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05:17 | <budgee> Helloooo!
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05:17 | Anyone awake!?
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05:17 | jam!?
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05:22 | <str4nd> noo
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05:29 | <budgee> str4nd: noo? you talking in your sleep?
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05:32 | <str4nd> budgee: yes
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05:32 | i sleep now
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06:59 | <budgee> hero?
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08:56 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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09:18 | <jammcq> hola
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09:27 | <sbalneav> Hey hey
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09:35 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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09:36 | <efra> Morning everybody
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09:45 | <Mineque__> hello
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11:12 | <vagrantc> ogra: i have no idea what to do to get the ltspfs bzr branch building.
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11:12 | ogra: so, no, i didn't run automake or anything. i just did "debuild"
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11:55 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hey! don't know if you saw my email, i got ltspfs mostly working with etch :)
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11:55 | <sbalneav> Oh! Awesome!!!
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11:56 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: and i have some patches for you
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11:56 | <sbalneav> I got my etch box updated last night, and fooled around with some of the udes stuff
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11:56 | sure! Send!
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11:56 | <vagrantc> udes?
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11:56 | <sbalneav> err dev
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11:56 | udev
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11:56 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: you're subscribed to ltsp-developer ?
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11:56 | <sbalneav> yeah, but I haven't had time to look there for about 2 weeks :)
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11:57 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ah, well, there's a message in there with the subject "ltspfs upstream"
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11:57 | <sbalneav> OK, looking now.
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11:58 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltspfs/vagrant-ltspfs/
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11:58 | <sbalneav> ok
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11:58 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: that's my bzr branch with patches for upstream.
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11:58 | <sbalneav> got it.
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11:58 | I'll diff it today, see what you fixed up.
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11:58 | <vagrantc> i think all of those should be safe to merge.
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11:58 | there's also some things worth considering in my packaging branch, but some are debian-specific.
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11:59 | <sbalneav> ok
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11:59 | <vagrantc> i'm thinking it would be better to have the udev rule call a wrapper script, rather than *_fstab_entry directly.
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12:00 | <sbalneav> We're just about to do a systems shutdown to grab data out of our database, and get it to our developers, so I won't be able to look at it until I get home today, but, I should be home by 4:00 or so.
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12:00 | sure.
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12:00 | <vagrantc> ok. good luck :)
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12:00 | <sbalneav> Argh. I'll need it. :)
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12:01 | <vagrantc> i think the only thing holding me back at this point is getting a more perfect udev rule.
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12:02 | <Gadi> vagrantc: you thinking something withh "add" or "remove" as an argument?
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12:02 | <vagrantc> Gadi: yeah.
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12:02 | <Gadi> yeah, I thought the same
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12:02 | <vagrantc> and, at least for debian policy compliance, we should stick it in /etc
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12:03 | (just so we can still have all the iles there when the package is removed, but not purged)
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12:03 | <Gadi> BTW< I put together a mechanism for automounting drives with autofs+udev (for non XDMCP/ldm screen scripts)
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12:03 | <vagrantc> and then properly exit out if ltspfsd isn't actually installed.
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12:03 | <Gadi> just need to put it thru some testing
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12:03 | <vagrantc> Gadi: cool! :)
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12:04 | <vanya> just curious: is xorg 7.x support planned for ltsp?..
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12:04 | <Gadi> the only design thing I am debating over is whether to use /var/run/drives or have a separate /var/run/autodrives to be safe
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12:04 | <vagrantc> vanya: it will be in the debian/etch version
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12:04 | Gadi: i was thinking it should be /var/run/ltspfs/drives, myself.
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12:05 | "drives" might be a little generic.
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12:05 | <Gadi> ah. that certainly would make things clearer
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12:05 | * vagrantc wonders if /var/run is really where it belongs ... | |
12:05 | <vanya> vagrantc, and what about other distros?.. I am using Gentoo
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12:05 | <Gadi> heh, that thought crossed my mind, too
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12:05 | <vagrantc> vanya: well, with LTSP 5.0, what ever your distro is using will be what the LTSP uses.
