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Channel log from 2 April 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:54 | <muh2000> damn
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| 03:54 | <Q-FUNK> ?
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| 03:55 | <muh2000> i built an kernel (the old one did not have geode lx included)
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| 03:55 | now that thing does not boot.
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| 03:55 | i see the msg: loading vmlinzz and loading initrd.img............... Ready. <- thats it :(
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| 03:58 | <muh2000> is there something i have to be aware of? (except for root on NFS in kernel config...) ?
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| 04:19 | <exodos> muh2000: remove 'quiet' and/or 'splash' from the kernel command line and try again
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| 04:23 | <muh2000> exodos: um where is said kernel command line?
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| 04:26 | <laga> morning
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| 04:27 | <muh2000> or do you mean the options in the default file? "append ro initrd=ltsp/i386/initrd.img root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp boot=nfs"
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| 04:34 | <exodos> muh2000: and thats all?
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| 04:34 | maybe you should wait a bit longer...
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| 04:34 | <muh2000> default terminal
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| 04:34 | label terminal
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| 04:34 | kernel ltsp/i386/vmlinuz
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| 04:34 | <muh2000> append rw initrd=ltsp/i386/initrd.img root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp boot=nfs
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| 04:35 | that is all
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| 04:37 | <exodos> try again and wait ca 10 min
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| 04:37 | <muh2000> 10 minutes?
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| 04:38 | <exodos> then you will be almost sure this is not a network problem (I had it myself)
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| 04:38 | <muh2000> the other kernel starts to load after 10 seconds.
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| 04:38 | ok
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| 04:40 | at least i think i have all the important drivers in the kernel
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| 04:42 | <exodos> but you should be able to see some kernel messages even without drivers
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| 04:42 | <muh2000> is it a good or a bad sign when i cannot switch on/off the LED on my keyboard for num lock? or is it normal at that early state (usb keyboard)
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| 04:43 | <exodos> i'm not expert but with usb this can be normal
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| 04:44 | why did you compile this kernel by yourself?
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| 04:44 | i'm able to use debian/ubuntu one with geode
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| 04:44 | <muh2000> exodos: x server is having problems with my vga so i figured i could make a proper kernel -> old kernel lacked of vga for my geode board
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| 04:45 | also sound wasn detected.
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| 04:45 | with the old one
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| 04:46 | i wanted to fix those things before i go further with messing around an unstable x etc.
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| 04:47 | <exodos> video drivers for X are part of xserver, not the kernel
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| 04:48 | in kernel you can have some framebuffer for geode, if you need one
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| 04:48 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-amd/+bug/140051
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| 04:48 | <ogra_cmpc_> and for neither you should recompile the kernel
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| 04:48 | <exodos> check this link, its about video problem with geode on LTSP
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| 04:48 | <ogra_cmpc_> its all managed by modules through the initramfs
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| 04:49 | <muh2000> ogra_cmpc_: the only kernel that likes to boot on my machine is the one that has no "modules" folder at all.....
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| 04:49 | <ogra_cmpc_> ??
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| 04:49 | a selfcompiled one ?
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| 04:50 | <muh2000> ogra_cmpc_: not that i know of
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| 04:50 | <ogra_cmpc_> it wouldnt boot if there were no modules
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| 04:52 | <muh2000> ogra_cmpc_: you can visit me if you want to :)
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| 04:53 | exodos: so i waited 14 minutes now. still stalling right after downloading the kernel/initrd
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| 04:56 | <exodos> muh2000: most probably your kenrel is missing some important piece
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| 04:57 | <muh2000> exodos: and what about that kernel that was provided by ltsp that does not want to boot too?
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| 04:58 | <ogra_cmpc_> define "does not want to boot" ... you dont even get a console and it locks up hard even with SCREEN_02=shell set in lts.conf ?
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| 04:59 | where does it break exactly with the shipped kernel
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| 04:59 | <muh2000> ogra_cmpc_: definition: same error with the kernel i built myself: sops after downloading kernel/initrd and saying "ready"
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| 05:00 | <ogra_cmpc_> how much ram does the device have ?
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| 05:00 | <muh2000> 256mbyte
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| 05:00 | <ogra_cmpc_> thats plenty
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| 05:00 | <muh2000> the only kernel that boots is the one without an /lib/modules/versionnumber dir
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| 05:01 | <ogra_cmpc_> where did you get that from ?
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| 05:01 | <muh2000> debian probably
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| 05:01 | (apt-get...)
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| 05:01 | <ogra_cmpc_> probably ??
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| 05:02 | which package ?
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| 05:02 | <muh2000> i cannot remember building ltsp-build-client from tgz so it has to be from debian
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| 05:02 | <laga> ogra_cmpc_: do you plan another ltsp upload before hardy?
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| 05:02 | <ogra_cmpc_> indeed i do
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| 05:03 | <muh2000> i am looking for my digicam damn.
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| 05:03 | <laga> ogra_cmpc_: great, got a small patch for my plugin. i'll make a ticket later :)
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| 05:03 | <ogra_cmpc_> good
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| 05:03 | assign it directly to me so i dont forget
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| 05:03 | <laga> yup
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| 05:04 | <ogra_cmpc_> muh2000, you said you got it by apt-get ... that made me assume you installed it additionally
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| 05:04 | * vagrantc notes that SCREEN_01-SCREEN_06 are used by getty on debian | |
| 05:04 | <muh2000> ogra_cmpc_: i am sorry for the confusion. apt-get the ltsp package and ltsp-build-client for the rest -> that is where the kernel comes form i guess.
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| 05:05 | <vagrantc> though maybe i'll fix that next upload.
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| 05:05 | !versions
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| 05:05 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "versions" is not a valid command.
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| 05:05 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 05:05 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', (1 more message)
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| 05:06 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values *version*
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| 05:06 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp42', 'ltsp5', 'ubuntu', and 'ver'
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| 05:06 | <vagrantc> !ver
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| 05:06 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2 $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2 $3}'
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| 05:06 | <ogra_cmpc_> vagrantc, that shouldnt matter (at least it used to work on ubuntu in pre upstart times even on these consoles)
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| 05:07 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: in my experience on debian you get really bizarre behavior because you simultaneously have a getty and a shell running on the same input/output.
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| 05:08 | ogra_cmpc_: so i would definitely discourage it on debina.
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| 05:08 | <muh2000> vagrantc: SCREEN_01 in the lts.conf ?
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| 05:08 | <vagrantc> debian.
