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Channel log from 12 June 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:10 | <cliebow> he's gabbing away ogver theree 8~)
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| 05:10 | whoops
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| 05:15 | say ello to jht for me 8~)
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| 06:13 | <jammcq> cliebow: hey
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| 06:22 | <cliebow> jammcq!!!
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| 07:32 | <mssmss> hello
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| 07:33 | I cannot get a h/w thin client to connect to a edubuntu 7.04 server ...I keep getting the following errors
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| 07:33 | VESA(0): No matching modes
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| 07:34 | Screen(s) found, but none have a usable config
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| 07:34 | errors
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| 07:34 | I edited the xorg.conf file to try and match the monitor parameters, but it just does not work ...
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| 07:34 | can anyone help me ?
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| 07:43 | <mssmss> hello ...I need some help with the o screens found"error on the ltsp client trying to connect to a 7.04 edubuntu server
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| 07:44 | ¨no screens found¨ error
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| 07:50 | <mssmss> any ltsp experts here ? :-)
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| 07:50 | awfully quiet ...
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| 07:52 | <sep> mssmss, xorg.conf ?
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| 07:52 | is autogenerated on boot
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| 07:52 | you must add the monitor sync rates to lts.conf
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| 07:52 | <mssmss> let me get it for you ...
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| 07:53 | <mssmss> but the error message said :
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| 07:54 | Using config file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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| 07:55 | and then gave the ¨no screens found¨ error
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| 07:56 | <sep> mssmss, yes, it's autogenerated when you boot the client
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| 07:56 | <mssmss> generated on the client ? or server ?
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| 07:57 | <sep> mssmss, generated on the client
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| 07:58 | <mssmss> oh .. ok .. but this is a 2 yr old h/w thin client .. so I should look at the lts.conf ?
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| 07:58 | <sep> my /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf contains entries like [00:0f:ea:61:08:06]
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| 07:58 | X_MODE_0=1280x1024
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| 07:58 | X_HORZSYNC ="60-70"
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| 07:58 | X_COLOR_DEPTH =15
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| 07:58 | <mssmss> it does show the edubuntu splash screen earlier on .. so I don get why it does not find the right mode later ... :(
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| 07:59 | mine is :
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| 07:59 | [default]
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| 07:59 | SOUND=True
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| 07:59 | LOCALDEV=True
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| 07:59 | NBD_SWAP=True
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| 07:59 | SYSLOG=server
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| 07:59 | SCREEN_03=startx
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| 08:00 | <sep> mssmss, i have those too ofcourse
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| 08:00 | but then it continues with
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| 08:00 | [00:0f:ea:61:08:06]
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| 08:00 | <sep> X_MODE_0=1280x1024
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| 08:00 | etch etc
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| 08:00 | <sep> the mac is the mac of the client ofcourse
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| 08:00 | since theey have not identical monitors
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| 08:01 | <mssmss> ok .. but do I have to specify the mac if all my client will be identical h/w ?
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| 08:01 | <sep> no
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| 08:01 | then you can do it in default
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| 08:02 | <mssmss> thatś what I thought .. thanks ...
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| 08:02 | also ...the client screen shows - Log file : /var/log/Xorg.2.0.log
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| 08:03 | but I don find any such file on the server .. where should I look for this file ?
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| 08:05 | <sep> i dont know. have never looked for it
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| 08:06 | <mssmss> if itś on the client just like the xorg.conf .. I don know how to read it ..
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| 08:06 | thanks for your help sep .. I will mess around with the lts.conf and try ..
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> Morning all!!!
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| 08:51 | ogra: pingity
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| 08:52 | <ogra> sbalneav, pong
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> Hey!
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| 08:52 | Got localdevices going last night via ldm2
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| 08:52 | Gonna work on getting the new c greeter going
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| 08:52 | <ogra> cool
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> You made any changes to it since I grabbed it off of you?
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| 08:52 | <jammcq> scotties' just having so much fun
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| 08:52 | <ogra> for the start just punting in the existing one should be fine
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| 08:53 | anything we can get to the user thats half way functional will be ok
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| 08:53 | oh man, so many errors in my last upload ...
