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Channel log from 21 October 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:35 | <gnunux> hi
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| 02:37 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 02:38 | <elias_a> alkisg: καλημÎρα
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| 02:39 | <alkisg> Hyvää huomenta :)
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| 02:40 | <elias_a> alkisg: We are getting used to this, aren't we? :)
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| 02:40 | <alkisg> I almost knew how to spell it in Finnish :D
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| 02:41 | <elias_a> I still have to spy on the Greek alphabet as I do not use it in writing usually...
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| 02:58 | <asmok> I have this testing environment: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSP-Cluster_NAT
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| 02:58 | i try pmatulis remote-app.sh script
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| 03:00 | problem seems to be that root-server and application-server are not the same? i got this:
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| 03:06 | <asmok> ltsp000@ltsp-appserv01:~$ remote-app.sh remote-app.sh: komentoa ei löydy (sorry for finnish - not finding)
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| 03:07 | but it is in chroot:
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| 03:08 | <asmok> root@ltsp201:~# remote-app.sh cp: Puuttuva kohdetiedosto-operandi ”/root/tmp” jälkeen basename: operandi puuttuu xprop: unable to open display ''
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| 03:08 | so i think without ltsp-cluster setup it should work?
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| 03:10 | <elias_a> asmok: Hi!
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| 03:10 | <asmok> hi
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| 03:11 | i know everyone sleeping, i think i come back later at night
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| 03:11 | <elias_a> asmok: Is the command also in path?
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| 03:11 | asmok: alkisg and other people of the old continent are awake :)
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| 03:12 | <asmok> firefox? i does not matter because application server is very different than ltsp server/chroot server server?
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| 03:12 | and then i got this NAT also ;-)
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| 03:13 | <asmok> i do not have very simple ltsp server in hands right now - one server with everything
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| 03:13 | <elias_a> asmok: remote-app.sh remote-app.sh: komentoa ei löydy
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| 03:13 | <elias_a> This hints that the command really is not in the path.
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| 03:14 | <asmok> yes - ltsp000 user is in application server, not in chroot server?
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| 03:14 | this ltsp-cluster, not ordinary ltsp server?
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| 03:16 | i can run firefox as a ltsp-localapps with no problem in this ltsp-cluster NAT setup - it of course not find evince because i have not installed evince in chroot, just firefox
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| 03:17 | <alkisg> !localxterm
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| 03:17 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 03:17 | <alkisg> asmok: on a localxterm, try manually invoking ltsp-remoteapps
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| 03:17 | If that doesn't work, don't bother with adding new scripts...
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| 03:19 | <asmok> xterm - ltsp000@ltsp201: remote-app.sh firefox > cp: cannot sts 'firefox': no such file or directory
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| 03:20 | <alkisg> No, not remote-app.sh. Forget about that
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| 03:20 | <asmok> remote-app.sh is inside xterm
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| 03:20 | <alkisg> Try plain ltsp-remoteapps
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| 03:21 | ltsp-remoteapps evince
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| 03:21 | Does that open evince?
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| 03:21 | <asmok> yes, that works
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| 03:21 | <alkisg> OK, next step: ltsp-remoteapps evince file.pdf
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| 03:22 | Does that open the document?
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| 03:23 | <asmok> i have not downloaded anything - so there is correct error message
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| 03:23 | <alkisg> ltsp-remoteapps gedit /etc/resolv.conf
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| 03:23 | Does that open resolv.conf on the server?
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| 03:24 | (...while still inside the thin client session, of course)
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| 03:24 | <asmok> xterm: yes, that works, too
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| 03:25 | <alkisg> OK, then everything in your setup is OK and everything else is a problem with pmatulis's script and maybe of the file location too
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| 03:25 | I'd work on telling localapps firefox to use a tmp directory inside the /home/username instead of /tmp
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| 03:26 | <asmok> my testing setup is very difficult one i think: ltsp-cluster + NAT?
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| 03:26 | <alkisg> Well, it works though :)
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| 03:26 | So you don't need to worry about your setup if remoteapps work
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| 03:26 | <asmok> yes, i use it right now ;-)
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| 03:28 | <asmok> but i really do not know how to debug - is there any log files or something for pmatulis script - it is that script only?