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12:06 | but i'm glad to see it out of /tmp :)
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12:06 | <Gadi> well, /media atm is ro
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12:06 | presumably by design
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12:06 | of course, when you look at how many tmpfs mounts there are, it cant be for lack of trying! ;)
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12:07 | <vagrantc> mounting directly into media seems like it would be a better idea ...
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12:07 | <vanya> so I think it will take a long time after somebody adopts this in Gentoo.. sad :(
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12:07 | <vagrantc> Gadi: well, you can easily add it to the list
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12:07 | <Gadi> right
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12:07 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: The problem with that is, you need to make /media writable by users.
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12:07 | <vagrantc> vanya: there are people working on it. dberkholz, i know. i'm sure they would appreciate help.
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12:07 | <vanya> I just have problems with my video card support
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12:07 | <Gadi> doesnt LSB have an opinion?
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12:07 | <sbalneav> so therefore, it could become a "second home dir", with users putting things in root
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12:07 | <Gadi> seems most put in media
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12:08 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: not on the thin-client side...
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12:08 | <sbalneav> for people who have separate /tmp partitions, and /home partitions, and don't want users actually writing in / this is a proble,
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12:08 | oh, right, thin client side.
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12:08 | sure, there it doesn't matter.
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12:08 | argh, one of my users won't log off :(
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12:09 | <vagrantc> and why can't we mount it in ~/.ltspfs-mounts/usbdisk-sda4 ?
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12:09 | why /tmp ?
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12:09 | though skipping the bind-mount part altogether would be nice.
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12:10 | it will be impossible to keep ltspfs working in etch :(
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12:10 | * vagrantc wants to change so many things | |
12:10 | <vagrantc> i suspect i'll want people to use a backported ltsp, so maybe it's not much of a problem.
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12:12 | * vagrantc stares at the udev rules, hoping by magic something will make itself obvious | |
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12:12 | <Gadi> vagrantc: adding an add/remove arg to the rule is not hard
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12:13 | <vagrantc> ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", ENV{ID_FS_TYPE}=="?*", RUN+="add_fstab_entry %k $ENV{ID_FS_TYPE}"
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12:13 | <Gadi> what the staring?
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12:13 | <vagrantc> the ENV stuff isn't working for me.
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12:13 | so i just dropped it all and hard-coded "auto"
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12:13 | <Gadi> does udev not set and ENV var in debian ?
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12:14 | maybe the udev versions are different
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12:14 | <vagrantc> which works, although partitions that aren't a recognized filesystem type get ghost mounts that aren't actually on the device
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12:14 | <Gadi> ah
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12:14 | <vagrantc> this works: ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", RUN+="add_fstab_entry %k auto"
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12:14 | the above doesn't.
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12:14 | <Gadi> do you have vol_id?
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12:14 | <vagrantc> a command?
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12:14 | <Gadi> in /lib/udev/
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12:14 | yeah
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12:15 | * vagrantc looks | |
12:15 | <vagrantc> yes
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12:16 | <Gadi> hmm
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12:16 | <vagrantc> Gadi: what would i do with it?
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12:16 | <Gadi> sudo /lib/udev/vol_id /dev/sda1
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12:16 | or some such
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12:16 | a device with a filesystem
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12:16 | thats what retrieves ID_FS_TYPE
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12:16 | AFAIK
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12:17 | <vagrantc> so i could maybe call it manually?
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12:17 | <Gadi> perhaps add a rule to call it manually and export as ENV vars
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12:17 | or something
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12:18 | or call it manually in the script
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12:18 | <vagrantc> and just how would i go about that?
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12:18 | i could do the manual call from the script, at least.
