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Channel log from 11 January 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:43 | <alkisg> tjfontaine: how are you verifying that? From the tftp server logs?
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| 04:44 | tjfontaine: also, if you believe it's a pxelinux problem, better ask in #syslinux...
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| 05:59 | <Lopin> I hate to bug you guys, but I feel like I'm at the end of my rope. I've got some problems getting particular thinkpads to PXE boot from an LTSP server.
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| 05:59 | It's four thinkpads, all the same model. Every other computer in the house (at least five) are able to boot just fine.
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| 06:00 | The ones that don't get to the point where they say "Trying to load pxeconfig.0/default", then just reboot. I've searched for anything, and am turning up nothing. Has anyone else run into something similar.
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| 06:00 | ?
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| 06:01 | <muppis> Got any local OS installed on those machines?
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| 06:01 | <Lopin> Nope. No HD's installed. But, I'm running a copy of Lubuntu off an iso on a flash drive right now.
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| 06:02 | So, I mean, I know the hardware works. I know it gets an IP addy from the server but nothing. :/
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| 06:02 | <alkisg> !quietsplash
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| 06:02 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'quietsplash', but I do know about these similar topics: 'quiet-splash'
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| 06:02 | <alkisg> !quiet-splash
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| 06:02 | <ltsp> quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
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| 06:02 | <Lopin> I don't think it's getting that far.
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| 06:02 | It hits that statement, then the whole computer just reboots.
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| 06:03 | <alkisg> You'll see more messages without the quiet part, so you'll know if it's pxelinux or the kernel that crashes
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| 06:03 | <muppis> Quiet-splash enabled it doesn't show any text after that statement.
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| 06:04 | If it's not an instant reboot.
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| 06:04 | <Lopin> The server is a VM bridged to a physical network adapter, it's running Debian 6, and those options have been disabled.
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| 06:04 | <alkisg> !ipxe
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| 06:04 | <ltsp> ipxe: iPXE is the successor to the etherboot/gPXE project, and can be used to netboot clients that don't have a NIC ROM with a PXE stack. To add it to grub, see !grub-ipxe. To add it to the Windows boot loader, see !win32-loader. To download floppy, CD or USB images, visit http://ipxe.org or install the ipxe package.
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| 06:04 | <muppis> http://rom-o-matic.net/gpxe/gpxe-0.9.6/contrib/rom-o-matic/build.php?version=0.9.6&F=&arch=i386&nic=gpxe%3Aall-drivers&ofmt=ISO+bootable+image+(.iso)&A=Configure
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| 06:04 | <alkisg> That offers a better PXE stack than some embedded roms
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| 06:04 | muppis: 0.96? why so old?
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| 06:04 | <muppis> Well, it's was frist pick from Google. ;)
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| 06:04 | First.
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| 06:05 | <alkisg> http://ipxe.org/download
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| 06:05 | That would be about 5 years newer version
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| 06:05 | <Lopin> I'll give iPXE a try real quick.
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| 06:05 | <alkisg> (gpxe isn't developed any more since some years now)
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| 06:05 | (they all switched to ipxe)
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| 06:05 | <Lopin> Was trying to look into tricking GRUB into doing a PXE boot, but that looked like more trouble than it was worth.
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| 06:05 | Thanks for the info! I'll be back in a few!
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| 06:06 | muppis: It's an instant reboot.
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| 06:07 | <muppis> Then it can be faulty ROM code in NIC. Looked up for BIOS update?
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| 06:07 | <Lopin> Tried the bios updates.
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| 06:07 | Technically, it's every Thinkpad R61 we can get our hands on
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| 06:08 | They're all have the model number 7743-AE4
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| 06:08 | I have one that boots, but it's got a mobo from a 7751-Somethingsomethingsomething
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| 06:08 | We also have computers with some ATI graphics cards that have problems, but they at least get past the trying to load pxeconfig.0/default line.
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| 06:08 | I'll fix that one later if I deem it needed.