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| 03:29 | <alkisg> I think for troubleshooting pmatulis script, you'd need to wait for him or mail the mailing list... I wouldn't follow his approach of copying files though.
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| 03:29 | There's no point in localapps writing to /tmp/ and moving things around, they'll just exhaust the available RAM.
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| 03:30 | <asmok> i come back later and also put message in mailing list, thanks alkis
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| 04:02 | <Hyperbyte> When running LTSP on a dual-screen thin client, the login prompt get placed in the middle, so it spawns over two screens
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| 04:02 | Is there anyway to change this?
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| 07:46 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 07:46 | <pmatulis> mgariepy: morning
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| 07:48 | <Appiah> Hyperbyte: change the config
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| 07:49 | or do you still want windows to be able to span across both screens?
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| 07:58 | <Hyperbyte> Hrm, not necessarily. We use both screens, but we don't need windows to span across them.
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| 08:00 | What should I change in the config? :)
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| 08:17 | <Appiah> turn off the feature of spanning :)
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| 08:17 | dont remeber what it's called when you have spanning screens and seperate screens
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| 08:18 | nvidia settings has "Twinview" "<something>" but im sure there is a more general aproach
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| 08:18 | <Hyperbyte> Have to do this in the Xorg conf?
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| 08:19 | <Appiah> well you can put it in the lts.conf for the specific client(s) who got dual screen
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| 08:19 | <Appiah> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174
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| 08:20 | <robehend1> Hey all. I'm getting some oddly slow logins with my LTSP box. Sometimes takes up to 30 seconds for gnome to fully initialize. Any ideas where I could look to see whats goin on?
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| 08:20 | <Appiah> check the logs
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| 08:21 | <robehend1> Will do. On that matter, is gnome still a good choice for a Ubuntu LTSP setup, or is something like LXDE a better fit
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| 08:24 | <Appiah> Seen it been discussed before but I have yet to find some real answers there
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| 08:24 | <ltsplogbot> I don't know who it is.
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| 08:24 | <Appiah> ltsplogbot: haha
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| 08:24 | <robehend1> Same. I'd jump for LXDE, just for the quickness of it, if it had some kind of Gconf like lockdown system
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| 08:25 | Else I get students, who may not have Sudo privledges, but can still delete their panels and such..oh gosh, the "where'd my internets button go" requests..
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| 08:30 | Appiah: Say, what log should I be digging into for login issues like that?
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| 08:30 | <Appiah> /var/log/messages and /var/log/auth
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| 08:30 | thats where i'd start
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| 08:30 | is it local or ldap?
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| 08:30 | <robehend1> Appiah: Likewise-open
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| 08:31 | <Appiah> oh :D
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| 08:31 | have fun debugging!
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| 08:31 | <Ghidorah> Good morning everyone.
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| 08:31 | <robehend1> Appiah: Ha, I figured that'd be the answer, since their newest version. Whatever possesed them to create a registry..
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| 08:31 | <Appiah> dunno what likewise uses to log
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| 08:31 | but messages catches most
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| 08:32 | <Ghidorah> Appiah; Are you attempting to use Likewise-Open6?
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| 08:32 | <Appiah> me? no
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| 08:32 | robehend1 is using likewise
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| 08:32 | <Ghidorah> Oh, sorry.
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| 08:32 | <robehend1> Ghidorah: Their up to 6 now?
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| 08:32 | <Ghidorah> Yeah
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| 08:33 | It is included in Ubuntu 10.10 althought the pacakge in the repos seems to be buggy.
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| 08:33 | I had to get the debs direct from their website.
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| 08:33 | <robehend1> Ghidorah: Ah, that explains it. I'm still on 10.04, as I stick with LTS distros on my student boxes
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| 08:34 | Ghidorah: You wouldn't happen to have any ideas what could be causing a long login delay with likewise, would you? LDM comes up fine, it takes user/pass fine, but when loading gnome, can take forever.
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| 08:35 | <Ghidorah> Are you mounting anything?
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| 08:35 | <Ghidorah> Do any accounts login quickly?
