IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 1 February 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:27 | <jernst> ogra: hi, do you know if X_VIDEORAM should be working in muekow (edgy) ?
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| 04:38 | <jernst> ok I've done the test X_VIDEORAM doesn't work as expected
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| 05:52 | <cliebow> nofxx:i WILL LOOK AT SCHOOL..I HAVE AN OPEN INITRAMFS
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| 05:52 | whoops
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| 06:45 | <rafiks> hello!
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| 06:46 | <Jenna> hi rafiks
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| 06:46 | <rafiks> i have ltsp 4.1 setup ..question ..I got weird characters in my xterm..where do i setup my locale? in the TC or the server?
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| 06:50 | <Jenna> lts.conf
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| 06:55 | <rafiks> i don't see it..
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| 07:03 | <vlt> Hello. any chance to get an old Macintosh LC II (Motorola 64k 16 MHz, max. 10 MB RAM) running as LTSP client (just for the fun of it)?
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| 07:09 | <Jenna> rafiks, : locate/ find . my guess is its in ur /opt/lts../.../../etc/lts.conf
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| 07:21 | <cliebow_> nofxx:left my lapptop home..with the instructions..
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| 08:20 | <vlt> Is there an easier way to vnc to a client's session than running `x11vnc -display :6` *on the client*? Something using less net bandwidth when connecting *from* the server itself?
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| 09:55 | <efra> Hi everbody
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| 10:04 | <Mighty-D> Hi, can some one help me?, i need to get a server for ten machines, will a monoproccessor box fit?
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| 10:04 | <petre> Mighty-D: yes, provided it's a decent processor and has sufficient RAM
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| 10:06 | <Mighty-D> i was thinking in core 2 duo with 2 gb ram ... i need this to work pretty good, i can't make mistakes of sizing with this client...
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| 10:07 | <Mighty-D> petre?
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| 10:07 | i was thinking in core 2 duo with 2 gb ram ... i need this to work pretty good, i can't make mistakes of sizing with this client...
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| 10:07 | <petre> sorry, just accidently killed my session
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| 10:07 | <Mighty-D> np, lol
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| 10:08 | <petre> That should handle 10-16 clients easily, perhaps 20
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| 10:08 | depends on the apps the users are running
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| 10:08 | how many different apps simultaneously, etc.
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| 10:08 | <Mighty-D> ok, do you know if i can get a core 2 duo with intel mobo 965 series to work with slack?, is there any modules issue?
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| 10:09 | <petre> I haven't used slack in years, but it was always solid for me back in the day
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| 10:09 | but that was pre-LTSP for me
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| 10:09 | nevertheless, you shouldn't have any issues
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| 10:09 | The LTSP stuff is all for the clients
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| 10:10 | <Mighty-D> i know.. but if slack can't get the mobo to work properly i'll be without server
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| 10:10 | <petre> check the slack forums
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| 10:10 | or google for your mobo and linux
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| 10:11 | The issues I usually run into are getting the kernel to see the sata drive and the NIC
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| 10:11 | But I usually use Fedora
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| 10:11 | <Mighty-D> k12?
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| 10:11 | <petre> yes
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| 10:12 | Compaq's NICs are usually Marvel chips lately
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| 10:12 | <Mighty-D> ok, i'll check it out...
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| 10:12 | <petre> which are notorius for being difficult
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| 10:12 | <Mighty-D> thanks a lot
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| 10:50 | <jammcq> SCOTTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 11:44 | <cliebow_> jammcq:check yoy mail
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| 12:59 | <dan__t> hi
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| 14:15 | <Mighty-D> Hi, have you used intel G965 Mobo on linux?
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| 14:15 | i've heard of JMicron (or something) for PATA, is this JM... supported ?
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| 14:59 | <monteslu_> hey guys, anyone ever have /etc/mtab give I/O errors ?
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| 15:00 | my main ltsp server is hosed right now... fsck show the filesystem clean, but I can't access that file even as root
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| 15:04 | <sbalneav> monteslu_: Probably you've got some disk corruption there.
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| 15:04 | <monteslu_> sbalneav, I think so, but fsck doesnt show anything
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| 15:04 | i can't rename or delete the file
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| 15:04 | <dan__t> So here's a dumb one, more linux-centric - what would cause numerical UIDs to show up in utilities like ps? Some show numerical UIDs, others show their textual represented value from /etc/passwd just fine.
