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Channel log from 27 November 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:22 | <stanly> hello can anybody pls tell me how to block application running from server for client??
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| 04:22 | especially for fat client
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| 05:01 | <ame> hi can anyone clear my doubt on how to allow only firefox and some application not all apllications installed on server
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| 05:01 | ??
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| 07:25 | <ame> i have a doubt in installing application in chroot...Do the same application should be installed in server also??
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| 07:27 | how to add ppa for ltsp-chroot??
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| 08:19 | <ame> i have a doubt in installing application in chroot...Do the same application should be installed in server also??
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| 08:19 | <alkisg> No
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| 08:20 | <alkisg> say your problem with more details
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| 08:20 | <ame> but if i remove my the application from server i cant view in client also but it is installed in chroot
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| 08:21 | <alkisg> What application, are you using thin or fat clients, etc etc
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| 08:21 | Which distro/ltsp version...
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| 08:21 | <ame> i have installed freecad in my server and people are using the same software in client...Now i want to reduce my server load so i plan to install the freecad into chroot to take client memory..
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| 08:22 | <ame> And i removed the software from my server bec i have installed in the location
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| 08:22 | <alkisg> Then you need to add it to the LOCALAPPS_MENU lts.conf variable
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| 08:22 | since you're using thin clients, not fat
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| 08:22 | !lts.conf
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| 08:22 | <ltsp`> lts.conf: (#1) http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf, or (#2) lts.conf manpage is available in the ltsp-docs package
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| 08:24 | <ame> am using the both
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| 08:25 | having normal 8 computers with 2GB RAM,core2Duo processor and 160GB harddisk and its booting through PXE and 2 thin clients with atom processor without harddisk
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| 08:26 | <alkisg> !ltsp-pnp
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| 08:26 | <ltsp`> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 08:26 | <alkisg> Try that ^ it's the easiest way to do what you want
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| 08:26 | It'll take you less time than to understand localapps etc
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| 08:26 | <ame> so i need to create image again??
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| 08:27 | <alkisg> You can either troubleshoot your existing installation and image, or go with the easy way and set it up again
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| 08:27 | Your choice
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| 08:27 | Sorry I don't have much time currently to help you troubleshoot your localapps issues
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| 08:28 | <ame> ok
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| 09:13 | <minetreu> Morning! yesterday i was not able to receive a proper display output >> ltsp5 - futro S450 - S2240T . . . but with chrooting and editing xorg.conf i nailed it. thanks for thoughts and energy
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| 09:14 | <alkisg> If you want, just for feedback, mention the pci id of the client card and the changes you needed to make it work
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| 09:26 | <minetreu> i am going to offer (in a few hours) the files and roadmap here >> http://em.kione.de/futro-s450-ltsp5-2/
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| 09:33 | <ame> i have installed application in chroot and i can run the apps by executing ltsp-localapps freecad in client computer
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| 09:37 | And i also i have wrote a wrapper scirpt for the application..And i can run the application by simply giving freecad in terminal...Do anybody have idea on how to create shortcut for the clients...
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| 09:38 | I know how to create shortcuts on server but not in clients
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| 09:45 | <alkisg> ame: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/utopic/en/man5/lts.conf.5.html
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| 09:45 | LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS
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| 09:45 | This item should contain a comma separated list of application names as they appear on their .desktop files.
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| 09:45 | You don't need a wrapper
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| 09:45 | That's what this lts.conf directive does
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| 09:45 | It puts it in the menu of the clients
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| 09:45 | <ame> Can you pls tell me an example of adding a application like freecad in lts.conf
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| 09:45 | ??
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| 09:46 | <alkisg> LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS=freecad
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| 09:46 | <AlexPortable> how can i set the default user interface?
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| 09:46 | i want lxde, not unity
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| 09:46 | <alkisg> !gnome-classic
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| 09:46 | <ltsp`> gnome-classic: To select gnome-classic as your default session, install the gnome-session-fallback package, and put this line in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-classic"
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| 09:46 | <alkisg> You need something similar
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| 09:47 | <AlexPortable> do i have to install lxde on the host os?
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| 09:47 | or on the chrooted ltsp environment
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> Are you using thin or fat clients?
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| 09:47 | <AlexPortable> thin
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> Host os then
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| 09:47 | <AlexPortable> What is better, RDP from thin client to server, or LTSP?
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| 09:47 | <ame> mai i know is thsi host OS /opt/ltsp/amd64??