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| 06:11 | <muppis> With my experience from LTSP and ATI in Linux: If you get it working with open source drivers, be happy with it and do not try closed source drivers. :D
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| 06:12 | With closed soruce drivers I've got none working and one broken.
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| 06:13 | <Lopin> Well, the goal is to get the thinkpads working. I've got my personal ones working, but we've got three others specifically for this purpose.
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| 06:15 | Huh. Welp.
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| 06:16 | The iPXE disk just rebooted.
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| 06:16 | It got far enough to load ipxe.kern, then just rebooted.
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| 06:16 | <alkisg> Do you get a chance to press ctrl+b to get to the ipxe prompt?
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| 06:17 | <Lopin> Nope. Didn't get that far.
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| 06:18 | I swear, this doesn't make any sense
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| 06:18 | <alkisg> So, it boots linux locally, sees the network and everything, but hangs with the pxe stack or ipxe...
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| 06:19 | OK, next try is to netboot with a local copy of the ltsp server initramfs
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| 06:19 | <Lopin> This may sound silly, but how do I go about that?
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| 06:20 | <alkisg> It's not silly at all, let me get you some link...
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| 06:20 | <Lopin> Think I can copy those to my flash drive with grub on it, and set up a new menu for it?
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| 06:21 | <alkisg> Yes, that's the idea
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| 06:21 | Copy them from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ to the usb drive or something,
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| 06:21 | or even to the local lubuntu installation,
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| 06:22 | and set up a grub entry with the same kernel command line as with one of the clients that succeed in netbooting
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| 06:22 | <Lopin> Alright. Let me see if I can get that going. I'll need to head to another computer for a moment. Running on the flash drive now.
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| 06:22 | Will likely be back, but thanks for the help guys!
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| 06:22 | <alkisg> np
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| 06:45 | <Lopin> So!
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| 06:45 | It's booting now!
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| 06:45 | And, you'll never guess how I got it working!
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| 06:45 | Apparently, the laptops boot when there's a flash drive plugged in during post.
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| 06:46 | We think the other computers worked because they had internal disks of some sort, so yeah.
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| 06:46 | Thanks for the help, guys!
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| 06:47 | Not entirely sure why the network boot would require a local disk, but meh. It's working now. :P
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| 06:48 | <muppis> I got on desktop machine which got similarity acts, but I though it is it's own madness. :D
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| 06:51 | <alkisg> Lopin: for ipxe, do report a bug... and that's true for the pxe stack too?!! You could report a bug to your vendor then, but not sure how much it would help there...
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| 06:54 | <Lopin> I think it's the bios, cause nothing even gets a chance to start without some sort of storage.
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| 06:55 | I don't really need any kind of internal storage, so I'm going to get a few cheap sata/cf adapters and some cheap cf cards, and just call it a day
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| 06:55 | the computers are like 4 years old. Don't think they'll update the bios, but I'll call up Lenovo and tell them
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| 06:56 | <alkisg> It sounds like some int 10h function call is broken...
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| 06:56 | <Lopin> 10h function?
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| 06:57 | <alkisg> It's the bios interface that provides disk access to programs
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| 06:57 | <Lopin> Ah!
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| 06:57 | Okay, that would make sense.
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| 06:57 | They did do an update back in February. They may update it again
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| 07:36 | <MastaaK> Hi! I'm back with an other problem. I tried Edubuntu 12.04 with LTSP directly installed,
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| 07:37 | When I start an thin client he put the image in his RAM and boot on the splash screen, but after I put the log/passwd he reboot... I already tried an ltsp-update-sshkeys && ltsp-update-image
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| 07:38 | <muppis> Whole machine reboots?
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| 07:39 | Or just ldm restarts?
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| 07:39 | <MastaaK> I saw that my ssh server can have a different port to connect my client and that's why, but i don't know how to check taht...