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| 15:05 | <sbalneav> Maybe it's been marked immutable?
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| 15:05 | <monteslu_> how would I check that?
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| 15:05 | <sbalneav> Ummmm....
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| 15:05 | Looking
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| 15:05 | <dan__t> lsattr would show it, iirc
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| 15:06 | <sbalneav> lsattr
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| 15:06 | <dan__t> Yes, just checked - lsattr will show that.
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| 15:06 | <sbalneav> doh.
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| 15:07 | <monteslu_> lsattr: Input/output error while trying to stat /etc/mtab
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| 15:07 | <dan__t> Interesting.
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| 15:07 | Are you doing this from a client?
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| 15:07 | <sbalneav> How are you checking this filesystem? It's not currently MOUNTED now, is it?
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| 15:07 | <monteslu_> im on a client ssh'd in
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| 15:08 | it is currently mounted
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| 15:08 | <sbalneav> fsck'ing a mounted filesystem == bad.
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| 15:08 | <monteslu_> i went in with a sysrescd, and got the same result
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| 15:08 | <dan__t> The client mounts /etc ro, right?
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| 15:08 | <monteslu_> no, i didn't fsck while mounted
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| 15:08 | <sbalneav> then how did you ssh in? /etc's on / usually
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| 15:08 | <monteslu_> actually I've got a two ltsp server, 1 smbldap server setup
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| 15:09 | <sbalneav> how do you ssh into a machine with no / mounter?
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| 15:09 | <monteslu_> I'm sshed in now
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| 15:09 | <sbalneav> mounted.
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| 15:09 | HOW did you fsck the filesystem, then?
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| 15:09 | <monteslu_> with a system rescue cd
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| 15:10 | sysresccd.org
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| 15:10 | i didn't fsck while it was mounted
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| 15:10 | i then rebooted and its / is mounted, but the file is still having problems
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| 15:10 | fsck never reported any erros
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| 15:11 | <sbalneav> Then that would indicate that either the fsck didn't work.
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| 15:11 | Or, you've got something really weird going on.
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| 15:11 | <monteslu_> i had to reboot to log in from my secondary ltsp server, as it is the one with the problem is the primary server with dhcp
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| 15:12 | I've got something really wierd going on :)
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| 15:13 | the main ltsp server(the one with the problem) won't do an NFS mount to the smbldap server because it errors when trying to read /etc/mtab
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| 15:13 | the manifestation is that users pointed to ltsp1 don't get a home directory
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| 15:14 | <sbalneav> You have backups, I presume?
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| 15:14 | <monteslu_> I've somehow got to fix this file, or I'm rebuilding the server. That would be bad, because teachers are trying to do their grades right now
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| 15:14 | sure, backups of home directories
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| 15:14 | but the smblap server is doing fine
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| 15:14 | just the main ltsp server with the problem
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| 15:15 | <monteslu_> I guess I could re-address the secondary as the main, and then have all 65 workstations got to the single server, but that would suck
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| 15:15 | <sbalneav> I'd boot the server off the rescue cd, mount it, and try to delete it that way.
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| 15:15 | <monteslu_> tried that
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| 15:15 | i/o error
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| 15:16 | <sbalneav> what KIND of io error exactly?
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| 15:16 | Are you getting kernel messages from dmesg?
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| 15:16 | <monteslu_> [root@ltsp1 ~]# cat /etc/mtab
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| 15:16 | cat: /etc/mtab: Input/output error
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| 15:16 | I'll check dmesg
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| 15:18 | nothing interesting in dmesg that I can tell
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| 15:19 | a little more info... There was a power outage yesterady, this box isn't behind a ups. I'm sure there is corruption, and I have another mtab file I can use, but I'm not able to replace the broken one
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| 15:20 | also the file is on hadware mirror, its a dell server and / is /dev/hda3
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| 15:20 | errr... /dev/sda3
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| 15:22 | <knight> Hi all
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| 15:22 | <monteslu_> maybe I should copy everything else in /etc to say /somewhereelse/etc
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| 15:22 | mv /etc to /etc old
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| 15:23 | then, symlink /etc to /somewherelese/etc ?
