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01:08 | <ball> In the LTSP documentation, does "Etherboot" refer to a boot ROM on a network interface?
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01:10 | <ball> hello marek82
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01:15 | Ah, I found it... a forward reference ;-)
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01:22 | <marek82> hi ball
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01:31 | <ball> hello Q-FUNK
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01:32 | <Q-FUNK> hello
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02:10 | <ball> hello ogra
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02:10 | <ogra> morning
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02:22 | <ball> hello vanya
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02:23 | <vanya> hi
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02:29 | <ball> hello vagrantc
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02:29 | <vagrantc> ball: hi
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02:31 | <ball> hello Burgundavia
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02:32 | <Burgundavia> morning ball
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02:36 | <ball> hello siji
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02:36 | (namaste)
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02:37 | <ball> hello jammcq
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02:37 | <ogra> ball, are you a bot ?
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02:39 | * ball nods | |
02:39 | <ball> No, not really :-)
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02:40 | <ogra> heh :)
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02:41 | <ogra> you looked a bit like one by saying the same all the time if people join ;)
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02:41 | <ball> I'm just a welcoming kind of chap ;-)
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02:41 | <ogra> :)
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03:12 | <Nikopoika> my clients freezes for some reason when trying to start them... it loads & mounts all succesfully but then freezes with followin text: "rc.sysinit completed, switching to multi-session mode"
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03:12 | then nothing happens, not sure have i forgotted something?..
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03:13 | <jammcq> what version of LTSP ?
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03:13 | <Nikopoika> 4.2
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03:13 | <jammcq> was this an upgrade from 3.x ?
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03:13 | <Nikopoika> nope, clean install
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03:13 | <jammcq> check you lts.conf file, you are probably missing the line that says:
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03:14 | SCREEN_01 = startx
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03:14 | <Nikopoika> hmm.. there was line SCREEN_01 = shell
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03:14 | <jammcq> well, that should at least give you a shell prompot
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03:15 | <Nikopoika> yeah..
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04:35 | <skyion> hey hey
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04:35 | how is everyone?
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04:37 | anyone have ideas as to NFS / Ubuntu / LTSP
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04:38 | ltsp pxe file is booting
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04:38 | im getting read connection refused
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04:38 | on the client side
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04:39 | the only unhashed line on my side is
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04:39 | /opt/ltsp * 10.0.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,sync)
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04:41 | <vagrantc> you'll want (ro,no_root_squash,async)
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04:41 | heh.
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04:42 | * vagrantc wonders how rw,sync ended up in there. | |
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04:51 | <vagrantc> not that loudly
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04:51 | <ogra> you dont sit next to him
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04:52 | <vagrantc> yeah, i'm a whole two seats away
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04:52 | <muh2000> mage portmap was allready running.
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04:53 | <jammcq> ok, jammcq is awake now
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05:03 | <muh2000> but still nfs/RPC error. :/
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05:25 | <mEDUXa> hi, did you guys met yesterday Mario from TCOS?
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05:26 | <Burgundavia> mEDUXa: yep
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05:36 | <mEDUXa> ok
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05:36 | any conclusion about it?
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05:39 | <ogra> he came very late in the evening yesterday and is on a different conference until friday afternoon
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05:39 | <Burgundavia> ask ogra
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05:39 | <ogra> we have proposed a scheduled slot for friday afternoon
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05:42 | <mEDUXa> ah, he is in sevilla's college conf since he is going to recieve a price
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05:42 | as the winner of best Free software college project related with operative systems
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05:43 | <ogra> intresting ..
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05:44 | <mEDUXa> it was a national championship
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05:45 | MAX, the edu distro from madrid has incorporated it
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05:45 | so it is going to be in thousands of computers in madrid
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05:52 | <ogra> well, essentially its just reimplementing ltsp4.2 without nfsroot ... sadly that brings back all problems of ltsp4.2 wrt maintainance
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05:53 | ... the high maintenance load was the reason we created ltsp5
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05:56 | <mEDUXa> I see
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05:56 | interesting point
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05:57 | <mEDUXa> I know many people in spain thinking about switching from ltsp 4.2 to TCOS instead of ltsp5
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05:57 | <ogra> it is a really nice project but he will have a fulltime job maintaining it ...