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| 07:39 | whole machine I guess, but she doesn't reload the img
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| 07:40 | <alkisg> MastaaK: on the server, tail -F /var/log/auth.log
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| 07:41 | That file tells if the login was successful
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| 07:42 | <MastaaK> The log file in /var/log/auth say: Bad passwd / Connection closed
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> So the problem is a bad password
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| 07:42 | Try changing the password to a numeric one, e.g. 1234
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| 07:43 | <MastaaK> Insn't normal that the client reboot due to a bad passwd?
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| 07:44 | <alkisg> Take the problems one by one
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| 07:46 | <MastaaK> With a numeric passwd the problem is the same, reboot, and the log file say he opened a session and received a disconnect command, so he close the session
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| 07:48 | With that try I saw something like the desktop before he reboot...
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| 07:48 | <alkisg> Nice. Now, next try:
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| 07:48 | sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 07:48 | And in that file, put:
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| 07:48 | [Default]
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| 07:49 | Hmm no ignore that
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| 07:49 | Reboot the client, and in the login screen, click on the preferences button
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| 07:49 | And select "xterm" session from there, if available
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| 07:49 | <MastaaK> I've default, ssh and rdesktop
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| 07:50 | But a question, did by defaut the client need a ssh connection?
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| 07:50 | <alkisg> Yes, the clients connect with ssh
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| 07:51 | <MastaaK> Okay, 'cause I tried to connect with putty to tell U exactly what that said and nothing happend, I think I doesn't have any SSH server...
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| 07:52 | <alkisg> MastaaK: then your auth.log wouldn't have said "succeeded"
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| 07:52 | Try on the server: ssh username@localhost
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| 07:52 | And see if it works...
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| 07:52 | Also, you can try ssh'ing from the client:
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| 07:52 | !screen_02
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| 07:52 | <ltsp> screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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| 07:53 | <MastaaK> or with ctrl+alt+F1 ?
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| 07:54 | <alkisg> No, you can't login there unless you define a root password in your chroot
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| 07:55 | <MastaaK> When I want a new account, I need to creat it in the chroot or on server?
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| 07:56 | <alkisg> Server
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| 07:56 | If you created that in the chroot, that might be causing problems
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| 07:57 | If so, try with a new, different account
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| 07:57 | <MastaaK> okay, I creat it on the server but i saw different way
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| 07:58 | And i can't use the ssh command because the authenticity of host was not established
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| 07:58 | <alkisg> That's the ssh keys, type [yes] there
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| 07:59 | <MastaaK> I do that but when he tell me to put the passwd I put it and he doesn't reconnize it
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| 07:59 | <alkisg> What command did you use, exactly?
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| 07:59 | <MastaaK> ssh rootlocalhost
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| 07:59 | ssh root@localhost
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| 08:00 | <alkisg> Not root. Put some username there.
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| 08:00 | E.g. ssh mastaak@localhost
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| 08:00 | The root account can't login on ubuntu machines, it doesn't have a password, it's disabled.
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| 08:00 | Don't use root on the client either.
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| 08:01 | <MastaaK> okay, i tried with an other Id and it works... sorry but I'm very not good with linux, I started only 2weeks ago...
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| 08:02 | <alkisg> Which distro are you using?
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| 08:02 | <MastaaK> Now, I'm connected with the right ID, did i need to change my ltsp.conf?
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| 08:02 | <alkisg> And which version?
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| 08:02 | <MastaaK> Edubuntu 12.04
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| 08:02 | <alkisg> In the preferences menu, do you see an "ubuntu 2d" item?
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| 08:03 | (in the login screen)
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| 08:03 | <MastaaK> no, onlu backend, langage, session, reboot, and shutdown
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| 08:04 | You spoke about the client, right?
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| 08:05 | And for the backend I've Default, SSH, and rdesktop
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| 08:07 | <alkisg> MastaaK: not backend. Session.
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| 08:07 | <MastaaK> Yes i've ubuntu 2d
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| 08:08 | <alkisg> Select that first, and then try to login
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| 08:09 | <MastaaK> That's the same
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| 08:09 | <alkisg> Do you have an xterm session listed there?
