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Channel log from 1 July 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:20 | <sunru> hello
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| 00:22 | i have a t5735 thin client it was refurbished but they forgot to supply a fresh image, so I can't login to the thin client and also the bios has a password :/
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| 00:45 | doesn't matter anyhow i guess
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| 00:59 | <fotanus> sunru: did you tried to open it up and remove the battery?
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| 01:00 | <sunru> Yeh I could do that thanks.
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| 01:00 | <fotanus> np, i hope it works
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| 01:00 | <sunru> but I don't really need to the bios is set up ok.
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| 01:01 | i have it booted.
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| 01:01 | <fotanus> nice :)
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| 01:01 | <sunru> I got it for $190AUD :O
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| 01:01 | <fotanus> o.O
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| 01:01 | <sunru> refurbished and repacked and sealed by HP
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| 01:01 | <fotanus> where did you got it?
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| 01:02 | <sunru> ebay, i know they are twice as much on int. ebay, but i got it from ebay.au
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| 01:04 | <fotanus> hum, nice :)
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| 01:05 | i should not buy from ebay cause i'm brazillian
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| 01:05 | <sunru> how should that matter :)
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| 01:05 | <fotanus> ;)
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| 01:11 | <sunru> ebay makes me nervous, got a banged rack server and had to return it.
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| 01:11 | <fotanus> happens some times
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| 01:12 | but usualy is a good place to make a cheap deal
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| 01:12 | <sunru> yeh i did ok on the t5735 :)
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| 01:12 | need a few more :)
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| 01:13 | <fotanus> the bad part about it is just the stock of products
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| 01:13 | i was thinking in buy one thin client to study...
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| 01:15 | <sunru> just PXE
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| 01:15 | boots right up, like any other computer.
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| 01:17 | <fotanus> hum, ok, thanks for the tip
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| 03:04 | <try2free> hi
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| 03:05 | anybody know how to make sound using Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER?
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| 07:03 | <pmatulis> having trouble with FF as local app, i have internet access on the client console but not with FF local app
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| 07:04 | <alkisg> pmatulis: is that ubuntu?
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| 07:04 | <pmatulis> alkisg: yes, jaunty
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| 07:04 | <alkisg> pmatulis: have you set dns and search domain in lts.conf?
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| 07:05 | <pmatulis> alkisg: well i have internet on the console so all that stuff is clear
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| 07:05 | <alkisg> pmatulis: which console? The local one, or are you talking about gnome-terminal?
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| 07:06 | <pmatulis> alkisg: no, the actual client console
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| 07:06 | alkisg: i install 'links' and i can browse the web
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| 07:06 | <alkisg> Erm, and firefox cannot?
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| 07:06 | <pmatulis> right
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| 07:06 | and it's running on the console
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| 07:06 | sorry, on the client
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| 07:07 | <alkisg> Any firewall/proxy issues?
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| 07:07 | (still, why would links work, then?)
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| 07:07 | <pmatulis> why would one browser work and not another? right
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| 07:09 | <alkisg> pmatulis: e.g. one may specify that firefox uses a proxy, so it wouldn't work while links would
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| 07:14 | pmatulis: also, someone said that he needed to clear the cache and press F5 for firefox to work as a localapp. And also, see if the "offline mode" is activated.
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| 07:50 | <moldy> pmatulis: error message from ff is?
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| 07:50 | <pmatulis> alkisg: offline mode activated will never work. did i understand you correctly?
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| 07:51 | <alkisg> Yes, I mean that if it's activated, you should deactivate it.
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| 07:54 | <pmatulis> moldy: it's as if there is a problem with DNS, but i've put in an IP address, reverse resolution brings back the name, and then it's like it doesn't have forward resolution (Address Not Found)
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| 08:12 | <moldy> pmatulis: what is the actual error message in which case?
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| 08:13 | <pmatulis> Address Not Found
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| 08:13 | <moldy> pmatulis: and if you put an ip in the address bar?