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| 08:53 | <sbalneav> brb
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| 08:57 | <pere> ogra: can you have a quick look at <URL: http://bugs.skolelinux.no/show_bug.cgi?id=1184 > and tell me how fuse is loaded in ubuntu by default?
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| 08:58 | <ogra> pere, fuse-utils adds it to /etc/modules
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| 08:58 | <pere> ogra: aha. thank you.
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| 08:59 | <ogra> pere, ubuntus fuse package is significantly different, we dont support non modular kernels, so everything is handled through modprobe.d and udev ... debian uses an initscript for that afaik
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| 09:00 | pere, i bet he is either missing the initscript or its just not enabled
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| 09:02 | <pere> ogra: there do not seem to be any init.d script in fuse-utils in Debian.
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| 09:02 | <ogra> strange
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| 09:02 | i know that we disable its installation
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| 09:02 | probably the etch package is older than that change
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| 09:03 | <pere> could be.
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| 09:03 | <ogra> btw, we're about to fix the KDE localdev probs :)
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| 09:03 | and the latest ldm has a direct X mode thats unencrypted
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| 09:03 | <pere> ah, great. in upstream too?
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| 09:04 | <sbalneav> back
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| 09:04 | Hey pere
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| 09:04 | <pere> sbalneav: hi. :)
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| 09:04 | <ogra> pere, indeed :)
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| 09:04 | <sbalneav> pere: Upstream's who's working on it :)
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| 09:04 | * sbalneav codes furiously | |
| 09:05 | <sbalneav> What's changing wrt kde?
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| 09:05 | This the HAL stuff we talked about?
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| 09:05 | <ogra> i'm currently more busy with dropping nfs :) but if i'm done with that, i'll add the hal support to ltspfs so KDE will be happy
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| 09:05 | and xfce ...
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| 09:05 | and the world ...
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| 09:06 | <sbalneav> ogra: for the nbdswap stuff, you gonna allow a kernel command line override of the port and server to get the nbd from, so users can split things up?
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| 09:07 | <pere> ogra: regarding dropping nfs, are you aware of the multiframe thin client system from linpro? it also dropped nfs.
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| 09:07 | <ogra> sbalneav, we can do that
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| 09:07 | currently i only add NBDPORT to the pxe file
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| 09:07 | but thats for the rootfs
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| 09:07 | not for swapping
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| 09:07 | didnt we have a fixed server port for nbdswap anyway ?
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| 09:07 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 09:07 | <ogra> pere, no, i'm not
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| 09:08 | <sbalneav> we need to remember to add that line to hosts.allow.
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| 09:08 | <pere> ogra: <URL: http://multiframe.net/en/ >
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| 09:08 | <ogra> pere, but i'm nearly done ... we have the root from an nbd export handled by inetd now ... the nbd image is a squashfs which initramfs merges with a tmpfs to a unionfs /
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| 09:09 | its a whole lot faster than anything i tested before
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| 09:09 | * sbalneav could use a squashfs for my body. | |
| 09:09 | <ogra> o, and with the automatic nbd swap from initramfs i can easily boot 28M clients here ;)
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| 09:10 | you just need to make nbdswapd use a tmpfs for the swapfiles
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| 09:10 | <sbalneav> With bzr, if I want to update my tree, I need to do a merge from my own tree?
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| 09:11 | my bzr skills have improved recently, but I'm still a little shaky on some points.
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| 09:11 | <ogra> define update
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| 09:12 | <sbalneav> Last night, I made some changes to my tree at home
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| 09:12 | <ogra> right
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| 09:12 | <sbalneav> now I want to pull that down here to work
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| 09:12 | <ogra> push them to your master tree
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| 09:12 | <sbalneav> did that last night
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| 09:12 | <ogra> then pull them from there again
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| 09:12 | right
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| 09:12 | <sbalneav> so, bzr pull?
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| 09:12 | <ogra> just run bzr pull in your work tree
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| 09:13 | it should tell you about updateing
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| 09:13 | <sbalneav> k, cool
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| 09:14 | perfect, thanks
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| 09:14 | Now to autoconf your greeter.
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| 09:14 | <pere> ogra: right. completely different from multiframe. they download over http. one nice feature is their support for downloading modules on the fly (think downloading firefox the first time the user start the browser).
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| 09:15 | <ogra> ah, so they run the desktop locally ?