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| 09:48 | LTSP is better than RDP
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| 09:48 | <alkisg> AlexPortable: if the clients work with lxde, then surely plain xorg (LTSP) is better than RDP
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| 09:48 | !directx
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| 09:48 | <ltsp`> directx: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
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| 09:48 | <alkisg> But note this ^
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| 09:48 | ame: no, host os is the server installation at /
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| 09:49 | <ame> ok
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| 09:49 | <AlexPortable> What are the host os requirements for ltsp server?
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> !docs
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| 09:49 | <ltsp`> docs: (#1) For the latest community documentation, see the LTSP wiki at http://wiki.ltsp.org/, or (#2) For a PDF with official documentation, install the ltsp-docs package.
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| 09:49 | <ame> so how can i create the shortcut of the applications installed on chroot in clients desktop??
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> There are some hints at the pdf
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| 09:49 | <AlexPortable> And who handles the processing power?
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> AlexPortable: for thins, the server. for ltsp fat clients, the clients.
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| 09:50 | <ame> i have both
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> Fats are better, if they indeed have the cpu for it
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| 09:50 | <ame> thin clients are waste??
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> ame: not on desktop, it goes to the menu
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| 09:50 | No, thin clients are not waste
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| 09:50 | <ame> yes i want to do it on menu
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| 09:50 | <AlexPortable> Do fat clients need an harddisk?
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> ame: read again what I said above
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| 09:50 | <AlexPortable> I have 2 systems without an harddisk that I would like to use for this
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> (11:46:28 πμ) alkisg: LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS=freecad
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| 09:51 | <ame> pls tel me an example of local apps in lts.conf
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> AlexPortable: no, they don't
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| 09:51 | ame: stop talking and read
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| 09:51 | I already answered many times
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| 09:51 | <ame> so that i will continue by adding other applications also
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| 09:52 | <AlexPortable> so where does the fat client stores it data?
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| 09:52 | <alkisg> AlexPortable: see those 2, the second is easier if it matches your needs:
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| 09:52 | !fatclients
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| 09:52 | <ltsp`> fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 09:52 | <alkisg> !ltsp-pnp
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| 09:52 | <ltsp`> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 09:52 | <ame> if i want to add another application then i have to give entry again as for example LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS=mozilla
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| 09:52 | <AlexPortable> it's mounted locally
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| 09:52 | <ame> ??
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| 09:52 | <AlexPortable> yeah i'm reading that now
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| 09:52 | <alkisg> ame: LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS=freecad,firefox
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| 09:52 | <AlexPortable> Home directory is mounted on login (with sshfs, optionally with NFS), while thin client is directly on the server.
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| 09:52 | <ame> super
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| 09:52 | <AlexPortable> ah both are in the network
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| 09:53 | <ame> will the applications installed in chroot will eats clients RAM memory??
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| 09:53 | <alkisg> In the server
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| 09:53 | ame: yes, client memory
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| 09:53 | <AlexPortable> are there any configuration differences in fat vs thin clients?
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| 09:53 | <alkisg> Not many, they're usually auto-configured
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| 09:53 | <ame> so i need to add local items menu for only the application to run in client memory right??
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| 09:54 | <alkisg> ame: yes
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| 09:54 | <ame> then good
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| 09:54 | <AlexPortable> FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOPS="ubuntu-desktop"
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| 09:54 | this would be FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOPS="lxde" then?
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| 09:54 | <alkisg> the package name
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| 09:54 | sudo apt-get install what?
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| 09:54 | <ame> but i build image with FAT_CLIENTS_DESKTOPS="ubuntu-desktop"
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| 09:54 | <alkisg> lxde-desktop? lubuntu-desktop?
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| 09:55 | <AlexPortable> sudo apt-get install lxde
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| 09:55 | <ame> And i installed gdm and purge lightdm
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| 09:55 | All my clients are working good
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| 09:55 | then what is thsi lxde??
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| 09:55 | <alkisg> AlexPortable: probably sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop, if you're talking about ubuntu
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| 09:55 | ame: we're not talking about you now
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| 09:55 | <AlexPortable> well i have lxde installed via that command
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| 09:56 | <alkisg> AlexPortable wants lxde, and I'm telling him how to install it
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| 09:56 | <ame> and only more doubt sometimes all my clients are working slowly??may i know why??\
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| 09:56 | like hanging and if we select an option it will take sometimes to execute
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| 09:56 | ok
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| 09:56 | sorry
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| 09:57 | <AlexPortable> is it normal that /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf and /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf are empty by default?
