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02:25	<linuxana> hallo
02:25	excuse me
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02:34	<linuxana> hi
02:34	excuse me
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03:00	<olalin> I cant change to swedish letters in my kiwi-ltsp clients
03:00	åäö
03:01	I have tryed to change the keyboardsettings in easy-ltsp, but it dont work
03:03	is there anybody here working with kiwi-ltsp?
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04:32	<cyberorg> olalin_, tried scim to change keyboard layout?
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09:31	<petre> warren, ping
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11:12	<stgraber> ogra: around ?
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12:06	<moldy> hi
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14:17	<warren> petre: please write mail (usually)
14:17	petre: what' sup
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15:47	<petre> warren, I built a new f9 liveusb, and pyserial was in there, printer attached to client works, etc.
15:48	warren, I think the problem was the cache of packages I was using was old
15:48	<warren> hm
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15:48	<warren> I haven't had that problem in months
15:49	<petre> warren, so I built a new cache this time, and it all seems to work
15:49	well, isn't the point of the cache to avoid re-downloading all the packages?
15:50	<warren> ye
15:50	yes
15:50	but it should have checked for updates and downloaded new things
15:51	<petre> warren, I checked the quick start guide into cvs for f10
15:51	(after making a mess of some things)
15:53	warren, for f9, when does the package become available via yum?
15:53	<warren> petre: I have to push it as an update
15:53	petre: I suppose I'll just push what we have now
15:53	nobody is giving me testing feedback
15:53	<petre> for f9 or f10?
15:54	<warren> both
15:54	same version are built
15:54	<petre> I think a lot of the k12ltsp users are waiting for a centos-based release
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15:56	<petre> warren, how are you & Brian doing on the RHEL release you were working on?
15:57	<warren> petre: completely stalled
15:57	petre: RHEL5 is lacking so much of what we need
15:57	<petre> yes, I suppose so
15:59	could you pull stuff in from EPEL?
16:02	<warren> petre: no, core OS components are missing stuff
16:03	<petre> so...what's the status of RHEL 6?
16:07	<warren> I can't answer that question.
16:09	<petre> warren, back to the f9/f10 stuff: I'm satisfied that this latest f9 build works
16:09	and as you said, no one is giving feedback to the contrary
16:09	should we call it done and release it?
16:10	<warren> petre: let's go over the text of the quickstart one more time to see if it can be made less confusing or simpler.
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16:10	<warren> petre: I'm asking people to translate it into a few languages, so simpler is better...
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16:11	<petre> warren, there is a newer release, 0.0.9, but when I did the build this afternoon, I got version 0.0.8
16:11	<warren> huh
16:11	biuld for f10?
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16:12	<petre> no, build for f9
16:12	<warren> build of what?
16:12	your rpm appears to be 0.0.9
16:12	you seem to be having more caching problems?
16:12	oddly I haven't seen any problems like that
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16:13	<warren> petre: oh, 0.0.8 was in the k12linux-temporary repo up until a few minutes ago, I pulled in your f10 build
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16:13	<petre> whew, good, I was confused
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16:14	<petre> so, does that mean if I build another f9 liveusb, it will pull in 0.0.9 now?
16:14	<warren> yes
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16:15	<petre> 0.0.9 has just two improvements:
16:15	<warren> Welcome to K12Linux, which is Linux Terminal Server Project (LTSP) software, version 5, running on Fedora Linux. This Live image is most useful for two purposes:
16:15	remove ",version 5, "
16:15	entirely not useful to mention
16:16	<petre> 1. the 'rpm -e' commands have been reduced to one which should work for both live and installed versions
16:16	<warren> WARNING: The bridge interface, ltspbr0, has a DHCP server running on it. Be especially careful that you do not attach your Internet-facing network interface to ltspbr0 or you can cause serious problems for your network.
16:16	<petre> I think it's quite useful, to know that it's not 4.2
16:16	<warren> petre: I disagree completely.
16:17	petre: it is needless and only confusing to new users.
16:17	<petre> why exclude information?
16:17	<warren> well, it makes the sentence more complicated in translation
16:17	and most users really don't need to know this.
16:19	<petre> in this case, "users" means 'admins' of varying skill sets;
16:20	including version info for if/when they seek support from the list or IRC would seem helpful
16:20	I agree that end-users don't care, but that's why we explain how to remove the guide
16:21	If not here, where else do they find out what version they've got?
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16:37	<vagrantc> would folks prefer [ -n "$foo] \|\| [ -n "$bar" ] \|\| [ -n "$baz" ] .... or ... [ -n "$foo$bar$baz" ]
16:38	the former is more clear and obvious, the latter is probably slightly more efficient
16:43	<petre> warren, what's the URL for the k12linux-temporary repo?
16:46	<warren> vagrantc: the former, the benefit of the latter is negligible
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16:54	<vagrantc> warren: sure.
16:57	<warren> petre: you'll find it in the kickstart files contained in ltsp-server
16:57	<petre> warren, ok, tx
16:58	<warren> petre: OK, I'd consider it basically done, I would prefer that one sentence to be simplified though.
16:58	petre: let me know if you want to update it one more time, the I'll spin F10 discs.
16:59	<petre> warren, what about " Be especially careful that you do not attach your Internet-facing network interface to ltspbr0 or you can cause serious problems for your network.", which I'll agree is clumsy
17:01	warren, and as for 'version 5', I'll move it down to the bottom where it talks about getting help via the list and IRC
17:37	warren, what do you want to change in " Be especially careful that you do not attach your Internet-facing network interface to ltspbr0 or you can cause serious problems for your network."?
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17:49	<nothingman> hi, all
17:50	having trouble getting an IP on my client
17:55	I'm able to connect to other IPs on my network
17:55	dhcpd.conf is the same as before, when it worked
17:55	and the firewall's off
17:58	<warren> petre: not just internet facing
17:58	petre: it should be clear that it is to be plugged into isolated networks (like a single lab) dedicated to a thin client network
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