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| 09:15 | <pere> ogra: one nice property of http download is squid proxybility.
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| 09:15 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:15 | indeed
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| 09:15 | <pere> ogra: some apps can be run locally, yes.
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| 09:31 | <sbalneav> I'm starting to get pretty good at autoconf. Which is fairly amazing, seeing as how I still have no real clue how it works :)
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| 09:34 | <ogra> i guess not even its authors have :)
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| 09:47 | <ogra> sbalneav, any idea why the keepalive option doesnt work for me ? it works if i use nbd locally via localhost or the external ip ... but it doesnt seem to work with remote connections
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| 09:47 | have you see such a behavor ?
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| 09:48 | *seen
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| 09:48 | <sbalneav> How long you giving it to time out?
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| 09:48 | I think default's two hours
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| 09:48 | <ogra> ah, k
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| 09:48 | i idnt set a time
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| 09:48 | then i'll ust wait
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| 09:48 | *just
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| 09:49 | <sbalneav> I *know* it works, 'cuz I added it all to my servers, and it fixed the whole nbd-swap thing RIGHT up.
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| 09:49 | <ogra> ok
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| 09:49 | it auto adds nbdrootd to the options ...
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| 09:49 | <sbalneav> That was one of the coolest hacks we came up with in Seville :)
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| 09:49 | <ogra> i wonder if i it would break if i generally take nbd-server instead
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| 09:50 | <sbalneav> i'm guessing nbdrootd looks almost exactly the same as nbdswapd :)
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| 09:50 | <ogra> that would match swap and root servers
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| 09:50 | right
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| 09:50 | it just calls nbd-server
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| 09:50 | <sbalneav> I don't think so, the name needs to be what's in the inetd.conf
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| 09:50 | not what it actually calls internally, i think.
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| 09:50 | However, worth a try.
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| 09:50 | As well, you can lower your timeout with some settings in /proc
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| 09:52 | <ogra> as long as they go away i dont care
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| 09:53 | (users might, but until i get complaints i'll leave it as is)
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| 09:55 | <sbalneav> the greeter-gtkrc file, where should that live on disk?
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| 09:56 | <yhan> does anyone has experience with DevonIT terminals such as 6020p ?
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| 09:56 | http://devonit.com/terminals/terminals_models_features.php
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| 09:56 | <sbalneav> yhan: What problem are you having?
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| 09:57 | <yhan> actually I have a quotation from them for this term
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| 09:57 | <sbalneav> ogra: What's the "standard" debian/ubuntu place I should put the pixmaps and gtkrc file?
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| 09:57 | <yhan> and before ordering I would know if it will work out of the box
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| 09:58 | <yhan> $149 / box
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| 09:58 | so it's inexpensive
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| 09:59 | but. is it going to work with ltsp
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| 09:59 | <sbalneav> Don't know.
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| 10:01 | <yhan> could anyone recommend me some terms ?
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| 10:01 | at least it should be able to do 1280x1024, has to have a sound board
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| 10:02 | <sbalneav> disklessworkstations.com has some stuff that's guarenteed to work with ltsp.
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| 10:02 | * vagrantc waves from london | |
| 10:02 | <sbalneav> Hey vagrantc!
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| 10:02 | I use some of their stuff, and a lot of the Via EDEN EPIA 5000 Mini ATX boards.
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| 10:02 | <vagrantc> border crossings into the UK: failures 1, sucess 1
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| 10:03 | <sbalneav> Failures?
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| 10:03 | <ogra> vagrantc, applause
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| 10:04 | grrrr ...
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| 10:04 | <vagrantc> don't show up at the border with only your passport and no idea how or where you're going.
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| 10:04 | <sbalneav> ogra, see my question about the pixmaps and gtkrc?
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| 10:04 | * ogra curses his packaging errors | |
| 10:05 | <ogra> sbalneav, for the greeter just in /usr/share/ldm
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| 10:05 | * vagrantc ogra i gots problems though ... might not be able to re-enter the UK for 6 months! | |
| 10:05 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 10:05 | <ogra> we explicitly dont want to use any themeing functions from the toolkit
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| 10:05 | <vagrantc> that don't bode well
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| 10:05 | <ogra> because using one icon will parse the whole iconset first
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| 10:05 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Why not?
