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Channel log from 18 June 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:43 | <garbat> ciao a tutti
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| 00:47 | <str4nd> English please. :)
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| 02:06 | <subir> ogra, ping
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| 02:28 | <vagrantc> hmmmm....
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| 02:28 | had best get my talk ready.
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| 02:28 | jammcq: you still awake ?
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| 02:33 | <Waleee> is someone familiar with nfsmount errors in the client boot-process (ltsp-5.0) ?
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| 02:34 | <vagrantc> Waleee: just tell us the errors, and if we have a clue, we'll respond :)
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| 02:34 | always better to just start asking questions, and wait for a response...
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| 02:39 | <Waleee> ok :) , quote from the boot: "nfsmount need a path" ... the exported /opt/ltsp-5.0/i386 filesystem is found in the boot-up but when it comes to that point when nfsmount kicks in
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| 02:39 | it 'errors'
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| 02:39 | <vagrantc> Waleee: ok ... what linux distro ?
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| 02:40 | <klausade> Waleee: what is the "option root-path" like in your dhcpd.conf?
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| 02:40 | <vagrantc> i.e. grep root-path /etc/*/dhcpd.conf
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| 02:41 | <Waleee> debian etch
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| 02:41 | klausade: /opt/ltsp-5.0/i386
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| 02:41 | <vagrantc> Waleee: /etc/exports
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| 02:42 | <klausade> Waleee: I need on etch this syntax "option root-path "10.0.2.250:/opt/ltsp/i386";"
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| 02:42 | <vagrantc> klausade: that will definitely not work with the ltsp packages from etch.
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| 02:42 | <klausade> Waleee: not actually sure about that "need"-part, but it works
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| 02:42 | <Waleee> forgot to mention the ip ... but it's included in my dhcpd.conf
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| 02:42 | <vagrantc> well, the initramfs-tools from etch
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| 02:43 | <Waleee> vagrantc: /opt/ltsp-5.0/i386 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync)
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| 02:43 | is the exports line
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| 02:43 | <vagrantc> Waleee: yeah, including the ip in root-path will break it on etch
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| 02:43 | <klausade> vagrantc: sorry, you are correct. (looked at the wrong dhcp-server)
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| 02:44 | <Waleee> ok ... thankx
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| 02:44 | <vagrantc> see http://bugs.debian.org/395145 and 387808
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| 02:44 | <Waleee> *thanks
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| 02:44 | <vagrantc> http://bugs.debian.org/src:ltsp
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| 02:44 | Waleee: drop the ip part from root-path, and add "next-server IP;" and restart your dhcp server
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| 02:45 | Waleee: that should do it
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| 02:51 | <Waleee> vagrantc: thanks a lot :) ... worked out quite fine
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| 02:52 | <vagrantc> Waleee: sorry we didn't catch that for etch release.
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| 02:55 | <Waleee> vagrantc: will it be a new release in the next months or so ? just wondering if I have done a unnecessary upgrade that will need to be repeated in a few months
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| 02:56 | <vagrantc> Waleee: well, etch will be that way for probably a couple years, at least.
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| 02:56 | Waleee: however, there's some backported packages that we release more often- but it's not officially part of etch
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| 03:00 | Waleee: there's a *little* bit of info at http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 03:00 | Waleee: including a howto on using the backported packages
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| 03:01 | <Waleee> vagrantc: I use the tarball version :)
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| 03:01 | <vagrantc> Waleee: oh.
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| 03:02 | Waleee: that's probably a little out of date. it was created before etch was released.
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| 03:04 | <Waleee> is there another, more up-to-date, one avaible ?
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| 03:05 | <vagrantc> no that i'm aware of
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| 03:05 | <vagrantc> Waleee: you can build it yourself.
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| 05:43 | <Waleee> is there any additional options to the lts.conf file which can make a usb-keyboard (which is malfunctioning with ltsp 5.0) to work properly ?
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| 05:43 | <ogra> whats malfunctioning ?
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| 05:43 | the keyma ? the behavior ?
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| 05:43 | *keymap
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| 05:44 | and which distro/version ?
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| 05:44 | <Waleee> debian, etch
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| 05:45 | the keyboard functions only sometimes when you have typed for example "3" repeatedly
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| 05:45 | keymap=se
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| 05:46 | <ogra> hmm, strange ... i didnt see something like that in ubuntu yet ...
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| 05:46 | likely an udev bug in debian
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| 05:47 | but you are lucky, most of the ltsp debian devs are in edinburgh atm ... they should be around during the day to help you debug :)
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| 05:51 | <vagrantc> Waleee: hrm.
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| 05:52 | * vagrantc is busy trying to piece together the talk vagrantc should have been writing the last 6 months | |
| 05:52 | * ogra wonders what sbalneav is doing with X in the new ldm code to break the keyboard so badly | |
| 05:52 | <ogra> heh
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| 05:52 | <vagrantc> Waleee: so ... does it work fine with other keymaps ?
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| 05:52 | <ogra> vagrantc, its your expert area ... you should be able to talk stand up on that :)
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| 05:53 | <vagrantc> ogra: yeah.
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| 05:53 | ogra: we can hope :)
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| 05:53 | https://penta.debconf.org/~joerg/events/22.en.html
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| 05:53 | <Waleee> haven't tested that yet ...
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| 05:53 | <ogra> lots of certs ...
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| 05:53 | not i know the site cant lie :P
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| 05:54 | vagrantc, nice intro :)
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| 05:55 | <vagrantc> ogra: i hope my talk goes nearly as well as my description of the talk :)
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| 05:55 | <ogra> heh
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| 05:55 | it wil, i'm sure
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| 05:55 | *will
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| 05:55 | * ogra twiddles thumbs waiting for sbalnev ... | |
| 05:56 | <ogra> i would so love to upload the new ldm stuff but somehow scott manages to break X input in the code ...
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| 05:56 | <sep> vagrantc, 22/6 ? ill see if i can watch on stream
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| 05:56 | <ogra> and i cant find the reason
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| 05:56 | <vagrantc> they put me in the big talk room ... eeyk.
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| 05:56 | <ogra> hehe
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| 05:57 | <vagrantc> sep: june 22nd, yes.
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| 05:57 | sep: 14:00 +0100 i think
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| 05:57 | <ogra> well, for ubuntulive we have tree thin client talks already :) ltsp is the future, get used to big rooms ;)
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| 06:01 | * vagrantc likes trees | |
| 06:02 | <cliebow> vagrantc, they let you in finally then?
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| 06:03 | <ogra> heh
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| 06:03 | <cliebow> you streaming your talk ? 8~)
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| 06:03 | <vagrantc> yeah, made it through on the second try :)
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| 06:03 | i think it'll be streamed
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| 06:04 | <sep> the debian videoteam is streaming everything and archiving it for posterity at http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2007/debconf7/
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| 06:04 | afaik
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| 06:04 | <vagrantc> cliebow: were you around in the ltsp 3.0 and earlier days ?
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| 06:04 | <cliebow> ltsp 3 yes..noy before
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| 06:04 | <vagrantc> i'm trying to get a brief technical history ...
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| 06:04 | <cliebow> we stole binaries from redhat 7.2 i believe
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| 06:05 | <vagrantc> cliebow: i.e. briefly talk about the LBE for 4.x, and what we do for 5.0 ...
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| 06:05 | <cliebow> 7.3 i meAN
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| 06:05 | <vagrantc> cliebow: so you built /opt/ltsp/i386 using rpms ?
