IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 23 July 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:13 | <sbalneav> Night all
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| 00:20 | <akSeya> hi there..
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| 00:24 | i want to install ltsp5 on slackware.. then if everything goes right i want to integrate it and maintain LTSP5 packages for slackware...
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| 00:27 | <ari_stress> that's good
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| 00:28 | <akSeya> yeap.. but i need some help to start... i just can't find ltspinfod
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| 00:28 | i'm following this http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp
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| 00:29 | it says that ltspinfod can't be installed yet.. to be developed
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| 02:01 | <iMav> so, anyone here use the SYM1110 (Symbiont Mini)? (I think I ask this every time I'm on here) :)
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| 02:05 | <ari_stress> what's that?
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| 02:06 | <iMav> http://www.disklessthinclients.com/secure/images/SYM1110_small.jpg
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| 02:07 | <ari_stress> cool
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| 02:07 | <iMav> http://www.thesymbiont.com/mambots/editors/tinymce/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=20
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| 02:08 | I'm just curious if there are any performace issues with it and LTSP.
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| 02:08 | <ari_stress> we can send an email inquiry to them i think
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| 02:13 | <iMav> I'm looking at doing thin clients for the kids when I get home...and I know that my daughter would ove the look of that system.
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| 02:19 | anyone here frequently use thin clients such as the ones offered by disklessworkstations.com? (I am wondering how well, if at all they (coupled with ltsp, of course) work with wide aspect displays.
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| 02:21 | <ari_stress> iMav: since the concept of ltsp is that all the work is done on the server, then any client with 'decent' hardware will do
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| 02:21 | and i'm sure those proprietary thin client will do just great
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| 02:21 | either with ltsp or windows
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| 02:40 | <iMav> dang, keep losing connectivity. internet access in the sunni triangle just isn't what it used to be. :)
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| 02:51 | <ari_stress> zzz
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| 05:15 | <cliebow> iMav:ABSOLUTELY diskless thinclients will worek
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| 05:15 | they directly support ltsp..as in paying the gent that thought it up..
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| 06:43 | <robbie> evenings
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| 06:44 | <ari_stress> evenings
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| 06:44 | guys, is it ok if the server has more than 4GB of memory?
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| 07:29 | <ace_suares> !seen ogra
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| 07:29 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 17 hours, 43 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <ogra> noted down
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| 07:40 | <Drock> Hi
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| 07:40 | I have a one trouble
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| 07:41 | Installed LTSP, connected to the USB touchscreen terminal, copied driver in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input, build_x4_cfg prescribed in the script all they need, NO device loaded as mouse1 and the point, although the readme said that the device should be evenX where X number of the device. conf file for a piece
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| 07:41 | Section "InputDevice"
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| 07:41 | Identifier "touchscreen1"
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| 07:41 | Driver "etwousb"
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| 07:41 | Option "Device" "/dev/input/mouse1"
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| 07:41 | Option "AlwaysCore"
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| 07:41 | Option "ScreenNumber" "0"
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| 07:41 | Option "BoderLeft" "238"
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| 07:41 | Option "BoderRight" "1287"
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| 07:41 | Option "BoderTop" "412"
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| 07:41 | Option "BoderBottom" "1240"
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| 07:41 | EndSection
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| 07:41 | and log file
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| 07:41 | (**) option device dev/input/mouse1
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| 07:41 | ETWO USB TouchScreen port opened successfully
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| 07:41 | (--) USB Kernel Input device name "Unknown"
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| 07:41 | !ETWO USB Touchscreen : unknown type of hardware
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| 07:41 | <ltspbot> Drock: Error: "ETWO" is not a valid command.
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| 07:41 | <Drock> !! ETWO USB Touchscreen : unable to query/initialize hardware
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| 07:41 | <ltspbot> Drock: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
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| 07:41 | <Drock> !!!ETWO USB Touchscreen : driver work in silence mode
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| 07:41 | <ltspbot> Drock: Error: "!!ETWO" is not a valid command.
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| 07:41 | <Drock> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "ETWO USB Touchscreen" (type : TOUCHSCREEN)
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| 07:41 | As a result, a device that identifies not mouse1, but as eventX?