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| 09:57 | <alkisg> They both should not exist by default
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| 09:58 | <AlexPortable> ok
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| 09:59 | <ame> what are the types opf entry in lts.conf for RAM consumption??
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| 09:59 | where can i get it detaily??
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| 10:00 | <alkisg> They're called "desktop environments", google it
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| 10:03 | <ame> i have done the entry in lts.conf as u said but still my application in menu eats my server memory
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| 10:03 | i have installed the applicatiopn both in chroot and host os also
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| 10:04 | <alkisg> Put your lts.conf to pastebin
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| 10:04 | !pastebin
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| 10:04 | <ltsp`> pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 10:05 | <AlexPortable> default session is the one in the /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf ?
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| 10:07 | <alkisg> It's either decided dynamically (the first one of the installed DEs), or via LDM_SESSION=xxx
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| 10:08 | <ame> paste bin means?/
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| 10:08 | <AlexPortable> ok
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| 10:08 | ame: http://pastebin.com/
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| 10:08 | <ame> what is the use of paste bin??
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| 10:08 | <AlexPortable> ._.
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| 10:08 | <elias_a> To share the contents to the people who help you.
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| 10:08 | <AlexPortable> how to differentiate in thin and fat clients?
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| 10:09 | <ame> oh
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| 10:09 | <AlexPortable> i want 1 thin client, and the rest should be fat clients
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| 10:09 | <alkisg> AlexPortable: [mac address] LTSP_FATCLIENT=False for that one
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| 10:10 | <ame> This is the single problem for mr
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| 10:10 | <AlexPortable> /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf ?
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| 10:10 | <ame> i just cant able to see the menu in desktop menu thats all
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| 10:11 | <elias_a> alkisg: LTSP κερδίζει τη δημοτικότητα ή οι χρήστες παίρνουν ηλίθιο για κάποιο λόγο ...
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| 10:11 | <alkisg> elias_a: hehe :) sorry but that doesn't make sense, write it in english!
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| 10:11 | <ame> And how to block the applications installed on server because all applications installed on server can see by users..
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| 10:12 | <alkisg> elias_a: in my region, more than half of the schools here are now using ltsp
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| 10:13 | <elias_a> alkisg: That is good to know!
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| 10:13 | <alkisg> For high schools, it's up to 95%... :)
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| 10:13 | <minetreu> hi alkisg, hi elias_a
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| 10:13 | <alkisg> Hi minetreu
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| 10:13 | AlexPortable: no, in lts.conf
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| 10:13 | !lts.conf
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| 10:13 | <ltsp`> lts.conf: (#1) http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf, or (#2) lts.conf manpage is available in the ltsp-docs package
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| 10:14 | <minetreu> what region are you in elias_a
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| 10:14 | <elias_a> minetreu: Finland, SW corner of the country.
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| 10:15 | minetreu: I just have the bad habit of using Google translator and commenting stuff to alkisg in "Greek".
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| 10:16 | But as Greek is as difficult for computer translations as Finnish, the output is very often both "Greek" and nonsense. ;-)
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| 10:17 | <minetreu> elias_a: ok, i am in germany - i see only some schools, but they are far from using linux/ltsp
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| 10:17 | <elias_a> minetreu: You see some schools - where?
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| 10:18 | <ame> Do we need to update the image after editing lts.conf in the location /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc/lts.conf
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| 10:18 | ??
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| 10:18 | <minetreu> nope
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| 10:18 | <ame> [example] key=value SOUND=True [Default] LOCALDEV = true [default] NBD_SWAP=True LOCAL_APPS = True LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS=freecad,firefox,arduino
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| 10:19 | The above are the only values i entered in lts.conf
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| 10:19 | <alkisg> ame: use /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
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| 10:19 | Not /opt/ltsp...
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| 10:19 | <ame> oh ok ok
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| 10:19 | in host os??
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| 10:19 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 10:20 | <ame> but i dont find any file in the name of lts.conf in the location??
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| 10:20 | i need to create??
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| 10:20 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 10:21 | <ame> Can u please send me a sample page of lts.conf and not syntax??
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| 10:21 | <alkisg> Google please
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| 10:21 | Not much time for detailed help
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| 10:22 | <minetreu> cool, three answers, which i could have given correct, makes me knowing 0.03% of ltsp
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| 10:22 | <ame> so we only need to entry the things we want like local apps,local dev like that right??
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| 10:22 | no need for the configuration which i send you??