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| 06:05 | that's what i thought, but wanted to check
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| 06:06 | in a sense, ltsp 5.0 almost seems more similar to ltsp 3.x ... except of course, with ltsp 5.0 we're attempting to be distro independent :)
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| 06:06 | <cliebow> jammcq has a little history..he saids they were going nuts trying to support it..when i get to school ill look around a little..so jim and scottie buit the build environment so glibcs and stuff would match
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| 06:07 | lemme look at the wiki..
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| 06:07 | <ogra> vagrantc, are you attempting to implement fedora ?
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| 06:07 | <vagrantc> yeah, i tried finding some info earlier today but had a bit of a difficult time finding too much
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| 06:08 | ogra: no :P
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| 06:08 | <ogra> hhe
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| 06:08 | <ogra> anaconda should be able to build chroots according to warren
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| 06:08 | <vagrantc> ogra: just that we've put some thought into making it so that it wouldn't be hard to build it on other distros
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| 06:10 | <ogra> hmm, scottie uses add as xauth command instead of generate ... i woder if thats cuasing the input probs ... semms unlikely though
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| 06:11 | <cliebow> yeeah ltsp3 came in rpm tgz and deb
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| 06:12 | <vagrantc> cliebow: but the ltsp3 deb still installed /opt/ltsp/i386 built from rpms, right ?
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| 06:13 | just want to make sure i get the basic theory right
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| 06:13 | <cliebow> LBE (LTSP Build Environment)
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| 06:13 | Probably the largest single feature of LTSP-4.0 is the fact that it is entirely built from source code. In previous versions of LTSP, we took binaries from other distros (Mostly Redhat 7.0).
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| 06:14 | <ogra> does anybody see any reason to keep esd support ?
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| 06:14 | <cliebow> http://ltsp.sourceforge.net/ltsp-4.html
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| 06:14 | <ogra> pulse replaces it completely in all areas ... imho we could drop it
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| 06:14 | <vagrantc> cliebow: thanks :)
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| 06:14 | <cliebow> best i can do..jammcq can speak more coherently of curse
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| 06:15 | <vagrantc> cliebow: yeah, i'll hopefully hassle jammcq later as well
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| 06:16 | <cliebow> no hassle at all best of luck presenting...ping me if there is a webcam going there..loove to look in
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| 06:17 | <vagrantc> cliebow: barring technical difficulties, it will definitely be streamed
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| 06:26 | <cliebow> cool..bookin it for school
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| 06:43 | <jammcq> g'morning guys
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| 06:43 | <ogra> jammcq, morning
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| 06:44 | ldm2 rocks !
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| 06:44 | if it would also work it would be perfect :P
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| 06:44 | <jammcq> hey, anybody have a clue how to look at a core file and tell what program was running that created it?
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| 06:44 | ogra: details :)
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| 06:44 | <ogra> cant gdb do that ?
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| 06:44 | <jammcq> I'm pretty sure gdm can, I just don't know the magic command to enter in gdm
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| 06:44 | err
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| 06:44 | gdb
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| 06:45 | I just spent about 10 minutes trying
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| 06:45 | anyway, I have a 3.2gb core file in my home directory on one of my servers. It's got a timestamp of last friday at 6:30pm, and I don't understand what it is
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| 06:46 | and I know that i wasn't logged in at 6:30pm, cuz I was travelling in Minnisota
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| 06:47 | <ogra> well, somethng crashed
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| 06:47 | <jammcq> something BIG crashed
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| 06:47 | <ogra> nah
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| 06:47 | <jammcq> uptime is 207 days
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| 06:47 | <ogra> your server has 3.2G ram or more
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| 06:48 | its an image of your memory
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| 06:48 | <jammcq> no
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| 06:48 | <ogra> no ?
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| 06:48 | <jammcq> core files don't grab ALL of ram
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| 06:48 | only the the ram used by that program
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| 06:48 | <ogra> well
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| 06:48 | <jammcq> so, it appears the program was using 3.2gb
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| 06:50 | * ogra pokes ldm and changes the xauth file creation | |
| 06:51 | <ogra> but i doubt that fixes the input probs :/
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| 06:53 | where is scott if you need him ...
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| 06:53 | <jammcq> heh
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| 06:53 | he'll be here in 90 mins or so
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| 06:53 | <ogra> yeah, i know
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| 06:53 | i just wanted to moan a bit
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| 06:53 | <jammcq> he is soooo geeked up about this ldm2 stuff
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| 06:53 | <ogra> i'm clueless what our probelm is ...
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| 06:53 | <jammcq> it's fun to watch him
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| 06:54 | <ogra> well, i was planning to default to it today
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| 06:54 | but that input prob prevents it ...
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| 06:54 | apparently keyboard and mouse input gets repeted over and over after some time ... that doesnt happen in ldm1 or XDMCP ...
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| 06:55 | the only obvous difference is that ldm2 creates xauth with "add" instead of "generate"
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| 06:56 | apart from that i dont know what else he has done
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| 06:56 | seems there is no ssh-askpass used at all
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| 06:56 | ahich ldm1 did ...
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| 06:56 | *which
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| 06:58 | jammcq, btw, i found the bug with the e2300 and usplash :)
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| 06:58 | <jammcq> oh?
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| 06:58 | fixable?
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| 06:58 | <ogra> usplash defaults to 1024x786 :)
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| 06:59 | the sis framebuffer only manages 800x600
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| 06:59 | <jammcq> oh? wow
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| 06:59 | <ogra> changing /etc/usplash in the chroot to 800x600, regenerating the initramfs and running ltsp-update-kernels fixes it
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| 06:59 | err
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| 07:00 | /etc/usplash.conf
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| 07:00 | <jammcq> what does that do for the other clients?
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| 07:00 | <ogra> i'm not sure we should make it the default for all clients ...
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| 07:00 | it looks a bit shoddy on big screens
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| 07:00 | but it wouldnt break on them
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| 07:01 | <jammcq> seems like we should be able to tell sis fb driver to behave properly
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| 07:01 | <ogra> well, sisfb isnt used ...
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| 07:01 | usplash defaults to vesafb
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| 07:01 | changing *that* is want more complicted than fixing the usplash.conf
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| 07:02 | if i could find a way to 100% sure tell that we're on an e2300 in initramfs i could add workaround code
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| 07:02 | <jammcq> ah, it appears nx is what crashed on my box
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| 07:02 | strings core | more
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| 07:02 | <ogra> so it automatically falls back to 800x600 for e2300's
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| 07:02 | <jammcq> shows lots of 'nx' stuff
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| 07:03 | hmm
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| 07:03 | take the md5sum of the output of lspci
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| 07:03 | use that as a signature
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| 07:03 | <ogra> hmm
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| 07:04 | <jammcq> but you'd need to do that early, eh?
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| 07:04 | <ogra> sounds like a plan ...
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| 07:04 | yeah
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| 07:04 | very early
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| 07:05 | <vagrantc> probably just use: md5sum /proc/bus/pci/devices
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| 07:05 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 07:05 | <jammcq> that's what I was thinking too
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| 07:05 | but I wonder if there's any state information in /proc/bus/pci/devices
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| 07:05 | <ogra> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/usplash has the code
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| 07:06 | <cliebow_> vagrantc, if you get a url lemme know..
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| 07:06 | <ogra> oooh, wait ...
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| 07:07 | probably usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/framebuffer might be more helpful
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| 07:07 | * ogra tries something | |
| 07:07 | <vagrantc> cliebow_: http://streams.video.debconf.org:8000/
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| 07:07 | <cliebow_> graze!
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| 07:07 | <vagrantc> er, wait
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| 07:08 | i guess that's it
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| 07:08 | i thought there were several simultaneous talks ... but maybe only one of them is streamed
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| 07:09 | <vagrantc> cliebow_: for more details: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/06/msg00006.html
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| 07:09 | <cliebow_> beauticil
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| 07:10 | <vagrantc> jammcq: so what should i say ? "blah blah blah LTSP blah blah" ?
