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Channel log from 18 August 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:49 | <jakob__> How do I enable compression in LTSP 5 ?
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| 00:49 | sorry disable compression, that is
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| 00:50 | <jakob__> My clients are way to slow to handle the compression
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| 00:51 | <vagrantc> jakobsg: which linux distro?
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| 00:51 | <jakobsg> kubuntu 7.04
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| 00:53 | <vagrantc> well, you an set up XDMCP with KDM and use the startx script, but you'll have to configure local device and sound yourself
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| 00:53 | or you could patch LDM to use the LDM_DIRECTX stuff
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| 00:54 | ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 00:54 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', 'troubleshooting', 'sbnet', (1 more message)
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| 00:54 | <vagrantc> !sbnet
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| 00:54 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "sbnet" is great!
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| 00:55 | <jakobsg> LTSP5 uses ssh for ltsp <-> thin client communication, write
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| 00:55 | write = right
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| 00:55 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 00:55 | there is a patch to only use ssh for login, but not encrypting the whole session
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| 00:55 | but the patch was introduced after 7.04 was frozen
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| 00:56 | <jakobsg> disabling compression in ssh is just a flag, why can't I just disable it
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| 00:56 | <vagrantc> it's disabled by default
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| 00:56 | but encryption still happens
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| 00:56 | <jakobsg> OK, why is everything so slow then?
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| 00:57 | ah ok, there is compression elsewhere
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| 00:57 | ?
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| 00:57 | <vagrantc> because it's an encrypted connection
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| 00:57 | and encryption is slow
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| 00:57 | <jakobsg> OK, I have a secured and isolated network so I would like to disable encryption
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| 00:58 | <vagrantc> and there is a patch to do that.
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| 00:58 | <jakobsg> cool
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| 00:58 | could you point me in the right direction
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| 00:58 | <vagrantc> or you can set SCREEN_07=startx
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| 00:58 | and configure KDM to do XDMCP
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| 00:58 | but that will break support for local devices and sound, like i said earlier
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| 00:59 | <jakobsg> OK, so back to the LTSP 4 way
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| 00:59 | <vagrantc> or you can find the patch for LDM_DIRECTX support and apply that.
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| 00:59 | like i said earlier,.
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| 00:59 | <jakobsg> OK thanks, I'll try my luck, might come back later :-)
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| 01:00 | <vagrantc> search for LDM_DIRECTX
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| 01:01 | <jakobsg> vagrantc: Last thing: If I apply the LDM_DIRECTX patch, then I won't need to setup localdev and sound manually, right?
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| 01:03 | <vagrantc> might have to configure KDE to use esd as a sound output, but otherwise should work..
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| 01:06 | <jakobsg> OK, thanks a lot :-)
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| 01:07 | <vagrantc> ltspbot knows a URL for the patch, but i don't remember what it is
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| 01:07 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "knows" is not a valid command.
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| 01:18 | <jakobsg> vagrantc: OK, thanks I will go search now
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| 01:20 | vagrantc: is this it? http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-edu@lists.debian.org/msg11151.html
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| 01:22 | <vagrantc> if that applies cleanly to the LDM in ubuntu, then yes.
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| 01:23 | but i know there's another patch specifically for ubuntu somewhere
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| 01:23 | <jakobsg> OK
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| 09:08 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 11:47 | <jammcq> sbalneav: ping
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| 11:47 | <sbalneav> jammcq: hey there
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| 11:48 | <jammcq> hey, you back from the cabin?
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| 11:48 | <sbalneav> Yes! Had a great time.
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| 11:48 | <jammcq> cool
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| 11:49 | <sbalneav> Just sitting here with a coffee, and dealing with some bugs in Launchpad.
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| 11:49 | <jammcq> are those Launchpad bugs, or is launchpad holding the bugs ?
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| 11:50 | <sbalneav> LTSP bugs stored in launchpad. :)
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| 11:52 | I set myself up a Fedora box. Going to do some work over the next couple of weeks on getting a gutsy chroot to go in Fedora.
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| 11:53 | Seem to be a lot of people wanting ltsp5 in Fedora, but since little work's being done in that area, I figure I can maybe come up with a HOWTO to tide them over.
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| 11:53 | Heard anything from Eric about a native port?
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| 11:55 | <jammcq> what i'm hearing from Eric is that he's incredibly busy right now and not devoting much time to any ltsp development
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| 11:57 | <sbalneav> That's too bad.