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05:57 | <mEDUXa> it would be nice to have your opinion about TCOS
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05:57 | to let people know the
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05:57 | <ogra> (beyond the fact that you have to shut down your whole network and rebuild everything if there is a security update for any of the stuff he uses)
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05:57 | <mEDUXa> differences and the consecuencces of doing that
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05:58 | your knowledge
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05:58 | about terminals and the knowledges related with systems in production
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05:59 | is the kind of ideas that helps people to take decisions, not just based in technical stuff
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05:59 | <ogra> right, i wont give any detailed comment before we had our session tomorrow .... but i'm fine to put up a comparison between the two afterwards
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05:59 | <mEDUXa> and I think you guys can help with that
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06:00 | that would be really helpful
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06:00 | <ogra> :)
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06:00 | he's a really nice guy as well
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06:00 | <mEDUXa> since we have some ltsp system in production we can colaborate with you on that if you need it
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06:01 | yes, mario is a great guy, the kind that wants to learn more and a hard and motivated worker
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06:33 | <Envite> Hello all from Spain
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06:33 | Hola a todos desde España
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08:36 | <geotux> .
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08:36 | <geotux> .
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08:37 | <Nikopoika> hi, i'm having problems with allowing clients to write "stuff" to the syslog...
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08:37 | <vagrantc> Nikopoika: linux distro ?
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08:37 | <Nikopoika> i tried to add "syslog udp/514" into /etc/services file but it didn't seemed to have effect
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08:37 | vagrantc: manrdiva 2007.1
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08:38 | *mandriva
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08:38 | <vagrantc> /etc/services is just a list of names for commonly used services
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08:38 | you'll need to configure your syslog init scripts
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08:38 | <Nikopoika> sounds difficult :D
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08:39 | <vagrantc> not really.
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08:40 | in debian, you just set SYSLOGD="-r" for example
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08:41 | <cliebow_> yeah..
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08:42 | * vagrantc will not attempt to guess where mandriva put it | |
08:42 | <Nikopoika> :D
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08:42 | <Gadi> Nikopoika: look in /etc/sysconfig/ or /etc/default/
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08:42 | <Gadi> see if there is a syslogd or sysklogd file there
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08:44 | <Nikopoika> found it
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08:45 | it worked, thx a lot guys :)
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08:45 | the file wew
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08:46 | *were at /etc/sysconfig/
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08:46 | sry for my bad english
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08:52 | <MrChicken> Hello
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08:53 | Can anybody help me out set up a floppy as a local device?
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08:54 | <laurentdd> hello
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08:54 | <MrChicken> I have LOCALDEV=TRUE
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08:55 | what else do I need
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08:58 | <Envite> MrChicken: ltsp 4.1 or 4.2 ?
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09:03 | <MrChicken> ltsp5
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09:03 | <Envite> huh
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09:03 | no idea, sorry
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09:07 | <vagrantc> MrChicken: which distro?
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09:07 | <MrChicken> ummm I'm using a tarball of ... Ubuntu
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09:07 | <vagrantc> MrChicken: and what's the server's distro?
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09:07 | <MrChicken> sorry
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09:07 | <mhterres> morning
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09:08 | <MrChicken> debian etch tarball
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09:08 | <vagrantc> MrChicken: and what's the server's distro?
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09:08 | <MrChicken> and I'm running fedora core 5
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09:08 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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09:08 | you'll have to build ltspfs rpms and hope that the fuse is compatible with debian's
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09:10 | <MrChicken> and where do I find them?
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09:11 | <geotux> estou tendo problemas com a configuração do nfs no ltsp5, alguém ja passou por isto ?
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09:12 | <vagrantc> geotux: en ingleis?
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09:13 | geotux: /join ltsp-br
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09:13 | <geotux> o que seria ?