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| 10:22 | [example] key=value SOUND=True [Default] LOCALDEV = true [default] NBD_SWAP=True LOCAL_APPS = True LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS=freecad,firefox,arduino
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| 10:24 | <minetreu> i recommend: alias ltsconf="sudo nano /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf" exchange your arch...
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| 10:25 | <ame> sorry minetreau i dont get you...can you say clearly?
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| 10:26 | <minetreu> sure, i recommend setting up a alias, while working on the lts.conf, saves time, i guess
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| 10:27 | $alias ltsconf="sudo nano /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf"
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| 10:28 | <minetreu> or append the line to your ~/.bash_aliases and $source ~/.bash_aliases
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| 10:28 | ok?
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| 10:30 | <ame> Thank you all for your better guidance and help but my doubt on creating shorcut on menu is not cleared still...i have did entry in the location as you said i dont find the application running on locally
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| 10:30 | its still eating server memory
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| 10:32 | <minetreu> i hungry now
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| 10:35 | <ame> oh then have food
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| 10:55 | <minetreu> :) always better working after filling up nutrition depots
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| 11:02 | alkisg: how do cli reboot your clients (without epoptes)
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| 11:03 | <alkisg> I don't use cli to reboot the clients
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| 11:04 | <minetreu> makes me asking you, on how could i achieve this :)
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| 11:06 | or how to, without being physical present on the client nor the screen
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| 11:08 | <alkisg> You could setup passwordless ssh
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| 11:16 | <minetreu> mmh - i was sure there is a way, killing a users session by knowing his pid through 'whoison' results the client to be in greetingscreen
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| 11:16 | here i can find settings/reboot
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| 11:18 | and a ip
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| 11:19 | which is pingable from servers terminal, unfortunately my brain is not able to figure the next step
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| 12:35 | <minetreu> !ltsp-pnp
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| 12:35 | <ltsp`> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 13:16 | <AlexPortable> So I should configure a desktop, and then create ltps server on it?
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| 13:16 | ltsp*
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| 13:16 | instead of configuring a server
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| 13:29 | <AlexPortable> so
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| 13:29 | i disabled dhcp on the main router
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| 13:29 | yet i can't get ltsp to work
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| 14:52 | <epoptes_user7> hello, can this application be used on tablets, windows and android?
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| 14:54 | <AlexPortable> How can I deploy LTSP while I already have a DHCP server?
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| 15:00 | <AlexPortable> When I remove isc-dhcp-server: The following packages will be removed: isc-dhcp-server ltsp-server-standalone
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| 15:00 | how can i only remove dhcp-server?
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| 15:13 | <muppis> Your dhcpd runs elsewhere?
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| 15:23 | <muppis> AlexPortable, run 'update-rc.d isc-dhcp-server disable && /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server stop' and you can ignore it.
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| 15:24 | <AlexPortable> muppis: I have a router with dhcp
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| 15:24 | muppis: will the cient still see the server now?
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| 15:26 | <muppis> Not the dhcp from ltsp-server, but you adjust next-server -option in router dhcpd.
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| 15:35 | <AlexPortable> Huh
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| 15:49 | <work_alkisg> AlexPortable: try to follow the ltsp-pnp page from scratch, on a newly installed desktop machine, it should work as you want it out of the box
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| 15:49 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 15:49 | <ltsp`> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 15:49 | <AlexPortable> I just followed ltsp page
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| 15:51 | <work_alkisg> Which ltsp page?
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| 15:53 | <AlexPortable> https://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-create-ubuntu-1104-x64-ltsp-server-32bit-thin-clients
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| 15:54 | <work_alkisg> OK, don't use that one, use the one I pasted above
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| 15:54 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 15:54 | <ltsp`> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 15:57 | <work_alkisg> AlexPortable: what are your client specs? cpu, ram?
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| 15:57 | <AlexPortable> 700 to 2 gb
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| 15:58 | cpu, mostly singlecore, 1 dual core i believe
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| 15:58 | <work_alkisg> OK, so use the i386 desktop image
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| 15:58 | <AlexPortable> but I also would like to use another pc with more than 4 gb ram
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| 15:58 | but not sure on that yet
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| 15:58 | <work_alkisg> i386 supports up to 64 gb ram
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> And I'd suggest that you use the gnome-flashback package
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| 15:59 | Are you going with 12.04 or with 14.04?
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| 16:00 | <AlexPortable> debian 7
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> Is that wheezy?
