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Channel log from 12 August 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:55 | <treyh> how is everyone tonight
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| 06:02 | <warren> stgraber, doh... I'm trying to build ldm with glib-2.20, but some new GTree stuff is not compatible.
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| 06:05 | stgraber, any recommendations?
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| 06:07 | I guess there's no worthwhile solution for this.
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| 10:02 | <ogra_> warren, 2.20 ? thats ancient, isnt it ?
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| 10:02 | (hi btw :) )
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| 15:59 | * _UsUrPeR_ tips his hat | |
| 16:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey guys. I am trying to figure out how to use more than one lts.conf dependent on client hardware profiles
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| 16:00 | what's the best way to determine what hardware is booting on a server?
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| 16:00 | I like the way ltsp-cluster did it, but am thinking I am going to have to script up something
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| 16:02 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: why not create your own hardware-dependent code in ltsp_config.d/ in the image?
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| 16:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> Gadi: because I didn't know I could! :D
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| 16:02 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 16:02 | do you have an example of what you would like to do?
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| 16:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> This is something I need to do because some clients booting on given servers cannot handle localapps, while others can
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| 16:03 | so I want the more capable clients to use localapps, while the slower ones will not
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| 16:03 | hence: different lts.conf. One with LTSP_LOCALAPPS = TRUE, one with false.
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| 16:03 | or something equivalent
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| 16:03 | <Gadi> yeah, so instead of that....
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| 16:03 | drop a file in $chroot/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config.d/
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| 16:04 | that basically does:
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| 16:04 | if [meets these requirements; then export LTSP_LOCALAPPS=True; fi
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| 16:04 | or some such
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| 16:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> one thing at a time though: how do I get the client hardware profile during the boot process so I can tell which client will be using this stuff?
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| 16:05 | <Gadi> maybe with an: else export LTSP_LOCALAPPS=False
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| 16:05 | depends what parameters you want
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| 16:05 | cpu => /proc/cpuinfo
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| 16:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> probably processor or video card
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| 16:05 | <Gadi> mem => /proc//meminfo
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| 16:05 | video card => lspci -v
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| 16:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> mmmhmm
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| 16:06 | <Gadi> |grep VGA
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| 16:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> thanks! :D
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| 16:06 | <Gadi> :)
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| 16:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> that should do it.
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| 16:06 | <Gadi> or you can take the code from the ltsp-cluster code
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| 16:06 | they call it an "inventory"
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| 16:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> interesting. I didnt want to delve in to it
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| 16:06 | * Gadi smiles at the French Canadians - hi, mgariepy! | |
| 16:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> but that may help
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| 16:06 | * _UsUrPeR_ waves | |
| 16:07 | <_UsUrPeR_> Canada's our hat!
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| 16:07 | (I kid)
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| 16:07 | <Gadi> anyhow, they have a bash script that they call
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| 16:07 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah, I can come up with something
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| 16:07 | <Gadi> that basically collects all those params
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| 16:08 | now, be mindful that ltsp_config.d/ is called whenever ltsp_config is called
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| 16:09 | so, the worse your code, the more delays you'll feel
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| 16:09 | :)
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| 16:09 | (eg. on boot)
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| 16:09 | <warren> ogra_, yeah
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| 16:10 | <Gadi> warren: hurry up and finish bus school - the country needs you! :)
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| 16:11 | <warren> Gadi, then I'll go into a field that is always productive and with intelligent discourse, like politics!
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| 16:11 | <Gadi> hehe - I'd vote for you
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| 16:11 | <warren> Gadi, hey, what kind of thin clients do you sell these days?
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| 16:11 | <Gadi> you weere born in Hawaii, right?
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| 16:11 | :P
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| 16:12 | warren: I'll sell whatever you want at this point
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| 16:12 | :)
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| 16:12 | <warren> Gadi, 2 years ago I was driving around Honolulu with a Red Hat co-worker. I pointed at a hospital and said, "I was born in the same hospital as Obama!" He said, "In Kenya?"
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| 16:12 | Gadi, you mean you don't sell thin clients anymore?
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| 16:12 | <Gadi> no, we do we do
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| 16:12 | <warren> what chipset?