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| 08:14 | <pmatulis> moldy: i believe i've already gone over this. see my last comments
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| 08:14 | <moldy> pmatulis: your comments are unclear to me
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| 08:15 | if you give ff an ip, it should not do reverse solution
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| 08:15 | that would be pretty much nonsense
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| 08:16 | it should give you some kind of error message relating to that ip, and that error message is interesting
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| 08:16 | <pmatulis> try it yourself
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| 08:16 | you'll see that it is normal behaviour
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| 08:16 | <moldy> i did just try it
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| 08:16 | i don't see that behaviour here
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| 08:17 | <pmatulis> you don't get a name in the address bar?
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| 08:17 | <moldy> no
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| 08:17 | of course not. that would be nonsense, it would break vhosts!
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| 08:17 | for http, localhost and 127.0.0.1 are 2 different hosts
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| 08:19 | <moldy> so, if you want further assistance, please provide the complete real error messages from firefox
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| 08:20 | <moldy> i am petty sure ff says more than "address not found"
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| 08:20 | at least on my machine, it says something like "cannot connect to <server>"
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| 08:21 | <Gadi> pmatulis: do: ltsp-localapps xterm and in the xtrem window, type: ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
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| 08:21 | * Gadi suspects you have the chmod 000 resolv.conf bug | |
| 08:21 | <moldy> Gadi: he says that other apps like links can use dns fine
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| 08:21 | <Gadi> ah
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| 08:22 | <pmatulis> Gadi: yes, i can browse the web on the client console
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| 08:23 | <moldy> if you just give me the actual error messages, i might be able to help... otherwise, i'm going to take a shower now :)
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| 09:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> can anyone give me a hint about creating a xorg.conf in ubuntu 9.04? is there one created by booting w/ltsp?
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| 09:53 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: can you be more specific? what do you need?
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| 10:00 | <stgraber> _UsUrPeR_: we don't use xorg.conf anymore with ubuntu 9.04, as in you don't get a whole xorg.conf file generated
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| 10:00 | _UsUrPeR_: though we have variable in lts.conf and scripts to tweak some part of the X configuration
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| 10:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg/stgraber: I'm trying to get a touchscreen working with 9.04
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| 10:00 | <stgraber> _UsUrPeR_: these will generate a partial xorg.conf that'll go in /var/run/ltsp-xorg.conf
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| 10:01 | do you know what you need to add to your xorg.conf to make it working ?
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| 10:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> and it appears that X_TOUCH_MAXX et al are not working properly when put into lts.conf
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| 10:01 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: what's the exact xorg snippet you need to add? Could you pastebin it?
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| 10:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: I had understood that it was USE_TOUCH = Y, and all the screen settings
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| 10:02 | alkisg: ok :)
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| 10:03 | <stgraber> yeah, that bit changed, I guess it'll be part of the updated documentation
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| 10:04 | for now the easiest is to know what you need in your xorg.conf to make it work, then we'll figure out how to either make it work with regular lts.conf or write a script for it to be put in /usr/share/ltsp/screen-session.d
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| 10:04 | <stgraber> the later having the advantage that we could make it work automatically without any need of touching lts.conf
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| 10:04 | and so could put that code upstream and have that kind of touchscreen working automatically for everyone
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| 10:04 | <ltsppbot> "_UsUrPeR_" pasted "touche screen requirements" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/391
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| 10:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> there you go
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| 10:05 | <stgraber> though that'll probably depend on if you need to do some calibration first, that may make things harder to have working automatically
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| 10:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber/alkisg: that's all I want put into the system. If I can use lts.conf to do that somehow, that's fine
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| 10:06 | I would prefer it to be in the lts.conf
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| 10:06 | <stgraber> _UsUrPeR_: that looks like lts.conf, not xorg.conf ...
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| 10:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: correct. I'll need to figure out the exact nomenclature after I had generated the xorg.conf. I didn't realize that making an xorg.conf was not possible :(
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| 10:07 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: I meant, if you didn't use ltsp, what would you need to put to xorg.conf to make it work?
