IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 27 October 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:27 | <cliebow> ltsp!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 01:30 | <highvoltage> whohoo
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| 01:44 | <pr0d> Hi all, im curios if i can make a wireless thin-client, Im not really bothered if its an ugly way of doing it. I would just like if my netbook could be the x server for my home made router. Im using ubuntu on all machines
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| 01:44 | any ideas would be hugely appreciated
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| 03:23 | <laurei> I just don't konw hwere to start for installing a network printer driver
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| 10:56 | <nubae> I have what should amount to a super super simple question.... I try to delete a user from either gui or terminal, and when i restart them up, users just reappear
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| 10:56 | then i thought, ah maybe shadow is screwing with, so i deleted the users from shadow
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| 10:57 | start up gui, still there
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| 10:58 | now my question.... where in GODS name is the user table really stored
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| 10:59 | <nubae> hey Gadi
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| 10:59 | I have what should amount to a super super simple question.... I try to delete a user from either gui or terminal, and when i restart them up, users just reappear
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| 10:59 | then i thought, ah maybe shadow is screwing with, so i deleted the users from shadow
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| 10:59 | start up gui, still there
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| 10:59 | now my question.... where in GODS name is the user table really stored
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| 11:01 | oh and i just deleted webmin too in case that had something to do eith it
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| 11:03 | thankk god... seems it was webmin interfering
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| 11:04 | now i know why people said dont install webmin :-) on an ltsp server
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| 11:04 | <Hyperbyte> nubae, sans the 'on an ltsp server'
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| 11:05 | <nubae> well works ok on non ltsp servers
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| 11:06 | at least i havent noticed problems
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| 11:07 | but yeah, my trust in it has just dwindled from 60% to about 5%
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| 11:54 | * khildin is away: I'm busy, or afk, or..... just don't disturb ok.... :P | |
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| 12:21 | <nubae> highvoltage, hey turns out the school has been paying canonical for support
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| 12:21 | yet they really have done nothing...
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| 12:22 | I didnt even know they supported LTSP
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> !seen gadi
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| 14:22 | <ltsp> vagrantc: gadi was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 20 hours, 3 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <Gadi> ;)
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> !seen alkisg
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| 14:23 | <ltsp> vagrantc: alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 22 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <alkisg> Or just "avahi-browse"
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| 14:23 | <ltsp> matrix3000: matrix3000 was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 21 hours, 11 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <matrix3000> network-manager wasn't installed
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| 14:50 | <nubae> wow... never ever use multiple methods of entering users
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| 14:51 | or u will pay for it in serious time
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| 14:51 | here they used command line, gui, and webmin
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| 14:52 | wow... I'm on my second day of unravelling this spaghetti mess
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| 14:54 | <Hyperbyte> nubae, there's no problem with editing users both via command line and GUI, as long as you use compatible tools that edit in the same backend.
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| 14:55 | <Hyperbyte> I believe Webmin keeps a seperate user administration, apart from /etc/passwd
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> webmin went unmaintained so many years for a reason
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| 15:01 | <nubae> believe me, Iǘe been doing this for 2 days now
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| 15:01 | if a user exists in /etc/passwd
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| 15:02 | and u try and delete it from the gui
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| 15:02 | the next time u start up the gui, the user is still there
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> nubae: what mess have you gotten yourself tangled with this time?
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| 15:02 | <nubae> the other way round works though
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| 15:03 | ie... delete a user from /etc/passwd and it reflects in the gui when one saves
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| 15:04 | its not my mess, its a mess im sorting out at a school that was using ltsp, then the ltsp connoseur left
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| 15:04 | they decided to install windows on the systems, but left the server intact
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| 15:04 | and I'm now undoing that mess
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| 15:05 | they were editing users in both webmin and gui
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| 15:05 | which really screwed things up
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| 15:06 | but a surrising thing was that if u have a user in /etc/passwd, and u open the gui, delete the user from the gui
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| 15:06 | then restart the gui, the user is still there
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| 15:06 | and hasnt been expunged from /etc/passwd either
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| 15:06 | this may be webmin mess though
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> sounds like a pretty buggy gui user manager
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| 15:06 | <Hyperbyte> "may be" ? :-)
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| 15:07 | <nubae> well... i thought it was pretty buggy yeah, but cant blame it really only on that since they used webmin
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| 15:07 | uninstalling webmin was the first step
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| 15:08 | now im manually fixing stuff by comparing /etc/group with /etc/passwd and the gui
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| 15:08 | oh... and the gui has stopped showing several fields altogether :-)
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| 15:08 | so yes, its buggy
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| 15:08 | very buggy
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| 15:09 | maybe on restart the gui will go back to normal when ive fixed everything
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| 15:09 | well see
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| 15:09 | but its an interesting test case
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| 15:09 | <Hyperbyte> It could also be that your nsswitch or pam config is borked.
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| 15:09 | <nubae> nah, then no logins would work
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| 15:10 | and they do if u put a new user in the gui
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| 15:10 | or fix it by hand
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| 15:10 | its not a pam thing for sure
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| 15:11 | its either buggy gui, or webmin discharge
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| 15:11 | either way i charge by the hour so
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| 15:11 | :p
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| 15:13 | is the user gui coded in python?
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| 15:13 | maybe i could take a look
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| 15:22 | <nubae> basically... it should be added somewhere to the ltsp guide that if u are cleaning your user database u should clean it from /etc/passwd, then save, and it will reflect in your gui
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| 15:22 | the reverse is _not_ true
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| 15:23 | <Hyperbyte> Why? That's not exactly an LTSP issue...
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| 15:23 | Probably better to report the bug to the maintainers of the GUI
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| 15:24 | And seriously doubt you can reproduce it on a new install, to be honest.