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| 07:11 | i guess that's pretty much the structure of a talk.
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| 07:11 | <jammcq> vagrantc: did you get my email?
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| 07:11 | <vagrantc> jammcq: not yet
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| 07:11 | <jammcq> well.......
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| 07:11 | it basically says blah blah blah LTSP blah blah
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| 07:11 | <vagrantc> excellent, so i'm on the right track!
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| 07:11 | <jammcq> with the occasional joke in there
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| 07:11 | <ogra> vagrantc, enterprise solution of the future, lowering maintenance costs, no moving parts in clients, changing broken clients as easy as changing a lightbulb
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| 07:12 | <jammcq> able to leap tall buildings in a single bound
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| 07:12 | <vagrantc> sounds too much marketing
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| 07:13 | <vagrantc> i mean, i'll address that, but that's not really the weight of the talk.
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| 07:13 | <jammcq> vagrantc: when is your talk?
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| 07:13 | <vagrantc> jammcq: https://penta.debconf.org/~joerg/events/22.en.html
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| 07:13 | <ogra> jammcq, https://penta.debconf.org/~joerg/events/22.en.html
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| 07:14 | <jammcq> oh, plenty of time
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| 07:15 | vagrantc: VERY nice description
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| 07:15 | did you write that?
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| 07:16 | <vagrantc> jammcq: yeah, i hope the talk is half as good as the description
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| 07:16 | <jammcq> heh, I'd definately go to that talk
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| 07:16 | if it weren't 4,000 miles away
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| 07:17 | <vagrantc> unfortunately, i'm competing with mako ... on a talk that i'd really like to go to :(
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| 07:17 | <jammcq> yeah, conflicts in the schedule suck
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| 07:18 | <cliebow_> as would i..can yu hold off a few minutes while i look for a flight..
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| 07:18 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 07:18 | <jammcq> cliebow_: whaddya say we show up for his talk
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| 07:18 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 07:18 | <jammcq> we'll be the two old guys in the back, heckling him :)
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| 07:19 | <cliebow_> sounds like a plan..just like the old geeaers in the Muppet Show
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| 07:19 | <jammcq> zackly
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| 07:19 | <cliebow_> all i see in the stream is "Debconf 7" i thought there'd at least be a drum roll
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| 07:20 | <vagrantc> cliebow_: it's still lunch here
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| 07:20 | probably no talks
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| 07:20 | <jammcq> vagrantc: if you see Bdale, tell him I said hello
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| 07:21 | <vagrantc> jammcq: sure
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| 07:22 | oh, the nbd maintainer in debian (and possibly upstream, sort of) is here ...
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| 07:22 | <jammcq> why does it say DebConf7 is 17-23 June 2007? but clearly the schedule starts on june 9th?
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| 07:22 | <vagrantc> we've talked a bit about nbd related stuff- he's very recenptive
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| 07:22 | <jammcq> vagrantc: cooool
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| 07:23 | <vagrantc> jammcq: the earlier part is technically debcamp ... more hacking related
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| 07:23 | jammcq: the fun part :)
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| 07:23 | hence, all the packages in debian i work on recieved new uploads this week :)
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| 07:23 | <jammcq> i'm curious to see how it will be supporting large installations, where you want to change the chroot. do all users have to be OFF the system before generating the new filesystem image?
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| 07:23 | <ogra> vagrantc, having a proper pinger in nbd-server would be so cool
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| 07:23 | <jammcq> ie, what happens if you slide a new squashfs image in place, while a user is logged in?
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| 07:23 | <vagrantc> ogra: yeah, sounds like that'll be implemented
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| 07:24 | <ogra> we cant set the keepalive values to lower than 2h else it breaks ftp i was told
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| 07:24 | <vagrantc> jammcq: what were the features you added in ltspswapd ?
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| 07:24 | <ogra> i dont like to have nbd-servers hanging around for 2h
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| 07:24 | so having a proper ping solution in the server itself would be cool
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| 07:24 | <jammcq> vagrantc: umm.... auto creating of the swap files
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| 07:24 | <vagrantc> jammcq: that's it ?
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| 07:24 | <jammcq> I think so
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| 07:24 | <ogra> vagrantc, didnt we look at it together ?
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| 07:24 | <jammcq> it's been a long time
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| 07:24 | <ogra> i'm pretty sure it was only that
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| 07:25 | * jammcq has to head out to pickup daughter #1 from the airport | |
| 07:25 | <ogra> vagrantc, beyond that, tell wouter i owe him a beer even we never met :)
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| 07:25 | <vagrantc> i didn't look at it till today
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| 07:25 | <jammcq> see ya'll a bit later
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| 07:25 | <ogra> ndbroot beats all i've ever seen before :)
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| 07:26 | <vagrantc> ogra: will do
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| 07:26 | <ogra> (might be the suqashfs though ... but dont tell him :) )
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| 07:27 | <vagrantc> jammcq: i *think* the nbd-server process will hold the file open, and even if you move the file the running processes will use the old one.
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| 07:27 | <ogra> yes it does
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| 07:27 | i can shuffe around the image even though i have running clients here
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| 07:27 | <vagrantc> so regenerating a new one will require rebooting the terminal for changes to take effect
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| 07:27 | <ogra> right
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| 07:27 | <vagrantc> which is often the case for many things with NFS anyways
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| 07:28 | <ogra> it shld respect the HUP signal
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| 07:28 | to re-read the image on demand
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| 07:28 | <vagrantc> that's going to be hard to implement ...
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| 07:28 | the client would also have to somehow remount the image, too ...
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| 07:28 | otherwise you'd get filesystem corruption, i think
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| 07:28 | <ogra> why?
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| 07:28 | hmm
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| 07:29 | <vagrantc> i'm not positive, but i think so
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| 07:29 | <ogra> well, in the union thats likely indeed
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| 07:29 | wiht a standalone readonly image that shouldnt be an issue
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| 07:29 | <cliebow_> ogra:any way to override architecture warnings when trying to install stuff in ppc like nx and firstclass:or perhaps there is really a good reason for it
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| 07:29 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 07:29 | you could add the new image to the union, and remove the old one :)
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| 07:29 | <ogra> yeah
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| 07:30 | i was pondering something like that
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| 07:30 | oh
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| 07:30 | * ogra just saw an xauth error rushing by | |
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| 07:39 | <Waleee> which X config file is used by ltsp-5.0 ? The one included unde "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" doesn't seem to affect the setup in many ways (screen resolution, keyboard-maps ... )
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| 07:40 | */opt/ltsp-5.0/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf
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| 07:41 | <ogra> its generated on boot
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| 07:41 | you can affect it by setting values in lts.conf or even force the use of a static config file
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| 07:42 | all known parameters are in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz
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| 07:43 | <ogra> and an example file for ltsp5 is in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts.conf
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| 07:43 | <Waleee> I have tested to change lts.conf X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 but ltsp still uses 1024x768 :/
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| 07:44 | *change lts.conf X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 to 1280x1024
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| 07:46 | <ogra> X_MODE isnt supported in ubuntu, but should be in debian ... you said you are using etch, right ?
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| 07:46 | <Waleee> yes
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| 07:46 | <ogra> just use a static config file if you cant get the autodetection running ;)
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| 07:46 | it speeds up the boot as well :)
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| 07:47 | in ubuntu we use X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH to generate the right modelines if your monitor is to old to give the correct answer to the probe, that should be possible in debian as well ...