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12:18 | <Gadi> hmm, well the udev rule is using it as a conditional
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12:18 | to determine whether to run the script
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12:19 | <vagrantc> right
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12:19 | <Gadi> I sppose you could add a line to the top of the script that....
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12:19 | <vagrantc> right ...
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12:19 | <Gadi> exits if the ID_FS_TYPE is empty
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12:19 | <vagrantc> just to get *somehing* working.
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12:20 | <Gadi> right
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12:20 | its equivalent
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12:20 | <vagrantc> then we can figure out how to do it better.
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12:20 | <Gadi> right
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12:20 | <Gadi> but, it should be most like the ubuntu way
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12:21 | <vagrantc> i need to set up an ubuntu xen environment or soemthing.
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12:22 | <Gadi> ah...
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12:22 | perhaps a rule to: IMPORT{program}="vol_id --export"
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12:23 | <vagrantc> that does happen ...
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12:23 | at least, i think it happens
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12:23 | <Gadi> er
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12:23 | need the dev
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12:23 | <vagrantc> z20_persistent.rules:IMPORT{program}="vol_id --export $tempnode"
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12:23 | ah.
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12:23 | <Gadi> right. that's what I was looking at
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12:24 | as an example
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12:26 | <gigabytes> hello
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12:26 | what news about ltsp?
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12:26 | :D
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12:27 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i added: IMPORT{program}="vol_id --export %k"
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12:27 | <vagrantc> Gadi: and then put back the same line as on ubuntu ... no luck.
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12:28 | <Gadi> hmm
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12:28 | <vagrantc> unless the device isn't yet created ...
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12:28 | <Gadi> make sure you use the right number of ]']s
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12:29 | er, '='s
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12:29 | <Gadi> thats what i meant
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12:29 | <vagrantc> heh.
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12:29 | IMPORT{program}="vol_id --export %k"
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12:29 | ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", ENV{ID_FS_TYPE}=="?*", RUN+="add_fstab_entry %k $ENV{ID_FS_TYPE}"
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12:29 | is what i'm using.
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12:30 | is the ENV{ID_FS_TYPE}=="?*" just checking for a non-null value?
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12:30 | <Gadi> I believe so
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12:31 | seems a bit superfluous
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12:31 | better in the script
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12:31 | <vagrantc> well, it's probably more efficient to not spawn a shell.
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12:31 | * Gadi votes for an exit line in script if FS_TYPE is null | |
12:31 | <vagrantc> i'll try in the script
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12:32 | <Gadi> geesh - we get so worried about extra millisecond shells....
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12:32 | * vagrantc seems to recall gadi complaining a lot about boot times | |
12:33 | <Gadi> :P
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12:33 | alright. we'll clock the shell speed on a local device insertion against loading ldm
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12:33 | :)
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12:34 | <vagrantc> i have long dreamed of providing a faster but compatible version of ldm. sdm just isn't pretty enough for most users...
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12:35 | it worked!
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12:35 | <Gadi> sweet
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12:35 | which combo?
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12:35 | <vagrantc> i just put a check for ID_FS_TYPE in the script.
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12:35 | <mrlinux> it apperars that i can only connect to the internet if i have my firefox open eg. i can't download packages in synaptic but i can when firefox is open
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12:36 | why is that
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12:36 | <vagrantc> mrlinux: do you have an http proxy set up?
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12:36 | Gadi: thanks for your help!
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12:36 | <mrlinux> nope no proxy
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12:37 | <Gadi> vagrantc: and that was the only mod?
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12:38 | <vagrantc> Gadi: well, i had to drop the ENV stuff from the udev rule.
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12:38 | <Gadi> did you change the udev rule at all?
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12:38 | ah
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12:38 | <mrlinux> and now i cant even open my file browser it kills the window right off
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12:38 | <Gadi> thought so
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12:38 | all those extra shells....
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12:39 | * vagrantc prepares more patches for scotty | |
12:40 | <vagrantc> how would udev handle if i exited with an unclean mount ...