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| 15:24 | <nubae> the gui is for ltsp users isnt it?
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| 15:24 | bewt
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| 15:24 | bet i can
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| 15:24 | :p
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| 15:24 | <Hyperbyte> What I mean is - the GUI isn't part of the LTSP package. :)
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| 15:24 | <nubae> wger?
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| 15:24 | wager?
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| 15:24 | <Hyperbyte> And I think, if you really can, and report the bug with details... it'll be fixed quickly.
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| 15:25 | <nubae> hmmm
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| 15:25 | nothing is ever fixed quickly
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| 15:25 | unless one does it themselves
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| 15:26 | hyperbyte u running ubuntu right now?
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| 15:45 | <nubae> hey question... to mount the local discs on fat systems it asks for a root pass
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| 15:45 | do i need to create a root pass for the chroot?
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| 15:46 | or can they automount somehow with a lts flag?
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| 16:21 | <Hyperbyte> nubae, on my LTSP server, yes, Ubuntu 11.04
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| 21:24 | <cliebow> ANYONE AT THE sEAWALL YET?
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| 21:25 | damn cat
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| 21:44 | <kusznir> Hi all: I've still got my problems getting thin clients to boot, and I'm completely out of troubleshooting ideas.
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| 21:44 | My thin clients are successfully pxe'ing the kernel and initrd, and the kernel starts to load. At some point, the screen goes completely blank, and the client goes completely unresponsive and stays that way until hard-reset.
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| 21:46 | I've tried ubuntu 10:10 and 11:04 images,a nd both break. However, everything does work with my (very old) server running 9:11 or something like that.
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| 21:46 | I've turned off all the quiet options
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| 21:47 | The kernel spews a lot out as it boots, but then goes blank near the end still. I don't know how to turn that off. Terminals are DevonIT (eg, Atom 230/Intel video based)
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| 21:47 | <Lns> kusznir: I have to run, and don't know the rest of your troubleshooting background, but it sounds like a video driver issue. Try CTRL+ALT+F1, do you get a local TTY login? Try setting a root password in the chroot and log in to look at the X.org logs if that's the case.
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| 21:48 | <kusznir> Lns: tried that, ctrl-alt-* have no effect.
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| 21:48 | It really appears the terminals hard-lock at that point.
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| 21:48 | <Lns> wow
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| 21:48 | have you tried remote syslog to try and pinpoint the problem?
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| 21:48 | <kusznir> No. Do I need to do anyting explicit to enable remote syslog?
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| 21:49 | <Lns> an lts.conf option
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| 21:49 | it's been a while for me, but hopefully that will log something that the TC isn't showing you
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| 21:49 | Can you ping the TC when they supposedly hard-lock?
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| 21:50 | <kusznir> Haven't tried that either; I'll figure out what IP they're getting.
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| 21:50 | <Lns> if you can, try enabling sshd and maybe you can log in that way to examine logs.
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| 21:51 | Gotta run, but good luck!
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| 21:51 | <kusznir> thanks!
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| 21:53 | <kusznir> It never responds to ping.
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| 21:54 | so network doesn't load and thus it never remote-syslog's anything.
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| 21:59 | <cliebow> crap...i d think ogra would be on from Maine n a few hours..
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| 22:06 | <kusznir> I'm finding a post about my hardware from my old version that talks about the broke intel video drivers, but no bugfixes planned.
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| 22:06 | I'm not finding anything relevent to current versions, though.
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| 22:24 | <kusznir> Further updates: netbooting a desktop loads just fine.
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| 22:25 | Booting the thin client in question with a USB CDrom drive and an ubuntu 11.04 disk suffers the same problem (initially). After messing with options, acpi=off seems to make it boot.
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| 22:25 | That also shows me that the place at which the crash normally occurs is when the console font is applied.
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| 22:29 | <cliebow> mistik1...miss ya
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| 22:29 | <kusznir> However, I edited pxelinux.cfg/default and added "acpi=off" to the append line, and received no change.
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| 22:30 | <cliebow> kusznir, i am so far behind i cant begin to help..
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| 22:31 | <kusznir> Adding "nolapic" seems to have gotten me through that mess.
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| 22:32 | Now I have to undo enough of my debugging to actually get it to boot semi-normally :)
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| 22:32 | <cliebow> good grief..
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| 22:33 | <kusznir> I'm tempted to try and start over with a clean server install now, and just remember to add those two back in :)
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| 22:34 | <cliebow> a big part of the group will be together this weekend
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| 22:34 | you in ubuntu..or whaat??
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| 22:35 | <kusznir> Yea, ubuntu, but with some "wierdnesses"
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| 22:35 | <cliebow> i can ask the "floatng heads" to think about it..
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| 22:36 | <kusznir> My main server is a nice, rackmount machine running Xen. I run my own network enviornment, but its for a research lab, so there's more than just ltsp running on it...for example, I have a dedicated router/firewall that does dhcp. In any case, the main goal I'm trying to design now is: 1) a dedicated ltsp thin client server (eg, only handles thin client booting/os stuff; NOT running X), and 2 ubuntu VMs that are my main terminal servers that the
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| 22:36 | thin clients log users into.
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| 22:37 | All three VMs run on the Xen server (with about a half dozen other VMs necessary to make my network run)
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| 22:39 | <cliebow> i ve been servicing macbochool went one to one macoks for my job lately since my s
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| 22:43 | <kusznir> Is there any special options required to enable dual-head on a thin client?
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| 22:44 | <cliebow> you have to ping ogra..or gadi..i am way way behind
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| 23:13 | <kusznir> wow...ltsp docs are pretty bad..."upstream" docs are often covering ltsp 4.2 code instead of the current 5.x release.
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