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| 08:46 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:50 | <ari_stress> evening sbalneav :D
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| 10:18 | <maddox> Hi there i'm having some problems with logging into a LTSP server i've created on Ubuntu Gutsy
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| 10:18 | Is anyone around that can help me debug the problem?
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| 10:18 | Basically I'm getting a graphical login prompt on the client
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| 10:19 | but as soon as I enter any login details it gives me a black screen with an animated cursor
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| 10:19 | and then hangs for ~5-10mins then takes me back to the login prompt
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| 10:21 | <sbalneav> maddox: have you done an ltsp-update-sshkeys, and then an ltsp-update-image?
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| 10:28 | <maddox> Yes, I get this message from ltsp-update-sshkeys, is it normal?
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| 10:28 | WARNING: /opt/ltsp/images/etc/ssh not found. skipping...
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| 10:28 | I have checked the ssh known hosts file though and it seems okay
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| 10:28 | I can SSH from the client's terminal (ctrl+alt+f1) into the server box fine
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| 10:32 | <Gadi> maddox: try (on the server): sudo apt-get install ltspfs
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| 10:32 | then, try logging in again
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| 10:33 | <sbalneav> Morning gadi
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> !s
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| 10:33 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> :)
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| 10:33 | sbalneav: u in portland?
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| 10:33 | <sbalneav> No, couldn't swing it.
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> me, neither - but its raining here, just to make me feel like I were there ;)
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| 10:36 | <maddox> "ltspfs is already the newest version."
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| 10:36 | <fgiraldeau> I'm in portland actualy, and it's realy cool.
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| 10:37 | <maddox> raining here in London too, as always
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| 10:37 | <Gadi> fgiraldeau: bonjoir
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| 10:37 | er, jour
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| 10:37 | heh
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| 10:37 | <fgiraldeau> Yesterday was the bof about LTSP scalability : http://www.ubuntulive.com/cs/ubuntu/view/e_sess/14832
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| 10:37 | Hi Gadi! Hope that you're fine
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| 10:38 | <Gadi> maddox: try setting SCREEN_01 = shell in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 10:38 | <maddox> then update the image?
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| 10:38 | <Gadi> no
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| 10:38 | you can put an lts.conf in that dir
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| 10:38 | and it will grab it on boot
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| 10:38 | (via tftp)
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| 10:38 | <maddox> :)
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| 10:39 | <Gadi> will help you troubleshoot
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| 10:39 | ;)
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| 10:39 | <maddox> Does that then override the one in the image?
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| 10:39 | <Gadi> once ur in a shell, launch ldm by hand and check for errors
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| 10:39 | <maddox> or do I need to mv the one from the image to tftpboot folder?
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| 10:39 | <Gadi> yes - it overrides
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| 10:39 | so, you can just copy the one in the image
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| 10:39 | and modify
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| 10:40 | <Drock_> Hi
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| 10:40 | <maddox> [default] SOUND=True LOCALDEV=True CONFIGURE_X=False
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| 10:40 | That's my existing one
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| 10:40 | Just incase you see any obvious problem with it!
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| 10:40 | <Gadi> nope thats the default :0
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| 10:40 | :)
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| 10:41 | <Drock_> Do you not help me with a problem?
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| 10:42 | <Gadi> Drock_: what seems to be the trouble?
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| 10:42 | <Drock_> I connect usb - etwotouch touchscreen terminal, but the logs can see that the device is defined as mouse1 and does not want to be defined as the event *
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> Drock_: are you on LTSP 4.2?
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| 10:43 | <Drock_> yes
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> did you set: X_TOUCH_DEVICE in lts.conf?
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| 10:44 | <maddox> sorry gadi, what parameters should I be passing to ldm from the console?
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| 10:44 | <Drock_> Yes, but the device works as mice :(
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| 10:45 | <maddox> ldm <vt[1-n]> <:[0-N]>
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| 10:45 | <Gadi> maddox: ldm vt7 :6
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| 10:45 | <Drock_> Clicking on any point, the cursor down the screen
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| 10:46 | <Gadi> Drock_: im not sure what the support is like in LTSP out of the box for USB touchscreens
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| 10:47 | iirc, the ELO USB screens require a kernel module to be loaded
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| 10:48 | <Gadi> but, if it detects it as mouse1, can you not just specify /dev/mouse1 and then add some calibration parameters?