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| 05:08 | muh2000: yes. do not use SCREEN_01-SCREEN_06
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| 05:08 | <ogra_cmpc_> well, on ubuntu tty1 is neede by upstart
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| 05:09 | <vagrantc> muh2000: this is debian, yes?
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| 05:09 | <ogra_cmpc_> scott wrote some remapping code for that iirc
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| 05:09 | probably we can re use that for the others
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| 05:09 | <muh2000> vagrantc: um ok, but without screen_01 my monitor stays BLACK
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| 05:09 | vagrantc: yes debian
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| 05:09 | <vagrantc> muh2000: could you get the version info?
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| 05:09 | !ver
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| 05:09 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2 $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2 $3}'
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| 05:10 | <muh2000> erm what is the cmd and what not?
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| 05:10 | <vagrantc> ^^
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| 05:10 | <muh2000> ver -> not found
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| 05:11 | this? COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2 $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2 $3}'
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| 05:11 | <vagrantc> yes.
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| 05:11 | please paste to the pastebot:
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| 05:11 | !pastebot
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| 05:11 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 05:11 | <muh2000> http://nopaste.org/p/aCSrZVshrb
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| 05:12 | <vagrantc> ok, so that all looks current.
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| 05:13 | muh2000: so, when it boots, you get a black screen, or you see the kernel messages and then a black screen ?
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| 05:13 | <muh2000> vagrantc: when it tries to start the x stuff (i see all the kernel msgs then black)
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| 05:13 | <vagrantc> muh2000: ok...
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| 05:15 | muh2000: so, if you set CONFIGURE_X=False and SCREEN_07=shell ... do you get to a login prompt?
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| 05:15 | <ogra_cmpc_> you siad it stops with "ready" before loading initramfs 10mins ago
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| 05:15 | <vagrantc> muh2000: in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 05:15 | <muh2000> ogra_cmpc_: depends which kernel i use.
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| 05:16 | <ogra_cmpc_> well, i asked for the shipped one
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| 05:16 | <muh2000> ogra_cmpc_: one of the shiped stops with said msg.
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| 05:16 | <ogra_cmpc_> <muh2000> ogra_cmpc_: definition: same error with the kernel i built myself: sops after downloading kernel/initrd and saying "ready"
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| 05:16 | <muh2000> one of the shipt boots
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| 05:16 | <vagrantc> muh2000: what manual modifications have you made ?
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| 05:17 | <muh2000> image of kernel without modules booting: http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=imag00343c6.jpg
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| 05:17 | ogra_cmpc_: and not before, AFTER initrd gets loaded from the network.
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| 05:17 | <vagrantc> oh, looks like you've defined a SCREEN_01
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| 05:18 | <ogra_cmpc_> what else do you have in your lts.conf ?
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| 05:18 | <muh2000> vagrantc: when i remove the screen line all i see is a black screen
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| 05:18 | <vagrantc> muh2000: so, if you set CONFIGURE_X=False and SCREEN_07=shell ... do you get to a login prompt?
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| 05:18 | * ogra_cmpc_ thinks muh2000 should start with a fresh chroot without all the fiddlings and selfcompiled bits | |
| 05:18 | <vagrantc> muh2000: and please paste your lts.conf file to pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 05:19 | <ogra_cmpc_> its hard to debug something in that state
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| 05:20 | <laga> grrr. sudo!! i was setting LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS to be able to upgrade my chroot.. to bad sudo stripped that variable.
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| 05:21 | <muh2000> vagrantc: i see a normal login screen. it i like a normal boot up. i see the old msgs and the login under that
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| 05:21 | <vagrantc> muh2000: ok.
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| 05:21 | <muh2000> ogra_cmpc_: i could do that. but it is new and the kernel is the only selfcompiled thing
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| 05:21 | <vagrantc> laga: that's where my new ltsp-chroot script comes in handy :)
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| 05:22 | <ogra_cmpc_> laga, sudo -E
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| 05:22 | (preserves the env)
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| 05:22 | <laga> ogra_cmpc_: i dont need sudo inside the chroot anyways :)
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| 05:22 | yeah, thanks
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| 05:22 | <muh2000> http://nopaste.org/p/alxF9cn1A
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| 05:22 | <vagrantc> muh2000: it seems like you've edited lts.conf, you've added a root password, and installed a kernel? is that absolutely everything you've changed?
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| 05:22 | muh2000: how did you install the kernel? it's not part of etch.
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| 05:23 | * gvy is back (gone 17:03:40) | |
| 05:23 | <muh2000> vagrantc: i connot think at more of what i could have changed - but i can do a new install - i have tha bandwidth and the time.
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| 05:24 | <vagrantc> muh2000: it might be good to start with something fresh.
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| 05:24 | <muh2000> vagrantc: the kernel: downloaded kernel sources, made nfs rw,(on ltsp client) booted the kernel i could boot - loged in with root and started to make my kernel as usual
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| 05:25 | hm ok
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| 05:25 | <vagrantc> muh2000: basically, it seems likely that X.org isn't autoconfiguring your video card.
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| 05:25 | <laga> ogra_cmpc_: is hal installed in your regular ltsp chroots?
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| 05:25 | <ogra_cmpc_> nope
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| 05:25 | <laga> ok.
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| 05:25 | <ogra_cmpc_> intrepid :)
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| 05:25 | <vagrantc> muh2000: i wouldn't recommend using rw NFS like that...
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| 05:25 | * laga finds someone else to complain to | |
| 05:25 | <vagrantc> muh2000: i'd just use chroot on the server to do weird and crazy things.
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| 05:26 | <muh2000> vagrantc: chroot on server => hw information of server.
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| 05:26 | <ogra_cmpc_> for what does that matter if you compile ?
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| 05:26 | <vagrantc> muh2000: every single kernel i've used for the last 5 years was built on a debian machine with totally different hardware than i used it on.
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| 05:26 | muh2000: that works fine. :)
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| 05:27 | <muh2000> i never crosscompiled/dont know how to do it, server is 64/32 bit client 32
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| 05:27 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 05:27 | that's a little different.
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| 05:27 | <ogra_cmpc_> not really
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| 05:27 | <muh2000> (and it took the geode 5 hours to build ^^)
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| 05:27 | <exodos> do anyone know if issue from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-amd/+bug/140051 was fixed in etch?
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| 05:27 | * gvy . o O ( 13:25 in the morning, time to start working ) | |
| 05:27 | <ogra_cmpc_> exodos, very unlikely
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| 05:27 | <gvy> hi! :)
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| 05:28 | <ogra_cmpc_> exodos, it was fixed in sid yesterday i heard (at least the xserver-xorg bits that are needed for teh driver fix)
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| 05:28 | it is fixed in ubuntu hardy
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| 05:29 | <exodos> ogra_cmpc_: hardy its working for me with custom xorg.conf
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| 05:29 | <muh2000> --arch would be the proper cmd for crosscompile?
