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Channel log from 10 October 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:39 | <XTaran> Hi!
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| 03:40 | Anyone already got his fingers on a DM&P eBox2300SX or NorhTec MicroClient JrSX? Are they really faster than the eBox2300/MicroClient Jr.?
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| 07:09 | <pablo_> Hi ive installed ltsp5 in ubuntu 7.10 following the ubuntu quick install guide and my terminals booting process end up whit no X and these errors in the console "OIL: error liboiltest.c 359: oil_test_check_impl(): imgal instruction in lift_add_mult_shifht_i386_mmx in: module_detect.c : failed to detect any sound hardware module.c: failed to load module ""module_detect (argument "") e:main.c module load fail
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| 07:12 | <ogra> pablo_, what kind of HW is that ?
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| 07:12 | (graphics and soundcard specifically)
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| 07:16 | looks like the kernel finds no module for your card here
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| 07:20 | <pablo_> ogra: my terminals have no sound card installed
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| 07:20 | <ogra> pablo_, ah
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| 07:20 | <pablo_> ogra: ho do i tell ltsp no to use sound?
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| 07:20 | <ogra> pablo_, create /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 07:20 | add in_
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| 07:20 | [default]
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| 07:20 | SOUND=False
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| 07:21 | these two lines
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| 07:21 | it gets read on boot
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| 07:21 | so reboot the client and see
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| 07:22 | <pablo_> ok lest see
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| 07:32 | <pablo_> ogra: ok now there are no error in the console but no X :(
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| 07:32 | <ogra> what kind of graphics card ?
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| 07:34 | (and which versions of the ltsp packages do you have installed ? ceck with: dpkg -l |grep ltsp)
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| 07:34 | not that there have been many changes recently
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| 07:43 | <pablo_> ogra: the graphic card is on board (old intel motherboard) and im using 5.0.39
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| 07:43 | <ogra> hmm, could be an 810
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| 07:44 | <pablo_> ogra: and ltspfs is 0.5-0ubuntu2
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| 07:44 | <ogra> try addig X_COLOR_DEPTH=24 to the lts.conf
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| 07:44 | or 16 if oyu want to be on the safe side
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| 07:45 | <pablo_> ogra ok il l try
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| 08:05 | <pablo_> ogra: thanks!! it worked! :)
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| 08:20 | <cliebow__> sbalneav:my problem is solv.ed
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| 09:26 | <gonzaloaf> hi, how can I know exactly how many terminals are connected to my ltsp server 4.2?
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| 09:47 | <cliebow__> gonzo
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| 09:47 | gonzaloaf:
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| 09:47 | <gonzaloaf> cliebow, yup?
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| 09:48 | <cliebow__> i have a command from teachertoop to look up terminals...just looking up
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| 09:48 | heh
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| 09:54 | gonzaloaf: this give you what you'd like?
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| 09:56 | <cliebow__> netstat -t -e |grep x11|sed -e 's/ \+/ /g' -e 's/:/ /g'
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| 10:43 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 11:03 | <cliebow__> Scottie!!!
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| 11:03 | sbalneav:my problem is solv.ed
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| 11:20 | <sbalneav> cliebow__: What was it?
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| 11:22 | <cliebow__> well...i got halfway through renaming machines in the lab..so /etc/hosts had a couple multiple entries..once i fixed a terminal in hosts..took off like a ..welll it took off
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| 11:23 | <sbalneav> Ah, nice.
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| 11:25 | <cliebow__> i'm guessing ti didnt bother cause some hgostname to ip resolution was happening on the network but over summer it cached out
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| 12:04 | <staffencasa> is there a way to get the dhcp server running for eth2?
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| 12:05 | <ogra> staffencasa, *
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| 12:05 | ?
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| 12:05 | <staffencasa> I installed ltsp-server-standalone and it failed on starting the dhcp server and I'm assuming its because its on eth2 and not eth1
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| 12:06 | nevermind, it fixed itself
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| 12:06 | :)
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| 12:07 | <ogra> it isnt (and should never be) bound to any interface
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| 12:07 | it will automatically determine if a static interface with a matching config exists and refuse to start until there is one
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| 12:08 | <ogra> least in ubuntu and debian since dhcp3-server is used)
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| 12:08 | <staffencasa> okay, thanks
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| 12:08 | yeah, i'm running edubuntu
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| 12:08 | <ogra> with one NIC i assume
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| 12:08 | <staffencasa> 2
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| 12:09 | <ogra> oh
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| 12:09 | <staffencasa> i was going to try out xubuntu, any thoughts? does it work better?
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| 12:09 | <ogra> then it should have set up the second one as static one with the right data for the dhcp server
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| 12:09 | well, what should i say here, i'm slightly biased :)
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| 12:09 | <-- develops edubuntu
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| 12:10 | <cliebow__> staffencasa: ogra IS Edubuntu 8~)
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| 12:10 | <staffencasa> then I should've been talking to you when I couldn't get the student control panel to work
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| 12:10 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:11 | <cliebow__> ogra:pete savage gonna be in Boston?