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09:16 | <vagrantc> geotux: in ltsp-br maybe you'll find someone who speaks portuguese
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09:16 | <geotux> ok, obrigado
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09:17 | <MrChicken> I am lost
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09:17 | Dont know where to get the ltspfs rpms for ltsp5
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09:17 | <jammcq> cuz there ain't any
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09:17 | <vagrantc> MrChicken: you have to build them yourself
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09:17 | <MrChicken> where do I get the source then?
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09:18 | I need to get the floppy working :/
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09:19 | <vagrantc> MrChicken: install debian or ubuntu
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09:19 | probably easier then
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09:19 | MrChicken: or get fedora to incorporate ltsp5
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09:20 | <MrChicken> Uhhh I'm in production right now ...
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09:20 | <vagrantc> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/ltspfs/ltspfs_0.4.3+debian2.tar.gz
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09:20 | godo luck.
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09:20 | good luck
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09:23 | <mhterres> Anybody here use feisty ltsp 5 with this config: dhcp server in a different computer than the nfs server ?
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09:25 | <jammcq> dhcp server is easy
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09:25 | just set next-server to point to your tftp server
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10:06 | <highvoltage> jammcq: http://www.arbitraryuser.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/howtospellandtypejonathan.png
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10:41 | <joebob777as7> hey i'm trying to copy all of my home directory into /etc/skel so my clients have the same settings but it isn't working even with root...
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10:42 | <vagrantc> joebob777as7: what are you trying to do?
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10:42 | joebob777as7: or rather, what is your goal?
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10:43 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: it seems that his idea is to customise the desktop for all new users
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10:43 | I think sabayon would work better, or setting system-wide gconf settings.
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11:00 | <jammcq> ogra: grab http://www.McQuil.com/init.txt
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11:00 | vagrantc: grab http://www.McQuil.com/init.txt
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11:13 | <mage> switchroot eh?
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11:13 | now i really feel behind the times
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11:17 | <jammcq> heh
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11:31 | <vagrantc> switchroot is old
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11:34 | <mage> how old is old ;)
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11:34 | <jammcq> it's not THAT old
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11:36 | <mistik1> switchroot?
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11:36 | switch_root() you mean?
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11:47 | <jammcq> mistik1: switchroot the command
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11:48 | <mage> so how does switchroot relate to chroot and pivot root?
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11:48 | <jammcq> switchroot replaces pivotroot
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11:48 | pivotroot was used with initrd, for initramfs, we need switchroot
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11:57 | <mistik1> I thought so
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11:57 | <mistik1> jammcq: I was agreeing with you in that one, because I know it replaces pivotroot
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11:58 | <skipper> I need help
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11:58 | <RichEd> <RichEd> how can we help skipper ?
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11:58 | <skipper> I am running 7.04 and when I try to run the Thin Client Manager it pegs by cpu usage to 100%
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11:58 | <skipper> right
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11:58 | <RichEd> <skipper> With 12 clients connected and the Thin client Manager not running I run at about 20% cpu usage
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11:58 | skipper: see how helpful we are :)
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11:58 | <skipper> roger that
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12:00 | <RichEd> ogra: ^^
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12:01 | <RichEd> skipper: the guys are quite busy with the conference ... so you may have to wait for a bit for attention
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12:01 | <skipper> OK - I will be patient
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12:03 | <jammcq> !s
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12:03 | <ltspbot`> jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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12:03 | <RichEd> sbalneav / jammcq can you help skipper ?
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12:03 | <skipper> I am running 7.04 and when I try to run the Thin Client Manager it pegs by cpu usage to 100%
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12:03 | <skipper> With 12 clients connected and the Thin client Manager not running I run at about 20% cpu usage
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12:03 | ??
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12:04 | <sbalneav> hmm
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12:04 | <cliebow_> hmmm
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12:04 | <skipper> hmmm
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12:04 | <cliebow_> what process is sucking it up?
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12:04 | <sbalneav> cbx33 isn't around.
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12:04 | <skipper> The Thin Client manager
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12:05 | <sbalneav> Not sure how we'd debug that within the python interpreter
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12:06 | can you do a ps -ef , and see if it's launching any sub jobs?