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| 15:23 | <knight> I have an error with nfs not mounting the root ddirectory
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| 15:23 | i am using ubuntu
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| 15:23 | nfs is running
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| 15:23 | and /etc/exports is setup
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| 15:23 | by default
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| 15:24 | I am using ltsp 4.2
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| 15:25 | <sbalneav> monteslu_: That wouldn't work.
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| 15:25 | <monteslu_> why?
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| 15:25 | <sbalneav> mtab is a generated file, so simply getting it removed would fix the problem.
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| 15:26 | Symlinking etc might have unintended consequences.
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| 15:26 | <monteslu_> but i can't remove it. even with a sysresccd
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| 15:27 | <sbalneav> Actually, let me rephrase, symlinking etc might work, might not, but I couldn't guarentee.
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| 15:28 | have you tried putting in the drive in a different machine?
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| 15:28 | Perhaps the problem's on the mobo.
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| 15:28 | <monteslu_> could be, but check this out.... I copied /etc to /mnt, the renamed /etc, then mkdir /etc and copied the contents the new /etc
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| 15:28 | mtab gone!
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| 15:29 | <sbalneav> that's not comforting.
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| 15:29 | <monteslu_> not at all
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| 15:29 | <sbalneav> Are all the perms/oweners the same?
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| 15:29 | <monteslu_> and the /etcold still has the problems
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| 15:29 | no idea
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| 15:29 | about permissions... yet
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| 15:29 | ls
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| 15:29 | err..
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| 15:30 | looks like they stayed the same
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| 15:30 | gonna bounce the server and check :)
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| 15:31 | <monteslu_> I really got get some UPSs in here
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| 15:31 | <sbalneav> That, and at least raid 1 for the servers :)
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| 15:31 | <monteslu_> I'm just volunteering for this school, don't need time wasters like this
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| 15:31 | they do all have raid1
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| 15:32 | nevermind, not this one
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| 15:32 | <sbalneav> :)
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| 15:32 | <monteslu_> actually it does have raid1, in hardware.. linux recognizes it as /dev/sda
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| 15:32 | the smbldap has a 3ware card
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| 15:33 | <sbalneav> 3ware = good
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| 15:33 | <monteslu_> yup.. dell = shitebag
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| 15:33 | <monteslu_> at least that's my mantra now that I've gotten this wierd error
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| 15:35 | uh oh, smartd seg faulted
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| 15:35 | maybe permissions weren't quite right
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| 15:36 | do I need smartd ?
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| 15:43 | <monteslu_> wooohooo!!!! were back
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| 15:43 | thanks much, sbalneav
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| 15:43 | <sbalneav> NP
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| 15:45 | <monteslu_> gonna upgrade these servers soon, so I'll just pretend that /etcold isn't hosed
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| 15:57 | <dan__t> So what other cool toys are out there to compliment LTSP?
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| 15:57 | I don't care what it is, just want to see what else is out there that can help someone with daily operations etc etc.
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| 16:17 | <monteslu> dan__t, you mean for schools or businesses ?
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| 16:17 | <dan__t> EIther/or.
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| 16:19 | <monteslu> well, I use a bunch of linux things. Lamp servers for things like joomla, with the calendar for posting events, email, ipcop, mythtv, asterisk... on and on
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| 16:20 | mythtv is my latest toy, but as soon as I get my setup 100% worked out, I'm probably going to do big asterisk rollout at the school I volunteer at
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| 17:12 | <kaos01> whats mythtv ?
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| 17:13 | <monteslu> its not related to ltsp, but its a tivo like thing you can build with a linux box
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| 17:14 | <kaos01> tivo ?
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| 18:57 | <cliebow> J45p3r:Hey!
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| 19:15 | <jammcq> howdie
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| 19:18 | <cliebow> jammcq:@!!!!!!
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| 19:18 | get thta pic?
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| 19:19 | <jammcq> cliebow: yeah
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| 19:19 | had a good laugh
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| 19:19 | where'd you get that?
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| 19:19 | <cliebow> CDool
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| 19:20 | i found an awesome mod for smoothwall to feed pxe to clients in my satellite schools1
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| 19:20 | <jammcq> that's fine, but what about NFS ?
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| 19:20 | <cliebow> it has option root path as well
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| 19:21 | globally..best i can do for now
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| 19:21 | etherboot runs on 1001/2 so that works
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| 19:22 | <cliebow> one of my guys found the pic somewhere
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| 19:23 | gets me out of a jam for now anyway..
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| 19:23 | <jammcq> cool
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