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| 10:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> the settings that I copy-pasted, I assume, would be what is required in some way, shape or form
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| 10:09 | <stgraber> nah, you can't put that in a xorg.conf on a regular desktop
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| 10:09 | driver would be: Driver "elographics"
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| 10:09 | and options usually: Option "option name" "option value"
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| 10:10 | all that in a xorg.conf section with the appropriate name and an identifier
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| 10:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, no problem
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| 10:11 | <alkisg> stgraber: is configure-x.sh still used in jaunty? I think the touch* options are still there..
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| 10:12 | <stgraber> alkisg: no
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| 10:13 | alkisg: we stopped using it when we implemented screen-session.d
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| 10:13 | <alkisg> Ah, ok, so no dice :)
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| 10:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> gimme a second guys
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| 10:14 | stgraber/alkisg: I appreciate your help, but I have a pressing matter I need to attend to at the moment. Can we revisit this in about 30 minutes when I have finished this project?
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| 10:14 | <alkisg> np
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| 10:23 | <stgraber> alkisg: well, configure-x.sh was quite ugly, screen-session.d is from my point of view a lot better but some stuff still needs to be ported to it and the doc updated
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| 10:23 | though for most current touchscreens, configuration doesn't happen in X anymore
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| 10:23 | but with hal
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| 10:24 | <alkisg> Ah. And now that we're moving away from hal, that will also change... fun :)
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| 10:24 | <antgel> hi, can somebody remind me of the kernel command line hack to make ipconfig use the ip address that pxe receieved from the dhcp server? (i have two dhcp servers on this network...)
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| 10:24 | <stgraber> but AFAIK it's not the case for the elographics ones, at least not for the serial one I have at the office
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| 10:24 | <alkisg> antgel: IPAPPEND 3 in pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 10:25 | antgel: and you might want to look at this alternative: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 10:27 | <stgraber> alkisg: btw, did you start looking at udhcpc ? I poke some people from the MIR team so they're going to review it soon
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| 10:28 | <alkisg> stgraber: nope, but I want to start it real soon, like, tomorrow. Can I ask you some questions about it?
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| 10:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: FYI this is a USB touch screen
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| 10:28 | <alkisg> stgraber: the full ip kernel parameter goes like this: <client-ip>:<server-ip>:<gw-ip>:<netmask>:<hostname>:<device>:<autoconf>
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| 10:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> the actual problem I am having is: the pointer detection is running on an 800x600 size while the monitor is 1024x768 resolution. Also, vertical points are reversed
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| 10:30 | <alkisg> So, I want to support as much as possible; e.g. if someone only provides a server-ip and autoconf=dhcp, that means to me: do a dhcp, and override the server with the requested server-ip. That would solve a lot of problems in weird configurations, while still conforming to the defined kernel parameters. What do you think?
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| 10:30 | <stgraber> right, that can be done in the shell script handling udhcpc
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| 10:31 | basically udhcpc gives you a set of environment variables, then it's up to you to deal with them
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| 10:31 | my current script simply sets everything but you could check the value of ip and only set a few of them
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> Right, and call ifconfig if e.g. a static IP is requested (by e.g. IPAPPEND 3)
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| 10:31 | Well, I can start it tomorrow, test it for a couple of days, and have a suggestion by Monday, is that ok?
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| 10:32 | <stgraber> it already calls ifconfig at the moment but to set the IP it got from DHCP
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| 10:32 | <alkisg> Ah, udhcpc doesn't set it itself?
