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04:40	<alkisg> Ryan52: see the last comments in https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-session/+bug/474392
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11:40	<gdi2k> hi all, I used to have the dnsmasq method working, as described here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP - but now IPAPPEND 3 does not seem to be working anymore; it does the DHCP request during boot and nbd root fails as it tries to mount from the wrong machine. Any ideas why it would stop working? maybe I bodged a config file somewhere?
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12:46	<hboomsma> Hi guys, I am running a fresh install of ubuntu 13.10 and 14.04 amd64 with fat client images. Both have the problem that the unity-panel-service is not running after login. Did anyone of you encounter similar problems or have a solution or workaround?
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15:50	<gbaman> vagrantc: I made an interesting discovery, in my tests yesterday I had forgotten to have the LTSP clients overclocked
15:50	I had thought I had it in the normal config files that come with raspi-ltsp
15:50	but apparently not
15:51	so reran the tests again this morning
15:51	13.5 seconds to load libreoffice with LTSP (and NBD)
15:51	15 seconds to load from SD card..
15:53	<vagrantc> so a little better performance, eh?
15:53	<gbaman> yea :)
15:53	it is faster than SD card booting of standard Raspbian..
15:54	well, not booting (seeing as we use initrd etc)
15:54	but for loading big applications..
15:54	<vagrantc> nice.
15:54	loading off network or off of SD?
15:54	ah, NBD
15:55	<gbaman> yea, network
15:55	LTSP (NBD) 13.5 seconds
15:55	Raspbian (SD card) 15 seconds
15:56	now of course, that is only 1 client
15:56	<vagrantc> yeah, if the bottleneck is your server's network or a switch, it'll degrade with many clients
15:57	<gbaman> I am now going to be working with the assumption that a server with a gigabit port and a gigabit switch is used
15:57	<vagrantc> or your server's i/o ... although hopefully your servers are able to cache the image file in ram ... it's only a few hundred MB image?
15:57	<gbaman> 1.6gb?
15:58	<vagrantc> the NBD image?
15:58	<gbaman> 4gb non compressed :)
15:58	1.6gb NBD
15:58	<vagrantc> still feasible to cache most of the used parts...
15:58	<gbaman> am guessing that isnt done by default
15:58	<vagrantc> it doesn't actually use the full 1.6GB when booting, typically
15:58	<gbaman> right
15:59	<vagrantc> most linux filesystems since the 90s do some form of disk caching
15:59	er, kernel
15:59	<gvy> :-)
15:59	<gbaman> so shouldnt need to do anything?
16:00	<vagrantc> nope
16:00	how much ram in the servers?
16:00	<gbaman> we wont know
16:00	<vagrantc> at least 2GB?
16:00	<gbaman> oh year
16:00	*yea
16:01	most will be dedicated old desktop machines
16:01	<vagrantc> homedirs on the server will get caching too
16:01	<gbaman> which 95% of will have more than 2gb of ram
16:01	or 2gb
16:01	<gvy> well class 10 sd card is still somewhat slower than full blown 100Mbps
16:02	even if it's actually what it claims to be
16:02	<gbaman> we got 26mb off one of my test cards yesterday gvy
16:02	megabytes
16:02	<gvy> wow
16:03	sd i/o is one of the outstanding worst parts of my arm experience so far
16:03	<gbaman> well, alkisg was assuming hdparm returns megabytes instead of mbits
16:03	he didnt sound too sure
16:03	<gvy> it does
16:03	<gbaman> then there you go
16:04	26 megabytes a second sd card
16:04	and that wasnt a flashy expensive one
16:04	<gvy> would be interesting to know model
16:04	<gbaman> was class 10 though
16:04	<gvy> good to hear :-)
16:05	<gbaman> but difference being stuff on SD card isnt compresssed
16:05	<gvy> ah!! all the ubuntu folks, happy release to you :)
16:05	<gbaman> you are 12 hours late gvy :)
16:06	better late than never :)
16:06	*Goes to check if his Ubuntu 12.04 box is done yet
16:06	nope :)
16:06	did only start it an hour or 2 ago though
16:06	<gvy> I was sleeping and wouldn't bother to wake up and check the mirror I happen to host at ftp.linux.kiev.ua :)
16:07	<gbaman> :)
16:08	vagrantc: was surprised how easy NBD was to add for Pis in the end
16:09	it literally is just ltsp-update-image --config-nbd /opt/ltsp/armhf
16:09	and a new cmdline.txt file
16:09	and is sooo simple to switch back to NFS, just a switch of cmdline.txt file
16:10	nothing needed on serverside
16:10	so it is now already in RaspberryPi-LTSP https://github.com/gbaman/RaspberryPi-LTSP/commit/35ace9eb8fb0b9075d3253d9d4fef4bc6a65216a
16:14	<vagrantc> i spent a lot of time making it easy to switch back and forth between NFS/NBD for debian wheezy.