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| 08:35 | <robehend1> Ghidorah: Trying to use pam_mount to grab a windows share, but it seems extremely hit or miss
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| 08:35 | Ghidorah: Local accounts seem snappy
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| 08:35 | <Ghidorah> but all domain accounts are slow?
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| 08:36 | <robehend1> Ghidorah: Not always, which is the weird part. Sometimes, they come in quick, other times, horribly slow. doesnt seem to matter what LAN segment or anything either.
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| 08:37 | <Ghidorah> ah
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| 08:37 | how many DC's do you have?
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| 08:37 | <robehend1> 3
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| 08:37 | <Ghidorah> 2k, 2k3, 2k8?
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| 08:37 | <robehend1> 2k3
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| 08:38 | The windows machines that are using the same DC's go in fine
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| 08:38 | <Ghidorah> Well here is my thinking
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| 08:38 | <Appiah> I think I heard of this problem but that it can occur with ldap too
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| 08:38 | <Ghidorah> It does a round robin on the DCs
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| 08:38 | <robehend1> wouldn't it hop to the global catalog one first?
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| 08:39 | <Ghidorah> Do you only have 1 GC?
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| 08:39 | <robehend1> yep
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| 08:40 | <Ghidorah> Perhaps check the eventlogs on the DCs
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| 08:40 | <robehend1> I've pulled those up, seems normal there. No auth errors or anything
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| 08:41 | I did just pull up the /var/log/auth, and saw some pam_mount issues, so I'm seeing if i can rejigger that abit
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| 08:41 | <Ghidorah> What issues are you having with PAM_Mount?
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| 08:42 | I dumped likewise in 10.04 because I couldn't get pam_mount to work correctly
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| 08:42 | <robehend1> said there was a formatting issue with pam_mount.conf.xml, so I'm thinking a volume defination isnt working right
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| 08:42 | Well, I need to keep likewise for the AD auth. I've had horrible luck with Samba/Winbind
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| 08:42 | <Ghidorah> yeah winbind took awhile to get working nicely on 10.04 for me
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| 08:43 | but now it is working nicely on 3x LTSP servers
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| 08:43 | <robehend1> Does it seem more reliable than Likewise? I'm not tied to likewise by any means, if Winbind can replace it for me
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| 08:44 | I just want, at the end of the day, for my users to login with their AD credentials, and have a folder automount for them based on their login name
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| 08:45 | <Ghidorah> I haven't had a single authentication issue with winbind
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| 08:45 | <robehend1> Hmm
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| 08:45 | <Ghidorah> I have users getting 2/3 shares mounted
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| 08:45 | <robehend1> using pam_mount?
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| 08:45 | <Ghidorah> yep
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| 08:45 | using ad group membership
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| 08:45 | and their username
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| 08:45 | <robehend1> Hmm. Any links to some documentation for the windbind implentation?
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| 08:45 | I think it's worth setting up on my test unit to see if I can get it goin.
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| 08:46 | I've got 4 days until my students get back, so plenty of time to give it a shot
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| 08:46 | <Ghidorah> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto
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| 08:46 | also
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| 08:46 | you can try the new likewise
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| 08:46 | <robehend1> any glaring inconsistancies with the documentation and the real world implentation?
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| 08:46 | did they add features, or just tweak their registry so I have to relearn it all again
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| 08:47 | <Ghidorah> It is the same registry shift
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| 08:47 | they added more features that you can modify
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| 08:47 | it is pretty easy and their documentation is nice
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| 08:47 | <robehend1> Hmm. I may have to take a look at it
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| 08:47 | <Ghidorah> Do you use sabayon?
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| 08:47 | <robehend1> yes
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| 08:47 | It's the only reason I havent jumped from Gnome to LXDE, in fact
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| 08:47 | <Ghidorah> nm on likewise-open6 then if you use ad group membership
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| 08:48 | LXDE?
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| 08:48 | <robehend1> Really lightweight window manager
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| 08:48 | <Ghidorah> likewise-open6 has a bug that they're working on right now that impacts sabayon
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| 08:48 | <robehend1> ah, not applying to all users, I assume?
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| 08:48 | <Ghidorah> I was told by likewise support peeps that it would be fixed soon.