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| 05:30 | <vagrantc> almost certainly not fixed in etch, as it wasn't reported till late 2007, and etch was released in early 2007 (and frozen since late 2006)
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| 05:30 | <exodos> muh2000: maybe try hardy then?
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| 05:30 | <muh2000> exodos: for the ltsp chroot?
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| 05:30 | <ogra_cmpc_> the chroot is 32bit, it will use compiler and libc it finds in the chroot ... your host kernel shouldnt matter at all
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| 05:30 | <exodos> muh2000: yes
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| 05:31 | i coulnt get my geode to work with LTSP before fixing mentioned issue
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| 05:32 | <ogra_cmpc_> well, you could have used it as telnet terminal :)
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| 05:32 | <exodos> you can either use hardy where its fixed or try to compile newest xserver by yourself (much harder)
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| 05:32 | :D
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| 05:32 | <muh2000> ogra_cmpc_: when i do make menuconfig it makes a conf for a x64 kernel...
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| 05:33 | <vagrantc> muh2000: you did build it with --arch i386, i'm guessing? because the default is amd64 on an amd64 system.
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| 05:33 | <ogra_cmpc_> you have a config in /boot in the chroot, copy that in place and work off these defaults
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| 05:33 | <muh2000> vagrantc: built what?
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| 05:33 | <ogra_cmpc_> vagrantc, well, that would explain why it doesnt boot :)
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| 05:33 | heh
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| 05:33 | <vagrantc> muh2000: ltsp-build-client --foo
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| 05:34 | * ogra_cmpc_ didnt think of that | |
| 05:34 | <vagrantc> but if it gets all the way to a login prompt...
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| 05:34 | <muh2000> ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --dist etch
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| 05:34 | <laga> on my boxes, i get a error by the kernel when i boot amd64 on i386
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| 05:34 | <vagrantc> muh2000: --extra-mirror "http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org ..." ??
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| 05:34 | <ogra_cmpc_> laga, ubuntu kernels are totally different
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| 05:34 | <muh2000> and since there is no amd64 dir under /opt/ltsp/.
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| 05:35 | vagrantc: one of the cmds had that yes
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| 05:35 | <vagrantc> muh2000: ok. just checking if you installed etch, and then upgraded the chroot manually, or pulled in the backports at install time.
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| 05:35 | <laga> ogra_cmpc_: ah, so that's something added by ubuntu
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| 05:36 | <ogra_cmpc_> i assume so, i havent seen that message on other OSes yet
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| 05:37 | <muh2000> ogra_cmpc_: when i copy the conf file it still will change the conf to a x64 system
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| 05:37 | <ogra_cmpc_> it wont change files if you dont change them
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| 05:37 | if the config defines a 32bit kernel, the compiler will build that
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| 05:38 | anyway, there is really no reason to compile kernels
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| 05:38 | <muh2000> ogra_cmpc_: but make menuconfig is switching.
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| 05:38 | <ogra_cmpc_> if you load the config from a file ?
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| 05:39 | that would be something to file a bug about
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| 05:39 | it surely doesnt do so here
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| 05:40 | <muh2000> i copied the conf file from /boot(chroot) and hit "make menuconfig" ----> processor type ---> x64
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| 05:40 | <ogra_cmpc_> you used menuconfig to copy the file on place as documented ?
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| 05:40 | s/on/in
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| 05:41 | <muh2000> menuconfig can copy files?
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| 05:41 | copied per hand
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| 05:41 | <ogra_cmpc_> it wont read it if you copy it manually
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| 05:41 | read up on kernel configuration :)
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| 05:42 | vagrantc, i'm so tempted to grab your ldm from sid ... (and reroll the tarball for a proper version ) ....
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| 05:42 | <muh2000> from what i get it reads a bit and also generates it.
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| 05:43 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: for hardy?
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| 05:43 | <ogra_cmpc_> yeah
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| 05:43 | you got so many good bits
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| 05:44 | <vagrantc> well thanks :)
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| 05:44 | always happy to see a diff.
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| 05:44 | <ogra_cmpc_> makes me greey
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| 05:44 | *greedy
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| 05:44 | <vagrantc> er, see a smaller diff.
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| 05:44 | * muh2000 is installing from scratch (not lfs) | |
| 05:44 | <ogra_cmpc_> well, i still have the themes in my debian dir
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| 05:44 | and the different version
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| 05:45 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: i'm tempted to do a new upload with the translations though. but i'mw aiting on getting ldm sid -> lenny migration
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| 05:45 | ogra_cmpc_: you can actually pull new upstream versions this late in the cycle?
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| 05:46 | sid -> lenny migration is stalled out by the hppa buildd ...
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| 05:46 | <ogra_cmpc_> if i find it necessary and consider it stable
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| 05:46 | i just pinged lamont :)
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| 05:46 | but he might be asleep
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| 05:46 | (colorado)
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| 05:47 | <vagrantc> it's only 4:45am. lamont's an early riser.
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| 05:47 | <ogra_cmpc_> not sure how much influence he has in debian still
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| 05:47 | <vagrantc> well, even a DD with an hppa machine could do a binary-only upload for hppa ...
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| 05:47 | <ogra_cmpc_> but asking wont do harm :)
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| 05:48 | <vagrantc> chances are, ldm will never be used on hppa in anything more than a theoretical sense, no?
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| 05:48 | <ogra_cmpc_> well, he is/was the hppa buildd admin ... he can just put it to the top of the queue
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| 05:49 | yeah, i think hppa clients are pretty rare
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| 05:49 | <vagrantc> definitely makes me reconsider dropping support for most architectures ...
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| 05:49 | <ogra_cmpc_> even though there might be old hppa workstations
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| 05:49 | <muh2000> hmm why is it downloading from ://http.us.debian.org etch/main when --extra-mirror "http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports main" was set?
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| 05:49 | <vagrantc> muh2000: because that's the --extra-mirror
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| 05:49 | <muh2000> ok ^^
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| 05:50 | <vagrantc> muh2000: extra, as in additional.
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| 05:50 | <ogra_cmpc_> it only pulls whats newer from the extra mirror
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| 05:50 | <muh2000> ah ok.
