IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 15 January 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:43 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:44 | <sbalneav> Pax Vobiscum
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| 08:44 | <vagrantc> is that what you call it
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| 08:45 | * vagrantc got sucked into another round of dgkfbsdtsp | |
| 08:45 | <sbalneav> oderint dum metuant
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| 08:45 | "let them hate, so long as they fear"
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| 08:46 | <CAN-o-SPAM> !s
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| 08:46 | <ltspbot> CAN-o-SPAM: "s" :: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:47 | * vagrantc welcomes back ltspbot | |
| 08:47 | <CAN-o-SPAM> !c
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| 08:47 | <ltspbot> CAN-o-SPAM: Error: "c" is not a valid command.
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| 08:48 | <CAN-o-SPAM> rats!
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| 08:48 | <sbalneav> Aude, Vide, Tace
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| 08:48 | "Hear, See, and be Silent"
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| 09:42 | <grey-monkey1> I'm getting a ca-certificates-java error when I tried to install openoffice (chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64 apt-get install openoffice.org). Has anyone else ran into this problem?
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| 09:50 | <mgariepy> good morning everybody !
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| 09:58 | <KaRoe> Hi, I'm running an xulrunner app on ltsp. xulrunner work the same like firefox. So whenever I reboot my client, and try to start this app I get an error saying it's already running... anybody had this with firefox?
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| 09:58 | <cliebow> anyone using neoware stuff for clients?
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| 10:07 | <sbalneav> KaRoe: Are you exiting the app before you reboot the thin client?
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| 10:07 | <alkisg> KaRoe: are you logging in with the same user from two stations simultaneously?
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| 10:08 | <KaRoe> no, I don't exit (because it's some sort of a kiosk...) and when it restarts, it's because electricity failed. Secondly it always uses the same username
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| 10:09 | The app only needs to run once on 1 client with 1 user
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| 10:09 | it get autostarted, so I used to have a script, whenever X starts, it would kill the previous process
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| 10:10 | now I'm looking for a better way to do it
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| 10:11 | <alkisg> There's an ldm option for that, to kill old sessions
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| 10:11 | It should be in lts.conf...
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| 10:11 | !lts.conf
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| 10:11 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 10:12 | <Gadi> LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION=True
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| 10:12 | <alkisg> Yet another thing missing from lts.conf :(
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| 10:13 | sbalneav: do we have lts.conf in the sf wiki somewhere, to link there instead of ubuntu's manpages?
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| 10:25 | <Pod2> Using ltsp 5 on debian, the client mouse and keyboard don't work
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| 10:25 | keyboard works fine for the bios, so that's ok
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| 10:26 | syslog on the server shows entries for the mouse and keyboard when I plug them in
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| 10:26 | but nothing when using either startx or rdesktop as the screen7 script
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| 10:27 | I've tried several different usb mice and keyboards, with and without ps2 adaptors
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| 10:27 | <sbalneav> alkisg: No, but I could probably make one.
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| 10:27 | <Pod2> exact same setup works fine in ltsp 4.2
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| 10:28 | found a message on the mailing list which suggested renaming S20ltsp-client-core to S99ltsp-client-core, but that made no difference
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| 10:29 | there are messages on bootup from udev saying "missing sysfs features"
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| 10:29 | <sbalneav> Sounds like /sys isn't getting mounted somehow
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| 10:30 | Vagrant doesn't seem to be around, he's the debian expert
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| 10:31 | which version of debian?
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| 10:32 | <Pod2> testing/squeeze
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| 10:32 | <ogra> is hal running ?
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| 10:32 | squeeze will likely need dbus and hal
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| 10:33 | <Pod2> keyboard works fine in shell mode - ps aux shows no hal processes on the client
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| 10:33 | <ogra> right, make sure to have dbus and hal installed
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| 10:33 | xorg wont work without
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| 10:34 | <Pod2> I get the login screen appearing, if that's what you mean by xorg?
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| 10:37 | <alkisg> Pod2: could you try ltsp-update-kernels to see if it helps?
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| 10:38 | <Pod2> I tried that already - forgot to mention that
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| 10:40 | I might have missed something there. Googling that now. Most of the documentation on ltsp.org seems to have gone...
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| 10:41 | <ogra> !docs
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| 10:41 | <ltspbot> ogra: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 10:42 | <Pod2> great, thanks!
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| 10:46 | <Pod2> I missed the mount /proc while in the chroot earlier. Trying it again now
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| 11:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> has anybody set up squid to work with usernames in an LTSP environment?