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| 15:52 | <jakobsg> Hi there
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| 15:52 | I have installed LTSP 5 on kubuntu 7.04 - can't get localdev working, how do I debug?
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| 15:54 | As I remember there was a thorough step by step trobleshooter in shell mode for LTSP 4
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| 16:12 | <sbalneav> jakobsg: What are the symptoms?
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| 16:12 | Is the mount there in media?
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| 16:12 | ogra: Hey there
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| 16:13 | <jakobsg> Well, I plug the device in and nothing happens.
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| 16:13 | <sbalneav> With a device plugged in, do a "mount" command on the server.
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| 16:13 | paste the results to the pastebot
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| 16:13 | !pasetbot
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| 16:13 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "pasetbot" is not a valid command.
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| 16:13 | <sbalneav> !pastebot
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| 16:13 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 16:13 | <jakobsg> I found that x11-protocol for perl and fuse was not installed on the server, so I did that, but it didn't help
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| 16:14 | <sbalneav> Is ltspfs installed on the server?
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| 16:15 | <jakobsg> just a sec
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| 16:16 | no!
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| 16:16 | Is that really it...
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| 16:17 | Do I have to reboot the thin client to make it happen?
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| 16:17 | <sbalneav> To make what happen?
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| 16:18 | You'll need to have a thin client booted to see if the ltspfs mounts are happening, yes.
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| 16:18 | Kinda hard to test thin client local devices without a thin client :)
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| 16:19 | <jammcq> sbalneav: he's asking if he needs to REBOOT the client
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| 16:19 | <sbalneav> Ah, I saw "boot"
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| 16:19 | <jakobsg> Well, what I mentm is I am on o thin client now, but it doesn't work yet
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| 16:19 | <jammcq> actually, he just needs to logout and back in, eh?
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| 16:19 | <sbalneav> That should do it.
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| 16:19 | <jammcq> but he also needs to add himself to the fuse group
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| 16:20 | <sbalneav> That as well.
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| 16:20 | <jakobsg> OK I'll try it see ya soon
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| 16:20 | My user is member of fuse
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| 16:20 | don't worry :-)
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| 16:20 | rebooting
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| 16:33 | <jakobsg> Hi, I'm back
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| 16:33 | Didn't work
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| 16:34 | <sbalneav> ok, so what do you get when you plug in a device, and type "mount" on the server?
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| 16:34 | <jakobsg> I'll try, one sec
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| 16:34 | <sbalneav> And, as well, paste your lts.conf file to the pastebot.
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| 16:35 | <jakobsg> I'm a little new in irc I am embarresed to say - how do I do that ?
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| 16:36 | <sbalneav> !pastebot
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| 16:36 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 16:36 | <sbalneav> copy and paste the file to that address.
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| 16:36 | it will pop the link in here
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| 16:37 | <jakobsg> OK, first what am I looking for in themount list
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| 16:37 | <sbalneav> just paste the whole thing
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| 16:37 | <jakobsg> OK I'll try it
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| 16:41 | sorry, I'm using konversation for IRC, I cant see any way to paste to an address
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| 16:42 | <sbalneav> Did you paste the output of the mount command at pastebot.ltsp.org?
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| 16:42 | open a web browser
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| 16:42 | visit pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 16:42 | fill in your nic
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| 16:42 | paste the output of the mount command
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| 16:43 | <jakobsg> OK, now I with you :-)
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| 16:43 | <ltsppbot> "jakobsg" pasted "mount" (13 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/278
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| 16:44 | <jakobsg> And lts.conf comming up
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| 16:45 | <ltsppbot> "jakobsg" pasted "lts.conf" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/279
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| 16:47 | <sbalneav> Well, that sucked.
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| 16:47 | ok, I didn't see a mount.
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| 16:47 | Now, what distro are you running on?
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| 16:48 | <jakobsg> kubuntu 7.04
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| 16:49 | my user is in fuse, and I installed ltspfs
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| 16:49 | <sbalneav> Are you using ldm for the login manager?
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| 16:49 | <jakobsg> yes
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| 16:50 | I have patched it with LDM_DIRECTX
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| 16:50 | For better performance cause the clients are running in an isolated network
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| 16:52 | <sbalneav> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 16:52 | Step through that, specifically, setting the password in the chroot.
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| 16:53 | We'll need it for further debugging
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| 16:53 | <jakobsg> OK, thanks
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| 17:08 | <sbalneav> jakobsg: Any results?