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| 16:12 | Gadi, https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/
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| 16:13 | <Gadi> its just, I am just reflecting on the economic situation
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| 16:13 | :)
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| 16:13 | <warren> Gadi, new release supported through 2017!
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| 16:13 | <Gadi> yeah, Ive been watching your progress
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| 16:13 | you're a machine
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| 16:13 | :)
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| 16:13 | <warren> Gadi, yes, a broken machine ...
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| 16:13 | <Gadi> hardly
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| 16:13 | you're totally my hero
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| 16:13 | must be the Kona coffee
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| 16:14 | <warren> Gadi, my LTSP is a bit behind the times... I've now managed ... the same capability as ltsp-5 ~3 years ago. I have no idea how the newer features work.
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| 16:14 | ltsp-cluster, ltsp_config.d, fat client?
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| 16:14 | no clue
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| 16:14 | <Gadi> its magic and pixie dust
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| 16:14 | <warren> didn't implement it
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| 16:14 | <Gadi> remember, we usually do it in Maine
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| 16:14 | :)
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| 16:14 | <warren> a bit far now...
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| 16:15 | <Gadi> I meant over beer
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| 16:15 | :P
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| 16:15 | we dont know how it works either
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| 16:15 | lol
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| 16:16 | <warren> I don't drink.
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| 16:16 | coffee or alcohol
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| 16:16 | <Gadi> that's why we depend on you
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| 16:16 | you're the designated coder
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| 16:16 | :)
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| 16:16 | <warren> Gadi, and I recently joined a religion where the Sabbath is on saturday.
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| 16:16 | <Gadi> was it to be cool like me?
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| 16:17 | <mgariepy> hey how you guys doing ?
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| 16:17 | <warren> Gadi, yes.
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| 16:17 | <Gadi> I knew it!
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| 16:17 | hey, mgariepy
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| 16:18 | <mgariepy> any of you made sssd work with edirectory ?
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| 16:18 | <Gadi> mgariepy likes to put random words together in a sentence
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| 16:18 | <mgariepy> haha
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| 16:19 | <Gadi> I think he's a bot
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| 16:20 | warren: do you know anyone who wants a bunch of old Geode GX2 based clients?
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| 16:20 | <warren> Gadi, perhaps
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| 16:20 | Gadi, how many is a bunch?
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| 16:20 | <Gadi> we offered some tradeups over thepast couple of years, and now Ive got a bunch of em
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| 16:20 | good question
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| 16:20 | not 100
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| 16:20 | but more than 60
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| 16:20 | I think
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| 16:21 | I need to check into it
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| 16:21 | <warren> hmm, my target schools now might be horrified by the performance of GX2
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| 16:21 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 16:21 | many are
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| 16:21 | :)
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| 16:21 | but hey are energy efficient
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| 16:21 | *they
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| 16:21 | <warren> GX2 might be good for industrial or POS
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| 16:21 | <Gadi> like 4 watts
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| 16:21 | <warren> there are two meanings of POS
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| 16:21 | <Gadi> always
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| 16:21 | <warren> both true
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| 16:21 | <Gadi> yup
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| 16:22 | but I can throw in VESA mounts
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| 16:22 | :)
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| 16:22 | <warren> Gadi, that and we never implemented X autodetect capable of differentiating GX2 and LX
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| 16:22 | <Gadi> we? I didnt know you were tackling that one too!
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| 16:22 | you're a machine!
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| 16:23 | <warren> Gadi, I have zero GX2's at the moment, I could use at least one for testing.
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| 16:23 | Gadi, does it PXE or coreboot?
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| 16:23 | <Gadi> well, it'll cost me a fortune to ship to hawaii
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| 16:23 | PXE boot
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| 16:23 | maybe I can meet you at a bar on the moon for a beer
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| 16:23 | for me
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| 16:23 | ice water for you
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| 16:23 | :)
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| 16:24 | like Tom Cruise
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| 16:24 | in Top Gun
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| 16:24 | <warren> hah
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| 16:24 | <Gadi> hemlock, isit?
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| 16:24 | <warren> Gadi, how much RAM in the GX2's?
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| 16:24 | <Gadi> I think 128MB
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| 16:24 | <warren> Gadi, what chipset ships in your newest thin clients?