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| 10:52 | <Drock_> I copied the file in the device driver /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input, calibration program does not work in this mode
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| 10:55 | <maddox> According to the ldm.log it's hanging at this point:
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| 10:55 | ssh_chat: looking for ssw2ord: from ssh fd
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| 10:56 | I've checked the SSH logs (even tried running ssh server in debug mode) on the server but it doesn't look like any connections are being made
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| 10:57 | Ahh, it just took a while (maybe reverse lookup?), now it says:
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| 10:57 | expect saw:
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| 10:57 | <sbalneav> What's the ip address of your server? Is it different from the default 192.168.0.254?
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| 10:57 | <maddox> ssh_chat: got it! Sending pw
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| 10:57 | Yes it is different
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| 10:57 | 10.1.60.15
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| 10:58 | <sbalneav> Can you paste your lts.conf file?
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| 10:58 | to the pastebin?
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| 10:58 | <maddox> What's the URL of the pastebin?
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| 10:58 | <sbalneav> !pastbot
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| 10:58 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "pastbot" is not a valid command.
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| 10:58 | <sbalneav> !pastebot
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| 10:58 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 10:58 | <maddox> Thanks
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| 11:00 | <ltsppbot> "Drock" pasted "xorg.log" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/226
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| 11:01 | "maddox" pasted "LTSP Client login problems" (47 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/227
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| 11:01 | <maddox> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.254 port 22: Connection timed out
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| 11:01 | <maddox> Found that in the ldm.log
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| 11:01 | I take it there's a configuration option to change somewhere?
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| 11:01 | <sbalneav> Set up a SERVER=10.1.60.15 line in your lts.conf
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| 11:01 | <ltsppbot> "Drock" pasted "& loadmodule xorg.log" (3 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/228
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| 11:04 | <maddox> Wahoo, it works!
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| 11:04 | Thanks guys!
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| 11:07 | <sbalneav> np
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| 11:18 | <Drock_> hi
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| 12:29 | <ogra> sbalneav, hey, thats your exact ltsp.org mailaddress ?
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| 12:29 | <ogra> s/thats/whats/
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| 12:30 | i want to put it in my slides
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| 12:30 | <jammcq> hey ogra
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| 12:30 | your talk starts at 12:10, correct?
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| 12:30 | <ogra> 12:05 i think
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| 12:31 | jammcq, same for you, whats your exact ltsp.org mailaddress for my slides ?
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| 12:31 | <fgiraldeau> Cool, I will download it as soon as I can :)
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| 12:31 | <jammcq> hmm, i'll get over there as quickly as possible
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| 12:32 | <ogra> sbalneav, hey, meet fgiraldeau, he has awesome ideas for clustering and load balancing and ges for MOTU to contribute !
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| 12:35 | <chupacabra> Could someone tell the spammers that Email is dead and deprecated by myspace and its ilk.
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| 12:39 | <ogra> jammcq_, is scotts address scott@ltsp.org ?
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| 12:40 | <jammcq_> sbalneav@ltsp.org
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| 12:40 | <ogra> or sbalneav ?
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| 12:40 | thanks :)
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| 12:40 | <jammcq_> k
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| 12:42 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: http://www.presseportal.de/polizeipresse/pm/6013/1020783/polizeipraesidium_mittelfranken <-- the weather in middle franconian ..
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| 12:43 | <absenth> roughly how powerful of a server would I need for 5 concurrent LTSP users? is there a guidline anywhere?
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| 12:44 | <jammcq_> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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| 12:44 | <absenth> thanks jammcq_
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| 12:45 | <absenth> it's been a while since we've chatted. my last experiance with LTSP was a 250 node intallation with 9 servers, but they were all using the Citrix ica client run local, so the hardware requirements were non-existant.
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| 12:47 | sounds like any modern server should handle my 5 node load with little or no problem. that's good to know. Thanks :)
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| 13:05 | <ogra> jammcq_, we'll need to update that for ltsp5 ... 50MB is a *bit* small ;)
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| 13:09 | <monteslu> anyone seen eric harrison lately?
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| 13:10 | I'm just kinda curious about the status on k12ltsp7, gonna be redoing my son's school next week
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| 13:14 | <ogra> he was at the ubuntulive conf yesterday ...