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| 05:50 | <vagrantc> the pkg-ltsp mirror only contains ltsp related stuff
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| 05:50 | <muh2000> is it possible to change the main mirror? us server are a bit slow to elsewhere in the world ^^
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| 05:51 | <vagrantc> muh2000: ltsp-build-client --extra-help
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| 05:51 | <muh2000> ok
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| 05:51 | <vagrantc> muh2000: and you'll see the --mirror option
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| 05:52 | <muh2000> ok
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| 05:52 | * ogra_cmpc_ runs apt-proxy on his test machines and just points --mirror to localhost:9999 usually | |
| 05:52 | <ogra_cmpc_> helps a lot if you rebuild stuff often
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| 05:53 | <muh2000> something i wanted to ask on an already discussed topic but i forgot :/
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| 05:54 | downloaded.
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| 05:55 | and the thin client does not boot the kernel :(
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| 05:55 | loading (kernel/initrd....) ----> Ready. and nothing starts up
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| 05:57 | <vagrantc> muh2000: you remembered to use --arch i386 ?
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| 05:57 | <muh2000> yes
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| 05:57 | that was my cmd: ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --dist etch --extra-mirror "http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports main" --apt-key /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
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| 05:58 | <vagrantc> muh2000: is this the same problem you had before?
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| 05:58 | i.e. why you built a custom kernel?
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| 05:58 | <muh2000> vagrantc: yes
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| 05:58 | (well the custom kernel didnt boot either...)
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| 05:58 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 05:58 | <muh2000> only the kernel without the modules was able to boot.
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| 05:59 | <vagrantc> most strange.
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| 06:00 | wahoo. ldm in basque :)
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| 06:01 | <muh2000> but moving the modules away does not reproduce that behaviour ^^
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| 06:03 | <ogra_cmpc_> muh2000, how about adding SCREEN_07=shell and CONFIGURE_X=False to an lts.conf ?
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| 06:03 | do you get to a shell then ?
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| 06:04 | (since we know alread that amd will hardlock on configuration attempts, trying to boot into X is moot)
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| 06:04 | <vagrantc> well, debian doesn't quiet the default boot
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| 06:05 | so there should be *something* almost immediately
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| 06:05 | <ogra_cmpc_> what frambuffer drivers do you load by default ?
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| 06:05 | <muh2000> ogra_cmpc_: it is not about the shell right now. it is about being able to boot that kernel!
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| 06:05 | <ogra_cmpc_> muh2000, right, but excluding known issues from the list helps
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| 06:06 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: this seems like it's even before getting to the initrd, though...
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| 06:06 | <muh2000> ogra_cmpc_: how can you exclude something that isnt even included yet?
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| 06:06 | <ogra_cmpc_> vagrantc, i know we blacklist a ton of framebuffer stuff by default in ubuntu
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| 06:06 | which debian might be using (most of them break suspend)
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| 06:08 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: but that doesn't even come into play until the initramfs is loaded, does it
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| 06:08 | ?
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| 06:08 | <ogra_cmpc_> its the first thing the initramfs does
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| 06:08 | <Q-FUNK> worst comes, my own LX kerel could be used
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| 06:08 | <ogra_cmpc_> (in ubuntu at least, since we need it for usplash)
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| 06:08 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: yes, and we should see *something* before the initramfs is even loaded, at least on a typical debian ltsp install.
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| 06:09 | <ogra_cmpc_> to me it smells like it loads the framebuffer driver and chokes on that
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| 06:09 | <muh2000> the standard frame buffer or the geode framebuffer?
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| 06:09 | <ogra_cmpc_> no idea what debian uses
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| 06:10 | <Q-FUNK> http://q-funk.iki.fi/debian/pool/l/linux-image-2.6.24/
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| 06:10 | <ogra_cmpc_> i would blacklist them all
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| 06:10 | <muh2000> i think the provided kernels dont even have geode lx on
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| 06:10 | <Q-FUNK> this one has the geode frame buffers built-in
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| 06:10 | <ogra_cmpc_> and go without framebuffer completely
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| 06:11 | i mean, what do you gain apart from the possibility to use a bootsplash
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| 06:11 | * vagrantc wants to set up an LTSP development lab | |
| 06:12 | <muh2000> as long as i can boot a kernel again and hopefully x, i dont care what i shows at boottime
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| 06:13 | so i tried it with loading a config file and STILL it changes the prozessor family to a 64bit thing.
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| 06:13 | <vagrantc> ?!
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| 06:13 | <exodos> muh2000: are you sure you're using correct architecture? ie. what does the `file vmlinuz-version` return?
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| 06:13 | <vagrantc> muh2000: what changes the processor family?
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| 06:13 | <muh2000> make menuconfig -> load config.
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| 06:13 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 06:13 | <muh2000> vagrantc: the make menuconfig
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| 06:14 | <ltsppbot> "ogra" pasted "framebuffer blacklisting on ubuntu" (29 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/493
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| 06:14 | <muh2000> vmlinuz-version: ERROR: cannot open `vmlinuz-version' (No such file or directory)
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| 06:14 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: there any bootprompt options that can mimic that?
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| 06:15 | <ogra_cmpc_> no idea
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| 06:15 | i ususally dont have to touch that
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| 06:15 | <vagrantc> muh2000: file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz
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| 06:15 | <muh2000> exodos: i am chrooted in a different arch. someone said it should be possible to compile a geode kernel under the other arch.
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| 06:15 | <ogra_cmpc_> i can give you various break options for the initramfs :)
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| 06:15 | <vagrantc> i really don't think we're even getting to the initramfs
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| 06:16 | <ogra_cmpc_> well, the usual suspects then
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| 06:16 | <vagrantc> muh2000: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l linux-image-* | egrep ^ii
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| 06:16 | <muh2000> /tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-486: Linux kernel x86 boot executable RO-rootFS, swap_dev 0x1, Normal VGA
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| 06:16 | <ogra_cmpc_> acpi, nolapic etc etc
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| 06:16 | <vagrantc> muh2000: please paste that to pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 06:17 | <muh2000> http://nopaste.org/p/a7ylGq8Gcb
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| 06:17 | <ltsppbot> "muh2000" pasted "dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/494
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| 06:17 | <muh2000> http://pastebot.ltsp.org/494
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| 06:17 | <vagrantc> muh2000: no need to tell us the URL when using pastebot.ltsp.org :)
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| 06:17 | <muh2000> sry i didnt knew that :)
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| 06:18 | <vagrantc> does the geode work with the -486 kernel?
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| 06:18 | <ogra_cmpc_> looks like two metapackages and an actual kernel
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| 06:19 | it should ...
