?
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| 01:10 | map7: do you use a timeserver in lts.conf?
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| 01:11 | <map7> yes it's lucid
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| 01:11 | no time server is set in lts.conf
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| 01:11 | <alkisg> TIMEZONE=Europe/Athens
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| 01:11 | TIMESERVER=91.189.94.4
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| 01:11 | Try similar to those
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| 01:12 | (the ip is the ubuntu ntp server, so you can keep that)
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| 01:12 | nutron: it's best if they *don't* belong to the audio group on the server
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| 01:13 | <map7> alkisg, I'm in Melbourne Australia so would I set the TIMEZONE to Australia/Melbourne
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| 01:13 | <alkisg> map7: ls -R /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/zoneinfo/posix
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| 01:14 | Australia/Melbourne sounds right, yeah...
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| 01:17 | <map7> alkisg, I've rebooted my thin client and it's still wrong
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| 01:19 | alkisg, I notice that my chroot image for the thin client doesn't have the ntpdate program, does it need that installed?
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| 01:20 | <muppis> I think it should be.
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| 01:21 | <alkisg> root@alkis:/# LANG=C aptitude why ntpdate
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| 01:21 | i ubuntu-minimal Depends ntpdate
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| 01:21 | Urm, shouldn't you have ubuntu-minimal installed? But yeah, ntpdate is required.
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| 01:21 | <map7> ah, it's not in the path
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| 01:21 | it's under /usr/sbin
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| 01:23 | I'm thinking it maybe a firewall problem
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| 01:23 | <alkisg> ntpdate $TIMESERVER; hwclock --systohc --utc --noadjfile
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| 01:23 | That's what ltsp-init-common does - try to run those from a SCREEN_02=shell
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| 01:24 | (replace TIMESERVER with the actual IP)
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| 01:28 | <map7> alkisg, That works in screen 2
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| 01:30 | <alkisg> map7: In screen 2, try: getlts.cfg -a
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| 01:30 | sorry
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| 01:30 | getltscfg -a
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| 01:31 | Does that show you the TIMESERVER etc settings from lts.conf?
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| 01:32 | <map7> yes it does
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| 01:33 | could ldm be doing something to the date?
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| 01:34 | <alkisg> map7: so... if you run those commands, does ldm then show the correct date?
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| 01:34 | <map7> alkisg, this time when I boot and login to the GUI the time is correct
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| 01:34 | yes
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| 01:34 | <alkisg> The time is "remembered" across boots
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| 01:35 | So I believe that if you manually set the wrong time and reboot, it'll be kept
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| 01:35 | <map7> maybe that's what happened
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| 01:35 | I don't remember doing anything like that though
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| 01:35 | <alkisg> No I didn't mean that
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| 01:35 | <map7> do I have to do that per machine
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| 01:36 | <alkisg> I mean that it's not working properly, and now it's only working because you set it manually
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| 01:36 | So you still have a problem to solve there
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| 01:36 | No you shouldn't have to do that per machine
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| 01:37 | <map7> alkisg, So I just rebooted my TC and it works
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| 01:37 | <alkisg> map7: do another test: in screen 2 set the wrong time, and run hwclock --systohc --utc --noadjfile
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| 01:37 | Then reboot. If it still has the wrong time, then it's either a local problem or an upstream bug
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| 01:38 | (or, boot another client and see if it gets the correct time)
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| 01:40 | <map7> just rebooting now
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| 01:41 | After a reboot it's still the wrong time
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| 01:41 | so it remembered what I set
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| 01:41 | <alkisg> So the ltsp init scripts are not working for you
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| 01:41 | How are the clients accessing the internet?
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| 01:41 | Through NAT on the server?
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| 01:41 | <map7> yes NAT
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| 01:42 | I've got an inhouse time server
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| 01:42 | so I've set the timeserver to that
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| 01:42 | and still have the problem
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| 01:42 | <alkisg> Let me recheck here locally that everything is working ok...
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| 01:45 | <map7> would the problem be that the call in ltsp-init-common doesn't include the full path to ntpdate
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| 01:45 | as my path doesn't include /usr/sbin
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| 01:45 | for some reason
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| 01:46 | <alkisg> Yup, all working here.