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12:06 | <skipper> ok
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12:06 | <sbalneav> maybe it's stuck in a loop that's failing (i.e. it keeps launching something that fails, and it does it over and over)
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12:09 | <skipper> what am I looking for with "ps -ef"?
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12:09 | <sbalneav> could you paste the whole thing to the pastebot?
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12:09 | !pastebot
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12:09 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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12:11 | <skipper> I am a newbie, so how do I get it to you?
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12:11 | <sbalneav> paste it to pastebot.ltsp.org
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12:12 | it'll pop up here in the channel
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12:12 | <skipper> roger that
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12:13 | <ltsppbot> "skipper" pasted "UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME" (419 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/125
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12:14 | <skipper> that is cool!
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12:16 | <bts3685|work> anyone have any experience with setting up the ltsp system under debian?
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12:16 | <sbalneav> What does uptime report?
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12:16 | sorry, that was for skipper.
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12:17 | bts3685|work: What seems to be the problem?
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12:17 | <skipper> How do I check that?
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12:17 | <sbalneav> run the "uptime" command
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12:17 | <skipper> rog..
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12:18 | I started it this morning, it's been up 12:57
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12:18 | <bts3685|work> sbalneav: oh, no problems yet. i was just looking for some tips/advice. i don't have a chance to sandbox it, but i have an install for it coming up
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12:18 | <sbalneav> right, but what do the loadavgs look like right now?
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12:18 | <highvoltage> ticking away.. the moment that make up the dull day
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12:18 | *moments, even :)
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12:19 | <skipper> 4.2 3.79 2.3
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12:19 | <sbalneav> Fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way
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12:19 | hmmm
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12:20 | start tcm, and then run top
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12:20 | lets see if it rises to the top.
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12:20 | <skipper> ok
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12:22 | At the top = student-control with 6.6% Load avg 5.94 4.99 3.16
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12:23 | <sbalneav> ok, then it's only using 6.6 percent of your cpu
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12:23 | <skipper> Curious that it doesn't kook like 100%
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12:23 | <sbalneav> so TCM isn't your problem.
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12:23 | <skipper> But the TCM is still locked up
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12:24 | <sbalneav> ah, well that's different from using 100% of cpu :)
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12:24 | <sbalneav> what does the output of the "free" command give you?
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12:24 | <skipper> agreed, but I am just reporting what the System Monitor is saying
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12:25 | I have at least a gig of free memory
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12:25 | <sbalneav> paste the output, please
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12:26 | You can just paste it here, it's only 2 or 3 lines long
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12:27 | <ltsppbot> "skipper" pasted "Output of free command" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/126
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12:27 | <sbalneav> ok, so you're not running out of ram. That's a good thing.
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12:28 | skipper: You wouldn't happen to be Joe, would you?
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12:28 | ok, lets see what else we can see.
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12:28 | <skipper> No, I'm Ted
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12:29 | I have to leave for now. Can I get back later?
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12:29 | <sbalneav> Sure! I might be here, or not. I'm in Spain at the moment
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12:38 | <skipper> I am back, had to grab my lunch before the choll cafeteria closed!
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12:39 | <ogra> jammcq, dd if=/dev/zero of=/testfile bs=1024 count=100000
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12:43 | <sbalneav> skipper: So, what's the load average at now?
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12:46 | <skipper> with or without TCM
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12:46 | <sbalneav> without
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12:46 | <skipper> 0.11 0.61 5.2
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12:48 | <sbalneav> Are you using VNC under TCM?
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12:49 | <skipper> No, I don't have it installed
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12:50 | <sbalneav> Hmm. Well, I'm at a bit of a loss. Pete Savage is the fellow who wrote it, he's cbx33 in #edubuntu.
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12:50 | Maybe file a bug at https://launchpad.net/tcm
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12:50 | Pete's usually pretty good about keeping an eye on bugs.
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12:50 | He'll be able to help you far more than I will.
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12:58 | <skipper> I can do that, thanks for all your help, have a great conference
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13:46 | <AndrewGearhart> hey folks!