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| 06:19 | <vagrantc> geode proc ?
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| 06:19 | * vagrantc isn't used to all this new technology | |
| 06:19 | <muh2000> vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-486
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| 06:19 | <ogra_cmpc_> i use even -generic (686 compiled) in hardy and apprently geode works there
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| 06:19 | <muh2000> only one kernel installed
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| 06:19 | <exodos> geode is i585 compatible
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| 06:20 | <ogra_cmpc_> but 2.6.18 is indeed quite old ...
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| 06:20 | <vagrantc> muh2000: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install linux-image-686 ; ltsp-update-kernels
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| 06:20 | <ogra_cmpc_> dont you have something newer for etch ?
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| 06:21 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: are you asking a rhetorical question, or do you not know how debian works? :P
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| 06:21 | <muh2000> ogra_cmpc_: i could install the other kernel i made for the system before.
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| 06:21 | <ogra_cmpc_> vagrantc, well, i dont know about what gets backported nowadays :)
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| 06:21 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: ah, ok. there are newer backports, but i haven't actually tried them...
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| 06:21 | <ogra_cmpc_> in my debian times there was always someone backporting a newer kernel
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| 06:22 | <vagrantc> and there's supposedly etch+1/2 with a newer kernel ...
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| 06:22 | <muh2000> the word new does not exist in the debian environment
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| 06:22 | <ogra_cmpc_> (luckily something ubuntu users dont seem to think about)
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| 06:22 | <vagrantc> muh2000: are you trying with the 686 kernel?
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| 06:23 | <muh2000> still downloading
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| 06:23 | mirror is slow
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| 06:23 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 06:23 | <ogra_cmpc_> but 486 should work as well
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| 06:23 | <muh2000> installed
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| 06:23 | <ogra_cmpc_> its rather more compatible than less
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| 06:23 | <laga> ogra_cmpc_: it'd be nice to have a way to disable the init script filtering in ltsp-build-client. maybe for intrepid :)
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| 06:23 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: maybe 686 has some different compile-time options ... it's kind of a shot in the dark.
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| 06:24 | laga: it exists
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| 06:24 | <laga> oh! tell me! :)
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| 06:24 | * vagrantc forgets how exactly... | |
| 06:24 | <ogra_cmpc_> laga, you can just unset the vars that list the initscripts
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| 06:24 | <muh2000> darkness is shooting back :(
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| 06:24 | same issue with 686
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| 06:24 | <laga> ogra_cmpc_: then it'll blacklist everything?
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| 06:24 | let's see
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| 06:24 | <vagrantc> muh2000: failing that, could try a kernel from backports.org ...
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| 06:24 | <ogra_cmpc_> laga, no, then it wont touch anything
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| 06:25 | oh, wait
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| 06:25 | it works the other way round
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| 06:25 | hrm
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| 06:25 | <exodos> muh2000: maybe try etch then
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| 06:25 | <muh2000> exodos: it is etch
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| 06:25 | <exodos> muh2000: hardy i meanty
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| 06:25 | <muh2000> exodos: but can ltsp build client a different distribution ?
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| 06:25 | <laga> ogra_cmpc_: if [ -n "$RC2_WHITELIST" ]; then
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| 06:25 | rc_cleanup 2 $RC2_WHITELIST
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| 06:26 | <ogra_cmpc_> right
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| 06:26 | <vagrantc> laga: RC2_WHITELIST=" "
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| 06:26 | <laga> great.
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| 06:26 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 06:26 | a little uglier than unsetting ...
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| 06:26 | er ...
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| 06:27 | <laga> that'll solve a lot of problems. and make booting slower.
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| 06:27 | yay. :)
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| 06:27 | <ogra_cmpc_> you like slow booting eh ?
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| 06:27 | these media center guys
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| 06:27 | * ogra_cmpc_ shakes head | |
| 06:27 | <laga> ogra_cmpc_: i like working stuff :)
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| 06:27 | <ogra_cmpc_> :)
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| 06:27 | <exodos> muh2000: i belive you will have to install hardy on separate partition
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| 06:27 | <laga> as for slow booting, that's something that can be optimized in hardy.. hopefully once upstart gets used :)
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| 06:28 | <ogra_cmpc_> upstart gets used when hurd releases :P
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| 06:28 | i dont see it happen yet
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| 06:29 | even though with fedora switrching to it there are far more contributors
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| 06:29 | <laga> ogra_cmpc_: it's got that it got written than
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| 06:29 | s/got/good/
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| 06:29 | <muh2000> does backport even have something up to date?
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| 06:29 | or is linux-image-2.6.18-6 the only good thing they have?
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| 06:30 | <ogra_cmpc_> does anything in debian apart from sid have something up to date ?
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| 06:30 | <muh2000> :D
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| 06:30 | <ogra_cmpc_> thats the spirit of debian ... more stable but outdated
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| 06:30 | (and its curse)
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| 06:30 | <vagrantc> muh2000: backports.org has linux-imae-2.6.22-*
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| 06:31 | <muh2000> yeah i know.. but something new than fossilized should be available
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| 06:31 | <laga> OTOH, i still wonder how you can do LTS with only one month between beta and release
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| 06:31 | <muh2000> vagrantc: where? i added backports sources but no 2.6.22
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| 06:31 | <exodos> hmmm, there is no xserver-xorg-video-amd for etch, only for lenny and sid
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| 06:31 | <ogra_cmpc_> laga, in not letting in the weird crap ... only the slightly weird crap
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| 06:31 | <laga> ogra_cmpc_: still scary :)
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| 06:32 | <exodos> was it included in different package or is it just unavaliable?
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| 06:32 | <ogra_cmpc_> unlike in dapper we knew in advance about the LTS and its nature, so there were plans this time
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| 06:32 | <vagrantc> muh2000: deb http://backports.org/debian etch-backports main
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| 06:32 | <muh2000> someone said x was fixed in sid earlier this day ?
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| 06:32 | <ogra_cmpc_> muh2000, the core, i dont know about the dirver
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| 06:33 | <muh2000> hmmmm
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| 06:33 | <ogra_cmpc_> the maintainer was resistant for quite a while to apply the patches at all
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| 06:33 | <muh2000> :(
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| 06:34 | <exodos> muh2000: go for hardy - works for me :)
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| 06:34 | <muh2000> exodos: cannot change the host
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| 06:35 | wow the 2.6.22-4 boots
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| 06:38 | now who was it again that said amd geode vga works under debian etch?
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| 06:39 | <ogra_cmpc_> did someone say that ?