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| 08:48 | nah, it doesn't see the ad groups
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| 08:49 | for some reason likewise doesn't hand off the ad groups to other programs
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| 08:49 | <robehend1> well, I'll keep an eye on it then, and try it when it's resolved. that'd be a deal breaker, sadly
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| 08:49 | <Ghidorah> yeah it is for me too right now
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| 08:49 | but I was told they expect a fix soon.
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| 08:49 | <robehend1> I've had good luck with likewise, so far.
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| 08:49 | <Ghidorah> yeah it is pretty nice
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| 08:50 | did you get the assume-default-domain to work in the 10.04 depo?
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| 08:50 | <robehend1> yes
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| 08:50 | <Ghidorah> which version are you using?
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| 08:50 | <robehend1> had to change the reg key to 000000001 i think, and then re-import into lsass.reg or something like that
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| 08:50 | 5.4, I believe.
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| 08:51 | <Ghidorah> when I was first trying out 5.4 they had the default-domain thing all jacked up
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| 08:51 | changing the reg had no effect for me
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| 08:51 | <robehend1> I had that issue at first, as well. I had to import it into the registry, and then reboot before trying any other actions
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| 08:51 | but they put out an update that fix'd it, if I'm not mistaken. has worked fine since
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| 08:56 | Ghidorah: Mind looking at a Pam_mount volume defination, see if I screwed it up again?
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| 08:56 | <Ghidorah> Sure
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| 08:56 | <robehend1> <volume sgrp="RAGNAROK\Students" options="username=%(USER),user=*,domain=RAGNAROK" fstype="cifs" server="192.168.1.249" path="Students/%(DOMAIN_USER)" moun$
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| 08:56 | ack, didnt copy the whole thing
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| 08:57 | it ends mountpoint="/home/user/likewise-open/RAGNAROK/%(DOMAIN_USER)/Documents" />
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| 08:58 | <Ghidorah> Well I would suggest using ~ instead of the absolute home path
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| 08:58 | <Ghidorah> I'll pastebin a copy of owhat I use
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| 08:59 | <robehend1> Ah, thanks.
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| 08:59 | <Ghidorah> there is a paste bin in this room right?
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| 08:59 | <robehend1> no clue
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| 09:00 | drop it in a pm to me?
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| 09:02 | <Ghidorah> k
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| 09:43 | <muppis> Funny.. I was upgrading Karmic to Lucid. Normally in Karmic's /etc/update-manager/release-upgrade -file is Prompt=normal. I though that would cause upgrading to Maverick, so I changed to lts. But do-release-upgrade reported no upgrades available. Switched back to normal and then founded Lucid.
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| 09:44 | <robehend1> weird.
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| 09:44 | Mine's been yelling at me about Maverick for days now.
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| 09:46 | <muppis> Mine's not. Upgraded 6 days before release. Only upgraded server is my home one due bugfixes in dvb -modules.
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| 09:47 | <robehend1> I've got 10.10 on my laptop, but I'm not ready to drop it on servers yet
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| 09:48 | <muppis> Almost my homies are all in 10.10 now, only ltsp-client is still 10.04
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| 09:49 | <robehend1> I usually give releases a month to catch up
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| 09:50 | <muppis> Wise, gives time to settle down.
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| 09:51 | <robehend1> At least it's not like Windows. I give service packs 3 months
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| 11:05 | <muppis> I just don't understand. Upgraded kvm -host and now I can't get tcp connection to libvirtd and some virtuals doesn't start.
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| 11:34 | <robehend1> so, does anyone use a different window manager than Gnome? If so, which ones?
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| 12:53 | <mgariepy> wow after almost 10 years, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83305
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| 12:58 | <alkisg> mgariepy: but you can still patch ltsp-remoteapps so that if it receives a file parameter, instead of a program, it then invokes the appropriate program...
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| 12:58 | <alkisg> This way firefox would work properly with all respective mimecap entries set to "ltsp-remoteapps"
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| 12:58 | <mgariepy> alkisg, ltsp-remoteapps xdg-open $file
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| 12:59 | <alkisg> That won't work as the bug says...