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| 08:10 | !xterm
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| 08:10 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'xterm', but I do know about these similar topics: 'localxterm'
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| 08:10 | <MastaaK> !localxterm
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| 08:10 | <ltsp> localxterm: Any applications that you launch on a thin client actually runs on the server, not on the client itself. If you want to open a program on the client locally, you can type 'ltsp-localapps <program>' in a run dialog or in a terminal. For example, 'ltsp-localapps xterm' to open a terminal running on the client.
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| 08:13 | <MastaaK> So now I tryed many UI, i think they aren't the cause of my trouble...
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| 08:14 | In my log it says that a session are opened for my client but he reboot, so i come on the splash screen, and when I tryed to reconnect it's the same, he closed my previous session and opened and new one...
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| 08:16 | Oh! In my syslog file I saw that I doesn't have the right to access i386.img...
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| 08:23 | <alkisg> That's not it, the client wouldn't boot at all then
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| 08:26 | <MastaaK> So, I look closely and at the boot of the client and i saw something like Starting load fallback graphics devices [fail]
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| 08:26 | <MastaaK> Does I need to install pilot in chroot? Did u think my problem can come from here?
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| 09:12 | <alkisg> (10:09:57 πμ) alkisg: Do you have an xterm session listed there?
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| 09:38 | <MastaaK> Okay, so, i can connect my client with my first account (at the install), but i can't without the other user, and I can't connect either in local with the other, they doesn't have any folder in /home/... i don't know why, did I need to put an option when i create the account? Something like: sudo useradd -D --base-dir /home/new_user ?
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| 09:46 | <alkisg> Don't use useradd, use adduser
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| 09:46 | Or the users gnome dialog
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| 10:19 | <alkisg> !kvm
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| 10:19 | <ltsp> kvm: To boot a fake thin client with kvm: kvm -ctrl-grab -net nic -net user,tftp=/var/lib/tftpboot,bootfile=/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 10:31 | <MastaaK> alkisg: Thanks for your help, I'm glad someone like U take time to explain me how ltsp work! I finnaly found why I can not connet, that's because when I made a user I didin't use sudo so that doesn't create the home folder, and now I use the right command everything work fine, I just need to find how to remove app for the chroot and I put this server on the way to go!
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| 10:59 | <srvmng> alkisg what is the link to the greek ts irc?
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| 11:00 | <alkisg> srvmng: /j #ts.sch.gr
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| 11:00 | (type it here)
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| 11:00 | <srvmng> thanks!
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| 11:01 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: we'll have a workshop at Crete in a couple of weeks, do you think the greek schools will have been transfered to the ltsp.org map till then, so that we can show them off?
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| 11:03 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, hi, I hope to do it before next meeting
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| 11:03 | If not, shortly after.
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| 11:03 | <Hyperbyte> I did make some time for LTSP today actually, but used that to add the RSS news feed to the homepage
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| 11:03 | http://www.ltsp.org/ Check it out. :-)
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| 11:04 | Oh, and to change the bot to use our new meeting channel #ltsp-meeting instead of the old. :-)
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| 11:15 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: the bot's still in the old channel, right?
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| 11:16 | Just to keep it alive, for the redirect?
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| 11:16 | You can install an auto-redirect, for visitors...
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| 11:16 | So that when one types /j #old-channel, he automatically gets to the new one
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| 11:26 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, I have no idea how.
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| 11:27 | The old channel isn't even registered
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| 11:27 | Feel free to set it up. :P
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| 11:30 | <alkisg> Hehe... I'll tell Phantomas, he's the expert
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| 12:47 | <praiselinux> can i ask question related to LTSP
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| 12:47 | <muppis> !ask
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| 12:47 | <ltsp> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 12:49 | <praiselinux> i am having ubuntu LTSP server on which i have installed 32bit kubuntu as a fat-client
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| 12:50 | <muppis> And?