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| 06:39 | <muh2000> yes
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| 06:39 | <ogra_cmpc_> wasnt me :)
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| 06:41 | <muh2000> daduke: said it ^^
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| 06:43 | <ogra_cmpc_> probably with recompiling Q-FUNK's ubuntu packages or so
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| 06:43 | <muh2000> <daduke> Q-FUNK: I'm on etch and use the alix1c.
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| 06:46 | <Q-FUNK> hm?
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| 06:47 | here, I use the above kernel package with lxfb and -amd 2.7.7.7
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| 06:48 | <muh2000> Q-FUNK: sry i only was quoting daduke
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| 06:48 | Q-FUNK: what is amd 2.7.7.7 ? the geode lx driver for X ?
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| 06:48 | <Q-FUNK> yup
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| 06:49 | xserver-xorg-video-amd
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| 06:49 | which will soon be replaced with xserver-xorg-video-geode
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| 06:49 | <ogra_cmpc_> yay
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| 06:49 | <Q-FUNK> ogra_cmpc_: it's released now, btw
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| 06:49 | <muh2000> Q-FUNK: soon as in soon or soon as in debian-soon ?
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| 06:49 | <ogra_cmpc_> finally bryce wont answer me about ati anymore if i ask for amd :)
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| 06:49 | <Q-FUNK> I'll package it tonight, upload to debian and request a sync for hardy. can you support the UVF?
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| 06:50 | <ogra_cmpc_> geode is so much better to distinguish
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| 06:50 | <Q-FUNK> yes indeed and we wanted to change it for a long time
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| 06:50 | it's done now
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| 06:52 | <muh2000> so when will i be able to download that new xserver under debian? tomorrow? (only in the ubuntu or also debian sid? )
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| 06:53 | <Q-FUNK> tomorrow night, probably
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| 06:53 | <Q-FUNK> for now, amd 2.7.7.7 is already there
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| 06:53 | <ogra_cmpc_> Q-FUNK, sure, ping and subscribe me
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| 06:53 | i'll taklto bryce, we had a chat about that during our 6am meeting already today
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| 06:54 | <Q-FUNK> ogra_cmpc_: lovely. thanks!
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| 06:54 | <Q-FUNK> yeah, bryce already knew about it and asked me to keep mpitt and tjaalton in the loop
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| 06:55 | <muh2000> wait, so the new amd-geode-lx-driver is already in debian-sid? but it needs the new xserver-xorg-core to work?
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| 06:55 | <ogra_cmpc_> Q-FUNK, thats perfect, pitti is the guy you need for UVF
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| 06:56 | muh2000, right
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| 06:56 | <muh2000> ok
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| 06:56 | <muh2000> then i guess i have to wait ^^
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| 06:57 | <Q-FUNK> muh2000: on platforms with broken bioses, the X driver fails to run or downright freezes the system
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| 06:57 | http://wiki.x.org/wiki/AMDGeodeDriver#preview
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| 06:57 | <muh2000> Q-FUNK: the geode bios is broken?
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| 07:02 | <Q-FUNK> muh2000: many companies ship their product with a broken bios, unfortunately.
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| 07:02 | also, recent changes in X core exposed some of those bugs
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| 07:03 | <muh2000> Q-FUNK: broken as in not written right?
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| 07:04 | <Q-FUNK> as in coded without fallbacks for misbehaved X implementations
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| 07:04 | <muh2000> ok
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| 07:05 | cat soundfile > /dev/dsp usually play back the file. how do i do that on a client?
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| 07:05 | <ogra_cmpc_> <lamont> I run the debian buildds for hppa. I have the ability to drag something into "next up" status
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| 07:06 | <lamont> but I'm not planning to shuffle any build priorities
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| 07:06 | vagrantc, ^^^^
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| 07:06 | :/
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| 07:06 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: not surprising
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| 07:06 | ogra_cmpc_: h0lger is suggesting that i request the removal of all architectures we basically don't want to support anymore.
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| 07:06 | <ogra_cmpc_> he's just setting up two additional machines to speed up at least
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| 07:07 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: oh, that could make a huge difference
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| 07:07 | <ogra_cmpc_> keep ppc and x86/64 :)
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| 07:07 | and probably arm
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| 07:08 | <vagrantc> i see alpha, amd64, arm*, i386, mips (mipsel), powerpc and sparc as maybe worth keeping.
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| 07:08 | although i'd also consider just amd64, arm, i386 and powerpc
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| 07:08 | * ogra_cmpc_ doresnt really see a need for mips | |
| 07:08 | <vagrantc> er, arm*
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| 07:09 | ogra_cmpc_: well, i went through all the trouble of adding network boot support for mips ... :)
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| 07:09 | <ogra_cmpc_> yeah, that sounds like a useful list
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| 07:10 | <vagrantc> the shortest list i'd probably consider is amd64, arm, armel, i386 and powerpc ... some of the others seem largely academic to keep...
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| 07:11 | and in the process, basically stop getting uploads for hurd-i386, kfreebsd-*, etc. :)
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| 07:11 | <muh2000> pulse audio working with etch?
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| 07:11 | <vagrantc> although i might actually try and get kfreebsd-i386 working, if i'm stupid enough to try.
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| 07:11 | muh2000: mixed results.
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| 07:12 | muh2000: some applications work fine, some don't.
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| 07:12 | muh2000: shouldnt' be any worse than with esd
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| 07:12 | <muh2000> aplay say resource is hoged
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| 07:12 | <vagrantc> and for the most part, it's been better
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| 07:12 | <ogra_cmpc_> vagrantc, doesnt etch have the alsa plugins ?
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| 07:12 | <muh2000> hmm lts.conf must not contain sound settings information?
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| 07:12 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: i've used it with etch backports, and like i said, i get mixed results.
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| 07:13 | <ogra_cmpc_> you should be able to set up pulse/alsa emu with that
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| 07:13 | ah
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| 07:13 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: ltsp backports, not alsa/pulse backports
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| 07:13 | <ogra_cmpc_> well, esd is a pain
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| 07:14 | probably worth to dig up a backport from someone for libasound2-plugins :)
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| 07:14 | <vagrantc> there were some apps that worked with esd but not the alsa+pulse in that setup. since client-side, it supports both, at least you can get that far.
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| 07:14 | <ogra_cmpc_> (but i guess that forces an update of the whole alsa stack as well)
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| 07:14 | vagrantc, do you have the pulse esd compatibility plugin enabled ?