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| 12:59 | but ltsp-remoteapps $file will
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| 12:59 | <mgariepy> yeah it's just kinda frustrating :)
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| 12:59 | <alkisg> Sure :)
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| 13:01 | 10 years... chrome fixed it in the first year :)
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| 13:01 | <mgariepy> lol yeah
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| 13:01 | chrome juste code it right the first time i guess
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| 13:02 | alkisg, what do you think about : LTSP_REMOTEAPPS_LIST='openoffice.org-calc,someotherapps'
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| 13:02 | then i parse those desktop file
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| 13:03 | get supported mimetype,
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| 13:03 | get the mailcap entry
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| 13:03 | and update it in the thin client
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| 13:04 | <alkisg> Something like that, sure, but I wonder if the parameter list is best described with desktop file names...
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| 13:05 | <mgariepy> that's the same as localapps to get the desktop files
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| 13:05 | <alkisg> E.g. the user won't have evince on the chroot if he wants to open pdf files on the server
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| 13:05 | So you can't parse its desktop file locally
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| 13:05 | (from an initscript that modifies /etc/mailcap)
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| 13:05 | <mgariepy> yeah but i will parse the server one :)
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| 13:06 | <alkisg> You don't need to. xdg-open is enough
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| 13:06 | The only benefit from parsing desktop files on the server would be to provide nice descriptions on the "open with" firefox dialog
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| 13:07 | Otherwise no communication with the server is needed
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| 13:07 | <mgariepy> yeah but if the filetype isn't supported by the server, xdg-open will fail silently
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> Maybe you can wrap that with a || zenity --error dialog
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| 13:08 | <mgariepy> and having list of apps that i want to use remotely, this way the same code can be used for fat client
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| 13:09 | eg: i want to run openoffice on the server instead of the client.
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> Another example: the client boots, /etc/mailcap is written, and THEN the admin installs an app. "Blind" xdg-open will succeed, /etc/mailcap will fail.
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| 13:10 | xdg-open can also be used for fat clients, no difference there..
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| 13:10 | <mgariepy> on fat client you will want some files to be open remotly,
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> Right, so e.g. LTSP_REMOTEAPPS_MIMETYPES="xxxx" can set the appropriate entries in /etc/mailcap, and then ltsp-remoteapps can blindly call xdg-open...
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| 13:12 | <Ghidorah> Hello everyone, Does anyone know how to get the LTSP clients to secure DNS updates with a MS DNS server?
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> mgariepy: On the other hand, specifying all the mimetypes that swriter can handle can be a big pain :D
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| 13:14 | <mgariepy> yeah
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| 13:14 | that what i was about to say
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| 13:15 | <alkisg> That's why I was wondering, if there's a client-side way that doesn't involve specifying all the mimetypes...
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| 13:15 | How are you planning to get the desktop list from the server? With the ssh channel?
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| 13:16 | <mgariepy> specefying desktop files the i grep MimeType from them
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| 13:16 | yeah with the ssh connexion
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| 13:17 | <alkisg> vagrantc: btw, that's another reason why I think handling lts.conf on the server is better ^^^ With wget, we could just run a script that collects the .desktop files and returns the output to the client as part of lts.conf...
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| 13:17 | <mgariepy> or would be nice to have like "server attributes"
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| 13:18 | and cache some stuff directly, then do a scp for a small file
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| 13:19 | ok i guess i'll code an alpha version of this, and see how it goes.
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> Right. All this would be much simpler if getltscfg was replaced with a wget from a python SimpleHttpServer, and maybe even ltsp-cluster could use that then so that there's no code duplication...
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| 13:20 | <mgariepy> we use a wget with ltsp-cluster ;)
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> OK ok I already said I'll try that in 2 years :)
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| 13:20 | Yes, but you also have an apache running, right?
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| 13:21 | That's too heavy for a simple ltsp setup, so a python server would be simpler afaik
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| 13:21 | <mgariepy> yeah anyway, i have more then 10 year to solve this feature request
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> :D
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| 13:21 | <mgariepy> lighthttpd if you want :P
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> And php etc, too heavy...
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| 13:22 | <mgariepy> are you running on a i386 ?
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| 13:22 | can't you spare like 50M of ram and some cputime ?