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| 10:32 | <stgraber> no
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| 10:32 | <alkisg> OK
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| 10:32 | <stgraber> udhcpc just gives me a set of variable, I do the work
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| 10:32 | so that's even easier :)
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| 10:33 | you can have a look at the scripts currently shipped by ltsp, it's just not on by default but the implementation is there
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| 10:33 | <alkisg> Sure. But I'll add some stuff in the udhcpc command line; e.g. if a static ip is requested, then a dhcp_inform should be broadcasted with that ip (udhcp supports that)
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| 10:33 | <stgraber> the hard part will be to ensure I don't have any regression
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| 10:33 | <alkisg> Yes, that would need lots of testing. Good thing Karmic it's still in the early stages :)
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| 10:34 | <stgraber> yeah
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| 10:34 | but will also come with quite a lot of advantages
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| 10:34 | like renewing the lease so that it doesn't get assigned to someone else
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| 10:35 | <alkisg> Yes, and also not hanging for 60 seconds waiting for an ip lease (because of ipconfig bugs :P)
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| 10:35 | <stgraber> yeah, that too :)
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| 10:35 | and it'll be a lot more flexible to handle weird configuration
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| 10:36 | <alkisg> Right. Well, I'll try to have something solid by monday, I hope you don't mind if that script part is a little long :)
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| 10:37 | <stgraber> nah :)
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| 10:38 | <alkisg> stgraber: does karmic have the latest stuff, or do I need to use your ppa or fetch the sources from launchpad?
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| 10:39 | bah sorry anyway I'll look :)
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| 10:43 | * alkisg curses the ldm hanging bug that even affects vbox :-/ | |
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| 10:55 | <antgel> alkisg: thanks :)
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| 11:13 | <antgel> okay, with IPAPPEND 3, the ip addresses are correct but rootpath is still empty. wish i could remember what i did last month, aargh
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| 11:13 | <alkisg> antgel: rootpath? you use nfs?
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| 11:13 | Ah, the ipconfig rootpath...
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| 11:13 | <antgel> alkisg: yep
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| 11:14 | <alkisg> Are you sure you put IPAPPEND 3 correctly? upload your pxelinux.cfg/default..
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| 11:14 | <stgraber> alkisg: karmic has the latest stuff
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| 11:15 | <antgel> alkisg: http://pastebin.ca/1480883
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| 11:15 | i removed the ip=dhcp as well
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| 11:17 | <alkisg> Yeah, that looks good, although I've never used nfs...
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| 11:17 | <antgel> alkisg: i'm using the default config in debian lenny - i'm getting nfsmount: need a path scrolling up the screen
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| 11:17 | <alkisg> antgel: if you remove quiet (or insert splash), do you see a difference? does the client actually use this file? (maybe it's an etherboot one..)
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| 11:19 | antgel: vagrantc once told me he put this in order to boot in a similar situation: boot=nfs nfsroot=192.168.0.79:/opt/ltsp/i386
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| 11:19 | I don't know about nfs, so I won't be of much help here...
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| 11:20 | <antgel> alkisg: yes, that's what i needed, nfsroot= ! thanks a lot
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| 11:25 | okay, another problem (hopefully last one) - when i try to log in, ldm reports "verifying password, please wait" then hangs
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| 11:26 | <alkisg> antgel: ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 11:26 | <antgel> alkisg: hmm. this is a fresh install but i'll try it
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| 11:27 | <alkisg> antgel: if that doesn't do it, get a local terminal and try to ssh to the server.
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| 11:32 | <antgel> alkisg: to get a local terminal, i have to go into the chroot and set a root password, right?
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| 11:32 | <alkisg> No
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| 11:32 | <alkisg> You just need to declare SCREEN_02=shell SCREEN_07=ldm in lts.conf
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| 11:33 | Then with alt+ctrl+F2 you get to the local terminal...
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| 11:33 | <antgel> beautiful
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> antgel: did that boot=nfs nfsroot=ip:/opt/ltsp/i386 parameters work OK? I'd like to put them in the wiki...
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| 11:37 | <antgel> alkisg: yes, the nfsroot parameter definitely did the trick, maybe it's always needed with IPAPPEND 3. it has been on both boxes i've used it on...
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> k
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| 11:42 | <antgel> alkisg: okay, i know why i couldn't login - because the ssh server had password auth disabled. i'm assuming that i need it switched on for ltsp ;)
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| 11:43 | it's a shame though as it's Internet-facing so it means that it will be open to password guessing - with key login it's so much better
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| 11:46 | <alkisg> antgel: well, put some firewall to only allow access to local network. And I think maybe even ssh supports that...