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| 16:25 | <Gadi> we've been trying to move to Atoms, but we still sell Vias, too
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| 16:25 | Vias are cheaper
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| 16:25 | <Gadi> (to manufacture)
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| 16:25 | CN896s and the like
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| 16:26 | <warren> Gadi, how many GX2's will fit into a USPS Small Flat-Rate Priority Mail box?
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| 16:26 | <Gadi> sounds like a Jeopardy question
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| 16:26 | <warren> no, a Jeopardy question would be like "3"
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| 16:26 | <Gadi> let me find the dimensions of said box
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| 16:28 | <warren> hm
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| 16:29 | Gadi, I'm sorry, I know how slow a LX is, and GX2 lacks L2 cache right?
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| 16:29 | Gadi, even LX wont cut it for my users.
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| 16:29 | Gadi, I do have a desire to recycle
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| 16:30 | <Gadi> yeah, me too
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| 16:30 | but, I know what you mean
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| 16:30 | I keep trying to think of what they could be used for short of video
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| 16:30 | :)
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| 16:31 | though, its not too bad at low res
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| 16:31 | <warren> can't even buy lowres monitors anymore
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| 16:32 | Gadi, I could sell it to school this way, "We can disable all the FUN."
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| 16:32 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 16:32 | now I know Ill vote for you
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| 16:33 | <warren> oooh, I want a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
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| 16:34 | I know I don't need one...
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| 16:34 | <Gadi> commercial come on while watching cartoon network?
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| 16:34 | :)
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| 16:36 | <warren> Gadi, no cable here
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| 16:36 | Gadi, that would violate the NO FUN rule.
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| 16:36 | <Gadi> can't you get the professor to rig something up with a couple of coconuts?
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| 16:39 | <warren> Gadi, I could make an insensitive joke in response.
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| 16:39 | <Gadi> careful, it may come back to bite you when you run for office
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| 16:45 | <warren> Gadi, meh... I guess I could use at least one for testing and also to demonstrate what a VESA mount looks like.
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| 16:46 | Gadi, schools don't have imagination unless its in front of their nose.
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| 16:47 | Gadi, oh good, my unused monitor here has vesa mount holes
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| 16:48 | Gadi, could you also send one of each of your current clients? I can test them and mail them back if you want. Then I can update my "certified hardware database".
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| 16:49 | Gadi, I can pay for shipping.
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| 16:49 | <Gadi> wouldn't it be easier if I tested them?
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| 16:49 | or do you mean more than just do they boot
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| 16:49 | :)
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| 16:50 | <warren> heh
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| 16:50 | Gadi, are all of your clients vesa mountable?
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| 16:50 | <Gadi> yup
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| 16:50 | <warren> Gadi, I'm doing demos for schools soon, would be more impressive mounted
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| 16:51 | <bieb> Gadi: hey man!! long time no see.. how is everything?
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| 16:52 | <Gadi> my guess is the schools dont need fiber thin clients ;)
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| 16:52 | <warren> you do fiber!?
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| 16:52 | why!?
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| 16:52 | <Gadi> yup lots
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| 16:52 | gvmt
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| 16:52 | <warren> you do *only* fiber?
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| 16:52 | <Gadi> no
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| 16:52 | not onlly
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| 16:52 | <warren> how does fiber work? you can PXE from fiber?
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| 16:53 | <Gadi> but lots of secret labs use fiber
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| 16:53 | for security
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| 16:53 | yup
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| 16:53 | * Gadi waves to bieb | |
| 16:54 | <bieb> Gadi: you seen Scotty lately??