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| 16:00 | <AlexPortable> yes
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> OK so you don't need the ppa steps from the ltsp-pnp wiki page
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| 16:01 | The rest of the steps should work fine
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| 16:02 | Wait I think someone has a debian ltsp-pnp page
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| 16:02 | https://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto ==> paragraph: Installing LTSP using the LTSP-PNP method
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| 16:02 | Use that one instead ^
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| 16:02 | <AlexPortable> What is PNP method exactly?
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| 16:03 | <alkisg> It's a way to have ltsp without a chroot. To "export" the server chroot and use it for the clients as well.
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| 16:03 | So you have e.g. i386 + gnome-flashback for the server, and maintain it like any desktop machine,
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| 16:03 | then you run ltsp-update-image -c /, and the server OS is compressed and exported for the clients too
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| 16:04 | <AlexPortable> well so I have to use a dedicated machine for this?
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> So it's very easy to maintain it graphically
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| 16:04 | <AlexPortable> I can't put it on my server?
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| 16:04 | or should I run it in a vm
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> Wait, aren't you the one that was asking yesterday about how to maintain the "chroot" graphically?
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| 16:05 | <AlexPortable> no
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> Sorry, my bad
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| 16:05 | Forget all I suggested :)
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| 16:06 | <AlexPortable> That moment when you already started installing
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| 16:07 | <AlexPortable> Well w/e :D
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| 16:07 | anyway
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| 16:07 | so not use the PNP Method?
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> I don't know your use case, I can't suggest!
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| 16:08 | But if you already have a real server not dedicated to ltsp, then no, ltsp-pnp isn't for that
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| 16:08 | ..unless you use a VM
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| 16:08 | !proxydhcp
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| 16:08 | <ltsp`> proxydhcp: A proxy DHCP server is defined by the PXE specification as a server which sends auxiliary boot information to clients, like the boot filename, tftp server or rootpath, but leaves the task of IP leasing to the normal DHCP server. More info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> About the existing dhcp, you can read that ^ page, it does have some info that you might need to adjust for debian
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| 16:09 | I think the "https://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto ==> paragraph: Installing LTSP using the LTSP-PNP method" will also have information about proxydhcp
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| 16:11 | <AlexPortable> can I upgrade the image on a VM?
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| 16:11 | but still distribute it on my server?
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| 16:11 | <work_alkisg> sure
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| 16:11 | <AlexPortable> how can I do this?
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| 16:13 | <work_alkisg> sorry, really gotta go, next time :)
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| 16:14 | <AlexPortable> ok
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| 16:14 | thanks anyway
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| 17:40 | <minetreu> users sudo passwd is gone in ltsp-pnp... only me conquering this? i mean by su'ing and set a new it is ok... but why is that?
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| 19:24 | <stevecook> Hello. My name is steve cook. I have ltsp server installed on ubuntu 12.04 with a fat client running off it. I am able to establish an internet connection fine after logging in. however, each time, i must re-enter my internet passphrase. Please could somebody tell me how to automatically get internet access without having to enter the passphrase ash time?
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| 19:43 | <AlexPortable> steve jobs = tim cook = steve cook
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| 19:43 | :D
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| 19:49 | Which image do I have to move to my tftp server for upload?
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| 20:02 | <stevecook> Hi alex. I wish I has Steve job's money and I don't have c lue who time Cook is...lol......anybody here can help me with my problem?
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| 20:05 | <AlexPortable> Nah everyone is afk here :P
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| 20:05 | Tim Cook is the CEO of apple
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| 20:10 | <stevecook> ah right. That's a hell of a conincidence! Nobody else on here then? I't bugging the hell out of me having to enter the internet passphrase each time I log onto the fat client. There must suirely be a way to enable the connection automatically
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| 20:13 | <alkisg> stevecook: LDM doesn't support unlocking gnome-keyring
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| 20:13 | Use a keyring that doesn't have a password
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| 20:13 | (for the keyring, not for the connection)
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| 20:15 | https://major.io/2009/02/26/prevent-gnome-keyring-from-asking-for-a-password-when-networkmanager-starts/
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| 20:28 | <stevecook> thanks, I'll take a look at the link
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| 22:44 | <stevecook> Hello folks. Came on earlier to learn how to avoid having to enter admin password when connecting to internet connection on fat client. Have now fixed that. Only problem remaining is the need to then enter the wireless passphrase. I want to avouid users having to do this so that it connects automatically. Any advice gratefully recieved
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