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13:47 | just ran across LTSP... I think it will fit the bill for what I'm trying to do... my question is what (client software) is necessary to connect to a LTSP?
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13:52 | <cliebow_> ltsp Rocks..
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13:52 | it "can reside on any linux os that provides 4 essential services
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13:52 | <AndrewGearhart> bah... :( looks like it's not an option for what I was trying to do... the application that I'd be trying to run isn't ported to linux. boo. oh well... project for another day. ;-)
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13:52 | have a good one folks
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13:53 | <cliebow_> that answered that i guess
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14:10 | <jeremydyoung> Maybe the Topic scared him away.
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14:11 | Or maybe I should read more carefully.. Strike my statement from the record.
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14:13 | <cliebow_> too late...preserved for posterity 8~)
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14:20 | <comfrey> hey all...
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14:20 | i am having an issue with the keyboard on this here thin client
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14:21 | works ok with the ubuntu default...
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14:21 | but when i switch to a custom lts.conf ...
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14:21 | the keys dont work
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14:22 | <comfrey> i am going to try shell on SCREEN_01
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14:22 | see if it is an x thing or what
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14:23 | any tips?
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14:25 | hmm... so looks like x related
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14:28 | um...
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14:30 | also getting SCREEN_SCRIPT: rdesktop not found!
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14:38 | <sutula> comfrey: I guess it would depend on what's in your custom lts.conf; you might want to pastebot it so someone here can comment on it
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14:47 | <comfrey> oh, ok... let me see
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14:47 | it is pretty simle config
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14:48 | simple that is
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14:48 | <ltsppbot> "comfrey" pasted "my lts.conf" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/127
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14:50 | <comfrey> can anyone tell me how the ubuntu config is stored if the lts.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc is empty?
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14:54 | <nick125_> afternoon everyone
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14:54 | <sepski> comfrey, the default values are so good, common cases need no extra config, generate the file if it's missing. or copy from the example
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14:58 | <comfrey> ok, ...
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14:58 | well why would the keyboard not work with a custom config?
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14:59 | and why is the default screen on vt7 instead of vt1
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14:59 | ?
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15:03 | <nick125_> Anyone here know the status of LTSP 5.0 on Gentoo?
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16:49 | <maximi81> ajaja Hola
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16:50 | i need help, where i can find the sis900 for boot
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16:50 | ?
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18:02 | <J45p3r> cliebow: ping
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18:59 | <fox2k> hi
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18:59 | does anyone tested the new fuseaudio?
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19:15 | <Mineque> hello
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19:15 | <fox2k> hi
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19:15 | <Mineque> it is possible to login from client using smartcard?
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19:16 | without password entering
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19:16 | usb reader
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19:17 | <fox2k> you come from germany or?
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19:17 | <cliebow> J45p3r,
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19:17 | <Mineque> no... poland :)
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19:17 | <fox2k> oh i'm sorry..
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19:17 | okay
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19:18 | hmm authorization with smartcard..
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19:18 | <cliebow> J45p3r, Hiya
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19:18 | <fox2k> i think it is not impossible ;)
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19:18 | but I don't know if it is implemented..
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19:18 | <Mineque> linux support that but what about ltsp :P
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19:18 | so... i need to buy reader and test :P
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19:19 | <fox2k> do you know what you need for a normal linux station to authenticate with smartcard?
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19:19 | <cliebow> Mi
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19:19 | <fox2k> then you can port it to ltsp..
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19:19 | <cliebow> Mineque,
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19:19 | Mineque,
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19:19 | <Mineque> cliebow: ?
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19:19 | <fox2k> ;)
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19:19 | <cliebow> Mineque, talk yo jammcq tomorrow...
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19:19 | <Mineque> cliebow: thx
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19:20 | <cliebow> sorhy... dark in here
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19:20 | <Mineque> heh
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19:20 | maybe try turn on some light?