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| 01:46 | <map7> line 254 of my ltsp-init-common
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| 01:46 | <alkisg> map7: the root path in screen_02?
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| 01:46 | or the user path from ltsp-localapps xterm?
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| 01:47 | <map7> just checked the path in screen_02 and that's correct
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| 01:47 | so it's only for the user that /usr/sbin isn't in the path
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| 01:47 | <alkisg> can you post your lts.conf ?
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| 01:47 | <map7> when I run ltsp-localapps xterm that is
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| 01:47 | <alkisg> Or the result from getltscfg -a?
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| 01:47 | !pastebot
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| 01:47 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 01:48 | <map7> http://pastie.org/1043675
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| 01:49 | 192.168.200.1 is my local timeserver
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| 01:51 | <alkisg> It looks good... well the only thing I can tell you now is to try to debug ltsp-init-common itself
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| 01:51 | E.g.:
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| 01:51 | # Set up timeserver
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| 01:51 | if [ -n "$TIMESERVER" ]; then
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| 01:51 | echo "I'm going to run: ntpdate $TIMESERVER; hwclock --systohc --utc --noadjfile"
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| 01:51 | (ntpdate $TIMESERVER; hwclock --systohc --utc --noadjfile) &
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| 01:51 | fi
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| 01:51 | erm sorry, I also wanted to put:
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| 01:52 | echo "Have a shell and try it yourself:"
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| 01:52 | /bin/sh
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| 01:52 | (right after the first echo)
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| 01:52 | Then ltsp-update-image etc
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| 01:52 | <map7> Thanks I'll start there.
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| 01:53 | I'll make a backup first :)
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| 01:53 | <alkisg> map7: or better yet, but those 3 extra commands after the actual ntpdate call, so that you can check if it's succesful before runing it manually
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| 01:54 | <map7> yep that's what I've done
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| 01:54 | <alkisg> ok
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| 01:55 | <map7> ok i've built the image
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| 01:55 | here goes
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| 01:57 | ok now it will not boot as it's just stuck on the Ubuntu screen.
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| 01:58 | <alkisg> Ah, remove quiet splash from pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 01:58 | So that you actually see the shell there
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| 01:58 | /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 02:00 | <nutron> alkisg
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| 02:00 | you still here?
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| 02:01 | <map7> alkisg, ok now I see that it's set to the correct time there
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| 02:01 | alkisg, but it doesn't drop me to a shell for some reason it just sits there
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| 02:03 | <alkisg> map7: uh, maybe the keyboard module is not yet working or something
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| 02:03 | But is it the correct time because it was previously correct? Or did it actually set the correct time there?
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| 02:04 | <map7> I can swap VT's with Ctrl+alt+<function key> but there is no shell prompt to be seen
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| 02:04 | <alkisg> Yeah it's too early in the boot process to get a shell
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| 02:04 | (before upstart keyboard would work at that point though)
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| 02:05 | <map7> so i'll set the time to something wrong, then reboot with our modifications and see if it fixes the time
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| 02:05 | <alkisg> Right
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| 02:05 | <map7> if it does then it doesn't make any sense
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| 02:05 | <alkisg> Right again :)
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| 02:08 | <muppis> As I have an obsession to xbmc, have anyone tried to run it in TC?
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| 02:09 | <map7> muppis no but I run mythtv on many diskless TC's
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| 02:09 | (7 off the one server)
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| 02:10 | <nutron> map7: really, that's awesome.
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| 02:10 | <map7> yes I'm just upgrading the server so that it can handle 12 TC's
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| 02:10 | <muppis> map7, well.. I'm just planning to run 2 xbmc's and vdr as a backend in ltsp -server.
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| 02:11 | <map7> they are on a Gigabit switch with an Intel X25-M SSD in the server
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| 02:11 | <nutron> alkisg: do you know which package allows users to unmount drives? (I remember seeing some commentary on the LOCAL DEV variable), it's a users and groups application for gnome I think, though I don't know what it's called :)
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| 02:11 | <map7> muppis, I don't see why it wouldn't work. I would recommend a gigabit switch though
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| 02:12 | <nutron> map7: that's pretty cool, I'll have to play with it to see what I get. Simple administration.