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| 07:49 | <Waleee> ok , you don't happen to remember the correct values for the if you want to use a 1280x1024 resolution ?
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| 07:50 | <ogra> they are specific to your monitor
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| 07:50 | should be in your handbook (or google model and manufacturer)
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| 07:54 | <ogra> cliebow, you cant run binaries that are compiled for i386 on ppc
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| 07:56 | <cliebow_> ogra:yeah ..
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| 07:57 | i kinda thought that might be high level enough to not care..but i guess not
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| 07:58 | <ogra> big endian vs little endian CPU :)
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| 08:18 | <vagrantc> Waleee: X_MODE_0 should work, but if your video card is detected as vesa, 1024x768 might be the maximum it supports ...
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| 08:20 | Waleee: if you know what driver your card supports, you can specify XSERVER=DRIVERNAME in lts.conf
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| 08:21 | Waleee: alternately, create an xorg.conf that works for you and set XF86CONFIG_FILE=/path/to/custom/config/file
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| 08:21 | Waleee: like ogra said, that'll speed up boot.
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| 08:40 | jammcq: still haven't gotten your email :(
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| 08:44 | * ogra wonders if he should put time into adding a WLAN mode and an iso builder for WLAN netboot support | |
| 08:45 | <ogra> i'm poking around in initramfs anyway
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| 08:52 | <Gadi> ogra: did you ever wind up moving more of the init stuff into initramfs?
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| 08:52 | <ogra> not for gutsy
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| 08:53 | gutsy+1 or +2
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| 08:53 | (+1 might be LTS, so i'll be very careful abot that one)
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| 08:54 | <Gadi> gotcha
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| 08:54 | how about the udevsettle redirect stuff?
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| 08:54 | <ogra> thats done already
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| 08:54 | <Gadi> ah
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| 08:54 | for gutsy
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| 08:54 | <ogra> more important is to get ldm2 to work atm
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| 08:54 | <Gadi> right
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| 08:54 | hows it going?
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| 08:54 | <ogra> thats something i urgently want in gutsy
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| 08:55 | works fine, but X input is completely broken
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| 08:55 | no clue why yet
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| 08:55 | no traces in any logs odr so
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| 08:55 | <Gadi> as in keybd doesnt work?
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| 08:55 | <ogra> rather the opposite :)
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| 08:56 | one input event is repeated endlessly ...
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| 08:56 | <Gadi> ha! really?
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| 08:56 | neat
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| 08:56 | <ogra> it shows up if you hit enter several times in a terminal
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| 08:56 | bu also seems to affect the mouse
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| 08:56 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 08:56 | <ogra> and it doesnt show up in ldm1 or XDMCP on the same setup
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| 08:56 | <Gadi> so, its something in the greeter code...
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| 08:56 | <ogra> so it must be the ldm2 code
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| 08:57 | nope, not the greeter
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| 08:57 | * vagrantc wonders if it has to do with all the stdin/stdout handling | |
| 08:57 | <ogra> vagrantc, yes, very likely with the dropping of the tty
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| 08:57 | which we dont do in ldm1
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| 08:57 | we use an ssh-askpass wrapper there ...
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| 08:57 | scott refused to do that in ldm2
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| 08:58 | <vagrantc> i don't see why we can't use ssh-askpass for the parts it works for, and start processing output differently when necessary ... i guess that might be hard to determine
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| 08:58 | <ogra> intrestingly if i log out and back in again it seems to work fine
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| 08:58 | <Gadi> is ssh-askpass documented well anywhere?
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| 08:59 | <ogra> well, apparently scott wrote his own ssh-askpass inside the code as a function
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| 08:59 | * Gadi has never seen good docs of inputs/outputs | |
| 08:59 | <ogra> Gadi, in ssh i guess
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| 08:59 | it has tons of different implemetations and is usually only a wrapper around a file descriptor to parse the password
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| 09:00 | <Gadi> but, it can also handle the other parts
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| 09:00 | not just password
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| 09:00 | but, Ive never seen docs on what ssh feeds to the script
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| 09:00 | <ogra> ssh-askpass-fullscreen sounds like a good ldm1 replacement :P
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| 09:01 | Gadi, only the password
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| 09:01 | <ltsppbot> "ogra" pasted "ldm-askpass for Gadi" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/189
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| 09:02 | <Gadi> really? how come I have seen GUI interactions for the known-hosts stuff, as well?
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| 09:02 | <ogra> thats not ssh-askpass
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| 09:02 | <Gadi> presumably thats implemented thru askpass as well
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| 09:02 | no?
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| 09:02 | hmm...
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| 09:02 | <ogra> afaik not
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| 09:02 | anywayi i dont really think its the password handling
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| 09:03 | its the dropping of the tty either or even an X or xauth issue
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| 09:03 | * ogra suspects xauth somehow | |
| 09:04 | <ogra> or a realtion of xauth and the dropping of the tty
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| 09:04 | *relation
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| 09:09 | <vagrantc> ssh-askpass passes whatever ssh feeds it on to the implementation
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| 09:10 | so it does do known_hosts handling and stuff ...
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| 09:24 | <ogra> ah
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| 09:30 | <vagrantc> with sdm it actually even obscures the yes/no answers as if they were passwords because i just hard-coded the password-obscuring stuff
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> vagrantc: so, what is the input to askpass? (ie stdin) is it just the text of the ssh question?
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| 09:32 | or is it a code of sorts?
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| 09:32 | * vagrantc pulls up the sdm-ssh-askpass code | |
| 09:33 | <vagrantc> heh. it's a one-liner
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| 09:34 | Xdialog --stdout --password --inputbox "$1" 0 0 ""
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| 09:34 | well, in the code it's 3 lines with \'s
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| 09:34 | <Gadi> heh
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| 09:35 | <Blinny> Does anyone have a full X_MODE line for a widescreen LCD at 1440x900 ?
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| 09:35 | <vagrantc> so ssh-askpass just gets passed the visual text as the first argument ...
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| 09:35 | maybe it specifies a second argument in some cases ...
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| 09:50 | <exodos> Blinny: Modeline "1440x900_60.00" 106.47 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 901 904 932 -HSync +Vsync
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| 09:50 | Modeline "1440x900_70.00" 126.98 1440 1536 1688 1936 900 901 904 937 -HSync +Vsync
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| 09:50 | <Blinny> Rock on. Thank you.
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| 09:51 | <Blinny> exodos: In my examples in the lts.conf file there are no quotes, nor is there a _hz -- This is correct?
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| 09:52 | Oh. Wait.
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| 09:52 | This goes in build_x3_cfg doesn't it.
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| 09:53 | <exodos> there should be no quotes, but _hz is needed
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| 09:54 | <Blinny> exodos: So the lts.conf line is X_MODE_0 = 1440x900_60.00 106.47 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 901 904 932 -HSync +Vsync
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| 09:54 | ?
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| 09:55 | <exodos> yeah, should be ok
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| 09:55 | <Blinny> Thank you.
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| 09:56 | <exodos> actually if you want to use just one of them you can delete _hz
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| 09:56 | <Blinny> Ah, rock on.
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| 09:56 | brb. Thank you.
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| 10:02 | <Blinny> Thanks exodus - Works like a champ.
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| 11:04 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 11:28 | <Gadi> !s
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| 11:28 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 11:29 | <sbalneav> Hey gadi!
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> missed u at NCLS
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| 11:30 | <sbalneav> Have fun?
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| 11:31 | <sbalneav> ogra!
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> indeed
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| 11:45 | <sbalneav> hey vagrantc.
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| 11:45 | <vagrantc> hi
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| 11:45 | * vagrantc has been fighting with broken mailservers today | |
| 11:49 | * ogra just bought a good bunch of new network HW | |
| 11:49 | <sbalneav> Cool, ogra
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| 11:49 | <ogra> including netgear AP ...