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12:40 | <Gadi> so, I have an academic theory that needs testing wrt ldm speed
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12:40 | <vagrantc> er... "exit 1" vs. "exit 0"
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12:40 | <Gadi> I think its slow because of all the pieces loading over NFS
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12:40 | Im thinking of storing the theme as a tarball, copy to temp, unpack, and then load
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12:40 | what dya reckon?
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12:40 | <vagrantc> that would certainly test the speed.
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12:41 | you could also just install it on a local hard drive
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12:41 | <Gadi> not sure if its the images in the theme or also the glade files
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12:41 | may have to try same with glade and gtk
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12:41 | true
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12:42 | <vagrantc> for some reason, it failed to remove the fstab entry when i removed my usb stick :(
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12:43 | but it removed the other entry (this stick has several partitions)
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12:45 | it never seems to remove my sda4 from fstab ... but it always catches sda1
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12:45 | * vagrantc wonders what having multiple entries in fstab does. | |
12:46 | <vagrantc> any ideas weather ltspfs will work across NAT ?
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12:46 | using ldm?
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12:46 | * vagrantc tries | |
12:46 | <mrlinux> naultlis fails it wont load
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12:46 | help
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12:48 | <Gadi> vagrantc: should work. Its an ssh tunnel
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12:48 | <vagrantc> mrlinux: i don't really use nautilus, sorry.
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12:49 | Gadi: i think only part of it goes through the tunnel ...
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12:49 | Gadi: cause it didn't work.
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12:49 | <Gadi> vagrantc: run vol_id on the partition
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12:49 | <mrlinux> i am using edubuntu
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12:49 | <vagrantc> Gadi: it's vfat
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12:49 | Gadi: nothing weird comes up.
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12:50 | strangely, it seemed to work fine yesterday when i had hard-coded them all to mount with filesystem "auto"
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12:50 | and the remove code doesn't even use the filesystem type, just the device name
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12:51 | mrlinux: it sounds like your problems are more than LTSP ... maybe try the edubuntu support channel(s) ?
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12:52 | * vagrantc tries without NAT | |
12:52 | <jammcq> hey, who knows of a GUI manpage reader?
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12:52 | <Gadi> apt-cache
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12:52 | <jammcq> tried that
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12:52 | he doesn't know
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12:53 | <vagrantc> xman ?
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12:53 | * vagrantc cringes | |
12:53 | <jammcq> xman exists on my system, but doens't seem to work
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12:53 | <Gadi> gmanedit
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12:53 | though thats an editor
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12:53 | <vagrantc> that's a manpage editor
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12:54 | <Gadi> but, ya gotta view to edit, right?
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12:54 | <vagrantc> i bet the gnome or KDE help systems have some sort of manpage interface
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12:54 | <vagrantc> Gadi: yes, but you also view it in the .roff format :P
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12:55 | i know i've seem GUI manpage viewers
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12:55 | <Gadi> there's always man2html + firefox
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12:55 | <jammcq> I used to see manpage viewers but not so much anymore
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12:56 | <vagrantc> it's too old-school.
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12:56 | gnome probably disabled it so as not to scare their users with arcane information.
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12:57 | <Gadi> ah, gman
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12:57 | <jammcq> bash: gman: command not found
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12:57 | <Gadi> apt-get install gman
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12:57 | <vagrantc> and don't forget tkman!
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12:58 | * vagrantc cringes some more | |
12:58 | <jammcq> hmm, it seems that 'yelp' replaces 'gman'
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12:59 | <Gadi> install gv for added pleasure
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12:59 | <jammcq> I use gv all the time
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12:59 | * jammcq writes postscript in his spare time | |
12:59 | <Gadi> are you on dapper or edgy?
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12:59 | or other?