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| 07:15 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: i think so
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| 07:15 | <ogra_cmpc_> oh
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| 07:15 | <muh2000> now i am confused totaly
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| 07:15 | <vagrantc> client-side
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| 07:15 | <ogra_cmpc_> well, that should actually just redirect to pulse which then redirects to alsa
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| 07:15 | <vagrantc> muh2000: basically, there's lots of things, some of which work, and some of which don't. experimenting with it is the only way to tell.
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| 07:16 | <ogra_cmpc_> or using ubuntu :P
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| 07:16 | <muh2000> ok
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| 07:16 | <ogra_cmpc_> where it just works
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| 07:16 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: server-side, or client-side ?
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| 07:16 | <ogra_cmpc_> client side
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| 07:16 | its called in the ltsp-cleint-core initscript iirc
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| 07:16 | <muh2000> before i had the geode computer i used an old computer with ltsp-lenny -> pulse audio worked for most applications that i need.
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| 07:16 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: it definitely runs on the esd port with pulseaudio-esound-compat installed...
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| 07:16 | <ogra_cmpc_> yeah
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| 07:17 | and we still export ESPEAKER in ldm
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| 07:17 | <vagrantc> right
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| 07:17 | <muh2000> what kind of programs do i need on the chroot for sound?
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| 07:17 | <ogra_cmpc_> so it should automatically redirect esd apps to that
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| 07:17 | <vagrantc> muh2000: they're all there.
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| 07:17 | <muh2000> ok
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| 07:17 | <vagrantc> muh2000: if you figure out that you need something more, please file a bug report.
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| 07:17 | <muh2000> vagrantc: do i have to configure stuff in the lts.conf?
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| 07:18 | <vagrantc> muh2000: only if it doesn't detect your sound card.
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| 07:18 | <muh2000> vagrantc: hmmm the module is loaded for the soundcard. but aplay says dev or resource is busy
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| 07:19 | <vagrantc> muh2000: sorry, i can't help any further...
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| 07:19 | i haven't used sound support extensively, just very basic testing.
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| 07:20 | <ogra_cmpc_> for alsa support you need libasound2-plugins on the server and a proper asounrdrc for the user
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| 07:20 | <ogra_cmpc_> (not sure debian uses the xsession script we have in ubuntu to set that up)
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| 07:20 | <vagrantc> muh2000: ah, yes. ... do you have ltsp-server-standalone installed ?
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| 07:21 | <vagrantc> muh2000: oh yes, have you followed the instructions in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README.Debian.sound ?
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| 07:21 | <muh2000> vagrantc: ltsp-build-client but standalone dunno
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| 07:21 | vagrantc: yes on my old ltsp setup i did the asound.conf thing with pulse...
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| 07:22 | <vagrantc> muh2000: ok, well, that explains everything i know on the matter.
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| 07:22 | <muh2000> ok
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| 07:25 | <jammcq> g'morning
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| 08:13 | <daduke> muh2000: sorry, meeting again ;) yep, we use alix1c geode amd under etch.
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| 08:14 | <muh2000> np :)
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| 08:14 | what exactly did you do to make it work?
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| 08:16 | <Q-FUNK> (16:12:14) jcristau: Q-FUNK: xorg-server 2:1.4.1~git20080131-3 (in incoming) should have the patches you wanted
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| 08:16 | so debian is taken care of too, now
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| 08:16 | <daduke> muh2000: basically I just copied said amd_drv.so (which might be a backport, I really don't remember) and have configure-x.sh create an xorg.conf
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| 08:17 | <muh2000> daduke: ok
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| 08:50 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: if i uploaded to experimental, would that still be acceptible?
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| 08:51 | ogra_cmpc: i'm thinking about doing that, to still give ldm in unstable a change to migrate into testing, while still getting the upload out of the way.
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| 08:51 | <ogra_cmpc> vagrantc, well, i would have to repack the tarball anyway
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| 08:51 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: well, i'm thinking acceptible for you to steal.
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| 08:51 | ogra_cmpc: ah, because of the different version?
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| 08:52 | <ogra_cmpc> whats your upstream version in the tarball ?
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| 08:52 | <muh2000> hmmm ltsp build client sid brakes :/
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| 08:52 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: i'm thinking the next one will be 2.0.1
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| 08:52 | <ogra_cmpc> see
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| 08:52 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: and for the debian revision, of course, 2:2.0.1
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| 08:52 | <ogra_cmpc> i have a 5.0.x
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| 08:52 | <vagrantc> i know
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| 08:52 | <muh2000> E: ugly line 1 in sourcelist... /etc/apt/sources.list („URI parse“)
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| 08:52 | <ogra_cmpc> no way without re rolling
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| 08:53 | <Q-FUNK> ok, -geode packages ready on debian mentors
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| 08:53 | awaiting sponsor, then sync to hardy
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| 08:53 | <ogra_cmpc> yay
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| 08:53 | <Q-FUNK> http://mentors.workaround.org/debian/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-geode/xserver-xorg-video-geode_2.8.0-1.dsc
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| 08:53 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: well, you could just accept the epoch :)
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| 08:53 | <ogra_cmpc> vagrantc, four weeks before release ?
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| 08:53 | hmm
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| 08:53 | * Gadi pats Q-FUNK on back and passes him beer | |
| 08:54 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: well, i'm kind of surprised you're even uploading a new tarball on that schedule.
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| 08:54 | <ogra_cmpc> i didnt yet :P
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| 08:54 | <Q-FUNK> oh, ukranian beer! :)
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| 08:54 | cheers! :D
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| 08:54 | <ogra_cmpc> and that would indeed have to be discussed with our RM first
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| 08:55 | i havent looked at the amount of patches i need yet
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| 08:55 | i need to compare but need time for that
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| 08:55 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: have you patched "-ac" ?
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| 08:55 | <ogra_cmpc> nope, which means i have to touch it in any case
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| 08:56 | i also have a themeing bug i still need to solve
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| 09:56 | <muh2000> Q-FUNK: when will xorg-geode available on apt-get?
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| 09:57 | <Q-FUNK> muh2000: it takes a few days to process, as it's a new packages
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| 09:57 | <muh2000> ok
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| 09:58 | <vagrantc> muh2000: you could try and snag it from incoming.debian.org if it is still there
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| 09:58 | oh, wait... new doesn't go there
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| 10:02 | <sutula> vagrantc: I think there's no way someone can grab it from Debian proper before the review is done (because of the copyright concerns)
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| 10:03 | <muh2000> ^^
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| 10:04 | <vagrantc> sutula: right.