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| 11:49 | <antgel> alkisg: ah, but i /want/ this box to be accessible via the Internet as well - it's not a big problem as i won't be using ltsp on here for long - it's just for development
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| 11:50 | * alkisg reboots to install karmic... :) | |
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| 12:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber/alkisg: ok, back :D
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| 12:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> a lot later than expected, I know
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| 12:39 | anyone in here?
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| 12:40 | I need to get 9.04 ltsp working with a touchscreen, and nothing seems to be working in the lts.conf
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| 12:41 | does anybody have any suggestions? I guess xorg.conf has finally gone by the wayside
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| 12:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> ~l
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| 12:41 | !;
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| 12:41 | <ltspbot> _UsUrPeR_: Error: ";" is not a valid command.
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| 12:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> !l
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| 12:41 | <ltspbot> _UsUrPeR_: Error: "l" is not a valid command.
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| 12:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> :(
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| 12:41 | hey lns
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| 12:41 | <Lns> what's up _UsUrPeR_
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| 12:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> I guess they don't have a ~l for you yet...
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| 12:42 | err ~l
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| 12:42 | !l
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| 12:42 | <ltspbot> _UsUrPeR_: Error: "l" is not a valid command.
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| 12:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> ...
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| 12:42 | yeah
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| 12:42 | :)
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| 12:42 | * Lns forgets how to teach the bot | |
| 12:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> anyway, I had just asked this question and you appeared directly after
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| 12:42 | I need to get a touch screen working in ubuntu 9.04
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| 12:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> and it no longer uses xorg.conf
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| 12:43 | and I need to put some minx/maxx/miny/maxy information someplace
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| 12:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> but nothing seems to be working in lts.conf
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| 12:43 | <alkisg> Argh no joy, the Karmic daily build is borken :(
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| 12:44 | <Lns> _UsUrPeR_: what lts.conf options are you using?
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| 12:44 | hey alkisg
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| 12:45 | <alkisg> Hey Lns :)
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| 12:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> these ones: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/391
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| 12:45 | they used to work in ltsp 4.2 :/
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| 12:46 | <alkisg> Lns, someone requested that we list the proxydhcp page in the ubuntultsp page, do you think that's ok? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 12:46 | _UsUrPeR_: why don't you make a custom xorg.conf for this client?
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| 12:46 | <Lns> _UsUrPeR_: iirc there are alkisg of course
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| 12:46 | err..haha
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| 12:46 | <spectra> ev
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| 12:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> heh
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| 12:47 | <Lns> alkisg: of course you can, it's not just my wiki =)
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> Lns: sure, I was just looking for a "quality control" vote... :)
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| 12:47 | * _UsUrPeR_ tries out a xorg.conf | |
| 12:47 | <Lns> _UsUrPeR_: have you looked through http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#xwin-parms ?
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| 12:48 | X_OPTION_01...X_OPTION_12 looks like it might do what you want
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| 12:48 | hrm..maybe not, that looks like it might be just for vid. driver options
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| 12:48 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: keep in mind that those options *are not* xorg options. You need to find the actual xorg options.
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| 12:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: yeah, I'll get that figured out in a bit
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| 12:49 | <Lns> X_CONF might do the trick if you craft your own xorg.conf
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| 12:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> is an xorg.conf still generated on normal non-ltsp boots in 9.04?
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| 12:50 | <stgraber> no
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| 12:59 | * alkisg has found a way to install wine apps for all users - if anyone is interested, he may contact me to tell him the method, so that we can start automating/testing it... | |
| 13:00 | <Lns> alkisg: is it similar to how cxoffice does it with "bottles" ?
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| 13:03 | <alkisg> I don't think so. Basically, I put C:\program files, C:\windows, C:\Users\All users and the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE registry branch to /opt/wine and symlink them to ~/.wine, and the rest of the data (which are user-specific) go directly to ~/.wine
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| 13:04 | In theory it should work fine; also, a little testing that I did showed that it worked OK; now I'm looking for a way to automate the symlinking and also test a bit more.