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13:00 | <jammcq> dapper
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13:00 | <Gadi> ah, there ya go
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13:00 | <jammcq> looks like yelp does a nice job
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13:00 | <Gadi> yelp has a section on man pages
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13:01 | bbiab
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13:02 | <vagrantc> Gadi: alright, well... thanks for your help! i now have ltspfs working reasonably well with etch :)
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13:21 | <Gadi> heh, so just installing ldm and running it from a vt didnt seem to be the best move out of the gate
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13:22 | endless spawning loop from hell
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13:32 | <vagrantc> Gadi: you probably need to set some environment variables.
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13:33 | <Gadi> hmm.. prolly
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13:35 | <vagrantc> SERVER probably
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13:35 | SERVER=127.0.0.1 ldm
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13:35 | :)
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13:38 | <Gadi> nope
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13:38 | prolly needs more
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13:38 | grr
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13:39 | <Gadi> prolly need ltsp-client
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13:39 | * vagrantc ran it without ltsp-client in the past | |
13:43 | <Gadi> vagrantc: do you know what package includes /usr/lib/ltsp/python ?
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13:43 | <vagrantc> Gadi: it was simply there to support debian/sarge backports. it's not used by anything else.
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13:44 | <Gadi> ah
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13:44 | <vagrantc> we should remove it, as i don't think anyone's going to actually attempt to backport to sarge at this point.
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13:46 | * Gadi thinks it is gnomecanvas having trouble.... | |
13:46 | <Gadi> hmmm
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13:47 | draws a square and then barfs
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13:50 | <vagrantc> ogra: what commands do i have to run in order to get ltspfs to build from bzr?!
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13:53 | <vagrantc> ogra: it complains that AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE: command not found
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13:53 | i ran autoconf and automake
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14:06 | autoconf spits out some errors.
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14:07 | package builds fine from the ltspfs-0.4.3.orig.tar.gz from ubuntu ...
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14:07 | i guess i'll just use dpatch or quilt and implement the patches that way ...
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14:08 | <Gadi> which little old lady programmer wrote quilt?
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14:08 | man, this used to be such a manly field
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14:10 | <vagrantc> well, looking at the AUTHORS, i hardly think it's a little old lady. though not sure with Gerd Knorr ...
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14:10 | <Gadi> heh. say, vagrantc, does ldm run on a hard drive for you?
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14:10 | do you have a way to check?
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14:10 | * vagrantc contemplates | |
14:10 | <Gadi> (before I give up this pursuit)
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14:11 | be careful
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14:11 | I need to ssh from another box to kill the loop
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14:11 | so, dont do it unless you're well networked ;)
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14:15 | * vagrantc gives up | |
14:15 | <vagrantc> i tried just running it from within an LTSP chroot, but no luck.
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14:15 | but i think that's because i couldn't get X to work in the chroot more than problems with ldm
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14:16 | <Gadi> no worries
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14:16 | thx anyway
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14:44 | <mrlinux> i need help
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14:45 | who knows alot about switches
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14:46 | <mrlinux> heres the situation when i try to boot my clients with a HUB they boot right up. however when i try to boot from a SWITCH it gives me errors
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14:48 | <vagrantc> you might need to reset the switch to factory defaults.
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14:48 | <mrlinux> the errors are PXE-E32: TFTP open time out PXE-E32 TFTP open time out
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14:48 | <vagrantc> does this switch work for regular machines?
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14:48 | <vagrantc> i.e. not ltsp clients?
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14:49 | <mrlinux> yes
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14:50 | <mrlinux> does anyone else have any ideas
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14:52 | vagrantc, but when i load with a hub it doesn't show TFTP but when with switch it shows TFTP i know that my udp port 69 is open to accept the TFTP so i am stumped
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14:53 | <jammcq> mrlinux: Can you turn off Spanning-tree on the switch?
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14:53 | <mrlinux> what is spanning tree
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14:54 | it is an unmanaged switch
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14:54 | a dlink DSS-5+
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14:54 | <jammcq> search wikipedia for a full description. It's basically a protocol in the switch for detecting and correcting network loops
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14:54 | ah, the old DSS-5+. is it like 2000 degrees right now?