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| 11:03 | <Pod2> updated 150 or so packages in the chroot, ran ltsp-update-kernel and ltsp-update-image as per instructions, rebooted client and no difference, lol
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| 11:04 | still getting the udev error(s) during boot:
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| 11:04 | udev: missing sysfs features; please update the kernel or disable the kernel's CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED option
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| 11:10 | <kusznir> Hi all: I have a ubuntu 9.04 ltsp server, and I just got more or less forced into upgrading from inetd to xinetd. I coverted my /etc/inetd.conf file into the /etc/xinetd.conf file format, restarted xinetd.conf, but now it appears my disk is not readable.
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| 11:10 | <Appiah> server disk?
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| 11:10 | <kusznir> Is there any known tricks/techniques for converting to xinetd on ubuntu 9.04? (And I suppose that also begs the question why it depends on inetd instead of xinetd to begin with...)
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| 11:11 | Err...Sorry..nbd export: client's network-mounted "disk".
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| 11:11 | <Appiah> I dont see how disk and inetd/xinetd goes
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| 11:11 | <kusznir> My server's disk is fine :)
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| 11:11 | My clients no longer see their root fs, which is nbd-mounted from my server.
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| 11:11 | <ogra> kusznir, xinetd has licensing issues
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| 11:11 | <Appiah> oh
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| 11:11 | <ogra> thats why ubuntu and debian dont distribute it as default
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| 11:11 | <johnny> ubuntu doesn't use xinetd at all
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| 11:12 | openbsd-inetd
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| 11:12 | is the package
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| 11:12 | <ogra> right
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| 11:12 | <kusznir> ogra: like what? Every other OS I've used for the past ~8 years has shipped with xinetd instead of inetd...
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| 11:12 | <johnny> kusznir, irrelevant
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| 11:12 | <ogra> google is your friend :)
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| 11:12 | <johnny> ubuntu uses openbsd-inetd by default.. all the scripts for ltsp in ubuntu are for openbsd-inetd
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| 11:12 | the ones hat get installed in the package that is
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| 11:12 | <kusznir> Hmm..it was in its repos...I installed another package, and it sucked in xinetd, replaced openbsd-inetd....Actually, there didn't seem to be much of a way to abort the process :(
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| 11:12 | <Ahmuck-Sr> evil can not be a friend
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| 11:12 | <johnny> /me is guessing its' a debian thing
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| 11:13 | <ogra> kusznir, let me guess, vmware :)
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| 11:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> that was weird. Johnny: how did /me not work for you?
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| 11:13 | <johnny> bug in the transport potentially..
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| 11:13 | <kusznir> Actually amanda-client (modern versions; the default version in the repo is ancient and doesn't work with my existing amanda backup infastructure)
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| 11:13 | <johnny> _UsUrPeR_, i don't connect with a regular IRC client
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| 11:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh
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| 11:14 | <johnny> i use an xmpp <-> transport
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| 11:14 | er xmpp <-> irc transport
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| 11:14 | * ogra doesnt see a dep on xinetd in amanda-client | |
| 11:14 | <johnny> and the one i'm currently using is called spectrum.. and it's going through some serious changes atm.. so some stuff is breaking _UsUrPeR_
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| 11:14 | <johnny> _UsUrPeR_, it's based on libpurple.. so it works with most things libpurple/pidgin supports
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| 11:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: huh. I do enjoy pidgin. I'll have to check it out once it stabilizes
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| 11:15 | <ogra> kusznir, well, but you are free to port all the ltsp related entries from inetd.conf to xinetd indeed :)
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| 11:16 | <johnny> _UsUrPeR_, if you enjoy pidgin.. you wouldn't need spectrum
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| 11:16 | spectrum is for xmpp only clients
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| 11:16 | it's a server side component
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| 11:16 | or most useful for xmpp only clients anyways..
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| 11:17 | it allows those of us with such clients to talk to people on other networks
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| 11:17 | <kusznir> ogra: will I run into long-term problems if I just port the inetd.conf enteries into xinetd.conf-style ones?
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| 11:17 | <johnny> you'll loose upgrades
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| 11:17 | if we ever make them
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| 11:17 | also the instructions will stop making sense :)
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| 11:17 | since they will all reference the other
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| 11:17 | but other than that
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| 11:17 | <ogra> and changes by scripts that change inetd.conf need to be made manually
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| 11:18 | <johnny> upgrades to the config files that is
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| 11:18 | <kusznir> Or for that matter, can I downgrade back to inetd and somehow tell apt that xinetd dependancy is met with inetd so it will stop trying to replace inetd with xinetd?
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| 11:18 | <ogra> kusznir, http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses btw
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| 11:18 | <johnny> kusznir, that's probably a better solution, but then you'll loose xinetd scxript upgrades to whatever pulled in xinetd
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| 11:18 | <ogra> if the third-party app you installed pulls it in with a hard dep you cant convince apt
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| 11:18 | <johnny> best solution is to contact the package author and tell them to provide a standard entry for inetd.conf
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| 11:19 | /me pokes ogra (that is the best solution right)
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| 11:19 | <ogra> ask the people who packaged the amanda-client you use to fix it to use a more loosely dependency chain
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| 11:19 | <kusznir> I have already made the entry for inetd.conf for the amanda package, its just apt auto-removes inetd and replaces it with xinetd....I didn't even get a chance to tell it not to....