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| 12:11 | <ogra> cliebow, unlikely
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| 12:11 | <cliebow__> ahh
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| 12:11 | <ogra> he didnt do anything since feisty
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| 12:11 | at least nothing i'm aware of
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| 12:11 | <cliebow__> i see
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| 12:12 | <ogra> stgraber expressed interest to take over thin client manager in hardy
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| 12:12 | he has some neat ideas for the vnc stuff
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| 12:13 | <cliebow__> i shouldbe touching with him then..
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| 12:13 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:13 | he'll be in boston i think (not for edu though)
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| 12:13 | <cliebow__> perhaps he wouldnt mind being something of a mentor on the python side..
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| 12:13 | <ogra> ask him :)
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| 12:23 | <staffencasa> ogra, what packages are needed on the client for the thin client manager to work properly?
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| 12:24 | <ogra> for it to work ... none
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| 12:24 | for vnc you need x11vnc
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| 12:24 | <staffencasa> I'm using the kiosk plugin and it only works for me if I do not use the kiosk plugin
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| 12:24 | <ogra> right
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| 12:24 | <staffencasa> so install x11vnc on the client and it should work?
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| 12:24 | <ogra> its only designed to run on a standalone ltsp server for ltsp sessions
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| 12:25 | you wont make it work in kiosk mode
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| 12:25 | <staffencasa> ok thanks, that oughta save me some time then, glad I asked
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| 12:25 | <ogra> migth be that one of the different teachertool implementations out there offers soemthing like that ... or you could use italc
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| 12:26 | <staffencasa> it's not really necessary, I just thought it would be cool to have
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| 12:28 | <ogra> one of my targets for hardy wil be user/session maintenance/management ... so that should improve soon
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| 12:33 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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| 12:35 | <ogra> yo jammcq
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| 12:35 | you pinged yesterday
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| 12:36 | <laprag> hey jammcq
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| 12:40 | <highvoltage> hi uncle jammcq
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| 12:48 | <lns> Morning, all
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| 12:51 | <Blinny> G'afternoon
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| 12:54 | <jammcq> ogra: just wondering if you talked to RichEd
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| 12:54 | highvoltage: hey, how's it goin down under?
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| 12:55 | <ogra> jammcq, yes, i already told you he's intrested
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| 12:55 | <jammcq> ah, cool
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| 12:55 | <ogra> but we didnt talk further and he's travelling this week
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| 12:55 | <jammcq> I must have either missed, or forgotten about it
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| 12:57 | <highvoltage> jammcq: working very hard!
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| 12:58 | jammcq: how does LTSP in gutsy run on the LTSP Term 1000's these days?
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| 12:58 | <jammcq> you'd have to ask ogra, he's the master of performance
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| 12:59 | but I have a hunch it's running pretty well
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| 12:59 | <ogra> no sound and you should limit the screen size to 1024x768
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| 12:59 | <highvoltage> and the boot time and performance? is it decent?
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| 13:00 | <ogra> apart from that its running as you would expect from a 200MHz integrated thingie
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| 13:00 | <highvoltage> ah
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| 13:00 | <ogra> its still darn slow but not comparable to the minutes it took in feisty
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| 13:01 | <highvoltage> ogra: did you try it without ssh encryption/compression?
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| 13:02 | <ogra> yes, only
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| 13:02 | <highvoltage> ok
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| 13:02 | pity it doesn't come in 400mhz
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| 13:02 | <ogra> thats no device you should use ssh tunnels
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| 13:02 | on
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| 14:30 | <dniel> hello world
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| 14:30 | <yanu> you got that right ;)
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| 16:27 | <vagrantc> so the ltsp backports for etch basically require using the old X configuration stuff ... need to update http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 16:27 | or a backported version of X.org
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| 16:28 | <ogra> yeah, i could have told you
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| 16:28 | i wasnt aware yu try to backport that
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, with one change it worked on my test machines.
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| 16:48 | which amounted to 2-3 systems
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| 16:48 | <ogra> wow, you have a lab :)
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> i have freegeek
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| 16:48 | but not the patience to test it on everything
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| 16:49 | <ogra> yeah
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> with the one-line patch in debian sid, it's easy to support alternate X configuration scripts
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| 16:50 | and i just yanked all the old debconf related code and put it into an example script
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| 16:50 | so it's not too bad.
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| 16:50 | <ogra> we need to set X_COLOR_DEPTH to default to 24 btw
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| 16:51 | <vagrantc> i've seen 24 fail on a lot of hardware that works with 16
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| 16:51 | <ogra> man intel cards dont manage 32bit ... Xorg -configure doesnt take that into account
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| 16:51 | *many
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| 16:51 | well, 16 is a visible change
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| 16:52 | 24 is what the cards use internally anyway
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| 16:52 | * vagrantc suspects it's only some cards that use 24 | |
| 16:52 | <ogra> no
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| 16:52 | all chips use 24 internally
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| 16:52 | <vagrantc> i have seen many cards in my time that only do 16 or less.