16:15	it could be better, but it used to require lots of configuration file changes
16:15	<gbaman> :)
16:16	<vagrantc> gbaman: you should be able to replace most of the stuff in /boot with packages from raspbian now
16:16	in your github
16:16	<gbaman> oh?
16:17	wait, where did we get it before?
16:17	where did I get the version on my github again?
16:17	thought it was from the boot folder from inside armhf LTSP build?
16:18	<vagrantc> you probably grabbed it off of some random image off the internets
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16:18	<gbaman> Dont forget I have made changes to the initrd
16:18	have a custom script in the scripts folder in there
16:19	<gvy> vagrantc, that's usually good ol' trusty random image, yes
16:19	<gbaman> that offers a very basic boot menu
16:19	<vagrantc> gbaman: so put your custom script into the image, not in boot
16:20	<gbaman> it needs to run before the main OS
16:20	has to work if there is no LTSP server
16:20	allows uses to switch to a normal Raspbian on the SD card
16:20	*user
16:20	<vagrantc> but the initrd is generated by ltsp-build-client, even if you modify it later ... so instead, generate it right the first time and drop it from your github repository :P
16:21	<gbaman> ?
16:21	hmm
16:21	I guess I could script it...
16:22	so that only my script is sitting on the github
16:22	(and the cmdline.txt files)
16:23	so you suggesting that i include in my script a bit to open the initrd generated by LTSP, place my bit in and hand to user?
16:23	<vagrantc> shipping binaries in a git repository is ugly nastly awful :P
16:24	so don't do it unless there's no other way
16:24	<gbaman> :)
16:25	true, but we still do have the kernel version stuck in the script which we then hand to ltsp-build-client
16:26	"KERNEL_PACKAGES=linux-image-3.2.0-4-rpi"
16:26	so using its version and using the one on my github wont make any difference
16:26	unless I modify it in the script, and everytime I do that, I also upload the most recent one
16:27	isnt a good solution I agree though
16:29	i am in process of starting from scratch with a Debian server
16:29	reinstalled everything
16:29	forgot how dam long it takes to build this pi image!
16:30	the Raspberry Pi foundation add so much software (that I am also adding)
16:30	<vagrantc> so, rather than having a bunch of stuff hard-coded in your github repo, just grab the appropriate stuff at build time
16:31	<gbaman> if I just left it blank in the build config file?
16:31	well, ignored kernel?
16:31	<vagrantc> have your script create the appropriate config file
16:32	you could even make it an ltsp-build-client plugin
16:32	<gbaman> still dont know though were to get the current kernel version from though?
16:32	<vagrantc> there's a raspbian package with an unversioned dependency...
16:33	linux-image-rpi and linux-image-rpi-somethingorother
16:33	<gbaman> ..
16:33	.
16:33	<vagrantc> it just pulls in the appropriate 3.2.x or 3.x.x kernel
16:33	<gbaman> ..
16:33	<vagrantc> apt-cache show linux-image-ri
16:34	er, linux-image-rpi
16:34	<gbaman> ok
16:34	that is too easy :)
16:34	liking that
16:35	ok, so script that in, then once it finishes building, unzip the initrd, grab my script off github and insert, zip back up, then just copy armhf/boot
16:36	and then drop in on top my config.txt file and custom cmdline.txt files
16:38	<vagrantc> and, perhaps against my better judgement, i'd like to integrate raspbian support into ltsp upstream
16:38	much like we did with linuxmint
16:43	<gbaman> ooo
16:43	meaning then we wouldnt need that custom config file?
16:43	<vagrantc> https://bugs.debian.org/741143
16:44	not sure exactly what it'll take... but in theory, the plugin could create the config file...
16:44	<gbaman> plugwash!
16:44	:)
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16:47	<gbaman> he is well known in pi community
16:48	<vagrantc> he's one of the founders, yes.
16:48	founders of raspbian, that is
16:49	<gbaman> yea
16:49	I knew the name was more than usually familiar for a pi community member
16:56	<vagrantc> gbaman: why does your script install ldm-server? aren't they configured as fat clients?
17:00	gbaman: EnableNBDswap could be replaced with "ltsp-config nbd-server", i think.
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17:11	<gbaman> back
17:12	hmm
17:12	there was was something not working about ltsp-config and nbd..
17:14	* vagrantc would like bug reports when things are broken :P
17:17	<gbaman> hahaha
17:17	yea
17:18	need to find a virutal that I havent enabled nbd on yet!
17:18	*virtual
17:20	* vagrantc always has schroot handy for that sort of thing
17:20	<vagrantc> throw-away clean chroots
17:20	<gbaman> ..