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| 16:55 | <Gadi> !seen sbalneav
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| 16:55 | <ltsp> Gadi: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 5 weeks, 1 day, 3 hours, 9 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <sbalneav> I actually got an ltsp session going a few months ago using xdm
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| 16:55 | <Gadi> nope
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| 16:55 | <bieb> :)
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| 16:56 | <Gadi> warren: anything Intel Atom should be all the same
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| 16:56 | in terms of supported hardware
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| 16:57 | as for the vias, I personally always use the binary drivers
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| 16:57 | <warren> Gadi, ok, just install my stuff and "does it boot?" and I'll add you to my list of hardware
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| 16:57 | <Gadi> because the OSS ones still lack support for certain things
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| 16:57 | <warren> Gadi, I have almost zero via here, can't test the video stuff, i'm actually interested to see if I can shoehorn the binary drivers in
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| 16:58 | <Gadi> well, they aren't too good at keeping the binaries current
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| 16:58 | :P
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| 16:58 | I find I am always shoehorning them in
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| 16:58 | lol
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| 16:59 | but, at the end of the day, they give you dual monitor support
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| 16:59 | while the OSS ones, sadly will not
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| 17:00 | <warren> Gadi, with K12Linux EL6 at least our kernel and X wont be changing much for 7 years, so once I find a working binary driver it wont change.
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| 17:00 | Gadi, binary driver has both X and kernel parts?
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| 17:00 | <Gadi> yeah - but the kernel parts are only necessary for drm
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| 17:00 | and such
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| 17:00 | if they are broken, it still works fine for thin clients
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| 17:01 | tho, always nicer to have them working
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| 17:01 | <warren> ooh
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| 17:01 | Gadi, OK, I'm very interested in via hardware here...
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| 17:01 | <Gadi> heh
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| 17:02 | <bieb> Question about desktop icons.. We use Codeweavers Crossover Office to give the students access to MS Office (don't ask.. requirement from the school), when we updated CW, the current icons point to the wrong directory, I think boss mis-installed CW.. but we can add shortcuts easily. Is that a chroot update to make them available for all users? Would it be better to use Sabayon? I am trying to find the document I used for original setup 2 yea
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| 17:02 | <Gadi> bieb: is it run as a local app?
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| 17:02 | <bieb> no from server
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| 17:02 | <Gadi> then, no need to update the chroot
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| 17:03 | if you made a common .wine (or equivalent), it would mean updating that
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| 17:04 | tho, codeweavers uses a common dir, I believe in /opt
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| 17:04 | so, nevermind that
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| 17:04 | if you are talking about desktop launchers, you can simply replace them in all of the users homedir
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| 17:04 | *homedirs
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| 17:05 | <bieb> ohh. the launchers are in the home dirs?
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| 17:05 | <Gadi> no
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| 17:05 | not necessarily
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| 17:05 | <bieb> I was thinking they came from the server
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| 17:05 | <Gadi> time out
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| 17:05 | do you launch MSOffice from the menu?
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| 17:06 | ie, Applications > ....
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| 17:06 | <bieb> they can from the Applications menu.. or from the shortcuts/launchers I put on the desktop.. (you know students are lazy)
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| 17:06 | <warren> Gadi, are you able to contribute at least GX2 here?
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| 17:06 | <Gadi> well, they are treated differently
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| 17:06 | warren: most probably
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| 17:06 | one sen - ph call
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| 17:06 | <bieb> k
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| 17:09 | <warren> Gadi, is 1024x768 too high res for GX2 if you avoid video?
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| 17:09 | Gadi, is firefox scrolling slow?
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| 17:09 | <jfisher> Good afternoon! I've been reading a bit about the ikat kiosk exploits, and was wondering if anyone has some pointers for my environment. We use LTSP kiosks that run icewm and firefox. Using the ikat tools, it is possible for users to launch xterm on the kiosk. I tried changing the user's shell to /bin/false, but that wouldn't boot. Curious as to the best route to disable xterm.
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| 17:10 | I figure we either need to block access to xterm, or whitelist java applets
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| 17:12 | <Gadi> warren: that's fine, for sure
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| 17:13 | I don't know if we ever would have sold any if they couldnt do that much
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| 17:13 | :P
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| 17:13 | <mistik1> Gadi: ping
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| 17:13 | <Gadi> of course, we also sold them back in the good old LTSP4 days
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| 17:13 | when chroots were simpler
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| 17:13 | :)
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| 17:13 | <warren> Gadi, I think I can convince local libraries to accept GX2's, they never have enough desktop computers for browsing the catalog.
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| 17:13 | <Gadi> mistik1: !!
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| 17:14 | <mistik1> Gadi: sup brother
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| 17:14 | <Gadi> another man who works under a coconut tree
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| 17:14 | :)
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| 17:14 | man, I gotta move to an island
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| 17:14 | <mistik1> you betcha
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| 17:14 | <warren> Gadi, USPS Priority Mail Flat-Rate boxes are the cheapest way to ship stuff to Hawaii. They'll ship anything that will fit into the box.
