IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 15 May 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:39 | <amefad> Hello, I've succesfully installed ltsp in my school, but now I'm not able to set-up web filterd access with squid... does anyody alredy done it?
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| 08:06 | <xara> alkisg: Άλκη καλημερα.
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| 08:06 | <alkisg> Καλημέρα xara
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| 08:06 | !greek
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| 08:06 | <ltsp> greek: Στο παρόν κανάλι μιλάνε μόνο Αγγλικά, για υποστήριξη στα Ελληνικά από την υπηρεσία Τεχνικής Στήριξης ΣΕΠΕΗΥ διαβάστε το http://ts.sch.gr/wiki/IRC και στη συνέχεια πληκτρολογήστε /j #ts.sch.gr
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| 08:07 | <alkisg> xara: γράψε αυτό όπως είσαι τώρα: /j #ts.sch.gr
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| 14:04 | <Faith_> hello, I'm having a problem with LTSP and domain (AD) users. I'm using Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS.
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| 14:04 | the LTSP server is a AD member, and I can login in thin clients with the users of AD. the problem is when I try to login a user from a trust domain, that I have to use DOMAIN\user.
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| 14:04 | I can login in server using: ssh DOMAIN\\user@localhost
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| 14:04 | but on LDM login interface, if I use DOMAIN\user I receive the message "no response from server, restaring".
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| 14:05 | and if I use DOMAIN\\user, it appears to login, but LDM login screen open again.
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| 14:05 | from logs I could see that the second method make the ssh connection, but ldm log shows:
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| 14:05 | ldm[1335]: calling rc.d start scripts
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| 14:05 | ldm[1335]: starting X session
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| 14:05 | ltsp-localappsd: Unknown user: DOMAIN\\user
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| 14:05 | ldm[1335]: X session ended
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| 14:06 | to me appears to be a ldm problem using the \\, anyone knows how can I make it works?
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| 14:09 | <||cw> will it also accept DOMAIN/user ?
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| 14:10 | <Faith_> no, "no responsing from server"
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| 14:44 | <Chap> alkisg: Nice! My NBD problem is making its way to kernel -stable: http://sourceforge.net/p/ltsp/mailman/message/32333612/
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| 14:45 | <alkisg> Chap: have you verified that this is indeed your issue?
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| 14:45 | Because last time I heard from you, the problem was not in nbd...
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| 14:57 | <vmlintu> Chap: to make sure that it's the bug you are experiencing, here's a patched kernel you can try: http://archive.opinsys.fi/kernels/pool/trusty/main/l/linux/
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| 14:57 | <alkisg> I think Chap tried the nbd-client command from the initramfs, and it succeeded each time
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| 14:57 | !nbd-client
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| 14:57 | <ltsp> nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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| 14:57 | <alkisg> vmlintu: if boot fails, and that command works, then it's not that kernel issue, right?
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| 14:58 | <vmlintu> alkisg: nbd-client works always from command line after it fails in initramfs as the source port is always incremented by one for each try
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| 14:58 | <alkisg> vmlintu: so, it would fail in the initramfs if you run it one time, and then reset the client, and then try again?
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| 14:59 | ...as it would try in "constant port + 1" both times?
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| 14:59 | <vmlintu> alkisg: the first try in initramfs scripts uses constant port and after that constant+1, constant+2, constant+3
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| 15:00 | <alkisg> Let me rephrase.... 1) It succeeds on boot. Reset. 2) It fails on boot. 3) It succeeds from initramfs cmdline. Reboot. 4) It fails both on boot and from initramfs cmdline, as both ports are now in use.
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| 15:00 | Correct?
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| 15:01 | I.e. if one tries 5 times from the initramfs, and reboots, then on the next boot, it would fail the first 5 times, and only succeed in the 6th try...
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| 15:01 | <vmlintu> alkisg: depends on if the second nbd-client connection was still active when it was rebooted. Pressing ctrl-c closes the connection and it works the next time again
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> Right, assuming one presses the reset button on the computer, without Ctrl+C
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| 15:01 | Connections then would stay up for 2h 11m...