17:20	that might have been a smart idea
17:20	instead of reinstalling debian every time..
17:20	<vagrantc> for some tests
17:21	<gbaman> btw vagrantc, did you see Raspi-ltsp has a nice new login screen?
17:21	https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1122948/temp/Starspi.jpg
17:21	<vagrantc> never used any of it, just browsed the code
17:21	but nice :)
17:22	<gbaman> think I mentioned it the other night, might have only been alksig around
17:22	it is actually starting to shape into something actually usable
17:22	even if it is a bit rough around the edges
17:23	ok, time to test, have started from scratch
17:24	a completely fresh Debian wheezy install
17:24	have a funny feeling something wont work
17:25	booting...
17:25	login screen :)
17:26	client successfully logged in
17:28	oops
17:28	forgot, does not by default include libreoffice
17:28	wonder should i..
17:31	next thing, replacing default desktop background..
17:45	right vagrantc, here is a weird one for you...
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17:46	<gbaman> so everything works nicely for the LTSP booted OS
17:46	but remember I added a mini boot menu
17:46	that allowed the user to boot off the SD card
17:46	well, that works nicely..
17:46	except for one minor issue...
17:46	the mouse does not work.....
17:47	I started LXDE as usual and it is ignoring all mouse input..
17:47	the only difference here is we are booting it using the same kernel and initrd that we use for LTSP
17:48	which shouldnt make a difference? but apparently does..
18:15	suggestions vagrantc?
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18:56	<vagrantc> gbaman: probably because you're missing the kernel modules on the OS it'sbooted to
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19:07	<gbaman> back
19:08	ok, recommended method to fix?
19:08	just also distribute the normal kernel included with pi?
19:10	<vagrantc> install the kernel in the image
19:10	you need to have the kernel modules available for whatever kernel you're running... so install the same kernel in both places, whichever kernel works for you.
19:11	<gbaman> sigh
19:11	<vagrantc> and when i say install the kernel, i mean kernel and all related files.
19:11	with a properly done package, that's as simple as "apt-get install linux-image-FOO"
19:12	<gbaman> and the initrd is specific to the kernel it is built with, right?
19:12	<vagrantc> yes
19:12	<gbaman> fudge
19:12	sigh
19:12	* vagrantc waves
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19:12	<gbaman> that makes everything a bit more of a pain
19:29	<\|\|cw> not only the initrd, but the modules in the root filesystsem too
19:31	* gbaman reminds \|\|cw that gbaman is still very new to low level Linux booting processes
19:32	<gbaman> ok \|\|cw, let me pose the scenario
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19:33	<gbaman> I have a custom initrd built for LTSP, it basically adds a script that runs before main OS is loaded asking if user would like to switch to the local SD card and boot off it
19:33	I can't add this to the main LTSP OS as it must work without LTSP being available (BYOD)
19:33	*this script
19:34	I also want users to be able to switch to a local version of Raspbian installed on the SD card
19:34	(btw, with Pis, kernel, initrd etc are stored on boot partition of SD card, no PXE used)
19:35	the Raspbian OS I have no control over, nor do I have any control over what kernel it uses
19:35	it will be available though also on the boot partition
19:35	*its kernel and associated files
19:36	so I am stuck..
19:36	suggestions?
20:01	<\|\|cw> well, the initrd is for the kernel, but the kernel has to have its support files in the root too, usually in /lib/modules/
20:01	so if it works on one root, copy that kernels folder to the other roots too
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20:02	<\|\|cw> if you can't, then when booting they'll have to pick the kernel that they do have setup on their root
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20:32	<clarice> Hi
20:33	Hi is there anyone out there who have a good solution to acces a LTSP server remote, with vpn connection,,, im planning to installl LTSP on my office but i would like to acces the desktop from home from my laptop ?
20:37	<Ryan52> alkisg++ # That bug is exactly what I was looking for, and now that I know the problem, I might provide a patch at some point!
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20:47	<Zaphoid> I'm having an issue on an Ubuntu 12.4.04 LTSP host with random NBD disconnects on an otherwise stable network. Wondering if anyone could point me in a direction to look at for troubleshooting.
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23:16	<rotorooter> I'm working on building the cluster server. I'm following a tutorial and it tells me to "
23:16	Now edit apache2.conf
23:16	sudo pico /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
23:16	and add the following line at the end
23:16	Include /etc/phppgadmin/apache.conf
23:16	Then edit
23:16	?
23:16	1
23:17
23:17	sudo pico /etc/phppgadmin/apache.conf
23:17	and uncomment (remove the # sign) from the beginning of the line that says "Allow from all". Next comment (add the # at the beginning of the line) where it says "allow from 127.0.0.1". BUT THERE IS NO APACHE.CONF file? What should I do just ignore the section?
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