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| 10:05 | <rjune__> ogra, you ever do ldap setup in ubuntu?
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| 10:05 | <ogra> rjune__, not yet
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| 10:06 | <sbalneav> I have
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| 10:06 | got one running right now.
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| 10:06 | <ogra> the server team is implementing a default mode
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| 10:06 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: when you cross a border and fail, they mark bad things on your passport. and when you try again, even if they let you in, they write more bad things in your passport.
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| 10:06 | <ogra> that one will i use if its there :)
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| 10:07 | <rjune__> sbalneav: I'm having problems with the PAM portion of it. for some reason it doesn't want to authenticate. getent works though
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| 10:07 | <sbalneav> here's my common-auth:
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| 10:07 | auth sufficient pam_ldap.so
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| 10:07 | auth required pam_unix.so nullok_secure try_first_pass
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| 10:08 | common-password:
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| 10:08 | password sufficient pam_ldap.so
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| 10:08 | password required pam_unix.so try_first_pass
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| 10:08 | common-account:
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| 10:08 | account sufficient pam_ldap.so
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| 10:08 | account required pam_unix.so
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| 10:11 | <sbalneav> Hope that help
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| 10:11 | <rjune__> account required pam_ldap.so
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| 10:11 | account required pam_unix.so
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| 10:11 | that's pretty much what I have in all of them.
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| 10:11 | <sbalneav> No, you want sufficient
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| 10:11 | for the ldap
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| 10:11 | otherwise, it's going to try to authenticate to BOTH the ldap, AND the local box
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| 10:12 | ldap stuff should always be marked sufficient, so that if you authenticate with that, you stop at that point.
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| 10:13 | <rjune__> it's working now. thanks.
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| 10:21 | <ibt> any idea where i can find the ldm source?
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| 10:23 | <skyion> Hey Everyone..
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| 10:23 | I have a problem with an ltsp client not picking up usb drives.
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| 10:23 | running ubuntu 7.04
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| 10:24 | installed default.
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| 10:24 | its picking up on the main server
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| 10:25 | <Gadi> skyion: sudo apt-get install ltspfs
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| 10:25 | <skyion> on the client system?
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| 10:25 | <Gadi> on the server
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| 10:25 | <skyion> kk
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| 10:26 | <Gadi> then, if you can, reboot the server
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| 10:28 | <skyion> will do.
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| 10:28 | thankyou gadi :)
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| 10:28 | <Gadi> good luck
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| 10:38 | <skyion> hmm that didnt help..
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| 10:38 | do i have to rebuild the client kernel?
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| 10:38 | <Gadi> no not at all
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| 10:38 | is the user a member of the 'fuse' group on the server?
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| 10:39 | <skyion> will check
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| 10:39 | <Gadi> (open a terminal window after you login on the thin client and type: id)
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| 10:40 | <skyion> yes
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| 10:40 | hmm i gotta go.
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| 10:40 | :(
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| 10:40 | will try tomorrow
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| 10:41 | thanks for ur help so far
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| 10:41 | <Gadi> np
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| 10:48 | <vagrantc> ogra: i don't think ltsp-update-kernels supports any configuration
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| 10:48 | ogra: that was what my network-boot-menu spec was about
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| 11:47 | <wpgmb> Hello. I am currently running CentOS, although I have no real preference of distro. Would it be wiser to switch to Ubuntu/Debian if I want to implement LTSP, or should LTSP work as well with CentOS(5)?
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| 11:52 | <sbalneav> ogra: Still there?
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| 11:54 | ogra: Take a look at my branch. I've added the gtk greeter, and autoconfed it. It's weird, but now that I've moved the location of the pixmaps, etc. It doesn't work properly anymore. If you get a chance, take a look, would you?
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| 12:09 | <japerry> question--I'm running into an issue with LTSP 4.2 and migrating over to a 64bit host
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| 12:09 | the PXE boot just times out -- it ends with it saying 'cannot load linux kernel'
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| 12:10 | I've checked all my symlinks from the old system, everything is identical as far as the tftpboot and dhcp.conf files are concerned --so I'm thinking its a 32bit/64bit issue
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| 12:13 | <moa_> Hi all
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| 12:15 | anyone know a good way to view someones session?