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| 11:19 | <johnny> kusznir, you'll have to get them to fix it
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| 11:19 | and stop bein dumb
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| 11:20 | them i mean :)
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| 11:20 | <kusznir> And apt refused to do any more installs/operations until the issue was resolved.
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| 11:20 | <johnny> oops.. that's breaking the CoC
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| 11:20 | <ogra> johnny, doesnt apply here ;)
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| 11:20 | <johnny> kusznir, that's exactly normal
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| 11:20 | ogra, good principles in any case.
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| 11:21 | kusznir, submit a bug into launchpad
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| 11:21 | err
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| 11:21 | whatever the debian bug tracker is called
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| 11:21 | or .. whoever packages it
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| 11:21 | <ogra> kusznir, usually your package should have something like Depends: "xinetd | inet-superserver" ... if your amanda-client package doesnt have that, its a bug in this package and needs to be fixed by whoever packaged it in a broken way
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| 11:22 | the pipe tells apt to accept to use other inetd servers
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| 11:22 | <johnny> yep..
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| 11:22 | looks like OR
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| 11:22 | <ogra> right
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| 11:26 | <Pod2> LMAO - installed another couple of hundred updated packages. It's using kernel 2.6.30 (instead of 2.6.26) which appears to fix the udev errors and the client boots *much* faster now
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| 11:26 | still no mouse of keyboard though!
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| 11:27 | <Pod2> I'll quite happily admit I'm doing something stupid - just not sure what
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| 11:32 | <Gadi> Pod2: http://www.nubae.com/logs/ltsp20090914_pg3.html
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| 11:32 | according to vagrant back in september, you should use sid
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| 11:32 | :)
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| 11:33 | <Pod2> thanks
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| 11:34 | bit of a problem though :(
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| 11:34 | <Gadi> a good "googling" trick (since we do answer lots of questions in this channel, is to google: site:nubae.com <search term>
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| 11:34 | <Gadi> well, wait for vagrantc
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| 11:34 | <Pod2> I was going to ask how you found that
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| 11:34 | <Gadi> he might know better
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| 11:34 | I did: site:nubae.com debian mouse and keyboard
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| 11:35 | <alkisg> I wonder if we can also move the logs to the sf ltsp site... :)
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| 11:36 | <Pod2> if you start a client to shell mode, can you manually start x or rdesktop from there?
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| 11:36 | the equivalent of /etc/screen.d/startx in 4.2
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| 11:49 | <kusznir> So, it turns out that xinetd would have worked as a drop-in replacement for inetd if the ltsp scripts would have added a name/port mapping to /etc/services and used the name in the inetd.conf file. xinetd.conf does read inetd.conf and will add those services as long as it can map them in /etc/services.
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| 11:49 | (and the services are specified by name, not by number)
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| 12:13 | <knipwim> johnny: did you have any thoughts on how to implement an ltsp profile?
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| 12:14 | <johnny> not particularly, i'm not exactly sure how difficult it is these days
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| 12:14 | <knipwim> not very
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| 12:14 | i made some profile files already
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| 12:14 | and that works
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| 12:14 | the question is, where in the install to implement them
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| 12:15 | is there a Gentoo function to install a profile from an overlay?
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| 12:15 | <johnny> it's in the install docs
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| 12:15 | <knipwim> or should the profile be in the upstream files
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| 12:15 | <johnny> isn't there some eselect ?
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| 12:16 | <knipwim> yes
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| 12:16 | eselect profile
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| 12:16 | <johnny> then that is probably the recommended way, i don't think quickstart has a way to do it internally
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| 12:16 | profile should be in the overlay
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| 12:16 | <knipwim> okay
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| 12:16 | <johnny> since it will be searched
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| 12:16 | or at least i think so..
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| 12:17 | <knipwim> technically, it could be copied when installing the client
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| 12:17 | not the cleanest option
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| 12:17 | <johnny> well.. see if the profile shows up in the list if you put it in the overlay portdir and list it in eselect
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| 12:18 | <knipwim> check, will do ...
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| 12:19 | <alincoln> is this problem known?: before listing anything in LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS, i create a user and log in. i log that user off, then go back and enter, say, firefox in LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS. if I log back on as the original user, i don't see the menu/panel shortcuts changed to 'xprop...'. but if i create a new user, the new user sees the firefox shortcut just right, with 'xprop...'. seems that the first user has a firefox.desktop
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| 12:19 | woah, long line. sorry.