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| 02:13 | <map7> nutron, when you create your ltsp client images there are mythtv options in there, you need to use these
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| 02:13 | I think it builds a 'fat client'
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| 02:13 | <nutron> map7: oh? options in where?
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| 02:13 | <muppis> map7, yes, that wouldn't hurt. As now I randomly watch live-tv over wlan and it work well, so maybe gigabit would overkill for now.
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| 02:13 | <nutron> oh you're using mythbuntu?
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| 02:14 | <alkisg> nutron: what drives? ltspfsd driver like usb sticks?
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| 02:14 | <map7> nutron, yes on my mythtv server
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| 02:14 | <nutron> ahh, must be done for you mostly, I'm using debian, should be more exciting to set up.
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| 02:15 | map7: what version of myth is mythbuntu at?
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| 02:15 | <map7> 0.23 or you can opt to run 0.24 with the latest patches
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| 02:15 | I run 0.23 with the latest patches
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| 02:15 | with Autobuild it's quite good
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| 02:16 | alkisg, I changed the date, rebooted with my mods and ltsp-init script fixed the date, go figure???
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| 02:18 | nutron, you should be able to install the muthbuntu diskless server/client packages under debian though
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| 02:18 | <alkisg> map7: yup, it makes no sense unless it's a race condition (some times working and some not, depending on the loaded modules etc)
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| 02:19 | map7: try to put a "sleep 10" before the ntpdate call inside the parentheses, and leave it at that...
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| 02:20 | <map7> alkisg, yeah it's weird. Thanks for you help at least I know how to fix it manually if it happens again.
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| 02:20 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 02:20 | nutron: I'll be gone for some time, so if you want to answer about the drives (ltspfsd or not) you can find me later.
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| 02:21 | <nutron> drives?
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| 02:21 | did you ask me a... oh
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| 02:21 | heh
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| 02:21 | yeah usb-sticks
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| 02:21 | I'm looking into gconf. As all of my users are in ldap, and it doesn't give me an option to allow gnome to unmount the drive
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| 02:33 | <nutron> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices there's an image near the bottom about fuse devices.... I don't have this in debian, what program is this?
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| 04:11 | <alkisg> nutron: like a told you some days ago, you're not supposed to unmount usb sticks - just pull them off after 2 seconds of inactivity
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| 04:12 | ltspfsd flushes written data every 2 seconds
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| 06:51 | <Blinny> alkisg: Morning! In further PXE/gPXE developments, I believe it may be a race issue. On gPXE it successfully boots about 3 out of every 5 times. When it doesn't, it exhibits the same problems as 'normal' PXE -- and I suspect gPXE is doing a normal PXE boot too, because it looks for all the pxelinux.cfg/ files
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| 07:03 | <alkisg> Hi Blinny. Yes, gPXE is doing a normal PXE. If I were you I wouldn't be wasting any more time on this, I'd try with a Lucid chroot instead.
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| 07:04 | As it might indeed be a race issue which might take you a long time to solve and which is solved already in newer versions.
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| 07:05 | You can find a lucid chroot in the edubuntu dvd, you don't need to install lucid to try it.
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| 07:07 | (you can have a lucid chroot on a karmic server, you don't need to upgrade the server)
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| 07:40 | <Blinny> alkisg: What about Lucid chroot on a Hardy server?
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| 07:43 | For some reason I had it in my head that gPXE did etherboot.
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| 07:55 | <alkisg> Blinny: sure you can run a Lucid chroot on a Hardy server (afaik). gPXE is the successor of the etherboot project, ran by the same people.
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| 08:29 | <Blinny> Anyone have a howto for running a lucid chroot on a hardy server?
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| 08:52 | <dobber> on my thin client i can't create unix sockets
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| 08:52 | as use
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| 08:52 | as user
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| 08:52 | how can i allow this
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| 08:55 | <alkisg> On a process running on the serveR?
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| 08:56 | or on a localapp running with a sshfs home dir?
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| 08:57 | <dobber> http://pastebin.com/Uwq7FbeA
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| 08:57 | localapp
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| 09:00 | <alkisg> Try putting SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS=False in lts.conf
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| 09:02 | <dobber> ok let me reboot
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| 09:09 | <dobber> still the same message
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| 09:10 | <alkisg> I think it should be working this way. If it doesn't, then you'd need to use NFS instead of SSHFS.