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| 13:05 | ...and there's a "wine-administrator" group (or user) with write access to /opt/wine which installs the new programs...
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| 13:05 | <jbrett> that sounds like exactly how cxoffice does it :)
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| 13:05 | <alkisg> Where's the bottle here? :)
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| 13:05 | <jbrett> except that cxoffice doesn't bother with the "wine-administrator" group -- you can only install system-wide bottles as root.
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| 13:05 | * alkisg hasn't seen cxoffice at all. | |
| 13:06 | <jbrett> which is actually kinda nice.
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| 13:06 | <alkisg> jbrett: but how can you install a program as a root? The root usually has no gui...
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| 13:06 | <jbrett> it isolates the bottles a bit more from malicious and/or sloppy programs.
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| 13:06 | <alkisg> Ah, so it can't really install _any_ program, it's for specific programs only?
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| 13:07 | <jbrett> alkisg: you have to do it through the cxoffice GUI. I'm not exactly sure how it works out under the covers.
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> ok... and is installing any program possible, or do you have to select from some predefined "bottles"?
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| 13:08 | <jbrett> you can install any program.
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| 13:08 | um, so waitaminute...
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> Sounds good enough. /me will look at this
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| 13:08 | * jbrett looks at his ~/.cxoffice directory.. | |
| 13:08 | <alkisg> jbrett: the way I say it, your ~/.wine (or .cxoffice) folder should only contain your private data - nothing in the windows or program files folders..
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| 13:09 | <jbrett> it actually creates all of the directories for "drive_c" in your home directory, and just softlinks individual files from /opt/cxoffice.
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| 13:09 | so it's a bit different from what you're proposing.
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> Hrm... sounds more trouble than my proposal
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| 13:10 | <jbrett> s/your home directory/~.cxoffice in your home directory/
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> I wonder where they hook into wine to do that, though, so I'll definately have a look. Is it open source?
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| 13:10 | <jbrett> yeah, it's all scripted.
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> Nice :)
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| 13:10 | <jbrett> cxoffice isn't open source, although they base it on a stable wine version.
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| 13:12 | <alkisg> Ah. Has it been replaced with cxlinux, or is it a different product? http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxlinux/
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| 13:12 | <jbrett> I've been able to symlink ~.cxoffice/<bottle-name> to ~/.wine though, and it works. So the scheme they use works fine with upstream wine.
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| 13:13 | oh! I dunno. I haven't used it for a couple years, so I'm not up to date on their product line.
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| 13:13 | yeah, it looks like they've renamed it.
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| 13:14 | since they came out with a mac version, and I suspect the "office" moniker was misleading (since it's no longer targeted at just running msoffice).
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> Maybe some devs there are also wine devs looking to make some money and that's why wine doesn't support multiple users out of the box... ok, that's actually a good thing (devs making money)
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| 13:15 | <jbrett> that's definitely the case. codeweavers pays the salary of many wine developers, and is probably the single largest contributor to the wine project.
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| 13:17 | alkisg: http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxlinux/download_trial/ if you want to play with it and see how they do it in more detail.
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> Thanks :)
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| 13:20 | Woah, they even create .rpm packages out of bottles! cool!
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| 13:21 | * Lns just wishes wine/cx could make shockwave director plugin work well under ltsp :( Of course, it's hard to do that with CRAPPILY MADE PLUGINS =p | |
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| 13:53 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: ping
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| 13:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: plunk
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| 13:56 | what's up? :)
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> i know im a little late to the party, but what kind of touchscreen? :)
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| 13:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> it is an elotouch, sir. 1024x768
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> serial?
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| 13:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> and as late as you are, you are always welcome
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| 13:56 | USB
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| 13:57 | <Gadi> aw, shucks
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| 13:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> is CAN be serial
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| 13:57 | it has the connector
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| 13:57 | <Gadi> did it work on earlier LTSP versions (when we used configure-x.sh)?
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| 13:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> etyack has gotten it working on ltsp 4.2
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| 13:57 | <Gadi> cool
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| 13:57 | and does it work on a jaunty fat client out of the box?