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| 17:08 | <vagrantc> !localdev
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| 17:08 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: learn localdev as http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 17:09 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> !localdev
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| 17:09 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 17:09 | <jakobsg> Almost through
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| 17:10 | <sbalneav> I should add a bit more to that page.
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| 17:12 | <jakobsg> Bad news my system is all good on those checks
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| 17:12 | <sbalneav> ok, that's fine
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| 17:12 | lets try this then.
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| 17:14 | have a look in /tmp on the thin client.
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| 17:15 | <jakobsg> OK
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| 17:15 | One file
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| 17:16 | <sbalneav> on the thin client, logged in on the text terminal as root, you should be able to type: /usr/bin/ssh -S /tmp/.ltspfs_socket "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add"
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| 17:16 | <jakobsg> oh, there is a hidden one too .ltspfs-socket
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| 17:16 | <sbalneav> what happens when you type that.
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| 17:20 | <jakobsg> OK i became "me" user jakob
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| 17:21 | <sbalneav> You logged into the server?
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| 17:21 | <jakobsg> no that was from the client
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| 17:21 | repeating the task :-)
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| 17:21 | <sbalneav> Right, but you shouldn't have "become" anything, it should have executed the program "ltspfsmounter" up on the server.
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| 17:22 | It was supposed to have been on the client.
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| 17:22 | On the server, execute the following:
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| 17:22 | dpkg -l | grep ltspfs
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| 17:22 | after that, ls -l /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter
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| 17:22 | <jakobsg> OK, stop for a sec
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| 17:23 | Just to be sure here: I pressed CTRL-ALT-F1 to enter the client console
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| 17:24 | <sbalneav> yep
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| 17:24 | <jakobsg> Then I executed the command you gave me.
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| 17:24 | <sbalneav> the "ssh" command, yes
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| 17:24 | should have either given you an error, or done something.
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| 17:24 | /usr/bin/ssh -S /tmp/.ltspfs_socket "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add"
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| 17:25 | You need the quotes, BTW
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| 17:25 | <jakobsg> right, only the ltspfsmounter command did not exist, instead there is a ltspfs_mount command
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| 17:25 | Yes I used quotes
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| 17:26 | <sbalneav> the ltspfsmounter command is up on the server
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| 17:26 | when you do that ssh mount, you're executing a command on the server.
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| 17:26 | <jakobsg> OK, I'm with younow, we are running a command from the client on the server
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| 17:26 | <sbalneav> so what EXACTLY did it say when you executed that command.
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| 17:26 | <jakobsg> yeah, just my words
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| 17:27 | <sbalneav> before, you told me: OK i became "me" user jakob
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| 17:27 | what did it say EXACTLY
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| 17:27 | <jakobsg> I need to do it again, because of my misunderstanding
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| 17:27 | on sec
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| 17:28 | OK now the command is executed
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| 17:30 | Still I get logged in as jakob on the server
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| 17:31 | <sbalneav> so, you're STAYING on logged in on the server?
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| 17:31 | <jakobsg> yes
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| 17:31 | <sbalneav> it should just execute the command, and then you're back on the client as root.
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| 17:32 | ok, then lets look on the server now
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| 17:33 | the mount command should show an ltspfs mount of /tmp on the thin client.
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| 17:33 | mounted to /media/jakob/tmp
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| 17:35 | <jakobsg> you meen /media/jakob/tmp on the server right
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| 17:35 | <sbalneav> correct
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| 17:35 | <jakobsg> nothing
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| 17:35 | <sbalneav> on the server:
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| 17:35 | dpkg -l | grep ltspfs
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| 17:35 | and
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| 17:36 | ls -al /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter
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| 17:36 | <jakobsg> yes, don't worry they are there
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| 17:36 | <sbalneav> I'm not worried
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| 17:36 | <jakobsg> :-)
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| 17:36 | <sbalneav> Please paste the results of those two commands
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| 17:38 | <ltsppbot> "jakobsg" pasted "debugging localdev" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/280
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| 17:39 | <sbalneav> Ok, back on the thin client, lets try this.
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| 17:39 | On the character console, as root.
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| 17:39 | <jakobsg> ready
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| 17:40 | <sbalneav> /usr/bin/ssh -S /tmp/.ltspfs_socket "date"
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| 17:40 | Do you get the output of the date?
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| 17:41 | <jakobsg> well, I don't end back as root on the client. The only date I see is the last logged in date
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| 17:42 | <sbalneav> ok, something's wrong with the control socket connection between you and the server.