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| 17:15 | <Gadi> warren: Roger that
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| 17:15 | Ill see what I can figure out
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| 17:15 | :)
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| 17:15 | * mistik1 on last week of two week vacation | |
| 17:15 | <Gadi> mistik1: when you live in paradise, where do you go for vacation?
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| 17:15 | newark?
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| 17:15 | <bieb> lol
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| 17:16 | <mistik1> haha
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| 17:16 | I went to deeper country to visit my grampa and granma
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| 17:16 | Then beach
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| 17:17 | <Gadi> nice
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| 17:17 | jfisher: whats ikat?
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| 17:17 | <mistik1> I'm an inland type guys so its not like i got to the beach all the time
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| 17:17 | plus i'm a geek so 90% of my time is at a computer :)
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| 17:17 | <jfisher> Gadi: web based kiosk hacking toolkit that was talked about at defcon. http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Free-web-service-cracks-internet-kiosks-1321613.html
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| 17:17 | <Gadi> you're not the creepy guy on th mountain with binoculars, are you, mistik1?
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| 17:18 | <mistik1> nah, just the strange one that walks with his internet in his bag ;)
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| 17:19 | <Gadi> jfisher: awesome. so, chmod -x $chroot/usr/bin/xterm
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| 17:19 | <warren> Gadi, what is your e-mail address? I'll send you a mailing address
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| 17:19 | Gadi, want me to paypal postage? I can write if off as an expense.
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| 17:19 | <Gadi> you can use gadi@ltsp.org, I think
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| 17:19 | in fact, let's check it
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| 17:19 | :)
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| 17:19 | <warren> hmm, has Ryan52 been around?
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| 17:19 | I'd guess that kid has his PhD by now.
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| 17:20 | <Gadi> I haven't used payapl in a million years
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| 17:20 | literally - paid for a wheel newly invented
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| 17:20 | <jfisher> gadi: I figured it would have to be something easy like that. Thanks for the tip! :)
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| 17:21 | <Gadi> np - xterm is not critical to any ltsp functions :)
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| 17:21 | now, xeyes....
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| 17:21 | <warren> Gadi, didn't know you outlived Methuselah
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| 17:21 | <Gadi> warren: don't get me started
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| 17:21 | <warren> Gadi, also, was paypal evil back then too?
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| 17:21 | =)
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| 17:21 | <Gadi> nag, nag ,nag
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| 17:22 | warren: you are introducing me to so much today - flat rate boxes, paypal....
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| 17:22 | <warren> hahahaha
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| 17:23 | Gadi, UPS "Ground" to Hawaii is oddly very expensive
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| 17:23 | <mistik1> applied the old brain stretcher, eh?
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| 17:23 | <Gadi> warren: they run out of ground
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| 17:23 | :)
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| 17:25 | lol
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| 17:25 | warren, I have an email from 2008 where I was sending you a geode gx2 client to Westford, MA
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| 17:25 | did that ever happen?
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| 17:26 | <warren> Gadi, nope.
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| 17:26 | hmm
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| 17:26 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 17:26 | <Gadi> well, let's try to make it happen this time
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| 17:26 | :)
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| 17:26 | it was prolly all my bad
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| 17:26 | just thought it funny
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| 17:28 | <warren> I returned all of the disklessworkstation clients to them, and now all I have is an atom, one via, one LX
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| 17:29 | <Gadi> thats a thin client treasure trove
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| 17:29 | so greedy...
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| 17:29 | :P
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| 17:29 | you're the Smaug of thin-client-dom
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| 17:31 | <warren> Gadi, I do miss you.
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| 17:31 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 17:32 | so, small flat rate boxes are only 1 5/8" high
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| 17:32 | can't see getting any thin client in there
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| 17:32 | I think
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| 17:32 | tho, I measure through estimation
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| 17:32 | <dberkholz> they can be bent
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| 17:32 | <Gadi> which is all guesswork
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| 17:32 | you have bendable thin clients? :)
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| 17:33 | <dberkholz> as long as you've got room in at least one dimension
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| 17:33 | <Gadi> that would be cool
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| 17:33 | <dberkholz> nah, just shove the thing into a box, as long as there's room to the "left" or "right" as you're pushing it in, and it's not as long as the box, then the top can bend up.
