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tjfontaine: how are you verifying that? From the tftp server logs?
tjfontaine: also, if you believe it's a pxelinux problem, better ask in #syslinux...
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I hate to bug you guys, but I feel like I'm at the end of my rope. I've got some problems getting particular thinkpads to PXE boot from an LTSP server.
It's four thinkpads, all the same model. Every other computer in the house (at least five) are able to boot just fine.
The ones that don't get to the point where they say "Trying to load pxeconfig.0/default", then just reboot. I've searched for anything, and am turning up nothing. Has anyone else run into something similar.
Got any local OS installed on those machines?
Nope. No HD's installed. But, I'm running a copy of Lubuntu off an iso on a flash drive right now.
So, I mean, I know the hardware works. I know it gets an IP addy from the server but nothing. :/
I do not know about 'quietsplash', but I do know about these similar topics: 'quiet-splash'
quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
I don't think it's getting that far.
It hits that statement, then the whole computer just reboots.
You'll see more messages without the quiet part, so you'll know if it's pxelinux or the kernel that crashes
Quiet-splash enabled it doesn't show any text after that statement.
If it's not an instant reboot.
The server is a VM bridged to a physical network adapter, it's running Debian 6, and those options have been disabled.
ipxe: iPXE is the successor to the etherboot/gPXE project, and can be used to netboot clients that don't have a NIC ROM with a PXE stack. To add it to grub, see !grub-ipxe. To add it to the Windows boot loader, see !win32-loader. To download floppy, CD or USB images, visit http://ipxe.org or install the ipxe package.
That offers a better PXE stack than some embedded roms
muppis: 0.96? why so old?
Well, it's was frist pick from Google. ;)
That would be about 5 years newer version
I'll give iPXE a try real quick.
(gpxe isn't developed any more since some years now)
(they all switched to ipxe)
Was trying to look into tricking GRUB into doing a PXE boot, but that looked like more trouble than it was worth.
Thanks for the info! I'll be back in a few!
muppis: It's an instant reboot.
Then it can be faulty ROM code in NIC. Looked up for BIOS update?
Tried the bios updates.
Technically, it's every Thinkpad R61 we can get our hands on
They're all have the model number 7743-AE4
I have one that boots, but it's got a mobo from a 7751-Somethingsomethingsomething
We also have computers with some ATI graphics cards that have problems, but they at least get past the trying to load pxeconfig.0/default line.
I'll fix that one later if I deem it needed.
With my experience from LTSP and ATI in Linux: If you get it working with open source drivers, be happy with it and do not try closed source drivers. :D
With closed soruce drivers I've got none working and one broken.
Well, the goal is to get the thinkpads working. I've got my personal ones working, but we've got three others specifically for this purpose.
The iPXE disk just rebooted.
It got far enough to load ipxe.kern, then just rebooted.
Do you get a chance to press ctrl+b to get to the ipxe prompt?
Nope. Didn't get that far.
I swear, this doesn't make any sense
So, it boots linux locally, sees the network and everything, but hangs with the pxe stack or ipxe...
OK, next try is to netboot with a local copy of the ltsp server initramfs
This may sound silly, but how do I go about that?
It's not silly at all, let me get you some link...
Think I can copy those to my flash drive with grub on it, and set up a new menu for it?
Yes, that's the idea
Copy them from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ to the usb drive or something,
or even to the local lubuntu installation,
and set up a grub entry with the same kernel command line as with one of the clients that succeed in netbooting
Alright. Let me see if I can get that going. I'll need to head to another computer for a moment. Running on the flash drive now.
Will likely be back, but thanks for the help guys!
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It's booting now!
And, you'll never guess how I got it working!
Apparently, the laptops boot when there's a flash drive plugged in during post.
We think the other computers worked because they had internal disks of some sort, so yeah.
Thanks for the help, guys!
Not entirely sure why the network boot would require a local disk, but meh. It's working now. :P
I got on desktop machine which got similarity acts, but I though it is it's own madness. :D
Lopin: for ipxe, do report a bug... and that's true for the pxe stack too?!! You could report a bug to your vendor then, but not sure how much it would help there...
I think it's the bios, cause nothing even gets a chance to start without some sort of storage.
