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| 17:54 | <Q-FUNK> on ubuntu/precise, are we still supposed to use the 3 inetd.conf entries for anything?
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| 17:59 | log entries would suggest that NBD shares are used for everything and configured directly within NBD rather than via wrappers.
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| 18:25 | <alkisg> Q-FUNK: only ldminfod in inetd.conf
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| 18:25 | Anything else is a bug that should be reported
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| 18:26 | <Q-FUNK> alkisg: thanks. I guess that the two others need to be commented out by some postinst script then
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| 18:26 | <alkisg> Yeah it's possible that the postinst doesn't do well with upgrades...
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| 18:26 | <Q-FUNK> here, I've got those left:
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| 18:26 | 9571 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/ldminfod
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| 18:26 | 9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
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| 18:26 | 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 18:28 | <alkisg> We should also convert ldminfod to a standalone daemon and stop depending on inetd completely... but I don't think there's time for that for precise
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| 18:31 | <Q-FUNK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/946537
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| 18:32 | it would be desirable, yes, and to have that daemon configured to only bind the LTSP interface.
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| 18:32 | <alkisg> Many people do not have an "ltsp interface", but a single nic
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| 18:33 | <alkisg> But accepting connections only from localnet should be easy to do by default
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| 18:34 | <Q-FUNK> that's what I meant.
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| 18:34 | relying upon inetd and tcp wrappers is never as reliable as binding precise interfaces, anyhow.
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| 18:37 | <alkisg> Maybe creating 2 packages would be a way... one package for dual nic installations, and one for single-nic installations
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| 18:37 | Or a very clever postinst that covers all cases
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| 18:45 | <alkisg> komunista: we're going to release a new epoptes version very soon, there are 6 untraslated messages if you like to translate them:
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| 18:45 | https://translations.launchpad.net/epoptes/trunk/+pots/epoptes/sk/+translate?start=0&batch=10&show=untranslated&field.alternative_language=&field.alternative_language-empty-marker=1&old_show=all
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| 18:46 | <komunista> alkisg: thanks, I take look to it :-)
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| 18:47 | alkisg: in slovak translation is my email address (in PO file header), be free post mail to me in future, if you want
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| 18:50 | <alkisg> komunista: I tried to come up with a mailing scheme, but unfortunately launchpad strips the translator emails, so it's not possible
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| 18:51 | Maybe a mailing list or RSS feeds from the site would be viable options...
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| 18:53 | <komunista> I know, but when I verified that, the last translator field is removed, I see that my email remains in PO header of the downloaded file ;-)
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| 18:54 | it is because I initially translated it offline and this line was added by gtranslator as comment, not as PO header filed
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| 18:55 | alkisg: slovak translation is done :-)
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| 18:56 | <alkisg> komunista: nice, I'll wait for launchpad to commit the changes before releasing 0.4.4
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| 18:56 | <komunista> alkisg: ML can be good solution for me
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| 18:56 | <alkisg> (==lots of stability improvements, and an option to display real user names instead of unix usernames)
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| 19:08 | <alkisg> Hey vagrantc, epoptes is ready for release :)
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| 19:09 | <vagrantc> oh fun!
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| 19:09 | maybe i'll have time to test today- freegeek is hosting the ubuntu global jam today, so my attention is somewhat distracted
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| 19:10 | <alkisg> I'm only waiting for launchpad to commit an updated translation, and I'll commit the changelog
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| 19:10 | So no code changes to do, if you want you can start testing...
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| 19:13 | <vagrantc> i'll try and get it out today or maybe tomorrow at the latest
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| 19:13 | <alkisg> np, no hurries, whenever you have time
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| 19:14 | <vagrantc> if i don't get it done then, we have to wait till friday...
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| 19:17 | <muppis> Any one got good experience with Mobility Radeon 9200 ?
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| 19:22 | alkisg, now I got real reason to try boot to ltsp from hdd. Founded a workingn laptop from recycling centre, but got only 512 RAM.
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> alkisg: did you want to edit debian/changelog with the updates since the previous version? or you want me to take that on?
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| 19:23 | <alkisg> muppis: why is that a reason? I don't think I'd use ltsp for only a couple of clients...
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> i didn't really do any of the work, other than testing it
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| 19:24 | <muppis> alkisg, even I use it only by myself, I've founded easier to maintain it than multiple standalones.
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| 19:24 | <alkisg> vagrantc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/868757/ - I'm only waiting for launchpad to commit the slovak translation before tagging... :-/
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| 19:25 | muppis: and why is the client ram a reason to install locally? I would install ltsp-client over local OS installations only for fat clients with lame local network...
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| 19:28 | <muppis> alkisg, I think it's jsut curiosity to get it working.
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| 19:28 | <vagrantc> alkisg: bepotes, eh? :)
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| 19:30 | wonder what build-time testinng we can do with epoptes...