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| 15:01 | <Chap> Sorry, ran over to kick the client
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| 15:02 | Should the default timeout of 0 address/mask an issue like this? http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man5/nbd-server.5.html
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> vmlintu: also, nbd-disconnect properly disconnects nbd-client, so the kernel bug should only be there on crashes, right?
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| 15:03 | <Chap> alkisg: Last troubleshoot was /tmp/net-eth0.conf exists as symlink to /run/net-eth0.conf but /run/net-eth0.conf did not exist. However, a restart of NBD *always* fixes the issue.
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> !nbd-client
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| 15:04 | <ltsp> nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> Chap: didn't that command *always* work for you?
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| 15:04 | <Chap> No.
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> I thought you said it did, ok
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| 15:04 | <vmlintu> alkisg: if nbd-disconnect works, then the bug shouldn't show up
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> vmlintu: where do you see this bug? 14.04?
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| 15:05 | <vmlintu> alkisg: 12.10 and 14.04 with kernels >=3.13
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> 12.10 has the old version, ok there
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> But 14.04 has the new nbd-disconnect version... I don't understand why the connection would still be active after client shutdown/reboot
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| 15:06 | <vmlintu> well, we do a lot of forced reboots..
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> Sure, ok that would trigger it. But if you see nbd-disconnect not working, I'd be interested in hearing about it.
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| 15:07 | <vmlintu> I haven't really looked into that lately, but I'll have a look
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> Just monitor syslog on the server during normal use (non forced reboots), it should show proper disconnects
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| 15:08 | <vmlintu> we have to dig into nbd-server again sometime soon as we've had still crashing a few times during last month or so
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| 15:09 | * alkisg wishes aoe supported dynamically created exports... | |
| 15:09 | <alkisg> (for swap)
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| 15:10 | <vmlintu> now we are debugging an NFSv4 issue that causes havoc on ltsp servers that mount homes from elsewhere
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| 15:11 | <Chap> Glad we didn't go that route; lsyncd for us
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| 15:11 | <vmlintu> Chap: what kind of setup do you have?
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| 15:13 | <wouter> vmlintu: crashes in nbd-server or in the client?
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| 15:13 | <vmlintu> wouter: nbd-server has just died
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| 15:13 | <wouter> vmlintu: which version are you running?
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| 15:14 | <vmlintu> wouter: I think it's 3.3
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| 15:14 | It may have some patches Tuomas sent to the list
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| 15:15 | <wouter> vmlintu: can you double-check that?
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| 15:16 | <wouter> vmlintu: if it's an unmodified version and it crashes, I want to know about it (and possibly fix it)...
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| 15:17 | <vmlintu> wouter: I'll ask him tomorrow when he's back. It shouldn't at least have any patches that are not in later upstream versions.
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| 15:17 | <Chap> vmlintu: 4 servers, /home sync'd using lsync
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| 15:17 | <wouter> vmlintu: fair enough
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| 15:17 | <Chap> (servers in different cities with traveling staff)
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| 15:19 | <vmlintu> wouter: but I remember hearing only about two or three crashes in a month on some 150 servers where that version is running, so it's not really common either..
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| 15:19 | <wouter> vmlintu: do you have a backtrace or something?
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| 15:20 | <vmlintu> wouter: probably not, but I have to check
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| 15:21 | <vmlintu> but we'll work on this nfs issue first anyway before spending much time on nbd
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| 15:21 | <wouter> sure
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| 15:21 | <vmlintu> Chap: ok, so you plenty of time to sync them before people actually travel to use the other server?
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| 15:24 | <Chap> vmlintu: Yup, though lsyncd is pretty quick.
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| 15:25 | Two offices are right down the street, so min is probably 3 minutes between changing servers.
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| 15:26 | btsync may also be an option; It's simple and works, but haven't multi-homed it before.. just one Windows client sync'ing with one Ubuntu server.
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| 15:26 | <vmlintu> Chap: do you have servers in clusters or always just one server?