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| 10:04 | sutula: hence "new doesn't go there"
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| 10:04 | :)
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| 11:02 | <yopla> hello, as promised i've sent patch in dev list to custumize greeter : a message under the logo and possibilty to hide Halt button.
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| 11:48 | <likuidkewl> Afternoon all, can anyone give any suggestions Thinclients for LTSP5 which will be running on Ubuntu 8.04?
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| 11:50 | <cliebow> well..disklessworksations supports ltsp ..in spades..and we all count on Gadi who is a principal in symbiont..there are others here as well
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| 11:53 | <likuidkewl> Right I knew about Diskless WS as we have 3 boxes from them. I was looking for others that also work well.
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| 11:54 | <cliebow> likuidkewl, all i have here i dumpster-dive for..cant help there myself
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| 11:55 | <likuidkewl> No prolems thanks for the input though
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| 13:40 | * warren tries PXE 1000 for the first time in 2 months... | |
| 13:40 | <warren> it is soooo slow...
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| 13:56 | <warren> Good News: PXE 1000 on Fedora displays native resolution of 1680x1050.
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| 13:56 | Bad News: PXE 1000 on Fedora displays native resolution of 1680x1050.
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| 13:57 | click anything takes 2-3 seconds to respond
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| 13:57 | <Q-FUNK> hehehe
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| 13:59 | <johnny> lol
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| 13:59 | hey warren
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| 13:59 | <warren> The PXE 1000 is a fine machine, just not to do X.
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| 14:00 | <johnny> my ltsp-build-client plugins dir is almost as small as yours now
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| 14:00 | i should have something worthy to commit soon
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| 14:05 | <warren> I take that back
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| 14:06 | the PXE 1000 would be a fine machine to display to a high resolution LCD picture frame
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| 14:06 | if you don't mind 15-30 seconds to draw a single picture
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| 14:08 | <johnny> what are the specs?
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| 14:11 | <warren> johnny, 200MHz 128MB RAM SiS video
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| 14:11 | johnny, except this 200MHz is cripplingly slow
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| 14:12 | maybe feels like 486 MHz
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| 14:12 | <johnny> sounds like it
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| 14:12 | <warren> 33MHz
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| 14:12 | <johnny> bad drivers?
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| 14:12 | <warren> I've used Pentium MMX 133MHz faster than this
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| 14:12 | johnny, no, it was never designed to do any desktop tasks
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| 14:12 | <jammcq> and yet it's quite fast on LTSP-4.2.
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| 14:12 | <warren> johnny, headless embedded controller
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| 14:13 | <warren> jammcq, perhaps at a substantially lesser resolution and bitdepth if you don't have ANYTHING animated on the screen?
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| 14:13 | <jammcq> 1280x1024 is quite reasonable as a desktop with that computer
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| 14:13 | 16-bit depth
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| 14:14 | <warren> why is it crawling even at 800x600 16bit here?
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| 14:14 | <jammcq> no clue, but the same thing happens under Ubuntu too
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| 14:14 | and how could i possibly have "Substantially lesser" than 800x600 ?
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| 14:14 | <warren> Unless there's something about ancient versions of X used by LTSP 4.2
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| 14:14 | <jammcq> lean and mean.... that's the secret
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| 14:15 | <warren> uh.
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| 14:15 | <warren> under the hood it isn't doing anything different
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| 14:15 | <jammcq> yeah, I know
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| 14:15 | <warren> although do you mean I shouldn't be using GNOME?
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| 14:15 | <jammcq> no, it's not gnome
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| 14:15 | cuz that's what I run
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| 14:16 | <warren> I can see how this is a fine and DURABLE machine for single tasks optimized for it
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| 14:16 | but modern LTSP ...
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| 14:17 | <warren> oh I know... I'll try bootchart on it.
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| 14:17 | should be interesting
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| 14:18 | jammcq, is your LTSP 4.2 using sis native or vesa video?
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| 14:19 | <jammcq> it was using sis
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| 14:19 | i don't have that setup anymore
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| 14:19 | <warren> oh
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| 14:19 | <jammcq> well, i'm pretty sure it was
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| 15:02 | <grAv|ty> ehlo ltsp
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| 15:04 | <warren> interesting... cdpinger only crashes on my VIA based thin clients
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| 15:04 | everything else is fine
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| 15:30 | <ogra_cmpc> warren, c or python version ?
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| 15:33 | * ogra_cmpc reads backlog of the day .... | |
| 15:33 | <warren> ogra_cmpc, latest from *-trunk
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| 15:33 | segfault
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| 15:34 | no time to look at this now
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| 15:34 | <warren> I have to reinstall my laptop
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| 15:39 | <ogra_cmpc> warren, my e1000 is my router ... 10 bucks for a USB->ethernet adapter and a 512M cf card :) awesome firewall
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| 15:39 | and even that install takes 2min to boot from the local cf card
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| 15:40 | oh, why do you need to reinstall ?
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| 15:40 | <warren> ogra_cmpc, partially just to test the installer
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| 15:40 | <ogra_cmpc> ah
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| 15:41 | i have a spare hartition for such games
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| 15:41 | *partition
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| 15:41 | <gcleric> howdy, i've got a bit of a noob quesiton. is there a way to make the ltsp client image read only?
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| 15:42 | <ogra_cmpc> it is read only by default
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| 15:42 | <warren> ogra_cmpc, well, i'm also converting my laptop to have encrypted swap, encrypted root and encrypted home
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| 15:42 | <ogra_cmpc> ah
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| 15:42 | <gcleric> hmmm.... really? I'm able to create directories and files and they are still in my profile after reboot.
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| 15:43 | <ogra_cmpc> you mean the desktop session ?
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| 15:43 | <gcleric> yes
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| 15:43 | <ogra_cmpc> thats not the ltsp image :)
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| 15:44 | <gcleric> it's there server huh!
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| 15:44 | <ogra_cmpc> right
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| 15:44 | <gcleric> thanks!
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| 16:35 | <dberkholz> the guy who maintains our kernel/initramfs-building app has said he's open to the idea of porting it to initramfs-tools
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| 17:46 | <georgy_28> hello I have Ubuntu 8.04 + ltsp 5 up and running. Now I try to install TCM, but not luck. Any hint ?
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| 22:11 | <DavoDinkum> Does LTSP utilise the thin clients as a server farm?
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| 22:28 | <johnny> no
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| 22:28 | everything runs off the server
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| 22:28 | at least by default
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| 22:29 | <DavoDinkum> hmm
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| 22:30 | Do you think it's a good idea?
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| 22:30 | I'm just throwing ideas around.
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