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| 13:14 | but we didnt talk about k12 ...
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| 13:15 | he might have a problem with ltsp i guess since redhat doesnt have an ltsp5 implementation yet and ltsp 4.x slowly moves into the unsupported realm
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| 13:17 | <dz0> Anyone up for helping diagnose a tftp issue? Its probably something stupid but Im stumped at this point. Local gets of a file work. Remote hang and time out. I see the RRQ request but no file is ever sent.
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| 13:32 | <fgiraldeau> sbalneav: I would be happy to talk with you about the clustering stuff of yesterday's BoF
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| 13:32 | <monteslu> ogra, thanks for the update
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| 13:32 | * monteslu ponders switching to edubuntu | |
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| 13:33 | <fgiraldeau> You can download the presentation : https://svn.revolutionlinux.com/MILLE/XTERM/trunk/Documentation/ubuntulive-2007-ltsp-scalability-bof/ltsp-scalabillity-presentation.odp
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| 13:34 | ogra: does sbalneav is at ubuntulive today?
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| 13:35 | <ogra> nope
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| 13:35 | he's home
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| 13:35 | <jammcq> ah, that's better
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| 13:35 | <fgiraldeau> good to know
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| 13:41 | <fgiraldeau> ogra: I wrote to scott, so I will wait and see
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| 13:41 | <ogra> yup
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| 13:42 | <fgiraldeau> ogra: are you anxious about your talk?
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| 13:42 | <ogra> only slightly ...
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| 13:42 | its a bigger audience than usual
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| 13:43 | <fgiraldeau> yeah, I agree
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| 13:50 | <sbalneav> back
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| 13:53 | <sbalneav> fgiraldeau: You wanted to speak to me about your presentation?
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| 13:53 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:53 | <fgiraldeau> sbalneav: yeah, do you have some time?
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| 13:54 | <sbalneav> Sure
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| 13:54 | <sbalneav> Wondering how you're going to get around this:
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| 13:54 | http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=715406
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| 13:55 | <whiprush> sbalneav: There is still time, get on a plane.
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| 13:55 | <ogra> sbalneav, not at all
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| 13:55 | <sbalneav> whiprush: Wife needs me here.
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| 13:55 | <ogra> whiprush, he wont make my talk though :/
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| 13:55 | * whiprush shakes fist in the air | |
| 13:55 | * ogra sees whiprush ... liar | |
| 13:56 | <fgiraldeau> sbalneav: it doesn't realy matter, OpenMosix is not realy useful for us I think.
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| 13:56 | <ogra> (sitting two rows behind)
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| 13:56 | <whiprush> how about now
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| 13:56 | <fgiraldeau> The realy goal is to make possible to get a pool of servers on wich dispatch user's sessions.
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| 13:57 | No OpenMosix there
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| 13:57 | <sbalneav> Well, we've talked about that before
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| 13:58 | How do you do it? Create a static list of ltsp session servers?
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| 13:58 | <fgiraldeau> I hope so, now we have to get it a reality
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| 13:58 | <monteslu> there something in the works other than specifing which mac goes to which ltsp server?
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| 13:58 | <fgiraldeau> Ok, how to get it done is realy details.
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| 13:58 | <ogra> sbalneav, we talked exactly about his spec at UDS ;)
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| 13:58 | <sbalneav> Right, that's what I was thinking.
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| 13:59 | fgiraldeau: I'm a details kind of guy :)
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| 13:59 | <Q-FUNK> greetings from estonian thin client details
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| 13:59 | <fgiraldeau> First, you need a hook in LDM to make it possible to select some server in the pool.
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| 13:59 | This is the loadbalancing part.
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| 14:00 | <sbalneav> fgiraldeau: Yep, we're doing that.
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| 14:00 | <fgiraldeau> Next, we need a central configuration repository for terminals.
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| 14:00 | <sbalneav> Well there's a couple of ways to handle that.
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| 14:00 | <monteslu> yeah, just have one ltsp server with all the info and other taht are just pointed to from it
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| 14:01 | * vagrantc thinks parsing /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts would be a good way to select servers | |
| 14:01 | <vagrantc> since you can't log into any server not defined there anyways.
