IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 8 September 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:17 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 01:23 | <elias_a> Good morning!
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| 01:24 | Or should I say Καλημέρα!
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| 01:24 | UTF8 <3
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| 01:29 | <alkisg> Hyvää huomenta :)
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| 01:30 | <muppis> :D
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| 01:30 | <vagrantc> alkisg: someone we donate computers to mentioned your at freegeek today :)
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| 01:30 | <alkisg> vagrantc: urm, in a good or in a bad way? :D
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| 01:31 | <vagrantc> alkisg: good... your ppa got LTSP working again
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| 01:31 | <alkisg> Ah, nice
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| 01:33 | <vagrantc> s,your,you,
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| 01:45 | <elias_a> muppis: Sitä samaa!
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| 01:45 | alkis: Sitä samaa!
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| 01:46 | (Thanks - the same for you)
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| 03:13 | <ltsp> Hello. A have a question: does ltsp technology mean diskless boot via the network, or is it possible to start some ltsp client on the full-weight system?
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| 03:18 | <johnny> the first
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| 03:18 | the 2nd is usually done with the same kind of programs ltsp uses tho
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| 03:28 | <biomorph_> ltsp: Interesting question. What are you trying to achieve?
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| 03:29 | * vagrantc would recommend ltsp to not run irc as root :P | |
| 03:31 | <ltsp> well, i'm sorry, i have confused nickname and channel name :)
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| 03:31 | ltsp is now known as pianolender | |
| 03:31 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 03:31 | and other name...
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| 03:40 | <pianolender> i am trying to understand, how does ltsp technology work
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| 03:41 | is network boot _only_ way to login to ltsp server?
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| 03:48 | <alkisg> With LTSP, yes, but of course you can also install vnc, rdp, nx etc
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| 03:50 | <pianolender> OK. So the most important question is the ability of my nettop to boot over network.
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| 03:51 | <johnny> no.. that isn't true
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| 03:52 | ah sorry alkisg says it right
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| 03:52 | pianolender, ltsp is just glue around standard unix tools that are used in many other contexts
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| 03:53 | not much is specific about ltsp other than the custom chroot
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| 05:23 | <pianolender> my goal is to use heavy graphical apps like browsers and maybe media players without expiriencing slowness of intel ato processor
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| 05:24 | <alkisg> pianolender: so, you want those apps to run on the server? then you're describing a thin client.
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| 05:25 | <pianolender> yes, definitely
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| 05:26 | <johnny> pianolender, really tho.. the worst speed .. is the network
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| 05:26 | atoms are faster.. especially newer ones
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| 05:26 | than the network can be
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| 05:26 | altho.. i still haven't tweaked my flow control yet
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| 07:14 | <MrMarkie> Is there somewhere in the ltsp-cluster web-interface i should be seeing my appservers?
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| 07:29 | I'm guessing that would be no.... right?
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| 08:24 | <anivair> okay, so I believe that I now have a usb flash drive with gPXE on it. Anyone know what I do with it? Do I just plug it in and let it take care of itself, or will I have to make modifications to the thin client?
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| 08:24 | <alkisg> Just plug it
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| 08:24 | <anivair> thanks
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| 08:24 | I'll give it a shot
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| 08:59 | <litercola> exit
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| 09:06 | <MrMarkie> Is there no packages for ubuntu 10.04 in the ltsp-cluster-team ppa?
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| 09:07 | <RicardoPerez> Hi! On question: which port number should I have in /etc/inetd.conf for nbdrootd: 2000 or 2001?
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| 09:09 | <alkisg> RicardoPerez: the default is 2000, but if you have 2 chroots, the second one is 2001, and if you then remove the first chroot, 2001 is left behind
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| 09:09 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg: thanks, it's a little strange. i only have one chroot and my ltsp installation on lucid puts me 2001 instead of 2000...
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| 09:10 | so i need to have "nbdport=2000" in .../pxelinux.cfg/default, right?
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| 09:10 | <alkisg> They just need to be the same ports, it doesn't really matter if they're 2000 or 2001.
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| 09:11 | Is that Lucid?
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| 09:11 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg: yes it is
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| 09:11 | alkisg: in fact, i'm trying to solve a more general problem
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| 09:12 | alkisg: can I explain you?
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| 09:12 | <alkisg> Sure, either me or to the channel, probably someone will be able to help you
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| 09:12 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg: Thanks! I have an LTSP server installed over Lucid for FAT clients
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| 09:13 | alkisg: the problem is: sometimes the clients doesn't boot correctly
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| 09:13 | alkisg: i.e.: the boot process gets into the plymouth logo, and the red & white dots still displayed, but nothing more happens
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| 09:14 | alkisg: however, if I reboot the client, then *almost always* the client boots correctly
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| 09:14 | <alkisg> Remove "quiet splash" from pxelinux.cfg/default so that you see an error message instead of flashing dots
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| 09:14 | It's possible that you have a rogue dhcp server on your network
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| 09:15 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg: mmmm... that's impossible, because it's a lan with only the server and the client...