I don't really need any kind of internal storage, so I'm going to get a few cheap sata/cf adapters and some cheap cf cards, and just call it a day
the computers are like 4 years old. Don't think they'll update the bios, but I'll call up Lenovo and tell them
It sounds like some int 10h function call is broken...
It's the bios interface that provides disk access to programs
Okay, that would make sense.
They did do an update back in February. They may update it again
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Hi! I'm back with an other problem. I tried Edubuntu 12.04 with LTSP directly installed,
When I start an thin client he put the image in his RAM and boot on the splash screen, but after I put the log/passwd he reboot... I already tried an ltsp-update-sshkeys && ltsp-update-image
Whole machine reboots?
Or just ldm restarts?
I saw that my ssh server can have a different port to connect my client and that's why, but i don't know how to check taht...
whole machine I guess, but she doesn't reload the img
MastaaK: on the server, tail -F /var/log/auth.log
That file tells if the login was successful
The log file in /var/log/auth say: Bad passwd / Connection closed
So the problem is a bad password
Try changing the password to a numeric one, e.g. 1234
Insn't normal that the client reboot due to a bad passwd?
Take the problems one by one
With a numeric passwd the problem is the same, reboot, and the log file say he opened a session and received a disconnect command, so he close the session
With that try I saw something like the desktop before he reboot...
Nice. Now, next try:
sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
And in that file, put:
Hmm no ignore that
Reboot the client, and in the login screen, click on the preferences button
And select "xterm" session from there, if available
I've default, ssh and rdesktop
But a question, did by defaut the client need a ssh connection?
Yes, the clients connect with ssh
Okay, 'cause I tried to connect with putty to tell U exactly what that said and nothing happend, I think I doesn't have any SSH server...
MastaaK: then your auth.log wouldn't have said "succeeded"
Try on the server: ssh username@localhost
And see if it works...
Also, you can try ssh'ing from the client:
screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
or with ctrl+alt+F1 ?
No, you can't login there unless you define a root password in your chroot
When I want a new account, I need to creat it in the chroot or on server?
If you created that in the chroot, that might be causing problems
If so, try with a new, different account
okay, I creat it on the server but i saw different way
And i can't use the ssh command because the authenticity of host was not established
That's the ssh keys, type [yes] there
I do that but when he tell me to put the passwd I put it and he doesn't reconnize it
What command did you use, exactly?
Not root. Put some username there.
E.g. ssh mastaak@localhost
The root account can't login on ubuntu machines, it doesn't have a password, it's disabled.
Don't use root on the client either.
okay, i tried with an other Id and it works... sorry but I'm very not good with linux, I started only 2weeks ago...
Which distro are you using?
Now, I'm connected with the right ID, did i need to change my ltsp.conf?
And which version?
In the preferences menu, do you see an "ubuntu 2d" item?
(in the login screen)
no, onlu backend, langage, session, reboot, and shutdown
You spoke about the client, right?
And for the backend I've Default, SSH, and rdesktop
MastaaK: not backend. Session.
Yes i've ubuntu 2d
Select that first, and then try to login
That's the same
Do you have an xterm session listed there?
I do not know about 'xterm', but I do know about these similar topics: 'localxterm'
localxterm: Any applications that you launch on a thin client actually runs on the server, not on the client itself. If you want to open a program on the client locally, you can type 'ltsp-localapps <program>' in a run dialog or in a terminal. For example, 'ltsp-localapps xterm' to open a terminal running on the client.
So now I tryed many UI, i think they aren't the cause of my trouble...
In my log it says that a session are opened for my client but he reboot, so i come on the splash screen, and when I tryed to reconnect it's the same, he closed my previous session and opened and new one...
Oh! In my syslog file I saw that I doesn't have the right to access i386.img...
That's not it, the client wouldn't boot at all then
So, I look closely and at the boot of the client and i saw something like Starting load fallback graphics devices [fail]
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Does I need to install pilot in chroot? Did u think my problem can come from here?
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(10:09:57 πμ) alkisg: Do you have an xterm session listed there?
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Okay, so, i can connect my client with my first account (at the install), but i can't without the other user, and I can't connect either in local with the other, they doesn't have any folder in /home/... i don't know why, did I need to put an option when i create the account? Something like: sudo useradd -D --base-dir /home/new_user ?