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| 14:01 | <sbalneav> vagrantc++
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| 14:01 | <vagrantc> only problem is sometimes it's listed by ip and sometimes by host name
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| 14:01 | <sbalneav> good idea
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| 14:01 | <vagrantc> and usually both
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| 14:01 | so you don't want duplicate entries ...
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> yep, we can code around that, methinks.
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| 14:02 | <vagrantc> i guess you could log into a server defined by root (or whatever LDM run's as ) ~/.ssh/known_hosts
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> Then we'd just have to make getltspcfg ldap aware
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| 14:02 | which wouldn't be too hard.
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| 14:03 | <fgiraldeau> The hardest thing to do I think, is not assume that every users will be on the same server.
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| 14:03 | <vagrantc> why does getltspcfg need to be ldap aware ?
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| 14:03 | <sbalneav> ltsp does, in fact, actually have a registered LDAP id
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| 14:03 | <fgiraldeau> For example, you are working on a bug to let user have only one session at a time, right?
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| 14:03 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: if you're planning on having lts.conf entries centralized
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| 14:03 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ok.
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| 14:04 | could just write a utility that queries ldap and generates an lts.conf ...
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| 14:04 | <fgiraldeau> How do you enforce that if one session is on one server, and the user is trying to actualy start a session on another server?!
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> social engineering
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| 14:04 | <sbalneav> fgiraldeau: Personally, I think that's a bogus bug. REALLY what needs to be done is fix gnome/kde so that THEY don't assume that you've only got one session. But that's a much bigger job.
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| 14:05 | The "single login" issue is because gnome/kde break horribly if you login twice.
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> if you're sharing your home directory across servers ... ?
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| 14:05 | <sbalneav> When I used to run icewm, it worked fine if I logged in multiple times.
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| 14:06 | <fgiraldeau> Yeah, I agree with you on that point. Not only KDE and Gnome, but also OpenOffice, Firefox and many others
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> Yeah, it's a big problem.
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| 14:06 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: icewm doesn't have filelocking session management
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> well, we could implement a check in LDM
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| 14:07 | <fgiraldeau> vagrantc: you're right, if home is shared, then you can use a lock file in the home directory to know if the user is already logged somewhere else
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| 14:07 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 14:07 | just drop something in /etc/X11/Xsession.d
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: and listen to ogra scream
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| 14:08 | <ogra> boo
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| 14:08 | <fgiraldeau> It could also be possible to write a session manager, like MS does. That will be helpful too for session resuming in some time.
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> fgiraldeau: of course, we'd need a way to handle stale lock files
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| 14:08 | * ogra needs to prepare for the talk ... bbl | |
| 14:08 | <vagrantc> fgiraldeau: yeah, i like the idea of a server-side session manager.
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| 14:08 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: have fun!
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> but *some people* don't.
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| 14:08 | <sbalneav> fgiraldeau: We've talked about that before. You need magic in Xorg to make that happen.
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| 14:09 | <fgiraldeau> I need to move to the room for the ogra talk, but I'm realy happy to see that people is interested about that
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| 14:09 | Let's turn those talks into code.
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| 14:09 | <sbalneav> Are you subscribed to edubuntu-[users/devel] and/or ltsp-discuss mailing lists?
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| 14:10 | <fgiraldeau> Yeah
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| 14:10 | <sbalneav> fgiraldeau: we're way ahead of you.
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| 14:10 | <fgiraldeau> ltsp-discuss
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| 14:10 | why do you say that?
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| 14:10 | I already implemented it :)
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| 14:10 | <sbalneav> because we talked about the multi-server thing back in may :)
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| 14:10 | <fgiraldeau> mille-xterm
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| 14:10 | Since 3 years
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| 14:11 | <sbalneav> But you've never EVER once sent any patches to us, have you?
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| 14:11 | <fgiraldeau> The problem is that documentation is only in french and packages are only available for Mandriva.
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| 14:12 | It was too much overhead at start, but now we are ready to get things integrated.
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| 14:12 | So, I'm here for that, to share my experience and my time to get this done.
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| 14:13 | <sbalneav> Well, idle on this channel. We're developing now.
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| 14:14 | <fgiraldeau> Good! I realy need to move to the talk of Ogra. see ya!