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14:54 | those suckers run hot
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14:55 | <mrlinux> i'll check
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14:56 | no it's cool and calm
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14:57 | <jammcq> hmm, mine always ran hot
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14:57 | anyway, it's prolly not spanning tree then
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14:57 | have you tried a different port on the switch?
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14:57 | <mrlinux> yes
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14:57 | personaly i think the switch is messed
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14:57 | <jammcq> could just be a negotiation problem between your nick and your switch
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14:57 | can you try a different cable?
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14:58 | <mrlinux> give me 2 mins
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14:59 | ok trying server with new cable
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15:00 | now i get a no dhcp or bootp offers recived
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15:05 | so what do u think i should do
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15:06 | <jammcq> well, changing the cable altered the problem. SO, change the cable again
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15:07 | <mrlinux> ok
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15:08 | rebooting as we speak
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15:09 | i have a question why is it trying to go through TFTP when before on a HUB it wasnt
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15:10 | tftp time out agian
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15:10 | <jammcq> did you say with a HUB it worked?
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15:10 | <mrlinux> yes
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15:10 | <jammcq> then it WAS using tftp
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15:10 | <mrlinux> no not using
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15:10 | <Megant_> gf
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15:10 | o_O
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15:10 | <jammcq> if it worked, it was using TFTP
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15:10 | no doubt about it
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15:11 | <Megant_> nothing..
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15:11 | <jammcq> LTSP doesn't work at all, without tftp
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15:11 | <mrlinux> but i never saw any tftp read outs on my screen until i went to a switch
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15:12 | <jammcq> cuz it was working fine
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15:12 | when things are working correctly, it happens so fast, you can't see it
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15:12 | when there's problems, you'll see it
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15:12 | <mrlinux> so how do i fix my problem
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15:12 | <jammcq> well, seems you have a networking issue. Can you try a different switch?
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15:13 | <mrlinux> ok this will be the 3rd one
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15:13 | <jammcq> 3rd switch?
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15:13 | another DSS-5 ?
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15:14 | <mrlinux> this is the second switch i have tried both DSS-5+
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15:15 | the hub that works is a DE-809TP
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15:15 | <mrlinux> dlink
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15:17 | <mrlinux> afk
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15:23 | <mrlinux> back
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15:25 | i am not allowed to use another switch because of my teacher
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15:25 | he won't allow me
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15:26 | this is a school assignment
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15:27 | any other suggestions
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15:27 | <jammcq> how many network interfaces in the server?
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15:27 | <mrlinux> 2
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15:27 | <jammcq> are they both plugged in ?
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15:28 | <mrlinux> yes both eth0 and eth1
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15:28 | <jammcq> plugged into what?
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15:28 | what is eth0 plugged into ?
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15:29 | <mrlinux> eth0 is pluged into my schools network eth1 is plugged into the switch
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15:29 | <jammcq> what is the IP address of eth0 ?
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15:29 | <mrlinux> 172.x.x.x
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15:29 | <jammcq> and what is eth1 ?
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15:29 | <mrlinux> 192.168.0.254
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15:30 | <jammcq> what else is connected to the switch ?
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15:30 | <mrlinux> just the server and the client
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15:36 | any other thoughts
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15:49 | <cliebow> Ho!!
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15:49 | <cliebow> J45p3r
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15:49 | !
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15:49 | <mrlinux> ttyl later
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16:17 | <cliebow> moquist: you get my mail?
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16:18 | moquist: you had me install python-crypto..that fixed it
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16:32 | <moquist> cliebow: yep; got it.
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16:32 | I've missed a couple of important emails, so I'm cleaning out my inbox. I'm down to 110...
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20:27 | <moquist> /wi2
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20:27 | so there.
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21:31 | <jammcq> hey
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