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| 13:22 | haha
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| 13:23 | <alkisg> OK sure, but would the other people accept having ltsp depend on apache, php etc?
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| 13:23 | * alkisg doesn't have a problem with that... | |
| 13:25 | <mgariepy> alkisg, would be nice to see you at BTS
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| 13:25 | <alkisg> :( :( :( :(
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| 13:25 | <mgariepy> perhaps 2011
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| 13:25 | <alkisg> I hope so
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| 13:41 | <mgariepy> alkisg, yeah got an answer from Boris on mozilla bug tracker hehe :)
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| 13:43 | <alkisg> Remind him about comment #4: "Since it seems I'm the only one who's interested in actually working on it rather than whining about it, it won't happen till I have time, which will not happen till I finish my thesis and graduate. " :)
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| 13:43 | <alkisg> ....unless he didn't finish them yet, 8 years later :D
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| 13:43 | <mgariepy> haha no i think i'll stop there before we hate each other too much :)
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| 13:44 | i might want to post : fixed in chrome tho.
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| 13:44 | <alkisg> That's why companies are valuable for FLOSS... they get the "dirty" work done that no developer wants to do
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| 13:45 | <Kyle__> Everyone wants to do the cool parts, no one wants to do the booring work, like fiddliy optimizations or debugging edge cases, or *gasp* documentation.
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| 13:45 | <mgariepy> does epiphany have the same issue ?
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| 13:46 | i can understand the documentation part :)
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| 13:51 | <alkisg> `screen` is sooooo cool... I just implemented an "open an xterm on the teacher PC that contains a terminal which runs on the student client, either root or within the client session" command in a couple of lines! No need for SCREEN_02=shell anymore! :)
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| 13:52 | <Kyle__> alkisg: Screen is one of the things that makes a sysadmin's life so much easier.
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| 13:53 | I use it incessently.
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> I've asked in the past in #screen if one can share a screen over the network without ssh, but noone had an answer
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| 13:55 | Fortunately I found a wiki page on the internet where someone had found a solution with socat
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| 14:40 | * Kyle__ grumbles. Stupid OSX. | |
| 14:41 | <Kyle__> What type of installer doesn't erase the previous settings?
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| 14:41 | <muppis> Most of them.
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| 14:44 | <Kyle__> muppis: Generally installers erase previous OS settings (in my experience), but not always data or programs.
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| 14:44 | * Kyle__ is sitting through this OSX install for a second time, so he's not likely to be happy with apple today. | |
| 14:45 | <robehend1> Anyone know of a way to make it so Sabayon doesn't randomly crash on 10.04?
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| 14:45 | <muppis> As I can remember, Windows installer also does lazy job on erasing previous settings.
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| 14:46 | <robehend1> windows installer does a horrible job
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| 14:46 | <Kyle__> robehend1: that's part of gnome right? Remind me which part, I'll pull it on on this client (10.04).
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| 14:46 | * Kyle__ nods. | |
| 14:46 | <robehend1> Kyle__: It's the user profile editor, that allows you to set mandatory settings beyond Gconf
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| 14:46 | <Kyle__> It does a wretched job, and doesn't even give you the option of not destroying your bootloader.
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| 14:47 | robehend1: Err, is it part of the standard install in 'buntu 10.04?
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| 14:47 | <robehend1> Kyle__: Nope, have to install Sabayon
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| 14:48 | Kyle__: Used to be called Pessellus I think
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| 14:48 | <muppis> robehend1, yes, Windows installer does horrible job. It installs Windows.. ;)
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| 14:48 | * Kyle__ grabbing it now | |
| 14:48 | <robehend1> muppis: Indeed ;)
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| 14:48 | Kyle__: It will let you go in and make a profile the first time, but if you ever try to edit said profile, it's extremely hit or miss
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| 14:49 | <Kyle__> I tend to only install windows using VBox.... hell it's more stable than running it streight on the hardware, and it cleans up so much easier.
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| 14:49 | robehend1: K. Lets see.
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| 14:52 | robehend1: Well, I ran it as root, made a profile, edited it, saved it, then opened it... seems fine, but there are a _ton_ of status/error/warning messages in the console from it.