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| 14:14 | Realy cool to meet you sbalneav and vagrantc
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| 14:16 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: I like your idea.
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: which one ?
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| 14:17 | fgiraldeau: so you're in portland ?
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| 14:17 | <sbalneav> login hosts from the ssh_known hosts
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| 14:18 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: yeah, i think that's the way to go. ideally create a nice frontend for updating ssh_known_hosts ...
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| 14:18 | <sbalneav> The admin just sets up the keys, and then which host to log into can be done from the client.
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> just tuning in, but with sbalneav's most excellent rc.d/ dir, I would favor being able to grab instruction on which server to connect to pre-login via ssh to the boot server
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| 14:18 | or some such
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| 14:19 | <sbalneav> by the time you've got rc.d, you're already logged in :)
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| 14:19 | <Gadi> ah, right
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| 14:19 | <sbalneav> unless you disconnect, and reconnect elsewhere.
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| 14:19 | <Gadi> nm
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> well, could could have several *.d for different purposes
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| 14:20 | * Gadi crawls back in hole | |
| 14:20 | <vagrantc> or different phases
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| 14:20 | though important not to get too crazy.
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| 14:20 | <Gadi> right
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| 14:20 | <fgiraldeau> vagrantc: yeah, I'm assisting to the talk of ogra right now.
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> i sunk my enthusiam for lessdisks by going crazy with run-parts directories
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| 14:20 | <Gadi> fgiraldeau: are you the sexy booth babe?
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| 14:20 | :)
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| 14:21 | <fgiraldeau> What?
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> fgiraldeau: i probably won't be at the talks, but i'm in town. i'll be working at freegeek a bunch this week.... but i'd be happy to meet with folks.
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| 14:21 | <Gadi> you know, the pretty one?
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> we should get some of the LTSP crowd in for a tour of freegeek
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| 14:21 | <Q-FUNK> flirty penguin spotted.
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| 14:21 | <fgiraldeau> Now, we didn't get to the hooters yet :)
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> lol
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> although, most shamefully, freegeek is still running lessdisks
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| 14:22 | yay! lessdisks.net expired!
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| 14:22 | <Q-FUNK> pity I didn't hear about the event earlier. i could have easily booked a flight on company expense
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| 14:22 | <fgiraldeau> jammcq had reserved to a brezilian steakhouse for 6:30.
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| 14:23 | vagrantc: will you join?
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> steakhouse is probably not my kind of thing :)
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| 14:23 | <fgiraldeau> One time will not kill you...
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| 14:24 | Come on :)
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| 14:24 | And usualy, there is a salad bar
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| 14:24 | <Gadi> vagrantc: watching LTSP folk at a steakhouse is a spectator sport
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| 14:24 | <fgiraldeau> That is much lighter
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| 14:24 | <vagrantc> pfft.
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| 14:24 | <Q-FUNK> you could kil your own eggplant, for a change
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| 14:24 | <whiprush> I am going to have a cow just for me
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| 14:24 | <vagrantc> i could rally some animal rights activists out front or something :)
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| 14:25 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi: would you happen to have your dbe61 with you there this week?
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| 14:25 | <vagrantc> and hassle y'all on the way in
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| 14:25 | <whiprush> I'll eat them too
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| 14:25 | <Gadi> Q-FUNK: alas, I am not there
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| 14:25 | * vagrantc tries to think of a venue more agreeable to all parties | |
| 14:25 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi: something tells me we're both missing on a great feast
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> something tells me you are more than me
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| 14:26 | :)
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> oh, tonight i've got other commitments anyways
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> I am as much a spectator as vagrantc
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| 14:26 | if not more so
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| 14:26 | :P
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| 14:26 | <Q-FUNK> :-P
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| 14:26 | i like social gatherings and steak. so sue me :-P
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| 14:37 | <fgiraldeau> It's soo cool : ogra included the loadbalancing stuff in it's presentation.
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| 14:37 | With central users management
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| 14:40 | Time to lunch
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| 14:58 | <rcy> a friend and I were giving a presentation at a local lug a few years ago, and were offered dinner before the event at the Keg steakhouse. we are both vegans.