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| 15:26 | per location I mean
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| 15:29 | <Chap> Just one per location. Was easier to throw an extra few hundred bucks at RAM than to throw time at clustering
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| 15:31 | <vmlintu> Do you use also laptops?
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| 15:33 | <Chap> Yup, but they're autonomous, not for /home
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| 15:33 | Wait. I lied. We have 2 Win7 laptops that btsync \User\Whatever to server:/home/user
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| 15:34 | <vmlintu> ok.. File access from laptops is one of my biggest headaches right now.
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| 15:36 | <vmlintu> Chap: do you have an environment to test the patched kernels?
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| 15:38 | <Chap> btsync works well if you can sync the user's entire home dir. Downside is (at least the way I set it up) the btsync daemon is one per user, so you're configuring for every user that needs to sync
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| 15:39 | <vmlintu> Chap: yep.. I'd really like something that uses kerberos to authenticate the users..
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| 15:39 | <Chap> I have an environment but I've not tested a patched kernel before so it might take me awhile to dig into specifying a single image for a single client
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| 15:39 | btsync is PSK
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| 15:42 | <vmlintu> Chap: ok.. I hope it fixes for you, but cannot be really sure..
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| 15:42 | <Chap> Dig thanks mate
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| 15:43 | <vmlintu> Maybe I should try btsync someday.. I'd just like to have the sources..
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| 15:45 | * Chap nods | |
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| 16:47 | <santos> greetings
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| 16:47 | is there something that I can use to lock web browser windows for a certain time that do not permit any work outside that window?
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| 16:48 | I know this is not ltsp specific but I am trying to do it in a ltsp enviroment
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| 16:48 | I am runnung edubuntu
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| 16:49 | <||cw> santos: like a kiosk?
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| 16:49 | <santos> yeapp but manually
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| 16:49 | is for student to take a test
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| 16:49 | so they don't cheat
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| 16:50 | like a group student goes into the lab ready for that test. I can lock the desktop so they just have access to the browser they have on screen
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| 16:51 | have you heard of lockdown browsers
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| 16:55 | <santos> maybe I could create a user and only allow to you the browser
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| 16:55 | but then how to force it to only one tab and window
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| 16:55 | to use*
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> santos: customized browser app from Ubuntu: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/webbrowser-app
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| 17:07 | You can probably use that one...
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| 17:07 | Not at all LTSP specific though... so better asked in #ubuntu, not here
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| 17:08 | That browser app doesn't have an address bar or a context menu etc, so you can more easily restrict it
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| 17:33 | <santos> thanks brooooooo
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| 17:35 | <santos> the only problem is I need chrome
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| 18:05 | <bennabiy> alkisg: Quick couple of questions... It seems I cannot mount USB thumbdrives on my fat clients...
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| 18:05 | What am I doing wrong?
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| 18:05 | * alkisg is always afraid of quick questions that usually take a couple of hours to answer... :) | |
| 18:06 | <bennabiy> naah, I do not have a couple hours :)
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| 18:06 | <alkisg> Neither do I, no worries :)
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| 18:06 | * bennabiy cheers for alkisg | |
| 18:06 | <alkisg> Which distro/version? Mint?
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| 18:07 | <bennabiy> mint 16 right now
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| 18:07 | <alkisg> Where does that map to? Ubuntu 13.x?
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| 18:07 | <bennabiy> 13.10
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| 18:07 | <alkisg> It might be using systemd, and not have the latest patches that I sent that make the local user "active"
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| 18:07 | Use a later version of ltsp....
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| 18:07 | systemd-logind, that is
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| 18:08 | <bennabiy> I am using my ppa, which has not been updated in a little while.. yes I think it is using systemd
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| 18:08 | <alkisg> Check the latest ldm-trunk commits, there's a commit about systemd-logind there
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| 18:08 | <bennabiy> my changes for mint support did not make it into 13.10, so I needed to use my ppa
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| 18:08 | until 14.04 / mint 17
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| 18:10 | one thing I found for screen locking is that if I just do a simple root shell, and then issue passwd username then I can use screen locking and anything else that needs a password (without it having to match my system pass for authentication)
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| 18:10 | seems it would not be too hard to implement a password hash in at login
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| 18:10 | I could not get remoteapps to work
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| 18:11 | is there a secret to doing it on fat client using ltsp-pnp method?