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| 09:15 | <alkisg> And no router with embedded dhcp server?
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| 09:15 | <RicardoPerez> however, the "quiet splash" sounds good, i'll try it tomorrow
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| 09:15 | alkisg: there's a router attached to the other ethernet card of the server
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| 09:15 | (the server has 2 nics)
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| 09:15 | <alkisg> And there's a separate ISOLATED switch that connects the server to the client?
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| 09:16 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg: right
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| 09:16 | <alkisg> (not a crossover cable?)
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| 09:16 | <RicardoPerez> mmmmmm....
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| 09:16 | a crossover cable could let me to boot sometimes yes and sometimes no?
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| 09:16 | <alkisg> I mean, you're using a switch, not just a direct connected cable, right/
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| 09:17 | <RicardoPerez> that's right: i'm using a switch to connect the server and the client
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| 09:17 | <alkisg> OK, then yeah, it's not a dhcp problem
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| 09:17 | <RicardoPerez> there's no direct cable from the server and the client
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| 09:17 | <alkisg> It could be a problem with nbdproxy, or a race condition in some upstart script etc
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| 09:17 | <RicardoPerez> it's very strange: sometimes the client refueses to load
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| 09:18 | yes, i suspect to nbd or something similar
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| 09:18 | <alkisg> Remove quiet splash, see the error message and we'll see later how that goes
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| 09:18 | <RicardoPerez> because looking at the logs on the server i see the client don't connect to the nbd server when its booting hangs)
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| 09:19 | maybe i need to use "break=mount" to see if nbdproxy is running fine?
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| 09:21 | BTW, which port should nbd-proxy use: 2000 (the same as nbdrootd) or 2001?
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| 09:24 | <alkisg> The same
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| 09:25 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg: great, thanks
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| 09:25 | <alkisg> IRC support is much simpler when you're on-site, so try again tomorrow when you're there... :)
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| 09:25 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg: yes, i think so too :)
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| 09:25 | alkisg: thank you very much, we'll see tomorrow :)
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| 09:26 | <alkisg> Good luck :)
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| 09:29 | <MrMarkie> I'm having troubles with ltsp-cluster on 10.04. When I boot the clients instead of getting the appserver as appserver they get the the rootserver as appserver
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| 09:30 | <MrMarkie> Could this be because I run the loadbalancing-server on the rootserver?
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| 09:34 | <MrMarkie> Is my question unclear, should I elaborate?
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| 09:36 | <rmainard> hello everyone, I am trying to setup ubntu 10.04 64 bit ltsp cluster. When I boot a thin client the hardware info screen show the root server as the app server and then when I log in it opens a terminal rather than loading the desktop. When I force it to reboot I get a message saying error followed by this output: /usr/bin/getltscfg-cluster [OPTION] which is follow by a list of options. Does anyone have any ideas?
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| 09:38 | <MrMarkie> I got the same issue, but sadly am all out of solutions at the moment
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| 09:39 | <rmainard> bummer
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| 09:41 | <MrMarkie> I'm on 10.04 32-bit so it's not a 64-bit issue
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| 09:46 | <rmainard> I am running it on a KVM virtual server are you running on bare metal or as a VM?
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| 09:47 | <MrMarkie> Baremetal
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| 09:48 | <rmainard> At least it's not that.
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| 09:49 | <MrMarkie> I'm thinking this is related to the loadbalancer. Perhaps it doesn't identify appservers or perhaps the client on the TC-side doesn't ask the lb for an appserver
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| 09:49 | Are you running the loadbalancer on the same machine as the rootserver?
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| 09:50 | <rmainard> no, I am running the control server, root server, and load balancer on separate virtual machines.
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| 09:51 | <Ghidorah> Hello, has anyone else had an issue with the new Firefox and Flash Plugin crashing when running as a localapp?
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| 09:52 | <MrMarkie> rmainard: So that isn't it either then
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| 09:53 | rmainard: I run control, root and lb on one machine and appserv on another
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| 09:56 | <rmainard> when you got to the cluster control center web page does it show boot up attempts in the log file?
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| 10:17 | <rmainard> where can I download the latest non distribution specific ltsp-server package?
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| 10:35 | <anivair> clearly, I loaded my pen drive wrong.
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| 10:35 | the site how to suggests that I run "make" on the .usb file. That did nothing
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| 10:35 | so I figured maybe it was already prebuilt and just ran the dd and that had no effect that I can tell
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| 10:36 | and the thin client cpaims that it's blank
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| 10:38 | (and I type like a blind man who just got is first Dvorak keyboard)
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| 10:52 | <anivair> (also just double checked the network connection. it's good. For whatever reason my DHCP service is not handing off on the first pass. If a machine tries a second time, it grabs it.
