IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 10 February 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:06 | <ageis> mine
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| 06:11 | <vagrantc> work_alkisg: i've half though of uploading ltsp to just fix the symlink stuff
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| 06:12 | work_alkisg: with the patches in my packaging branch ... ugly though they may be
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| 08:46 | <gdi2k__> alkisg, I already have that, but I want to give the user a choice about which server to boot to during the boot process, giving us a degree of redundancy. Everyone running off a single server is giving me sleepless nights. With iPXE I could automatically fail over to the second server if the first fails, plus a lot of other nice things (like send client to lowest loaded server).
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| 08:48 | <alkisg> gdi2k__: yeah dhcp does that too
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| 08:48 | No need for ipxe
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| 08:48 | <gdi2k__> that would be ideal
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| 08:49 | <alkisg> There's even dhcp failover if needed, but since it's just 1 command away, I don't bother with it
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| 08:49 | <gdi2k__> any docs for that? I can't see how it would be done with dhcp
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| 08:49 | <alkisg> pxe menus are really easy to set up
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| 08:49 | How do you currently decide the server with the lower load?
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| 08:50 | <gdi2k__> I don't yet
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| 08:50 | my set up is like this:
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| 08:50 | <alkisg> Anyways, there are several ways to do it, either with dnsmasq dhcp scripts or with pxelinux scripting
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| 08:50 | <gdi2k__> I have two firewalls (failover with CARP) which runs DHCP - it sends the clients to the LTSP server to boot. What I would like is for it to send to two LTSP servers, unless one is down
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| 08:51 | in a round robin or similar fashion
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| 08:51 | static allocation by MAC would be fine too
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| 08:52 | <alkisg> That's very easy, you just put that in your dhcp configuration
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| 08:52 | Specify tftp server (next-server) based on MAC...
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| 08:53 | <gdi2k__> but if one server is down, how would it tell clients to use the other?
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| 08:53 | <alkisg> Then static allocation isn't fine
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| 08:53 | That's when you need dnsmasq dhcp scripts or pxelinux scripting
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| 08:54 | You can also have proxydhcp instead
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| 08:54 | So that if a proxy is down, the other would answer...
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| 08:54 | <gdi2k__> static in terms of "server 1 is priority for PC1 - 10, server 2 is priority for the rest, but both should fail over to one another"
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| 08:55 | <alkisg> !proxydhcp
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| 08:55 | <ltsp> proxydhcp: A proxy DHCP server is defined by the PXE specification as a server which sends auxiliary boot information to clients, like the boot filename, tftp server or rootpath, but leaves the task of IP leasing to the normal DHCP server. More info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 08:58 | <alkisg> With 2 proxydhcp servers and a real dhcp server and 2 PXE menus to allow the users to "force select" a specific server I think you're fine
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| 08:58 | <gdi2k__> "Adjusting pxelinux.cfg/default for Ubuntu 8.04 - 9.10" is that still applicable to to 12.04
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| 08:58 | yes, that sounds like a plan - just starting to get my head around it...
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| 08:59 | <alkisg> (10:58:39 πμ) gdi2k__: "Adjusting pxelinux.cfg/default for Ubuntu 8.04 - 9.10" is that still applicable to to 12.04 => read 2 paragraphs below that where it says about 12.04
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| 08:59 | <gdi2k__> ah ok
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| 09:00 | <alkisg> It's been many years since I've written that page and many people have modified it so I don't know if it's still valid
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| 09:08 | <gdi2k__> alkisg, so on the main DHCP server, what is the config? No boot info is given out by it? How do the clients know where to find ProxyDHCP - I'm missing something in the logic
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| 09:08 | <alkisg> dhcp requests are broadcasted
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| 09:09 | So all proxydhcp servers reply
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| 09:09 | <gdi2k__> ah - so they get the lease from DHCP and the other bits from proxydhcp
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| 09:09 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 09:09 | <gdi2k__> nice
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| 10:38 | <gdi2k__> alkisg, it's nearly working, but it's getting stuck at the point at which the root fs is supposed to be mounted I think: http://i.imgur.com/6BpxBTL.jpg (sorry about the quality - should be just about discernible)
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| 10:38 | this is booting with dnsmasq
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| 10:44 | <giannis> Αλκη, έχω ένα πρόβλημα μετά τη δημοσίευση εικονικού δίσκου 3 ltsp clients δεν ανοίγουν, αλλά βγάζουν BuzyBox v. 1.18.5
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| 10:47 | <klausade> giannis: συγνώμη, αλλά δεν καταλαβαίνω english please.