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| 12:50 | <praiselinux> now i want to add 64bit and i am having all 64bit files downloaded but how do i replace 32bit
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| 12:53 | what i did: i copied amd64 folder in /opt/ltsp/ and it created amd64image in /opt/ltsp/images/
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| 12:55 | but it is still booting to 32bit image. I have made changes in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file
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| 12:57 | <muppis> Restarted the dhpcd itself?
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| 13:06 | <praiselinux> i have done that and also made changes in /var/lib/tftpboot/ when i m booting thin client i m getting "cannot file configuration file in /ltsp/amd64/" message
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| 13:09 | sorry the message is "unable to locate configuration file"
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| 14:43 | <markit> hi alkisg, I've been asked if is possible block client http navigation ... is something epoptes already does?
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| 14:44 | <alkisg> markit: that's doable with squid, sch-scripts had a menu for configuring squid black lists, epoptes will have that in the future
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| 14:44 | Or you can just change their gateway with epoptes :)
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| 14:44 | <markit> ok, I've installed squid
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| 14:44 | <alkisg> Just 1 command, sudo ip ... set gateway something
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| 14:45 | <markit> too complicated for italian teachers, remember theny don't know anything of... anything :(
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| 14:45 | <alkisg> 1 command => set gateway = 0: blocks internet, and another to restore it
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| 14:45 | You can put the commands in the epoptes history for the execution dialog
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| 14:45 | <markit> alkisg: would be great be able to pre-set commands / scripts in epoptes with description, so would be easy to customize
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| 14:45 | <alkisg> In the future we'll have custom commands in menus, .. yeah that ^
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| 14:46 | <markit> ok, thanks a lot :)
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| 14:49 | <tjfontaine> alkisg: yes I'm verifying from the log, and from the client machine, it's only probing for default, it never tries for mac or ipaddr
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| 14:58 | <markit> alkisg: btw, set gateway something will block the server navigation too, I will need something only for Fat clients
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> markit: gateway for fat clients, not for the server
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| 15:19 | That can be done from the epoptes execution dialog
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| 15:20 | tjfontaine: better ask in #syslinux
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| 15:53 | <markit> alkisg: with sudo and without password? I'm puzzled ("sudo ip.." you wrote)
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> markit: in epoptes, sudo means "the root epoptes-client should execute that command"
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| 16:11 | So yeah, without password
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| 16:12 | <markit> :) thanks a lot
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| 16:12 | so root epoptes client is always enabled without password?
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| 16:12 | I mean, a studend could open a terminal and issue su - root ?
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| 16:26 | <alkisg> markit: no, only the teacher could do that, and only on the student machines remotely
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| 17:02 | <ltsp> alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 35 minutes and 44 seconds ago: <alkisg> markit: no, only the teacher could do that, and only on the student machines remotely
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| 20:41 | <ltspuser_85> short question could i makle system on a scool and then the student when they took ther laptops home , can they still use system from home with windows 7
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| 20:42 | they also use windows 7 at scool
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| 20:49 | <knipwim> you know this is the support channel for the >> Linux << Terminal Server Project?
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| 20:53 | <vagrantc> ltspuser_85: you want laptops that boot to LTSP while at school, and windows7 when not on the school network?
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| 20:55 | <ltspuser_85> we use window7 at scool and at hom,e someone told me we coould use LTSP
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| 21:01 | <vagrantc> that doesn't make much sense
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| 21:02 | LTSP only really works on a local network
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| 21:02 | i.e. a classroom with a lot of seats connecting to a single server
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| 21:02 | the bandwidth isn't really practical for use over the internet
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| 21:14 | <ltspuser_85> as i expected, thank you if i havent ask he would not bellieve me thank you.
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| 22:35 | <warren> What's Jim's e-mail address?
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| 22:35 | I'm mailing everyone who expressed interest in fedora/rhel6 ltsp hacking
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| 22:38 | <ltsp> jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 2 days, 1 hour, 56 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <jammcq> yay!
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| 22:38 | * vagrantc waves to warren | |
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