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> alincoln: if a user has a .desktop file in their ~/.config/... directory, it will supercede LOCAL_APPS_MENU
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| 12:23 | <alkisg> alincoln: lts.conf is read on every client reboot, so if you modify it without rebooting the client you won't see any changes...
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| 12:24 | <alincoln> alkisg: always rebooted after changing lts.conf. that wasn't clear in my line above.
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| 12:25 | <alkisg> OK, I saw log off/on that's why I said that. Check what Gadi said.
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| 13:32 | <jelly-bean1> after using LOCAL_APPS=Y
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| 13:32 | firefox cannot see the printers
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| 13:32 | but if you go System > Printers from gnome-panel, you can see the printers
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| 13:32 | they just dont show up from Firefox > Print
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| 13:32 | Firefox > File > Print
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| 13:33 | <johnny> they are no longer local to the server anymore
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| 13:33 | i'm not sure how to solve.. i just know why you're getting the issue
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| 13:33 | as i have no printers here
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| 13:33 | <johnny> they == firefox
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| 13:34 | <jelly-bean1> right
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| 13:34 | thats exactly what it is
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| 13:34 | but i am wodnering if there is a way to symlink the cups config to the chroot or something
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| 13:34 | i dont want to have to setup the printers per-user
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| 13:50 | <stgraber> to anyone who is planning on tagging: Please don't, there's a small issue in nbd-proxy making it send bogus nbd struct when the server disconnects under heavy load. It's being worked on and I hope to have nbd-proxy rock solid today.
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| 14:12 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav/stgraber: edubuntu is making 10.04 right?
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| 14:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey, can anyone explain to me how applying lts.conf settings to a certain MAC address is supposed to work? Right now, I am getting an error on boot of a client saying that there's a syntax error in etc/lts.conf at line 42. Line 42 consists of the following: "[00:13:90:02:9C:EB]"
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| 14:15 | Is there some flag I need to be using instead of the MAC address, which I distinctly recall working?
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| 14:15 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: [blah] is a section
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| 14:15 | there must be at least one param=value in each section
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| 14:16 | if not, it is an error
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| 14:16 | <knipwim> you have quotes around it?
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| 14:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> knipwim: no, no quotes. :)
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| 14:17 | Gadi: the actual lines are as follows
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| 14:17 | http://pastebin.com/m5c331f13
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| 14:17 | Gadi, ^^^
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> that looks ok - can you paste the entire file?
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| 14:18 | maybe there is some weirdness on line 41
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| 14:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> Gadi: http://pastebin.com/md8cac90
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> ah
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| 14:22 | line 37 is the problem
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| 14:22 | you need to comment it out
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| 14:22 | otherwise, you have a section with no parameters
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| 14:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh!
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| 14:22 | ok :D
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> or you could add a parameter
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| 14:23 | :)
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| 14:23 | <alkisg> Should empty sections really be considered as errors?
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> I like using LIKE=default
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| 14:23 | or GADI=rocks
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| 14:23 | :)
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| 14:24 | alkisg: getltscfg is the holy product of jammcq from the beginning of the epoch
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| 14:24 | its flaws are flawless
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> Ah, if it's religious-related, I'll have to pass :)
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| 14:24 | <Gadi> :)
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| 14:25 | we truly have not touched getltscfg since the very beginnings of ltsp
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| 14:25 | <johnny> i think we should get rid of [default]
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| 14:25 | <Gadi> it is the one vestage from LTSP < 5
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| 14:25 | <alkisg> Blasphemer!
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| 14:25 | <johnny> and ignore it
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| 14:25 | the beginning is default until we run into the next
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| 14:25 | it' makes things easier for users
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| 14:26 | they can just drop the entries right in the file
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> johnny: let's leave it until the new, https based configuration system :P
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| 14:33 | <johnny> alkisg, did you do the mount package cache thing..
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| 14:33 | we should make a standard option for it
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| 14:34 | gentoo could/would use that standard option
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> johnny: yup, it's in the trunk
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> Modify it however you want...
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| 15:08 | <stgraber> CAN-o-SPAM: it did
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| 15:11 | <CAN-o-SPAM> stgraber: ok great, i thought i knew that, but got some conflicting info, wanted to double check with you ... thanks
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| 15:12 | <stgraber> CAN-o-SPAM: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/10.04/alpha-2/
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| 15:13 | announce is here: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2
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| 15:13 | <CAN-o-SPAM> stgraber: are you happy with the progress of the group?
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| 15:13 | <elias_a> Ooo la la!
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| 15:14 | <stgraber> yep, it's going very well, Lucid should be a really good release
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| 15:14 | <CAN-o-SPAM> very nice to hear, i'm glad your playing a key role
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