Don't use useradd, use adduser
Or the users gnome dialog
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kvm: To boot a fake thin client with kvm: kvm -ctrl-grab -net nic -net user,tftp=/var/lib/tftpboot,bootfile=/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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alkisg: Thanks for your help, I'm glad someone like U take time to explain me how ltsp work! I finnaly found why I can not connet, that's because when I made a user I didin't use sudo so that doesn't create the home folder, and now I use the right command everything work fine, I just need to find how to remove app for the chroot and I put this server on the way to go!
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alkisg what is the link to the greek ts irc?
srvmng: /j #ts.sch.gr
(type it here)
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Hyperbyte: we'll have a workshop at Crete in a couple of weeks, do you think the greek schools will have been transfered to the ltsp.org map till then, so that we can show them off?
alkisg, hi, I hope to do it before next meeting
If not, shortly after.
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I did make some time for LTSP today actually, but used that to add the RSS news feed to the homepage
http://www.ltsp.org/ Check it out. :-)
Oh, and to change the bot to use our new meeting channel #ltsp-meeting instead of the old. :-)
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Hyperbyte: the bot's still in the old channel, right?
Just to keep it alive, for the redirect?
You can install an auto-redirect, for visitors...
So that when one types /j #old-channel, he automatically gets to the new one
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alkisg, I have no idea how.
The old channel isn't even registered
Feel free to set it up. :P
Hehe... I'll tell Phantomas, he's the expert
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can i ask question related to LTSP
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
i am having ubuntu LTSP server on which i have installed 32bit kubuntu as a fat-client
now i want to add 64bit and i am having all 64bit files downloaded but how do i replace 32bit
what i did: i copied amd64 folder in /opt/ltsp/ and it created amd64image in /opt/ltsp/images/
but it is still booting to 32bit image. I have made changes in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file
Restarted the dhpcd itself?
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i have done that and also made changes in /var/lib/tftpboot/ when i m booting thin client i m getting "cannot file configuration file in /ltsp/amd64/" message
sorry the message is "unable to locate configuration file"
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hi alkisg, I've been asked if is possible block client http navigation ... is something epoptes already does?
markit: that's doable with squid, sch-scripts had a menu for configuring squid black lists, epoptes will have that in the future
Or you can just change their gateway with epoptes :)
ok, I've installed squid
Just 1 command, sudo ip ... set gateway something
too complicated for italian teachers, remember theny don't know anything of... anything :(
1 command => set gateway = 0: blocks internet, and another to restore it
You can put the commands in the epoptes history for the execution dialog
alkisg: would be great be able to pre-set commands / scripts in epoptes with description, so would be easy to customize
In the future we'll have custom commands in menus, .. yeah that ^
ok, thanks a lot :)
alkisg: yes I'm verifying from the log, and from the client machine, it's only probing for default, it never tries for mac or ipaddr
alkisg: btw, set gateway something will block the server navigation too, I will need something only for Fat clients
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markit: gateway for fat clients, not for the server
That can be done from the epoptes execution dialog
tjfontaine: better ask in #syslinux
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alkisg: with sudo and without password? I'm puzzled ("sudo ip.." you wrote)
markit: in epoptes, sudo means "the root epoptes-client should execute that command"
So yeah, without password
:) thanks a lot
so root epoptes client is always enabled without password?
I mean, a studend could open a terminal and issue su - root ?
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markit: no, only the teacher could do that, and only on the student machines remotely
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alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 35 minutes and 44 seconds ago: <alkisg> markit: no, only the teacher could do that, and only on the student machines remotely
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short question could i makle system on a scool and then the student when they took ther laptops home , can they still use system from home with windows 7
they also use windows 7 at scool
you know this is the support channel for the >> Linux << Terminal Server Project?
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ltspuser_85: you want laptops that boot to LTSP while at school, and windows7 when not on the school network?
we use window7 at scool and at hom,e someone told me we coould use LTSP
that doesn't make much sense
LTSP only really works on a local network
i.e. a classroom with a lot of seats connecting to a single server
the bandwidth isn't really practical for use over the internet
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as i expected, thank you if i havent ask he would not bellieve me thank you.
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What's Jim's e-mail address?
I'm mailing everyone who expressed interest in fedora/rhel6 ltsp hacking
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