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| 12:23 | <bob_too> moa_ there is a nice vnc module, check out the wiki for more info
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| 12:24 | it has been a long time since i installed it
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| 12:24 | <moa_> yeah, i'm there right now
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| 12:24 | ever used krfb?
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| 12:24 | <bob_too> nope
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| 12:25 | <moa_> I want it to be silent
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| 12:25 | <wpgmb> Hello. I am currently running CentOS, although I have no real preference of distro. Would it be wiser to switch to Ubuntu/Debian if I want to implement LTSP, or should LTSP work as well with CentOS(5)?
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| 12:31 | <moa_> bob_too: does the vnc module come with the ltsp core packages?
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| 12:40 | <ogra> sbalneav, willdo
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| 12:47 | <sbalneav> wpgmb: You wouldn't happen to be in Winnipeg, Manitoba, would you?
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| 12:50 | wpgmb: ping
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| 13:15 | <wpgmb> sbalneav = yes, I am. Sorry for the delay
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| 13:16 | <sbalneav> heh, go to MUUG at all?
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| 13:16 | I'm in Wpg too.
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| 13:16 | <wpgmb> good to hear... no, I've never been. Busy, busy, busy.
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| 13:16 | <jammcq> and /me will be in wpg in 2 weeks :)
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| 13:17 | <wpgmb> It's a happenin' place... what can I say :o)
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| 13:17 | I wouldn't mind finding an answer to my previously posted question..
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| 13:18 | <DukGalNamu_work> so... does ltsp support dvd playback on clients devices?
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| 13:18 | * jammcq missed the question | |
| 13:18 | <jammcq> DukGalNamu_work: no, it doesn't currently support that
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| 13:18 | <sbalneav> wpgmb: Easiest will be Debian or Ubuntu, but Centos you should be able to get working
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| 13:19 | <DukGalNamu_work> jammcq: will it possibly support it in the future?
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| 13:19 | <wpgmb> sbalneav: I "like" easiest..
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| 13:19 | <jammcq> hopefully
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| 13:19 | <ogra> first audio CDs ....
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| 13:20 | then we'll care fr DVDs :)
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| 13:20 | <wpgmb> sbalneav: Did I mention I was busy? I'm getting kinda tired of supporting all the kids linux boxes one-by-one, so that's why I'm thinking ltsp
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| 13:20 | <DukGalNamu_work> audio cd's not supported yet?
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| 13:20 | <sbalneav> Where do you work?
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| 13:20 | <ogra> nope
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| 13:21 | <DukGalNamu_work> yikes...
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| 13:21 | <wpgmb> Henderson @ McLeod daytime - Convergys eve's - My own photography biz - weekends :o)
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| 13:22 | DukGaINamu_work: Isn't it possible for every user to have their own cache of lessay.. MP3's and play them back via XMMS or somehing? All you'd have to do is add the sound module
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| 13:23 | <ogra> well, that ssomething that works automatic in newer ltsp implementations :)
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| 13:23 | <sbalneav> ogra: Oooo, fixed the bug. :)
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| 13:24 | <ogra> sbalneav, what was it ? (sorry, still busy with the squashfs stuff, i want to get tht done today)
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| 13:24 | <sbalneav> wpgmb: I work for Legal Aid Manitoba. Phone # here
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| 13:24 | 's 985-5249
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| 13:24 | Gimme a buzz if you need a hand.
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| 13:24 | ogra: At one point, you have gint *width, and *height
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| 13:24 | <ogra> ah
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| 13:25 | <sbalneav> They're pointers.
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| 13:25 | <ogra> right
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| 13:25 | <sbalneav> But you allocated no storage for them
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| 13:25 | <ogra> ouch
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| 13:25 | <sbalneav> :)
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| 13:25 | I'll go through the code.
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| 13:25 | <ogra> <-- not good at C
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| 13:25 | <sbalneav> No problem.
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| 13:25 | <wpgmb> sbalneav: Thanks!
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| 13:25 | <ogra> (but the world knows that)
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| 13:25 | :)
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| 13:26 | <wpgmb> sbalneav: are you administering Linux there???