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| 17:43 | <jakobsg> I need to get one thing straight. I have been using LTSP 4.2 up until now. If I wanted a client console then, I would add SCREEN_02=shell in the lts.conf
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| 17:43 | In LTSP5 I am assuming that ctrl-alt-f1 is the same - right?
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| 17:44 | <sbalneav> correct,.
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| 17:44 | <jakobsg> I am just puzzled why the console thinks it's name is ltsp1 like my server??
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| 17:45 | <sbalneav> Because you built the chroot on the server
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| 17:45 | so it inherited it's hostname.
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| 17:45 | <jakobsg> shouldn't it be named something like ws001 or something?
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| 17:45 | Are we getting somewhere now ??
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| 17:45 | :-)
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| 17:45 | <sbalneav> No.
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| 17:45 | We're not.
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| 17:45 | <jakobsg> :-(
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| 17:46 | <sbalneav> Could you please paste your lts.conf file to the pastebot?
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| 17:46 | <jakobsg> Already did
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| 17:47 | <sbalneav> Didn't see it.
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| 17:47 | Was that when I crashed?
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| 17:47 | <ltsppbot> "jakobsg" pasted "lts.conf" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/281
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| 17:47 | <jakobsg> here it is again
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| 17:48 | <sbalneav> ok, looks normal.
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| 17:48 | <jakobsg> I'm going for coffee back in a sec
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| 17:48 | <sbalneav> uhh
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| 17:48 | Ok, I might not be here when you get back
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| 17:48 | <cliebow> how was camping?
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| 17:49 | <sbalneav> It was fine.
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| 17:49 | <cliebow> we ad cool thundserstorms last couple nights
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| 17:49 | damn good breeze norwest now
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| 17:50 | maybe down around 40 tonight..
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| 17:51 | <jakobsg> back now
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| 17:51 | <cliebow> guillemots going to...8~( winterplumage
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| 17:53 | <jakobsg> sbalneav: Am I to late?
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| 17:54 | <sbalneav> Dude, you want my help, stick around for it.
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| 17:55 | ok, we need to sort out why your ssh control sockets's not acting correctly
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| 17:55 | <jakobsg> sorry
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| 17:55 | <sbalneav> You still have the original ldm kicking around, right?
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| 17:56 | <jakobsg> Well I had to patch it in order to use ldm_directx
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| 17:56 | <sbalneav> Right, but you saved a backup copy, correct?
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| 17:56 | <jakobsg> in other words encryption - disabled
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| 17:56 | yes
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| 17:56 | <sbalneav> ok, so lets put that one back. Save the patched one somewhere.
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| 17:57 | <jakobsg> OK
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| 17:57 | <sbalneav> reboot the client, and we'll take it from there.
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| 18:00 | <jakobsg> ok rebooting client
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| 18:04 | <jakobsg> back to original ldm
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| 18:04 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 18:04 | So, on control-alt-f1
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| 18:04 | ssh -S /tmp/.ltspfs_socket "date" should give you the date.
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| 18:04 | <jakobsg> same command
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| 18:04 | right
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| 18:05 | <sbalneav> So, it returns the date?
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| 18:06 | <jakobsg> no, and the client still thinks it's hostname is the same as the server
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| 18:07 | <sbalneav> That's ok, I explained that already.
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| 18:07 | It won't change.
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| 18:07 | <jakobsg> ok
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| 18:07 | <sbalneav> Have you done anything to your ssh config file up on the server?
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| 18:08 | <jakobsg> no
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| 18:08 | <sbalneav> Hold on, let me double check something...
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| 18:14 | <sbalneav> ok, try this: /usr/bin/ssh -S /tmp/.ltspfs_socket server "date"
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| 18:14 | <jakobsg> yep
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| 18:14 | <sbalneav> That return the date?
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| 18:15 | <jakobsg> OK, that wen't more like you expected
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| 18:15 | yes a date
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| 18:15 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 18:15 | <jakobsg> now the other command?