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| 18:11 | * bennabiy pours forth the "quick questions..." | |
| 18:12 | <alkisg> The correct way to do the hash is in ldm/ssh.c
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| 18:13 | It shouldn't need more than a couple of hours to someone that knows his way around glib
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| 18:16 | <bennabiy> When I get home I will look into it.
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| 18:16 | any thoughts on the remoteapps issue?
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| 18:16 | doing ltsp-remoteapps mate-screensaver or something like that does nothing
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| 18:17 | <alkisg> Dunno, I think vagrantc is using remote screensavers though
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| 18:17 | <bennabiy> He suggested it
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| 18:18 | <bennabiy> Thank you anyway, I do not want to take up too much of your time
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| 18:23 | <alkisg> Start with ltsp-remoteapps xterm
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| 18:31 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: i think remoteapps aredisaled by default
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| 18:31 | bennabiy: enable with LTP_REMOTEAPPS=true ?
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| 18:31 | haven't used it in a while
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| 19:39 | <santos> lets say I want to install an extension to local apps firefox
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| 19:40 | how do I do what without doing it for every user?
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| 19:40 | what=that
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| 19:45 | install firefox in the chroot
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| 19:46 | but how do I install an extension to be in every installation
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| 20:02 | <rafepren> santos, look that http://www.chromium.org/administrators/policy-list-3#ExtensionInstallForcelist
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| 20:04 | <santos> firefox ?
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| 20:04 | <rafepren> santos, oops
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| 20:08 | <||cw> santos: the same way you'd do it on the host, but in the chroot instead
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| 20:08 | <santos> how I do that?
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| 20:09 | <||cw> ask firefox?
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| 20:09 | <santos> osk
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| 20:12 | <rafepren> santos, y eso? http://kb.mozillazine.org/Installing_extensions#Global_installation
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| 20:14 | santos, despues puedes usar 'extensions.enabledAddons' para habilitar
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| 20:14 | <santos> hey gracias hermano
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| 20:23 | <championofcyrodi> Ubuntu 14.04 LTSP Thick Client: Keyring freezes and runs the gnome-keyring-daemon, which ends up creating hundreds of thousands of default.keyring.temp-xxxxxxxx files in the /home/user/.local/share/keyring folder. Fixed by killing the daemon, and using find /home/user/.local/share/keyring -type f -delete
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| 20:29 | Not sure how to actually make the keyring though :(
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| 20:42 | <santos> oook I found the solutions for global extension installation
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| 20:43 | I can't just find mozilla extensions directory in chroot
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| 20:43 | normally is in /usr/share/mozilla/extensions/{appid}
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| 20:50 | where is mozilla extensions folder in chroot?
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| 21:13 | <santos> I really need to make a global extension installation in the chroot
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| 21:14 | <rafepren> santos, creo que eso es indiferente, solo necessitas que los archivos esteen en una carpeta con las permisiones correctas
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| 21:14 | <santos> so every user has it by default for firefox
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| 21:14 | yo los copie a ~/.mozilla/extensions
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| 21:14 | le hice un chmod -R 755
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| 21:15 | <rafepren> santos, si quieres que el usuario no remueva las extensions no podras hacer eso en la home
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| 21:16 | <santos> yo quiero rafepren ue mozilla me abra con la extension r-kiosk
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| 21:16 | <elias_a> Hienoa - lisää vieraita kieliä!
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| 21:17 | That is "Splendid - more foreign languages!" in Finnish ;-)
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| 21:21 | <santos> has anyone here installed an extension for firefox for all users ?
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| 21:33 | <santos> I'll be back !!!
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| 22:01 | <santos> does any one have a working ltsp enviroment with a school?
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| 22:03 | have you had the need to install firefox add-ons to the ltsp image for firefox to auto install
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| 22:03 | could you tell me how
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| 22:04 | ?
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