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| 13:26 | <sbalneav> Yep
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| 13:26 | <jammcq> that's an under-statement
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| 13:26 | <sbalneav> 165 LTSP terminals around the province.
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| 13:26 | We're a linux-shop :)
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| 13:26 | <wpgmb> sbalneav: hmmmm interesting - servers only, or desktop as well?
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| 13:26 | sorry
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| 13:27 | <sbalneav> Desktop, server, you name it.
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| 13:27 | <wpgmb> I gotta pick your brain sometime...
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| 13:27 | <sbalneav> Google for Scott Balneaves. You'll find me :)
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| 13:27 | <wpgmb> Ok
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| 13:27 | <sbalneav> sbalneav@ltsp.org
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| 13:28 | <wpgmb> **silent...**
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| 13:29 | scott: you're on my trusty USB stick :o)
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| 13:30 | sooo.... yours is another story of succesfully implementing Linux and LTSP; no problems integrating with the "outside" world?
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| 13:32 | sbalneav: you're right - found you on Youtube LOL
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| 13:39 | <sbalneav> back
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| 13:40 | was afk for a bit
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| 13:40 | Only problem we sometimes get is with whacky document formats.
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| 13:40 | other than that, everything works great
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| 14:01 | <ogra> sbalneav, 5.0.15 is the release where you can start testing the new nbd stuff ... should work out of the box now
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| 14:01 | <sbalneav> It's in gutsy?
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| 14:01 | <ogra> yep
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| 14:01 | <sbalneav> cool
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| 14:02 | <ogra> just uploaded the last fix
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> I'll play with it tonight.
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| 14:02 | <ogra> should wrk now, even though it will still have hidden bugs
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| 14:02 | <ogra> jammcq, for you too, 5.0.15 is the release where you can start testing the new nbd stuff ... should work out of the box now
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| 14:03 | (in gutsy)
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| 14:03 | <jammcq> huh?
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| 14:03 | cool
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| 14:03 | <ogra> ltsp-build-client takes a good amount longer though ... mksquashfs takes its time ....
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| 14:03 | but its really worth it
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| 14:04 | <jammcq> cool
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| 14:04 | sbalneav: did you make your travel plans for Portland yet?
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| 14:04 | <ogra> lts.conf can be put in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/$ARCH/lts.conf now
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| 14:04 | <sbalneav> jammcq: no, not yet.
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| 14:04 | <jammcq> umm, better hop to it
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| 14:05 | <ogra> i'm pondering to move more of the ltsp-client-setup stuff into initramfs now that we have the lts.conf available
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> ogra: ok, pushed the fix up.
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| 14:06 | <ogra> great
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> ogra: why make a different lts.conf for each arch?
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| 14:07 | <ogra> Gadi, because i might want to provide different setups for each chroot
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| 14:07 | its not $ARCH ...
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| 14:07 | <ogra> $ARCH is just what we default to ...
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| 14:07 | its actually $CHROOT
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> could you default to a master
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| 14:08 | <ogra> Gadi, its o probelm to make it read from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/lts.conf
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> say, look in arch first, then outside
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| 14:09 | right
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| 14:09 | like that ;)
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| 14:09 | <ogra> its a trivial change ... but i would like to see justification why to change the default behavior we have now
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| 14:09 | <Gadi> because it reduces maintenance
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| 14:09 | <ogra> currently you have an lts.conf in every chroot
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| 14:09 | <Gadi> yeah, and that is silly
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| 14:09 | imho
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| 14:09 | <ogra> it also reduces flexibility
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| 14:09 | <Gadi> not if you look in arch first
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| 14:09 | and then fall back on a common one
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| 14:09 | <ogra> so we should hear sme users about that ;)
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| 14:10 | ah, well, that would work
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| 14:11 | <ogra> but we'll confuse the users enough with that change ... i'm not sure we should change such a fundamental thing now ...
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> ?
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| 14:12 | <ogra> jammcq, sbalneav ? opinions ^^^
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> you are changing fundamentally where lts.conf lives anyway
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| 14:12 | <ogra> Gadi, right
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> this is exactly the time to change it
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| 14:12 | <ogra> i still get requests where the lts.conf in dapper and edgy is
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> it will be harder later
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> right
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| 14:13 | <ogra> its stuff users are used to ..