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| 18:15 | <sbalneav> Try the ltspfsmounter /tmp add one
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| 18:18 | <jakobsg> OK, it says permission denied, although the user is member of fuse
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| 18:19 | failed to open /dev/fuse
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| 18:19 | <sbalneav> well, lets check /dev/fuse
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| 18:19 | should be 660, root and fuse
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| 18:20 | crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 2007-08-18 16:42 /dev/fuse
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| 18:20 | <jakobsg> crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 229 2007-08-18 12:20 /dev/fuse
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| 18:20 | fuse group
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| 18:20 | <sbalneav> ok, that's not right
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| 18:20 | it's root root
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| 18:20 | <jakobsg> but, why? I installed it using apt-get
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| 18:21 | that is an udev rule to be chaneged, right?
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| 18:22 | <sbalneav> Do you have a /etc/udev/rules.d/45-fuse.rules?
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| 18:22 | <jakobsg> yes, I was just looking at that: KERNEL=="fuse", GROUP="fuse"
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| 18:23 | <sbalneav> Have you restarted udev and reloaded fuse since you added the fuse package?
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| 18:23 | rmmod fuse
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| 18:23 | invoke-rc.d udev reload
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| 18:23 | modprobe fuse
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| 18:23 | <jakobsg> restarting udev
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| 18:24 | <sbalneav> Hmmm, scrolling back up, when I pointed you at the wiki page:
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| 18:24 | "Bad news my system is all good on those checks"
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| 18:25 | Guess I should make it more clear that the group should be fuse.
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| 18:26 | <jakobsg> Maybe, if you don't know precisely what you are looking for, you easill miss something like that .
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| 18:27 | <sbalneav> Fixed, now
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| 18:27 | <jakobsg> espacially having an uid and gid with four letters
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| 18:27 | <sbalneav> ?
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| 18:27 | <jakobsg> root fuse
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| 18:27 | Thanks for all your help!
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| 18:27 | <sbalneav> ok, plug something in, see if it mounts under /media
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| 18:29 | <jakobsg> not under media
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| 18:30 | <cliebow> Scott Rocks!
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| 18:30 | <jakobsg> but, I got this on the servers fstab now: /tmp/.jakob-ltspfs/usbdisk-sdb1
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| 18:30 | <sbalneav> there should be a link to it in media/jakob
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| 18:31 | <jakobsg> there isn't
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| 18:32 | <sbalneav> So there's nothing under /media/jakob?
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| 18:32 | <jakobsg> but the drive is in fact mounted correctly to /tmp/.jakob-ltspfs/usbdisk-sdb1 on the server, just checked, files are there.
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| 18:33 | <ltsppbot> "jakobsg" pasted "fstab on ltspserver" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/282
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| 18:33 | <sbalneav> It won't be in the fstab
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| 18:33 | since it's a link.
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| 18:33 | ls -la /media/jacob
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| 18:34 | <jakobsg> OK, sorry, yes it is there
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| 18:34 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 18:34 | <jakobsg> and files are there
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| 18:34 | <sbalneav> So, if you browse there with konq, your files are there.
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| 18:34 | <jakobsg> just no Icon on the thin client
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| 18:34 | <sbalneav> No.
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| 18:34 | Not under kde.
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| 18:35 | <jakobsg> ah, ok
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| 18:35 | <sbalneav> In nautilus, it was patched to watch for new files under /media/<username>
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| 18:35 | Until we make ltspfs mounts hal aware, they're slightly non standard.
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| 18:36 | ok, glad we got it going.
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| 18:36 | I'
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| 18:36 | <jakobsg> Me to
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| 18:36 | <sbalneav> I'm off to cook dinner. I'll be afk for awhile.
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| 18:36 | <jakobsg> I could use inotify to pick it up
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| 18:36 | <sbalneav> could
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| 18:36 | <jakobsg> OK, you've deserved it
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| 19:21 | <jamie> any one got skype working with ltsp?
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| 19:44 | <sbalneav> jamie: No, sorry, I've never used skype, only ekiga
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| 19:45 | <jamie> sbalneav my sound does not work with ekiga either maybe you could help me here?
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| 19:46 | <sbalneav> ok, can you get any sound out of the ltsp workstation?
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| 19:51 | <jamie> sbalneav:do you know is skype supported by ekiga? Or can you suggest a voip provider how is as it now seems that it is working.
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| 19:53 | <sbalneav> No, skype is a propriatary protocol, IIRC, whereas ekiga uses the free protocols.
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| 19:54 | I'm not really an expert in voip. I've used ekiga a few times, and I own a linksys phone connected to a buddies asterisk server, but I don't really know what I'm doing :)
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| 19:55 | <jamie> ok thanks. I will mess with ekiga now I have sound thanks
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| 20:48 | <Lumiere> I use skype
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