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| 10:55 | (ie: a second time for the initial dhcp grab which is just about the first thing that happens on boot. before the kernel is loaded)
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| 10:56 | <rmainard> I am trying to setup ubntu 10.04 64 bit ltsp cluster. When I boot a thin client the hardware info screen show the root server as the app server and then when I log in it opens a terminal rather than loading the desktop. When I force it to reboot I get a message saying error followed by this output: /usr/bin/getltscfg-cluster [OPTION] which is follow by a list of options. Does anyone have any ideas?
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| 12:07 | <Ghidorah> Has anyone else had an issue with the new Firefox and Flash Plugin crashing when running as a localapp?
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| 12:07 | <highvoltage> 111111/win 20
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> //j #ubuntu
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| 12:43 | <rmainard> I am trying to setup ubntu 10.04 64 bit ltsp cluster. When I boot a thin client the hardware info screen show the root server as the app server and then when I log in it opens a terminal rather than loading the desktop. When I force it to reboot I get a message saying error followed by this output: /usr/bin/getltscfg-cluster [OPTION] which is follow by a list of options. Does anyone have any ideas?
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| 12:44 | <johnny> looks like somebody forgot to pass an option to getltscfg-cluster
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| 12:44 | i don't know much about cluster otherwise
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| 13:06 | <anivair> well, I'll be damned. the thing just started working. is one of you doing LTSP voodoo over there?
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> kill -9 ltsp-voodoo
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| 13:08 | That should fix it :)
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| 13:09 | <anivair> hehe
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| 13:09 | good thing, since I think I still messed up the flash drive. the make command is doing nothing. So either the how-to is wrong, or I'm wrong. I know me is more likely in this scenario, but you never know.
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> Make command? For gpxe?
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| 13:11 | <anivair> yeah. here: http://etherboot.org/wiki/removable
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| 13:12 | see "creating a bootable USB key"
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| 13:12 | <alkisg> anivair: well, there are two ways there, the easy one and the hard one
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| 13:12 | <anivair> heh
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| 13:12 | <alkisg> You were supposed to use the easy one, i.e. just write the downloaded image
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| 13:12 | <anivair> should I have skipped the make and just dropped the file onto the drive? Or is the dd command still required?
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| 13:12 | <alkisg> No need to download source, make etc
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| 13:13 | *ONLY* a dd command is required
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| 13:13 | <anivair> that's what I would up doing
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| 13:13 | course, now the thing's working suddenly ... though that makes me nervous. problems I don't solve can unsolve themselves
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| 13:13 | <anivair> for now, though, the new thin client seems to run well
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> Well, having a gpxe usb stick around is always handy...
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| 13:14 | <anivair> true enough
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> (or a live cd with gpxe added on it)
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| 13:14 | *live usb
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| 13:14 | <anivair> I'll try it on a few of the other modles just to play with uit
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| 13:16 | <Ghidorah> alkisg: Are you aware of an issue with localapp firefox and newest flash crashing?
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| 13:17 | <alkisg> Nope, never heard of it
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| 13:17 | <Ghidorah> :-/
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| 13:28 | <johnny> still waiting for that app
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| 13:28 | one that manages multiple distros on one key
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| 13:29 | i have a 4gb key that's not useful for much else
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| 16:23 | <sid> are ther any changes I should be aware of installing local apps on 10.4? I am refering to this guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPLocalAppSetup
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| 16:23 | <alkisg> sid: that's a very old page, it doesn't apply to 10.04
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| 16:24 | <sid> is there new info for local apps using 10.4?
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| 16:24 | <alkisg> No, but here's a page for running firefox on karmic: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox
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| 16:24 | <alkisg> It's still old, but at least it's a little better
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| 16:24 | <sid> ill check it out thanks.
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| 17:51 | <Vonor> hi
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| 17:53 | <Vonor> I've set up an ltsp on an ubuntu 10.10 beta. clients boot just fine bute if i try to log in the client gets message "no response from server, restarting" and no message in syslog on the server, other than from nbd_server "Desconnect request recieved" just right after startup
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> Try ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image
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| 17:54 | <Vonor> ahh, thanks
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| 17:59 | <Vonor> yay, that did the trick
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| 18:00 | one thing, though, on the client i cannot unmount the local cdrom drive.
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| 21:55 | <weightgain4000> sup ppl
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| 22:30 | <dvasile1> Hi, I'm trying to set up ubuntu 10.04 as a pxe server. got tftp working, but dhcp3-server fails to work, pretty sure it's because of my conf file. i need help
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| 23:18 | <moquist> hey!
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