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| 14:13 | <Gadi> theyre not used to anything in /var/lib/tftpboot/lts/$ARCH/
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| 14:13 | <ogra> nah
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| 14:13 | <Gadi> theyre used to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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| 14:13 | <ogra> right
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| 14:13 | <Gadi> so, if we are gonna pick a place, lets pick it now
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| 14:13 | :)
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| 14:13 | * ogra would like to hear from the others | |
| 14:14 | <Gadi> okey dokey
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| 14:14 | <ogra> i'm fine with implementing it, its really no big change
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| 14:14 | <GadiInDisguise> I like a common one, myself
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| 14:14 | <ogra> but i want confirmation
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| 14:14 | <sbalneav> I, personally, could go either way.
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| 14:14 | <Gadi> see? that GadiInDisguise fellow's with me
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| 14:14 | <sbalneav> My first thought would be, put it int the $ARCH, and if you want a global one, symlink from there.
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| 14:14 | but that's just me.
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| 14:15 | <ogra> i dont think tftp supports symlinks
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| 14:15 | else i'D use /opt/ltsp/i386/etc and just link it
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| 14:15 | * jammcq would really like to talk about this, but he's in an important mtg right now | |
| 14:15 | <sbalneav> i.e. /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/lts.conf -> i386/lts.conf -> ppc/lts.conf etc.
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| 14:15 | <jammcq> can't concentrate on what you'ze guys are saying
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| 14:15 | <sbalneav> but I'll go either way.
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| 14:16 | Can't you symlink within the tftp tree?
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| 14:16 | <ogra> jammcq, do your meeting, gutsy will release in oct we have time ;)
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| 14:16 | within could work, yes
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| 14:16 | i now external links dont work
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| 14:16 | <sbalneav> Right, you can't symlink OUT of the tftp dir
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| 14:17 | but within is fine, in fact, look in the i386 dir, there's a ton of them.
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| 14:17 | :)
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| 14:17 | <ogra> ah, right, the kernels
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| 14:17 | <sbalneav> I can see advantages both ways.
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| 14:18 | <sbalneav> Why don't you do this:
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| 14:19 | <edgarin> cliebow, hi
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| 14:20 | <sbalneav> ship it so one global one's created, and set up the symlinks in the ltsp-update-kernel script. You can test and see if it's NOT currently a symlink, and if it is, then it's a user-supplied override, and leave it alone.
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| 14:20 | that way, you get the best of gadi's and ogra's world
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| 14:20 | <ogra> yeah, sounds good
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| 14:20 | <sbalneav> gadi, make sense?
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| 14:21 | <sbalneav> Gadi?
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| 14:21 | <Gadi> so, it would ship with one in i386 and a global symlink?
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| 14:21 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 14:21 | <Gadi> ok - if that works
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| 14:21 | <sbalneav> no one up one level, and the symlink in i386
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| 14:21 | <Gadi> ah i se, so: i386/lts.conf -> ../lts.conf
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| 14:22 | even better
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| 14:22 | sounds great
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| 14:22 | <sbalneav> i.e. you ship an /var/lib/tftoboot/ltsp/lts.conf, and the sy... yeah, you got it.
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| 14:22 | seem reasonable?
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> more than -> reasonable++
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| 14:22 | <sbalneav> Now, if they'd just listen to me on the world peace thing, we'd all be better off :)
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| 14:23 | afk for a minute :)
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| 14:25 | <Gadi> I'd listen :)
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| 14:26 | <sbalneav> back
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| 15:02 | <maxdoubt> does ltsp provide a management utility for managing various pxebootable chroot images?
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| 15:17 | <sbalneav> maxdoubt: define "manage"
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| 15:18 | Are you talking about managing the clients, or the chroot itself?
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| 15:19 | Currently, under either Debian or Ubuntu, you'd manage the chroot with the apt-* tools
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| 15:24 | <th13fp45s> Hi, I need to know how LTSP generates the Xorg.conf
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| 15:24 | because i think I found a bug in the generation of this file
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| 15:25 | <th13fp45s> In some places a have a problem with keyboard repetition rate
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| 15:26 | <maxdoubt> sbalneav, i want a front-end that can track each thin client (via mac address or something) and log sensors information... and then also be able to manage the rootnfs on multiple servers... roll out templates to groups of servers or something like that
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| 15:26 | <th13fp45s> So, Can someone help me?