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> !greek | echo giannis:
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| 10:49 | <ltsp> giannis: greek: Στο παρόν κανάλι μιλάνε μόνο Αγγλικά, για υποστήριξη στα Ελληνικά από την υπηρεσία Τεχνικής Στήριξης ΣΕΠΕΗΥ διαβάστε το http://ts.sch.gr/wiki/IRC και στη συνέχεια πληκτρολογήστε /j #ts.sch.gr
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| 10:50 | <gdi2k__> alkisg, at the end it gives "error socket failed" - nbd seems to be the issue
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| 10:51 | <alkisg> gdi2k__: eth0 configured at...
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| 10:51 | The first entry there is the client IP address, the second is the server
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| 10:51 | Is that the correct IP for the nbd server?
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| 10:52 | <gdi2k__> alkisg, no, the second is actually the DHCP server
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| 10:52 | the third is the gateway
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| 10:52 | <alkisg> So the problem isn't nbd, but dhcp
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| 10:52 | <gdi2k__> ok
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| 10:53 | <alkisg> (or ipappend...)
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| 10:54 | <gdi2k__> so most likely something is wrong with my /etc/dnsmasq.d/ltsp.conf ?
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| 10:56 | I'm a bit lost on the logic here - at that point in the boot, it is requesting a DHCP lease, which the DHCP server is giving - why would it give the IP of the LTSP server?
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| 11:01 | <alkisg> At that point *proxydhcp* requests are not considered at all
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| 11:01 | That's why you need ipappend 3
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| 11:01 | Read the wiki page again
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| 11:43 | <gdi2k__> alkisg, ok thank you! :) the issue was that I followed the instruction under "Adjusting pxelinux.cfg/default for Ubuntu 12.04" - it adds ipappend 3 to the end of the file, but the last item in the menu is memtest, not pxelinux, so ipappend 3 is added to the wrong item. After fixing that, it works :) - now I just have to add menu items
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| 14:48 | <matthias_arch> Hi, i've successfully set up a ubuntu ltsp install with fat clients, now i've installed a application for the clients in their image which needs sudo/root rights to be run. For example apache or any other. What is the best way to do this?
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| 14:58 | <workingcats> matthias_arch, then you need to give the users local root
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| 14:58 | erm how does this bot work
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| 14:58 | !localroot
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| 14:58 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'localroot', but I do know about these similar topics: 'local-boot'
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| 14:58 | <workingcats> !root
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| 14:58 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'root', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ltsp-chroot'
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| 14:58 | <workingcats> hrm
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| 14:59 | if its ok to have just one local root pw across all clients then this is sufficient: http://bootpolish.net/pageloader.pl?page=home_ltsp_ltspclientrootpassword
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| 14:59 | matthias_arch, ^
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| 15:00 | <gdi2k__> matthias_arch, did you see the above messages from workingcats? looks like you may have reconnected
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| 15:07 | <matthias_arch> Yes thanks, you mean do passwd when i chrooted in the client image, isn't that insecure?
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| 15:07 | <workingcats> well it depends on what you want
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| 15:25 | <matthias_arch> workingcats: i want to let the user start apache2 and a programm which uses the usb/com port
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| 15:26 | <workingcats> no i mean depends on what you're securing against
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| 15:27 | does it matter if user A can start apache on user B's fat client?
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| 15:27 | does it matter if users can get full access to their local machine, if they chose to dig?
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| 15:31 | <matthias_arch> workingcats: a little bit because the network is for an it class at high school
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| 15:31 | <matthias_arch> I found something about the sudoers file
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| 15:33 | <DannyCan> Hello is it possible to setup a dual server LTSP cluster in a high availability configuration where if one server goes down there is a seamless transition? I'm using Ubuntu 13.10 with Xubuntu fat clients.
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| 16:16 | <workingcats> DannyCan, with fat clients it should be possible i think. you'll just need hot failover for everything critical
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| 16:17 | "just"
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| 19:58 | <DannyCan> workingcats hot fail-over is exactly what I need however I'm unable to locate any documentation about it, is this supported by LTSP?
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| 20:08 | <DannyCan> alkisg are you familiar with a hot failover LTSP configuration?
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| 20:09 | <alkisg> DannyCan: you can do that for dns, dhcp, even for /home, but not for running applications (sessions)
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| 20:09 | So it can only work after logoff/login
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| 20:37 | <DannyCan> Does anyone know how to setup NBD/SSHAuth failover for fat clients?
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| 20:50 | <||cw> DannyCan: ndb should be the same as for thin
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| 20:50 | ssh probably is too
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| 23:55 | <Guest26825> has anyone here ever set up ltsp to work with a wyse v50 ?
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