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| 16:52 | doesn't matter much what they do internally.
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| 16:53 | <vagrantc> ogra: you mean all chips of a certain type ?
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| 16:53 | <ogra> no
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| 16:53 | there are no chips that do 32
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| 16:54 | *internally*
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| 16:54 | * vagrantc is looking at this from the other end of the spectrum | |
| 16:54 | <ogra> even if you have 32 thats translated into 24 before processing
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| 16:54 | well, i would never default to 16
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| 16:54 | its simply looking bad
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| 16:55 | and the amount of HW out there not supporting 24 is really shrinking
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| 16:55 | <vagrantc> you'd rather have it not work by default than look not so great?
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| 16:55 | <ogra> these people can well set X_COLOR_DEPTH manually
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| 16:55 | <vagrantc> fair enough.
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| 16:55 | <ogra> i simply dont think the amount is so big
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| 16:56 | * vagrantc looks at a warehouse full of old computers | |
| 16:56 | <vagrantc> but i think you're right, 24 default makes sense.
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| 16:56 | <ogra> even the cheapest 2MB card from the last 5 years can do 24 bit
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> 2MB is needed for 1024x768@16
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| 16:57 | i suspect you'll need more memory for 1024x768@24
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| 16:57 | <ogra> ok, lets say 3M :P
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| 16:57 | <vagrantc> at any rate... 24 seems reasonable enough for a default ...
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| 16:57 | <ogra> still, cards not doing 1024x768@24 should be really rare
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| 16:57 | <vagrantc> i have a huge testbed to find out...
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| 16:58 | <ogra> well, its likely that other components wont match the minimal reqs as well if such a card is in the machine
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| 16:58 | <vagrantc> just 3 years ago we were getting a fair number of cards that only did 15
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| 16:58 | <ogra> 3 years ...
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| 16:58 | <vagrantc> i think they were the riva128 cards...
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| 16:59 | <ogra> thats an aeon
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> the cast-offs from 3 years ago ... sure :)
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| 16:59 | maybe it was 2 years, but at any rate...
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| 17:04 | * ogra scratches his head about https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/150419 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/151386 | |
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| 17:51 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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| 17:54 | <ari_stress> hi papa :)
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| 17:55 | we're having a 7 days holiday here :D
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| 17:57 | <jammcq> wow
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| 17:57 | where is "here" ?
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| 18:06 | <cliebow> Dad!!
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| 18:57 | <ari_stress> i'm indonesia jammcq. most of us are having 7 days, but some are taking leave and extend the holiday to full 2-weeks holiday :))
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| 18:57 | <lns> ari_stress, this is ramadan?
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| 18:58 | <ari_stress> lns: yes. we mix it with a traditional custom of returning back to our hometown/island
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| 18:58 | <lns> ari_stress, =)
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| 18:59 | congrats, that's really cool
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| 18:59 | <ari_stress> i think indonesia is the 2nd country in the world whose most holidays :))
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| 19:00 | <lns> all us americans get is christmas, which is completely commercialized now... :(
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| 19:00 | <ari_stress> how long is christmas holiday? 1 week?
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| 19:00 | <lns> usually, 1-2 weeks depending, because most people take it along with the new year holiday
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| 19:01 | <ari_stress> the same here
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| 19:01 | <lns> of course if you work in retail/fast food/etc., you get no vacation :(
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| 19:01 | work usually has priority over holidays (at least in my experience)
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| 19:02 | <ari_stress> yeah the same as policemen. salut to them
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| 19:02 | <lns> yes
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| 19:02 | *drinks*
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| 19:03 | <ari_stress> well, my canadian permanent resident was just refused :(
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| 19:03 | i'm taking "plan B" of my life course :)
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| 19:04 | <lns> aww
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| 19:05 | <ari_stress> yeah, i even took french class for 2 years
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| 19:05 | they refused it based on my wife's health condition
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| 19:05 | <lns> !!
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| 19:05 | <ltspbot> lns: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
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| 19:05 | <ari_stress> d*mn :(
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| 19:06 | <lns> i'm sorry
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| 19:06 | <ari_stress> it's ok
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| 19:06 | we pass the shock stage :)
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| 19:06 | <lns> what, of not getting residency?
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| 19:06 | <ari_stress> yes, she's slowly getting herself together again
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| 19:07 | i'm now concentrating on applying for jobs in asia region
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| 19:07 | <lns> oooh ok
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| 19:07 | <ari_stress> looks like skills like virtualization is on high demand
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| 19:08 | <lns> yes it is
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| 19:08 | <ari_stress> have you tried it? like virtuozo, xen, vmware, openvps?
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| 19:26 | <lns> ari_stress, i've done vmware
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| 19:26 | pretty easy to get going
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| 19:32 | <ari_stress> yes, vmware has it all
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