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| 11:49 | it has three small sheets of paper in the box ...
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| 11:50 | and one folded big one
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| 11:50 | guess whats printed on the big one
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| 11:51 | <sbalneav> "Doesn't work with Linux"?
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| 11:51 | :)
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| 11:51 | <ogra> nah
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| 11:51 | the GPL :)
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| 11:51 | <sbalneav> Ah, cool.
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| 11:52 | <ogra> they actually put a printout of GPL and LGPL in te package :)
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| 11:52 | <sbalneav> Hey, you manage to get ldm2 going?
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| 11:52 | <ogra> yes
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| 11:52 | <sbalneav> Cool!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 11:52 | What was the problem?
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| 11:52 | <ogra> but something you added makes input events break
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| 11:52 | <sbalneav> Ah!!!
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| 11:52 | <ogra> no idea, yesterdays build worked fine
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| 11:52 | <sbalneav> So you're having the same problem with keyboard as I am?!
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| 11:53 | <ogra> i was fiddlig manually a lot and tried with a fresh chroot yesterday
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| 11:53 | yes, but only on ldm2
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| 11:53 | not on ldm1 or XDMCP
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| 11:53 | <sbalneav> Sticky keys reapeatinggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg?
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| 11:53 | <ogra> neither with ldm1 and the new greeter
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| 11:53 | <sbalneav> Crumb
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| 11:53 | ok
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| 11:53 | Well, good.
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| 11:53 | Now I know it's my fault.
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| 11:53 | * sbalneav racks his brain. | |
| 11:53 | <ogra> i also notice xauth warnings in the ldm2 session
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| 11:54 | <sbalneav> Oh, really?
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| 11:54 | WHere?
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| 11:54 | <ogra> and i noticed that you use add instead of generate for xauth
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| 11:54 | i usually use x2x via ssh -X to my laptop, so i can use the client keyboard and mouse on it
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| 11:54 | <sbalneav> Well, I took a look in what's in startx
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| 11:55 | What they do in there is generate a key with the mcookie,
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| 11:55 | add it
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| 11:55 | <ogra> running ssh -X -l ogra laptop x2x -east produces the xauth error
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| 11:55 | <sbalneav> then start the X with that.
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| 11:55 | <ogra> i dont see that error in XDMCP or ldm1
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| 11:55 | <sbalneav> I can easily do it the other way.
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| 11:55 | <ogra> so i suspect its somewhat xauth related
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| 11:56 | but it might also be the -t in your ssh call
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| 11:56 | <sbalneav> Gah! The keyboard thing is driving me nits.
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| 11:56 | nuts
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| 11:56 | <ogra> guess we have to check that step by step
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| 11:56 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 11:56 | ok
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| 11:56 | well, we'll figure it out.
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| 11:56 | <ogra> oh, did you notice that it goes away after a re-login ?
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| 11:56 | at least here
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| 11:56 | <sbalneav> no! I didn't
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| 11:56 | Interesting.
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| 11:57 | Hey! Did you see the rc file stuff I added in last night?
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| 11:57 | delayed mounter can disappear. Replaced by a 3 line shell script :)
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| 11:57 | <ogra> i didnt pull since yesterday morning, no
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| 11:57 | <sbalneav> Whoops gotta go to a meeting.
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| 11:57 | be on in an hoir
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| 11:57 | <ogra> ah, sounds cool !
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| 12:12 | <dz0> Thought perhaps you might be able to help me. Ive run ltsp before but the question I have is not about it. Knowing a lot of dealings with pxe in here Im hopeful. I apologize up front for being off topic. I am trying to pxeboot a machine for a remote install of Redhat AS4. I get an "NBP is too big to fit in base memory." My understanding is I need some small bootstrap file The system is "HP UNDI PXE-2.1" ... intel NIC. Any sugge
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| 12:12 | stions? Thanks.
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> dz0: you'll need a PXE capable boot loader, such as pxelinux from syslinux
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| 12:23 | dz0: and configure your boot loader to load the OS.
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| 12:25 | <dz0> vagrantc: This? http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php
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| 12:26 | <vagrantc> dz0: sounds about right
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| 12:27 | <dz0> vagrantc: Thanks. Ill look into this. Hopefully it works. Ive been all over the place and cant find any bootstrap file provided by the vendors. Seems like I dont recall having to do this stuff with my cheapo motherboards with built in nics at home... heh
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> i'd be very surprised if you didn't need a boot loader when using PXE
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| 12:29 | <dz0> I could just be remember wrong. THats more likely. =) Id think redhat would provide that in their pxeboot directory in that case...
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| 12:29 | <vagrantc> probably
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| 12:45 | <meeri> does any one have an idea how to solve?
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| 12:47 | <vagrantc> meeri: what's in pxelinux.cfg/default ?
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| 12:47 | meeri: you need to figure out what file pxelinux is trying to load, and see if that file is there.
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| 12:50 | <vagrantc> meeri: ok, well, you need to check how your tftp server is configured, and make sure that the files pxelinux.cfg/default are present in the directory your tftp server is serving them up from.
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| 12:50 | <meeri> tftp server has the "s "flag, and what files do I nedd in the pxelinux.cfg directory?
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> meeri: if at all possible, connect to irc while you can look at the configuration files sometime later
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| 12:51 | meeri: you need to look at what files are referenced in the pxelinux.cfg/default file
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| 12:52 | <meeri> the only file mentoned in this file is bzImage-XXXXXX
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> then make sure that file is served up via tftp
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| 12:52 | <cliebow_> meeri:you said 4.2?
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| 12:52 | <meeri> should I copy it into the pxelinux.cfg directory
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| 12:52 | yap 4.2, is correct
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| 12:52 | <ogra> also make sure you only have one dhcp server ;)
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| 12:53 | <vagrantc> but you said the error message was "kernel linux not found." so maybe the file in pxelinux.cfg/default is different than what's in the directory.
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| 12:53 | meeri: if it's a relative path, it needs to be copied relative to the pxelinux.0 binary
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| 12:54 | meeri: really, join irc later when you can get at the configuration- it will save us all hours of time.
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| 12:55 | through
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| 12:55 | <vagrantc> well, it's very difficult to troubleshoot without knowing the specific configuration
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| 12:55 | <meeri> I will try to set the relative path to the bzImage file
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| 12:56 | thx anyway, will try it tomorrow
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| 12:56 | <cliebow_> meeri:perhaps you could pastebot your dhcpd.conf
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| 12:56 | or not///(indeed!)
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| 12:59 | <sahil> how do i compile a custom kernel for 4.2?
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| 13:00 | <cliebow_> must you?
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| 13:03 | <sahil> cliebow_:i must
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| 13:04 | <cliebow_> i believe the kernel kit has a ,config to use..
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| 13:04 | you "Really " need to talk to jammcq..
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| 13:05 | it has been so long..since i did it
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| 13:05 | <sahil> the reason im doing it is for these ebox clients
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| 13:05 | my video is all slow and crappy
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| 13:06 | jammcq didn't know why so i figured id try compiling the right modules for video in
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| 13:06 | <cliebow_> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/CustomLtspKernels
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| 13:06 | <sahil> yeah im there
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| 13:07 | the instructions pass over to 4.2?
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| 13:07 | <cliebow_> i "think 2.6.13 was a 4.2 kernel..
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| 13:09 | <sbalneav> Back
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| 13:09 | <cliebow_> Front
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| 13:09 | <sbalneav> Sidways!
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| 13:09 | It's just a jump to the left!