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| 15:26 | <maxdoubt> sbalneav, so basically... a database that logs info about each individual thin client... and then also acts as sort of a front-end to apt on multiple servers
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| 15:27 | sbalneav, and can display this all in some nice little gui hierarchy tree for admins and helpdesk people
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| 15:27 | sbalneav, if something like this doesn't exist, i'll write it
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| 15:28 | sbalneav, but i want to make sure that i'm not duplicating somebody else's effort
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| 15:28 | <th13fp45s> So, Can someone help me?
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| 15:31 | <th13fp45s> Can someone told me where the scripts that generates the Xorg.conf in thin clients
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| 16:33 | <Laibsch> Hi
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| 16:33 | I have recently set up ltsp on ubuntu
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| 16:34 | And it was a struggle since it would absolutely refuse to install anywhere else but /opt
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| 16:34 | In any case
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| 16:34 | I am trying to get it mount an NFS share. /etc/fstab is completely empty which is why I wonder if that is the right place
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| 16:37 | <sepski> /etc/fstab is empty becouse the only thing mounted on the client is the root fs and that's mounted at boot.
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| 16:37 | and the only thing running on the client is Xserver that connects to the server anyway
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| 16:37 | why do you need to mount a nfs share on the client ?
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| 16:42 | <Laibsch> I want to run the ltsp clients on an icecc network = distributed compilation
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| 16:42 | This is non-GUI stuff
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| 16:42 | So far I failed to log into X anyhow
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| 16:43 | startx from the console does work but brings up bare X without any window manager
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| 16:43 | But that is not the issue for now
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| 16:43 | I'd like to have some diskless compilation slaves
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| 16:45 | <Gadi> Laibsch: this is not what LTSP is designed for, so its no wonder its not automatic ;) -> If you cannot add an entry to $LTSPROOT/etc/fstab, why not just add the mount command explicitly to an init script within the chroot
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| 16:45 | oh, and the only display manager installed by default in the chroot is ldm (LTSP display manager) which will only help you get a desktop on the server
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| 16:46 | you could always sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install gdm
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| 16:46 | if you needed one
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| 16:46 | <Laibsch> Oh, I always thought ltsp stuff was really running on the clients
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| 16:46 | <Gadi> nope
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| 16:46 | <Laibsch> But all the graphical stuff is running on the server
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| 16:47 | <Gadi> well, in LTSP5, the default is to basically run: ssh -X user@server /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 16:47 | <Laibsch> Maybe I should also look into other options. To just have root served over NFS
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| 16:47 | <Gadi> the only stuff running on the client is the magic to make local devices work and other such things
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| 16:47 | <Laibsch> Which is more in line with what I want.
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| 16:47 | OK
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| 16:48 | <Gadi> but, in LTSP5 you have an Ubuntu chroot
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| 16:48 | so, you can easily apt-get it and mod it to suit your needs
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| 16:48 | if all you want to do is run something else locally
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| 17:01 | <Laibsch> If I call up md5sum from inside an xterm. Is that going to run on the server or the client computer?
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| 17:01 | * Laibsch has no way to test since the XDMCP login on the server is broken currently | |
| 17:18 | <moa_> what would be the easiest way to tell? I'll test it for you
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| 17:26 | or not, bye all
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| 17:35 | <japerry> hey has anyone tried to do an upgrade on a LTSP 4.2.1 system from Xorg 6.9 to Xorg 7.1?
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| 21:42 | <borg7_> I have a 2 NIC LTSP setup I just installed dansguardian. When I try to boot up a client it gets DHCP but it doesn't pull from TFTP. Any thoughts?
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| 21:46 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:47 | <borg7_> evening again
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| 22:04 | <sahil> what are the various mailing lists that apply to ltsp?
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| 22:07 | <sbalneav> ltsp-discuss is the most active one.
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| 22:32 | <sbalneav> Back
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| 23:52 | <sahil> anyone have experience with the ebox 2300's?
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| 23:56 | <Jasonrsmith> hello everyone
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| 23:57 | anyone there?
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| 23:59 | <sahil> i am here
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| 23:59 | salutations
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