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19:20 | on increase brightness of screen :P
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19:22 | fox2k: there is library for smartcard pcsc-lite
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19:26 | <cliebow> Mineque, fwiw http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200021.html
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19:28 | <Mineque> "LTSP does not have an ability to read from this peripheral." :) "In Stock: No"
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19:28 | i saw that yestarday :)
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19:28 | <fox2k> i think it's generally possible..
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19:28 | <cliebow> thaat is old..sbalneav is the localdev guru
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19:28 | <fox2k> yeah that's the problem..
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19:28 | the local smartcard reader..
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19:29 | if you use ldm as windowmanager you have to bring the "smartcard" to the server to authenticate..
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19:29 | from client -> server, because the authentification is serversided..
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19:30 | through the ssh tunnel..
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19:30 | <cliebow> that is what ltspfs is all about
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19:31 | <fox2k> right.. can you match everything from client to server ?
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19:31 | <cliebow> that is how localdevs like usb sticks work'
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19:31 | <fox2k> yes
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19:31 | but then
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19:31 | <Mineque> fox2k: could you give me any links to ldm?
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19:31 | <fox2k> you can also match a printer or a scanner from client to server?
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19:32 | i know
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19:32 | <cliebow> yes..
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19:32 | <fox2k> that if you want to print at a client
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19:32 | <cliebow> sort of anywaya
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19:32 | <Mineque> "http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/ldm/" You taking about that?
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19:32 | <fox2k> you don't match the printer to the server
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19:32 | you start a printserver at the client..
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19:32 | and then you can print at the clients printer or?
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19:33 | <cliebow> any printer can becpme a jetdirct printer
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19:33 | <fox2k> no
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19:33 | ldm is the ltsp display manager..
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19:34 | ldm is an X11 display manager similar to xdm, gdm and kdm, but unlike those it wraps the X11 traffic within an ssh tunnel to provide a secure login mechanism for remote X sessions. ldm provides access only through SSH, not locally. It is technically possible to use ldm to connect to the same host, but probably a waste of CPU power.
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19:34 | <cliebow> ohh. that no..
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19:36 | <Mineque> fox2k: thx
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19:37 | <fox2k> no problem..
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19:38 | <cliebow> fox2k: try to use pastebot if your text is long..or face the wrath of mistik1
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19:39 | <fox2k> ^^ okay ;)
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19:39 | <cliebow> 8~)
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19:39 | <Mineque> http://osdir.com/ml/linux.terminal-server.devel/2003-05/msg00001.html
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19:39 | four years ago it was possible so now maybe too :P
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19:40 | "I currently have ltsp4 working via openssh tunnels authenticated by smartcard."
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19:41 | <cliebow> i see that..kevin has not been prominent in development since..but jam would be the better judge of that
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19:42 | <fox2k> okay look the authetication via smartcard: http://www.opensc-project.org/
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19:43 | <J45p3r> cliebow: we can catch up tomorrow, was wondering if you knew how to check which perl modules are installed
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19:44 | <cliebow> well..we can call them..which machine?
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19:44 | <J45p3r> webmail
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19:45 | <cliebow> i "think " they are rpms for her..which module?
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19:45 | <J45p3r> is it possible to get a list of them all?
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19:45 | <cliebow> perhaps rpm -qa|grep nameofmodule
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19:46 | perhaps rpm -qa|grep whatever..pretend it is google 8~)
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19:46 | <J45p3r> Compress:Zlib is one
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19:46 | <cliebow> dag wieers is where i got a lot of perl modules for diff. stuff
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19:49 | dag wieers is where i got a lot of perl modules for diff. stuff
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19:50 | <cliebow> yeah Compress:Zlib seems there
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19:50 | yeah Compress:Zlib seems thererpm -qa|grep perl|grep Z
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19:50 | rpm -qa|grep perl
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19:52 | <J45p3r> cool, I'll use that to check the rest
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19:54 | <fox2k> so gn8
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19:57 | <cliebow> you cann google for dag + rpm if there are any missing
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20:11 | <Mineque> time to go...
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20:11 | cya all
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20:27 | * moquist waves from Hudson, NH | |
20:40 | <whiprush> hi moquist!
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