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| 13:09 | (and then a step to the riiiiiight)
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| 13:09 | <cliebow_> jammcq would call me names..
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| 13:10 | shake it all aroiund
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| 13:10 | <sbalneav> Put your hands on your hips!
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| 13:10 | (And pull your knees in tiiiiiiight)
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| 13:10 | <cliebow_> how you coming on your ldm2.5
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| 13:10 | <sbalneav> Much progress, and one nasty bug needing to be solved.
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| 13:12 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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| 13:15 | <cliebow_> Dad!!have a good day yesterday?
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| 13:15 | <Guaraldo> Hi, Daddy!!!
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| 13:15 | <jammcq> cliebow_: yeah, I did
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| 13:15 | <cliebow_> me too
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| 13:15 | <jammcq> went for a great 8-mile bike ride. first one of the year
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| 13:16 | <cliebow_> i drove a hundred miles to get a "Linux Magazine"
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| 13:16 | and of course...lunch
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| 13:16 | <jammcq> wow, that's desparate
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| 13:16 | <cliebow_> and got some tennis balls for the dog
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| 13:17 | those guys are Rocking on ldm2
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| 13:22 | <ogra> wow, this new usb HD is impressive ...
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| 13:43 | <gbolte> has anyone tried to upgrade the version of xorg on ltsp to 7.1 and ran aiglx on their kiosk machines?
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| 13:47 | <cliebow_> gbolte:i dont think so..this i s 4.2?
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| 13:47 | <gbolte> yeah
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| 13:47 | I was on a project to try to upgrade it from 6.9 to 7.1
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| 13:47 | lol
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| 13:48 | <cliebow_> you come up with dependency problems?
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| 13:49 | <vagrantc> gbolte: you could try using the debian or ubuntu based LTSP which have newer versions of X.org
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| 13:49 | <jammcq> Xorg 6.9 was the last version of Xorg to use the monolithic build. 7.1 is using the modular build. it is a HUGE task to put that into the LBE
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| 13:49 | <gbolte> well I was trying to compile it from source and ended up giving up due to compile problems
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| 13:49 | <jammcq> HUGE doesn't even begin to cover it
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| 13:49 | <gbolte> hehe
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| 13:49 | <jammcq> HUGE x 1000 is what it would be :)
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| 13:49 | <gbolte> yeah
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| 13:49 | vagrantc, oh really?
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| 13:50 | <vagrantc> !ltsp5
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| 13:50 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ltsp5" is ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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| 13:50 | <gbolte> I may need to " borrow a few .deb files and extract their version
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| 13:50 | er "borrow"
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| 13:51 | <vagrantc> well, you'd be better off just building the entire environment, or using one of the pre-built tarballs.
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| 13:51 | <gbolte> prebuild tarball for xorg?
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| 13:51 | <vagrantc> for LTSP
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| 13:51 | !tarball
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| 13:51 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "tarball" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
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| 13:51 | <jammcq> for LTSP-5
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| 13:52 | <vagrantc> gbolte: what distro you running?
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| 13:52 | <gbolte> we are running suse
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| 13:52 | SLED 10 SP1
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc> there's actually been some effort from the opensuse folks i think to get LTSP5 ...
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| 13:53 | don't know how far along it is yet
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| 13:53 | <gbolte> hmm I should check that out
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| 13:55 | so far from what I have been researching, it dosent look like anyone has any documentation on ltsp + aiglx :P
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| 13:56 | <vagrantc> no idea on the aiglx, but newer versions of X.org are available in the newer distros
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| 13:56 | <gbolte> we already have 3d acceleration on the kiosk machines thanks to the nvidia drivers :)
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| 14:00 | <whiprush> you can use aiglx with ltsp
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| 14:00 | <whiprush> I have one or two here that do it
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| 14:01 | <gbolte> whiprush, oh yeah?
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| 14:01 | <jammcq> whiprush: yeah, but you are using LTSP-5
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| 14:01 | he's running Suse
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| 14:01 | <whiprush> oh
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| 14:01 | * whiprush reads up a bit | |
| 14:02 | <whiprush> oh god, that would be alot of work
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| 14:02 | <gbolte> well we can run ltsp5 however the last time that was tried things didnt work too well
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| 14:02 | <vagrantc> you can install a debian or ubuntu tarball on suse ...
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| 14:03 | it does require some effort, for sure.
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| 14:03 | <gbolte> ah
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| 14:03 | <vagrantc> ideally you get the suse folks to integrate it :)
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| 14:03 | <gbolte> hehe
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| 14:03 | yeah
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| 14:04 | <whiprush> they have their own lame thin client thing too
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| 14:04 | <ogra> aiglx is enabled by default in ubuntus xorg btw
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| 14:04 | <whiprush> which I think comes with sled10
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| 14:04 | <gbolte> well I think this project just came to a halt, because its turning out to be more work than worth
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| 14:05 | and switching to another os isnt really an option either
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| 14:05 | <ogra> well, there are two very wel working implementations ... it cant be *that* hard to port them to a suse or redhat
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| 14:06 | <gbolte> yeah
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| 14:07 | <ogra> gbolte, we tried compiz on an intel 915 based thin client during the last conference in sevilla btw, its awesome ...
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| 14:07 | and really snappy
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| 14:08 | <gbolte> oh yeah?
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| 14:08 | <ogra> yup
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| 14:08 | <gbolte> thats good to know
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| 14:09 | <whiprush> I can't find any intel-based thin clients, what kind was it?
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| 14:09 | <ogra> wobbly windows, drop shadows and zooming ... all worked as if running locally
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| 14:09 | <whiprush> I've just been using intel based PCs netbooted.
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| 14:09 | <ogra> whiprush, well, it was my classmate PC :)
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| 14:09 | <whiprush> ah
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| 14:09 | <ogra> not really a thin client
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| 14:09 | <whiprush> slick
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| 14:09 | <gbolte> yeah on this thin client that I am on right now I get fairly good glxgears FPS not that that is an accurate measure but its good to know that 3d is there
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| 14:09 | <ogra> but thats what intel would build if they'd have a thin client i guess :)
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| 14:09 | <whiprush> yeah if I find any old PC's with intel cards I scoop them up because they can do the 3D very well
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| 14:09 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:10 | <gbolte> all our clients run nvidia graphics
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| 14:10 | <ogra> we just enabled it for fun in sevilla, nobody really belived it would be usable
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| 14:10 | <whiprush> I am not surprised
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| 14:10 | it runs pretty well even on my i855GM
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| 14:10 | <ogra> it was extremly impressing
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| 14:11 | <whiprush> I just ordered a new thinkpad T61 with intel graphics.
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| 14:11 | very happy that they offer that now
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| 14:11 | <gbolte> ogra, what distro are you running
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| 14:11 | <ogra> gbolte, ubuntu indeed :)
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| 14:11 | <gbolte> oh ok
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| 14:12 | <cliebow_> heh
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| 14:12 | he is ubuntu..kinda
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| 14:12 | <gbolte> oh
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| 14:12 | I see
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| 14:12 | alright well ttyl
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| 14:19 | <sahil> to build lbe on a 64bit system will i need to make a 32 bit chroot?
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| 14:24 | <cliebow_> sahil:maybe get the tarball??
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| 14:25 | <vagrantc> no
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| 14:25 | --arch i386
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| 14:25 | should work on amd64 systems
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| 14:25 | <jammcq> I've not heard of anybody successfully building the LBE on a 64-bit system
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> oh, LBE ...
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| 15:10 | <fgiraldeau> And so, who is planning to attend to UbuntuLive?
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| 15:11 | <jammcq> O
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| 15:11 | I'll be there
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| 15:11 | <fgiraldeau> hi Jim.