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| 17:34 | <dberkholz> i do that kind of thing with usps boxes and flat-rate envelopes all the time
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| 17:34 | <Gadi> hmm... a large envelope may be a good bet, too
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| 17:35 | warren, can you write me a script that will figure this out on a Friday?
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| 17:35 | <warren> Gadi, huh?
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| 17:35 | <Gadi> nm
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| 17:36 | <warren> Gadi, medium boxes are surprisngly big
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| 17:36 | Gadi, bigger in one dimension than "large"
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| 17:37 | <Gadi> heh, "large" or "large board game box"
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| 17:37 | honest - its on their site
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| 17:37 | :)
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| 17:37 | but, yeah, medium seems to be a better bet
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| 17:38 | <warren> Gadi, there's two mediums!
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| 17:38 | I think
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| 17:48 | <warren> Gadi, so gadi@ltsp.org?
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| 17:48 | Gadi, and do you want postage?
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| 17:50 | <Gadi> I'd love postage, but let me figure out things first
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| 17:51 | but do try that email
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| 17:51 | would love to see if it comes to the right place
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| 17:54 | <warren> Gadi, is the BTS in October in Maine?
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| 17:54 | Gadi, sent mail
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| 17:55 | <Gadi> yup
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| 17:56 | got the email
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| 18:51 | <bieb> Gadi: you still here?
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| 19:08 | <Gadi> sorta
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| 19:09 | warren: I actually managed to shove the little bugger in a small flat rate box
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| 19:09 | lol
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| 19:09 | it aint pretty
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| 19:09 | and you need to be an engineer to get it back in
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| 19:09 | :)
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| 19:09 | but, with enough tape, it should make it to you ok
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| 19:10 | <bieb> Gadi: any idea what I need to look at on the desktop shortcuts we were discussing?
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| 19:10 | <Gadi> sure
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| 19:10 | let's see...
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| 19:11 | for the menu, it can be in a few places
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| 19:11 | like /usr/share/applications
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| 19:11 | or the users' ~/.config or ~/.local
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| 19:11 | (I never remember
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| 19:11 | :)
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| 19:12 | it's like cascading style sheets, you can never quite remember which one you put it in
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| 19:12 | :)
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| 19:12 | <bieb> right
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| 19:12 | <Gadi> anyhow... for the desktop launchers, they should be in your users' ~/Desktop, unless you used Sabayon, in which case you may have put them in the Sabayon profile
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| 19:13 | <bieb> we didnt use Sabayon originally.. we were talking about using it.. but I would rather get everything back to normal since class starts Monday.. I can work on Sabayon in my test setup
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| 19:14 | <Gadi> I hear ya
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| 19:14 | it is hard to make a decent sabayon
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| 19:14 | and I think many have proven that
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| 19:14 | <bieb> :)
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| 19:17 | one other one for you.. when I built the ltsp server.. I used 9.04.. we had an issue and I rebuilt with 10.04.. the only issue I have is the way the home dirs were set.. in 9.04 it was /Home/Johnmarshall/%user% now it is /Home/local/Johnmarshall/%user% which config file has that setting? Some of the users have data in both spots now
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| 19:22 | <Gadi> sounds like you use likewise?
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| 19:22 | <bieb> yep
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| 19:22 | <Gadi> yeah, its a likewise config - and depends on version
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| 19:22 | which version?
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| 19:23 | <bieb> one sec
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| 19:32 | <bieb> version 6.0.0
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| 19:41 | <bieb> Gadi: version 6.0.0
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| 19:44 | <Gadi> http://www.likewise.com/resources/documentation_library/manuals/open/likewise-open-guide.html#SetHomeDirAndShell
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| 19:56 | <bieb> thanks
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| 22:27 | <stilia-johny> Anyone online..
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| 22:28 | <alkisg> !ask
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| 22:28 | <ltsp> alkisg: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel..
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| 22:41 | <TheMatrix3000> i constantly monitor the channel
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