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| 19:30 | <alkisg> Hehe, bad copy/paste, not in the actual file
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| 19:31 | I think it's too early for unit testing, build time testing etc
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| 19:31 | I think we first need to get most of the features we want ready (still at less than 50%), then rewrite some parts in a more "professional" way, and finally do all the fancy staff like unit testing
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| 19:32 | E.g. video multicasting will be hard but it's necessary for 100mbps networks
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| 19:34 | <vagrantc> even some simple tests might catch regressions, even if we can't test everything
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| 19:40 | alkisg: should update debian/copyright with new years, and a new source-format url.
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| 19:42 | update debian/copyright: Format: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/
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| 19:42 | and make sure we comply with it
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| 19:42 | <alkisg> vagrantc: uhh... ok /me reads that, but if you wanna do it, don't let me stand in your way... :D
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| 19:43 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'll check for compliance if you update the years :)
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| 19:43 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 19:43 | <alkisg> What new source-format url?
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| 19:43 | Not that one, the whole file, right? Source: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/files
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| 19:43 | <vagrantc> Format:
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| 19:43 | should point to the current copyright-format/1.0
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| 19:44 | mentioned above
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| 19:44 | <alkisg> ty
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| 19:45 | <vagrantc> i don't think any of my changes are really copyrightable, so my years shouldn't need an update
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| 19:48 | <alkisg> Pushed
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| 19:48 | <vagrantc> at a quick glace, i think we're compliant with the format 1.0
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| 19:48 | <alkisg> From launchpad I see that sometimes the translations come the next day, so I don't think it's worth waiting for only 6 strings, they can be published in a later version
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| 19:49 | So I can commit debian/changelog whenever you want me to
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| 19:50 | <vagrantc> alkisg: so you're expecting just a few string translations?
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| 19:50 | <alkisg> Yes, 6 sloval translated strings
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| 19:50 | *slovak
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| 19:51 | So when you're done testing tell me to commit the changelog, no need to wait for them
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| 20:09 | <alkisg> Hmm I got two minor problems, committing fixes...
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| 20:11 | <vagrantc> alkisg: stop the presses? :)
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| 20:11 | <alkisg> Haha
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| 20:12 | <vagrantc> i'm just getting my build environment updated
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| 20:13 | <alkisg> The fun thing now is that we're sending the client shell functions from a file located on the server (via the openssl socket of course) so there's no need for frequent client updates anymore... :D
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| 20:16 | <vagrantc> alkisg: so rev 217 should be available
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| 20:16 | <alkisg> vagrantc: should I push the changelog?
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| 20:38 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i haven't tested yet, it'd be nice to tag a fully updated changelog
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| 20:39 | alkisg: you could push the changelog with UNRELEASED, and i can update it and tag and upload, alternately.
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| 20:40 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I think it's easier if you commit it when you're ready... http://paste.debian.net/158554/
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| 20:40 | <vagrantc> alkisg: works for me.
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| 20:40 | <alkisg> Thank you!
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| 20:40 | <vagrantc> alkisg: then i can mangle it if i need to
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| 20:40 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 20:41 | <vagrantc> doh. gotta review for standards-version updates.
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| 21:18 | <vagrantc> alkisg: whoah. epoptes-client pulls in a lot of deps/recommends on sid.
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| 21:19 | alkisg: ah, zenity.
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| 21:19 | <alkisg> vagrantc: any alternative that we could use in your setup?
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| 21:19 | Now that we split the shell functions in a separate file, it should be easy to support multiple different programs...
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| 21:20 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'm just going to go with this for now, but it would be good to explore a less recommend-heavy app in the future.
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| 21:21 | <alkisg> The first idea was to go with the gnome defaults, so that we don't almost anything additional,
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| 21:22 | but now that we also support kde, xfce, lxde etc yeah it makes sense to go with the lightest dependency and support alternative ones too
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| 21:22 | <vagrantc> alkisg: sure :)
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| 21:23 | man. having lts.conf from the tftp dir keeps throwing me off.
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| 21:23 | so used to just editing /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 21:24 | and weirded out when configurations are saved between installs.
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| 21:24 | * alkisg can't wait for the day when lts.conf will be moved to /etc/ltsp/configuration-daemon.d :D | |
| 21:27 | <vagrantc> hah
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| 21:27 | alkisg: seems like something we could implement in addition to lts.conf and just hook into the appropriate places.
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| 21:28 | it could do what the tftp lts.conf hook does, but pulls it from the server.
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| 21:28 | so the server generates lts.conf as needed.
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| 21:28 | <alkisg> I was thinking of something similar to the ltsp-cluster boot phases
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| 21:29 | one call from the initramfs, one from init-ltsp.d, one from each screen script, on login, on logout, on shutdown...
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| 21:29 | And to offer some client info to the server too, for bookeeping
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| 21:31 | <vagrantc> sounds reasonable.
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| 21:35 | hrm. couldn't find a suitable pixmap format with broadcast screen
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| 21:35 | i'll try with colordepth 16... think i've seen this before
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| 21:40 | <alkisg> ouch, i thought that -24to32 solved that
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| 21:40 | It's late here though, thanks + good night
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| 22:30 | <vagrantc> doh. didn't use mkdst, so the version still reports as 0.4.3 ... meh.
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| 22:30 | pushing anyways
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| 22:32 | uploaded epoptes to debian :)
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