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| 13:58 | (I assume ur on jaunty?)
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| 13:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah, 9.04. connectivity does work with USB, but it's completely off on the touch portion
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| 13:58 | vertical mouse touch is upside-down
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| 13:58 | <Gadi> gotcha
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| 13:59 | ok, so here's the deal:
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| 13:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> and it's got only an 800x600 touch area on a 1024x768 field
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| 13:59 | lay it on me, brutha
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| 13:59 | <Gadi> when we moved LTSP from configure-x.sh to the newer architecture, the question was: should I port my touchscreen code from configure-x.sh
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| 14:00 | well, to do that, I would need to know how the new xorg handles such things
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| 14:00 | especially, when it came to serial devices
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| 14:00 | I was told that it is not handled by xorg at all, but through hal
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| 14:00 | which now talks to xorg
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| 14:01 | not having the occasion to have to make a touchscreen work myself, I did not have the good fortune to know how to port that code
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| 14:01 | nor the impetus to do so
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| 14:01 | unfortunately.
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| 14:01 | but, that doesn't mean hope is lost
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| 14:01 | one thing we did do, was keep a back door open for using configure-x.sh
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| 14:02 | which basically involves copying configure-x.sh back into the chroot (I can prolly find a copy somewhere)
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| 14:02 | and using the lts.conf param: CONFIGURE_X_COMMAND = /path/to/configure-x.sh
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| 14:03 | (I think that is the param)
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| 14:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> :O
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> then, you could, for that one client, use the USE_TOUCH and friends
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| 14:03 | as before
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| 14:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> awesome
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| 14:03 | ok, well etyack has a current x-configure.sh for this monitor.
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> I think the preferred way would be to find out how the jaunty fat client calibrates things
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| 14:03 | and let me know
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| 14:04 | so I can port the better way to the new platform
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| 14:04 | :)
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| 14:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> :D
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| 14:04 | <Gadi> but, thats why touchscreen (and I think only touchscreen) has not been ported
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| 14:04 | along with all the other xorg calibration things
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| 14:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, so this is my first foray into touch screening, and I am happy you popped in with this information, because I would have blown a lot of time trying to figure this out
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| 14:05 | <Gadi> also note that I have only ever dealt with serial touchscreens
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| 14:05 | which are a lot more manual
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| 14:05 | and less automagical
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| 14:05 | :)
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| 14:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah, I've seen the settings for that. the USB part has cleaned up a lot of issues
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| 14:05 | Ok, so how would you like me to proceed?
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> well, look - I know you need to get it working asap - nature of the biz and all that
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| 14:06 | if you *know* that configure-x.sh works, you can try to recreate that
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| 14:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> the back door approach for now will be fine
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> however, I would love it if you could google a bit and see if there isn't a one-liner "hal-property ...." line that would do the trick too
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| 14:07 | since I am sure that's all there is to it
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| 14:07 | :)
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| 14:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah, I hope you're right
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| 14:08 | ok, well I'll look around for a more succinct method
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| 14:09 | in the mean time, I'll be getting the configure-x.sh
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| 14:10 | <Gadi> good luck
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| 14:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> thanks
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| 14:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: ping
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| 14:45 | <Gadi> pong
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| 14:47 | <Lns> $#&(#JF#*28NO CARRIER
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| 14:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: ok
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| 14:54 | I got this file
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| 14:54 | <ogra_> Gadi, apt-get source xserver-xorg-input-evtouch ... for an example how to do it with hal ... note though that hal is obsolete with karmic and only touchscreens that are supported by the usbtouchscreen kernel module will be supported in the future
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| 14:54 | <ltsppbot> "_UsUrPeR_" pasted "for gadi and people looking for ltsp elo touch stuff 4.2" (779 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/392
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> well, thats the old build_x4_config script
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| 14:56 | ur better off with the configure-x.sh script
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| 14:56 | ogra_: good tip
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| 14:56 | <ogra_> well,not very long term
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| 14:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: I guess I may need that file from you. This is what etyack provided me.