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| 15:11 | I just registered yesterday
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> i'll probably be in portland, if not at ubuntulive
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| 15:11 | <jammcq> and I think sbalneav, ogra and vagrantc will be there
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| 15:12 | I'll actually be there for OSCON
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| 15:12 | <fgiraldeau> Ok, cool. Is there a formal meeting that is beeing organized?
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| 15:12 | Like a BoF?
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| 15:12 | <gloin> here's a random one
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| 15:13 | anyone ever consider setting up ltspfs etc on freebsd?
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| 15:13 | <jammcq> does fuse work on freebsd?
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| 15:13 | <gloin> that's question 1 to answer
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| 15:13 | <jammcq> fgiraldeau: nothing formal yet, but we can certainly pick a date/time for something
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| 15:13 | <gloin> my boss's boss is a freebsd advocate
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| 15:14 | jammcq: yes, fuse works on freebsd
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| 15:14 | <jammcq> well then, ltspfs shouldn't be too hard
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| 15:15 | <gloin> which would be the only stopper from setting up a BSD box as an ltsp server then?
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| 15:15 | all irony aside
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| 15:16 | <jammcq> no clue. I'm not a freebsd guy
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| 15:16 | <gloin> hmm
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| 15:16 | * gloin will ponder this | |
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> as the kFreeBSD debian port matures, i might play with using it with LTSP
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| 15:23 | but that's really just a FreeBSD kernel on a debian system
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| 15:27 | <ghaleb> hi all, I have the following problem
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| 15:27 | I installed AutoCad using wine on a ltsp server
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| 15:27 | but the problem appears after heavy working .
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| 15:27 | is there any solution ?
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| 15:28 | <jammcq> you didn't tell us WHAT problem appears
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| 15:28 | <ghaleb> sorry
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| 15:28 | the server shuts the application for a client suddenly
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| 15:29 | but there is enough memory
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| 15:29 | is it wise to install applications using wine ?
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> if they work, they work. if not, well ...
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| 15:30 | <ghaleb> initially , all the clients can lunch the application normally
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| 15:30 | but the problem after 15 mins of working appears
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| 15:31 | <vagrantc> that's more a wine issue than an LTSP one, i suspect
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| 15:31 | <ghaleb> hmm.
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| 15:32 | practically, do u think the memory management is the reason
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| 15:32 | I mean, is it a memory issue ?
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| 15:33 | <vagrantc> ask the wine developers
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| 15:33 | <ghaleb> another question ..
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| 15:33 | I'm a student
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| 15:34 | and I have the graduation project next semester, I want to create a clustered LTSP application server .
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| 15:34 | do u have any ideas ?
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> ghaleb: people have tried openmosix in the past... there's also openssi ... there's probably a few other routes to explore. but i don't know that any of them are decent yet
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| 15:38 | but maybe you can fix that :)
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| 15:38 | <ogra> well, that would require to make it accepted upstream ...
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| 15:39 | as long as linus doesnt allow it in te main branch its unlikely that distros put much work in
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| 15:39 | <dz0> vagrantc: btw syslinux did the trick. THanks.
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| 15:39 | <vagrantc> first thing to get something accepted is to demonstrate that it works well and doesn't break other things
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| 15:40 | dz0: good to hear :)
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| 15:40 | <ogra> yeah
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| 15:40 | <ogra> wow, booting the classmate from a 7200 rpm USB HD is really quick
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| 15:41 | <fgiraldeau> ghaleb: You may be interested about the presentation I did to NCLINUX last week
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| 15:41 | ghaleb: https://svn.revolutionlinux.com/MILLE/XTERM/trunk/Documentation/ltsp-cluster-nclinux-2007/ltsp-cluster-nclinux-2007.odp
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| 15:43 | <jammcq> fgiraldeau: hey, I just figured out who you are :)
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| 15:43 | <fgiraldeau> jammcq: i forgive you :)
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| 15:43 | <jammcq> heh
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| 15:44 | vagrantc: fgiraldeau works for RevolutionLinux and he wants to help
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| 15:44 | <fgiraldeau> You're right, IRC is the right place to meet with others LTSP folks
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| 15:44 | <vagrantc> jammcq: wellllll... you know how strict we are about getting help.
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| 15:45 | * vagrantc smiles | |
| 15:45 | <jammcq> I met him in minneapolis last week, and he's pretty sharp
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| 15:45 | <vagrantc> fgiraldeau: so you've done some ltsp server clustering, eh?
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| 15:46 | <fgiraldeau> I you want to build a cluster for the unused computing power of your terminals, then OpenMosix "may" be a way to do it.
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| 15:46 | But if you want to build a cluster of application servers to aggregate computing power for desktop application of users
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| 15:46 | you must use something else.
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| 15:47 | <vagrantc> yeah, i'm not real savvy on the options...
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| 15:48 | <fgiraldeau> You have at least two choices : LVS or session loadbalancing.
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| 15:49 | The last one is realy simple : all that you have to do is to "choose" the application server.
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| 15:49 | <vagrantc> right
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| 15:49 | and share home directories across servers and such
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| 15:50 | but that's all relatively easy
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| 15:50 | <fgiraldeau> Should it be difficult?
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| 15:52 | * vagrantc doesn't really understand the question | |
| 15:52 | <fgiraldeau> The thing that is most difficult to handle is the integration with the current infrastructure
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| 15:56 | Clustering is not integrated out of the box for LTSP.
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| 15:56 | Not yet
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| 15:56 | <fgiraldeau> ghaleb: So, you want to make a project on LTSP clustering? What are you studying?
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| 15:57 | <vagrantc> well, load-balancing shouldn't be hard to add.
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| 15:57 | <fgiraldeau> I think so.
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| 15:57 | <sbalneav> Afternoon all
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| 15:57 | <vagrantc> evening sbalneav
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| 15:57 | <fgiraldeau> hi
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| 15:59 | <fgiraldeau> There is the loadbalancing, and also some other issues...
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| 16:00 | For example, with printing : you have a central cluster, then users have to figure which printer to use
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| 16:01 | Printer list must be filtered in some ways
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| 16:01 | <sbalneav> Sorry, I'm coming into the middle of this, you're wanting to filter printer lists?
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| 16:01 | <fgiraldeau> Configuration management of terminals with one lts.conf file is not pretty with you have, says 1500 terminals.
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| 16:02 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: talking about clutering/load balancing ltsp servers
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| 16:02 | <sbalneav> ah
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| 16:03 | <fgiraldeau> There are some component we could integrate from mille-xterm to LTSP : configurator, load balancer, libhideprinters, pxeconfig...
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| 16:06 | shure
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| 16:07 | <jammcq> fgiraldeau: I hope dinner was ok for you last friday
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| 16:07 | <jammcq> heh, guess not
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| 16:07 | <jammcq> ah, he's back
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| 16:07 | <fgiraldeau> shure jim, it was realy cool
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| 16:08 | * jammcq was still full on saturday | |
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| 16:08 | <fgiraldeau> We went to a brezilian steakhouse
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| 16:08 | I ate too much, it was sooo good.
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| 16:10 | It was a realy good idea
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| 16:11 | The next day, I went to the exposition of Picasso and American Art.
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| 16:11 | At the Walker Art Center.
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| 16:11 | That was fascinating
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| 16:12 | <fgiraldeau> See you later, I'm will eat a bit
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| 16:59 | <gloin> OK, next random question: has anyone here ever tried running the NFS traffic for an LTSP box through a WAFS device?
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| 17:00 | <Gad1> ogra: ping
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| 17:01 | sbalneav: you here?