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| 09:10 | <dobber> well i worked last week
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| 09:10 | before the latest package update
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| 09:10 | now, i can't start chrome
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| 09:10 | <alkisg> chrome update?
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| 09:11 | <dobber> chromium
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| 09:11 | its a local app
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| 09:12 | <alkisg> If chromium no longer works over sshfs, there's not much LTSP localapps can do... Downgrade? Use nfs instead? Something like that...
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| 09:13 | <dobber> yeah, i downgraded but it still behaves strangly
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| 09:16 | strange thing is
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| 09:16 | if i run chromium-browser as root
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| 09:16 | it runs ok
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| 09:16 | <alkisg> root isn't using sshfs...
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| 09:16 | So that's not strange, it's expected :)
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| 09:18 | <dobber> ok, so how do i switch to nfs ?
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| 09:21 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients#NFS_HOME
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| 09:22 | Keep in mind that that decreases security
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| 09:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: are you familiar with mknbi/mkelf issues with old etherboot clients?
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| 09:34 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: I heard about them, but ever since I discovered gpxe I've never used etherboot anymore, so I haven't looked for any solutions...
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| 09:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: Yeah, I have some older clients I would like to get working with etherboot that are not capable of gpxe, and am having a problem getting them to boot.
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| 09:35 | <alkisg> I read the reports, I just don't use etherboot so I haven't tested it at all.
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| 14:48 | <scribs_johnson> I've setup ltsp with Ubuntu Lucid. I'm new at this, but I've got clients up and logging on fine. Server kept crashing so I installed Nvidia proprietary drivers, which fixed the crashing. But installing Nvidia drivers has resulted in clients behaving strangely... fonts are upside down (same as this blogger found... http://arkienet.com/blog/2010/04/ubuntu-10-04-upgrade-results-in-upside-down-fonts/ . If I remove the nvidia drivers for
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| 14:48 | server, the clients go back to normal. If the clients and server are completely different hardware, why would installing nvidia drivers for the server effect the clients? And how do I end up with Nvidia drivers installed for the server, but not change the clients?
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> !compiz
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| 14:51 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> scribs_johnson: ^^^
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| 14:52 | <scribs_johnson> excellent... I understand. Thanks :)
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> See here for the long story: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/441586
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| 14:53 | <scribs_johnson> ta
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| 14:55 | that explains it... and that is exactly my problem. Excellent.
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| 15:24 | <Lns> alkisg: if you had a nickel for every question you answered here... :)
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| 15:51 | <Blinny> heh
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| 15:51 | One more for you: Any public HOWTO for running a Lucid chroot from a Hardy server?
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| 15:52 | Or do I simply pull ltsp-server-standalone from a Lucid repo and pray?
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| 15:59 | <Blinny> Ah, hellwithit.
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| 16:37 | <nutron> while I can't possibly claim that I fully understand how local apps truly work (the home dir is fuse mounted ..etc), but is the server's /usr/ somehow fuse mounted? for example, in firefox, if I want to load a pdf, evince is not available, this is normal, but can I make evince on the server available to the local app?
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| 17:34 | <nickelone> Good afternoon, I have a question..... I have 1 ltsp server set up (Ubuntu 10.4 from the alternate cd), and have the image set up to do ldap authentication. I am able to log into the client via ssh without any problem, however, when trying to log into gdm, I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/45B0Lg4v
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| 17:34 | there is also an error on the screen about glib and a similar error
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| 21:34 | <vagrantc> nutron: regarding your localapps question, the simplest way to make a localapp available to the thin clients is to install it in the thin-client's chroot. mounting the server's /usr, while theoretically possible, looses nearly all of the advantages of package management, in particular, assuring that package dependencies are properly satisfied
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| 21:34 | which gets really important for dependencies on shared libraries and the likes
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| 22:27 | <nutron> Can I specify the driver for x in lts.conf?
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| 22:34 | n/m i found it... was looking at an old man page
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| 22:48 | <vagrantc> must have been *really* old...
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