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| 14:57 | <ogra_> upstreams attitude of "we give a shit on old HW unless there is kernel support" will make things really bad in the future
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| 14:58 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "/usr/share/ltsp/configure-x.sh" (312 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/393
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| 14:59 | * _UsUrPeR_ pictures upstream as the wizard of Oz | |
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| 14:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> thx Gadi
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| 14:59 | <ogra_> heh, rather the wizards of xorg :)
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| 15:00 | <Gadi> ogra_: lovely
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| 15:02 | see, they would get a pass if they supported NEW hardware perfectly
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| 15:02 | :)
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| 15:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> I assume there are none of the characters in this room?
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| 15:03 | <ogra_> heh
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| 15:04 | "i played a song in vlc under wine and now vlc crashed but the song still plays, whats wrong?" ...
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| 15:04 | * ogra_ grins about #ubuntu-de | |
| 15:05 | <alkisg> vlc under wine?!!! :-/
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| 15:05 | <ogra_> sometimes that channle smarts out a good tv evening
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| 15:06 | yeah, he apparently didnt know there is a linux version
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| 15:06 | <Gadi> hmm, wine... now there's something that hasn't been merged into the kernel yet...
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| 15:06 | ;)
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| 15:06 | <ogra_> lol
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| 15:06 | * _UsUrPeR_ wants photoshop working in ltsp-localapps by the end of the week via Wine | |
| 15:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> plz
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| 15:07 | <Gadi> for a quarter, we can supersize that
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| 15:07 | <ogra_> that might actually work
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| 15:07 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh man, I kid
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| 15:07 | <ogra_> anyway ... /me -> back to tv
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| 15:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm
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| 15:17 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: lemme paste the lts.conf. tell me if I'm missing something. I am seeing no effects, and nothing logged in Xorg.7.log
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| 15:17 | <ltsppbot> "_UsUrPeR_" pasted "gadi, here's my lts.conf" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/394
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| 15:19 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: any ideas?
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> looking
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| 15:20 | is the configure-x.sh script chmod 755?
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| 15:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> no
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| 15:21 | <Gadi> ah, do that
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| 15:21 | :)
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| 15:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> :)
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| 15:22 | is configure_x = true still used in 9.04?
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| 15:25 | <Gadi> it should not be necessary
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| 15:25 | crap!
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| 15:25 | brb
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| 15:52 | <andyw> hello - would anyone be able to assist me with getting RDP/xrdp working on my Ubuntu LTSP server?
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| 15:52 | I'm a linux newbit
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| 15:52 | newbie
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| 16:27 | <Ahmuck_> were using ubuntu ltsp in our lab. one of our problems is pbskids.org and other children's flash sites. flash has become a bit of a problem with ltsp installations. any chance on getting it fixed?
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| 16:35 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: pin
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| 16:35 | g
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| 17:17 | <coordinador> hi
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| 17:18 | <supreme> i have an issue with the scanner
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| 17:19 | in xsane i can scan, but with quitinsane (pretty fast scanner program) with only root i can scan, pretty weird since i changed the permissions and with xsane the scanner worked
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| 17:19 | i dont use xsane because is much slower
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> but infinitely faster than something that doesn't work at all :)
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| 17:25 | <supreme> hah yes, that's why i want it work for all users
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| 17:25 | would you please help me with permissions of scanner?
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| 17:26 | what or where should i check?
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> no idea. never touched the stuff.
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| 17:31 | <supreme> "quiteinsane"
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| 17:31 | i wrote "quitinsane", my mistake
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| 17:35 | oh the scanner changed the usb port from /dev/bus/usb/001/003 to 004 , this happen when the plug is physically changed of port ? if it is so i can tell the people not to change the usb scanner plug
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| 17:41 | nice, it worked :) i just put in rc.local chgrp saned blablabla../004
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| 17:41 | i hope it wont change again
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| 17:42 | thanks anyway for your availability to help
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| 17:42 | bye bye
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| 22:37 | <xmedex> hello all
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| 22:38 | i have a question here
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| 22:38 | somebody can help me
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