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| 17:16 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: (00:58:31) Gad1: ogra: ping
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| 17:17 | <ogra> well, that timestamp doesnt help much (00:14 here :) ) but thanks
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| 17:33 | <sbalneav> ogra: hey, still around?
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| 17:33 | gadi: in and out
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| 17:34 | <ogra> sbalneav, on my way to bed, whats up ? found something ?
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| 17:34 | <sbalneav> No, not yet, but I'm pretty conviced it has something to do with X and pty handling.
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| 17:35 | Anyone in #ubuntu-devel who's brains I might be able to pick?
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| 17:35 | <ogra> you dont run the bash --login -c
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| 17:35 | did you try adding it ?
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| 17:35 | also env is missing from the command
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| 17:36 | <sbalneav> Which, on the start if the X session?
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| 17:36 | <ogra> yeah
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| 17:36 | <sbalneav> or on the login for the ssh for passwd negotiation?
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| 17:36 | OK, I can try adding that, see if it makes a difference.
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| 17:36 | <ogra> no the X session
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| 17:36 | check ldm1 code
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| 17:37 | <sbalneav> k, will do.
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| 17:37 | There should be an env, I'm using execv, which inherits the env from the parent.
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| 17:37 | <ogra> probably handing over the environent already suffices
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| 17:37 | ah, k
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| 17:38 | well, mdz had an execvp in th eold code and additionally added env to the client session, he might have had a reason :)
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| 17:39 | <sbalneav> I'll take a look
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| 17:39 | <ogra> in any case clling bash in advance should give is a pty
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| 17:40 | <ltsppbot> "ogra" pasted "ssh command" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/190
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| 17:40 | <sbalneav> yeah, he manually passes an env. Maybe the bash is the bit to look at. I'll give it a go.
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| 17:41 | thx
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| 17:41 | <ogra> we should also consider getting the kill -1 $PPID back to make sure there are no hanging processes left
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| 17:41 | but thats stuff for later :)
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| 17:41 | <sbalneav> other than that, how do you like where it's going?
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| 17:41 | <ogra> i *LOVE* it :)
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| 17:42 | <sbalneav> Perfect.
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| 17:42 | <ogra> we'll rock the world *again* with this release :)
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| 17:42 | <sbalneav> I'd love to get the KB thing fixed today.
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| 17:42 | It would make my best birthday present ever. :)
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| 17:42 | <ogra> i thnk every time it cant get better ....
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| 17:42 | * sbalneav is 39 today :) | |
| 17:42 | <ogra> MAN !
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| 17:42 | HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!!!
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| 17:42 | <sbalneav> Thankee
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| 17:42 | <ogra> how could i miss that
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| 17:43 | <sbalneav> Did you look at the rc.d stuff? I'm VERY pleased with that :)
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| 17:44 | Hey, what's moquists and trasks tool called again?
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| 17:44 | There's a guy in Edubuntu who needs it.
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| 17:44 | <ogra> wow, thats sexy
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| 17:45 | <jammcq> woooo hoooooooooooo
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| 17:45 | <ogra> where does ldm-script go ?
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| 17:45 | <sbalneav> /usr/share/ldm
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| 17:45 | <jammcq> 39 and holding
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| 17:45 | <sbalneav> until we can think of a better place
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| 17:46 | <Q-FUNK> happy birthday, sbalneav!
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| 17:46 | <ogra> on the client, right ?
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| 17:46 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 17:46 | <ogra> PERFECT !
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| 17:46 | * ogra humps scotts leg | |
| 17:46 | * jammcq remembers what we were doing last year on June 18th | |
| 17:46 | <ogra> thats sooo beautiful !
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| 17:46 | <sbalneav> 3 lines of shell replaces the entire delayed-mounter ick
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| 17:47 | <ogra> sbalneav, i was thinking about Pre-Postsession.d dirs
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| 17:47 | so we can add something similar for the sound settings
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| 17:47 | for the screensaver
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| 17:47 | or for power management
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| 17:47 | without having to poke around on the server side
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| 17:48 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 17:48 | cool, eh?
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| 17:48 | <ogra> yeah
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| 17:48 | jammcq and vagrantc didnt like it when i tried to convince them :)
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| 17:49 | <jammcq> didn't like what?
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| 17:49 | <ogra> they wanted a server side daemon
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| 17:49 | jammcq, doing *everything* a client needs from the client side
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| 17:49 | <sbalneav> brb, gotta get dinner on the boil
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| 17:49 | * jammcq vaguely remembers a discussion | |
| 17:49 | <ogra> without tweaks to /etc/X11/Xsession.d or server side daemons
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| 17:50 | <sbalneav> be on a bit later
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| 17:50 | * ogra wil be in bed then ... | |
| 17:50 | <ogra> enjoy your b-day :)
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| 17:51 | <john_s> Hello all, I have a winbind/LDAP question I am struggling with
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| 17:51 | does anyone feel guru-ish?
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| 17:51 | <jammcq> definately not me
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| 17:51 | * jammcq knows zero about that stuff | |
| 17:51 | <john_s> ;-)
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| 17:51 | <ogra> i guess cliebow dtrask or moquist are your best hope
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| 17:52 | <john_s> ok, I emailed dtrask
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| 17:52 | <jammcq> expect dtrask to be VERY busy this week
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| 17:52 | he's doing the foss conference in maine
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| 17:52 | <john_s> ok, is he doing his conference?
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| 17:52 | <ogra> http://majen.net/smbldap/
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| 17:52 | <john_s> Yah
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| 17:52 | <ogra> try that ^^
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| 17:52 | <john_s> I wish I could go
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| 17:53 | Well I looked at that, but I don't think it does what I want
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| 17:53 | I think I am looking for a winbind user migration tool
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| 17:53 | rather than set up a pdc type of tool
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| 17:53 | <ogra> ah, k
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| 17:54 | <cliebow> john_s:not sure what yer up to
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| 17:54 | <john_s> Hi
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| 17:54 | * ogra didnt touch windows this century yet | |
| 17:54 | <john_s> :-)
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| 17:54 | I am trying to scale my ltsp setup
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| 17:54 | I want two boxen to share auth
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| 17:54 | and I think i want to use ldap
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| 17:54 | <cliebow> Ho!\
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| 17:54 | <john_s> i have my machine joined to the domain
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| 17:55 | and users show up doing getent etc
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| 17:55 | infact its been working fine for several months
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| 17:55 | but now i wanna do more
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| 17:55 | <cliebow> getent > to a file
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| 17:55 | <john_s> ok
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| 17:55 | <cliebow> then perl hang a sec
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| 17:56 | <john_s> hanging
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| 17:56 | ..
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| 17:56 | <cliebow> dau ojn the phone
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| 18:05 | <john_s> cliebow: I'll have to talk to you another day since I have to leave work soon.
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| 18:05 | I look forward to picking your brain about this.
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| 18:06 | <cliebow> k
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| 18:06 | got my em,ail?
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| 18:06 | <john_s> no
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| 18:06 | did you just send it
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| 18:06 | ?
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| 18:06 | <cliebow> cliebow at ellsworthschools.og
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| 18:06 | <john_s> ok
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| 18:06 | Thanks
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| 18:07 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 18:07 | <john_s> I'll be bugging you!
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| 18:07 | :-)
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| 18:07 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 18:10 | <john_s> Ok, I just sent you an email. I look forward to reading your wisdom!
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| 18:10 | bye
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| 18:10 | <cliebow> uu
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| 18:53 | <gloin> hmm, definitely looks like network bottlenecking here
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| 18:53 | I can strace an app, and watch it wait while it opens all the files needed to execute the command
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| 18:53 | long waits
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| 18:53 | wonder why it's hanging up so badly
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