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| 14:53 | <robehend1> Kyle__: Ya, same here. I'll keep fighting with it. It's a heck of alot easier than setting up /etc/skel
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| 14:53 | <Kyle__> Oh, but I love /etc/skel.
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| 14:53 | <robehend1> Kyle__: Can i set default panels and everything in /etc/skel?
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| 14:54 | <Kyle__> robehend1: No. Or at least not easily. But I think you _should_ be able to. That's an argument I need to have with the gnome-designers though ;)
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| 14:54 | <robehend1> see, sabayon lets you do that, when it works..
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> gconf defaults can also be used to set default panel values
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| 14:55 | <robehend1> alkisg: Sabayon's basically an interactive gui front end to Gconf
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| 14:55 | <Kyle__> robehend1: OK, I see what your saying. Second time I opened it, all changes were lost.
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> Yes, when it works
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| 14:55 | <robehend1> alkisg: exactly ;)
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> So what I'm saying is that if you don't need per-group defaults, you could just use /usr/share/gconf/defaults or /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults
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| 14:56 | <robehend1> alkisg: I would, if knew how to configure those correctly.
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| 14:58 | <mgariepy> robehend1, maybw you can just create a user, login, change the panel settings, then logout, with your admin account, go in /home/$USER/.gconf/apps/panel/
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| 14:58 | <robehend1> would that work?
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| 14:59 | <mgariepy> and see what changed
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| 14:59 | yes it can work.
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| 14:59 | <robehend1> hmm, cant be worse than now, since when sabayon crashed it borked my whole profile
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| 15:01 | <mgariepy> you need to modify everybodys profiles or just yours ?
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| 15:01 | <robehend1> everyones
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| 15:01 | I need to make it so my students have a set interface they will be comfortable with.
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| 15:01 | plus take places and such off the bar, so its out of sight, out of mind.
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> Maybe try some other flavor like mint or something?
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| 15:03 | <mgariepy> ok, maybe you can drop the panel with gconf-tool-2 and load it in /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/
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| 15:04 | <robehend1> alkisg: It's gnome either way, so it would be the same configs
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| 15:04 | mgariepy: will try that
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> robehend1: they'd be pre-made for you by the distro though
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| 15:04 | <robehend1> alkisg: Agreed but I need to customize it for my enviroment. Take away things, add desktop icons, etc
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> Panels can be a little painful, too many gconf keys involved. Desktop icons etc are much easier.
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| 15:05 | <robehend1> alkisg: I have to remove the ubuntu gnome menu, though, then put up a custom one I make in alacarte
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> Menus are much easier than panels
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> Before gnome put a keyboard layout applet by default, I had to put it manually for my users. I ended up writing a script for it, plain gconf settings weren't good enough.
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| 15:08 | <robehend1> alkisg: thats what I'm finding. gconf is powerful, but just not what i need
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> The rest of the stuff is quite easy to handle with gconf, except for panels... I think they need a redesigning (the related keys).
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| 15:10 | <robehend1> i think gconf is due to be updated with gnome 3.0, if i'm not mistaken
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> alkisg: networked screen?
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yup, and it optionally works with openssl too
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| 15:24 | http://www.torriefamily.org/~torriem/wiki/computer_stuff:shareterm
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| 15:25 | If you remove the openssl stuff, it's just 1 command for the first side, and 2 for the other...
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> alkisg: gah. what was that gnome-screensaver one that prevented people from locking the screensaver at all?
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| 15:55 | the gconf key
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| 15:55 | <alkisg> Hmmm sorry?
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> there's /apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_enabled FALSE
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| 15:55 | but isn't there also something that prevents them from manually locking it?
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| 15:56 | <alkisg> Ah, the other one, I wrote it yesterday but I don't have it handy, the quickest way would be to look at the logs...
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| 15:56 | <vagrantc> i've been experiencing crashes, so i don't have as much backscroll as i usually do :(
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| 15:56 | ah, yes, the logs...
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| 15:56 | <alkisg> moment...
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> /desktop/gnome/lockdown/disable_lock_screen
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| 15:57 | vagrantc: ^^
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> alkisg: thanks again.
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| 16:00 | alkisg: i'll commit it to revision control this time. :)
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> :D
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