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| 14:59 | * vagrantc could go for ethiopian sometime this week | |
| 15:03 | <dberkholz> my schedule's looking fairly open wednesday and thursday evening for dinner
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| 15:07 | well, more wednesday
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| 15:13 | <servidor> how was the other way to create a etherboot disk without using cat?
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| 15:15 | <servidor> can please some one tell me the way to create a diskete for a ltsp client?
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| 15:16 | in the room o matic says to use car but it seens to not work
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| 15:17 | <chupacabra> I used to do it with dd. i dont think it has changed.
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| 15:20 | <servidor> i get an error with dd
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| 15:20 | <chupacabra> cat etherboot.zdsk > /dev/fd0 looks good too
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| 15:21 | <servidor> input/output error
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| 15:21 | <sbalneav> servidor: You could use rawrite in dos if you'd like
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| 15:21 | <chupacabra> probably a bad floppy
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| 15:21 | <sbalneav> but dd if=etherboot.zdsk of=/dev/fd0 bs=8192 should work
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| 15:22 | if not, I'd go with chupacabra and say bad floppy
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| 15:22 | <chupacabra> yo scotty
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| 15:22 | <sbalneav> hey chup
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| 15:22 | <chupacabra> you good?
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| 15:22 | keeping jim in line?
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| 15:23 | <sbalneav> heh, I do my thing :)
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| 15:23 | <servidor> changet de diskette and get no error now im gona probe on the client
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| 15:25 | it worket thanks
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| 15:25 | <chupacabra> sweet
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| 15:26 | <servidor> it the kubuntu 7.04 i cant use a console to administrate the ltsp server, true?
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| 15:26 | how do i see if my dhcp is up
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| 15:26 | ?
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| 16:09 | <iMav> any clue how the thin client offerings from disklessworkstations.com play with wide aspect displays? (and LTSP, of course)
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| 16:12 | I'm planning on setting up a 5 client LTSP setup with new thin client equipment and want to know what the best options for LCD displays would be (hense my question about wide aspect displays).
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| 16:13 | <sbalneav> iMav: I'd email disklessworkstations.com and ask. I'm pretty sure they'll have that info.
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| 16:14 | <iMav> sbalneav: ok, thanks. I figured some people here would have some of their equipment...but asking over several days here seems to indicate that that is not the case. :)
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| 16:20 | <sbalneav> I do have some of their equipment, but I've never used it at anything other than "standard" resolutions. i.e. 1280x1024 and 1600x1200
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| 16:28 | <iMav> ok, emails sent off to disklessworkstations.com and disklessthinclents.com. :)
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| 16:30 | I don't have a problem buying SXGA+ and UXGA displays...but since I'm buying all new equipment, if wide aspect displays will work nicely, might as well go that route.
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| 16:31 | I'm also wondering if there is a tipping point regarding minimum CPU/RAM/etc where there starts to be a significant fall off in regards to performance, boot time, etc (with LTSP 5.0).
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| 16:32 | <jammcq> hola
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| 16:33 | <iMav> sbalneav: which thin clients from disklessworkstations.com do you have/regularly use?
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| 16:36 | <ogra> jammcq, where do you hide ?
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| 16:36 | <sbalneav> Bunch of them
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| 16:36 | <jammcq> ogra: i'm in a session on Postgres
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| 16:36 | <sbalneav> 150, 125, 225, etc.
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| 16:36 | <jammcq> it'll be over at 5pm
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| 16:36 | <sbalneav> hey jammcq, update some indexes for me :)
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| 16:36 | <ogra> no 170 ?
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| 16:36 | <sbalneav> No, I don't have a 170.
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| 16:36 | <jammcq> no 1220 ?
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| 16:37 | <sbalneav> it's one of the few I don't have
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| 16:37 | Which one's the 1220?
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| 16:37 | That the hp box?
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| 16:37 | <jammcq> no
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| 16:37 | it's black and red
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| 16:37 | red bezel on a black case
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| 16:37 | <sbalneav> No, I don't have that one.
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| 16:38 | well, time for me to pedal 12 km home
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| 16:38 | <jammcq> heh
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| 16:38 | bike ride today,eh?
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| 16:38 | <sbalneav> in 91F (32c) weather.
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| 16:38 | <jammcq> or did you install pedals in your car ?
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| 16:38 | <sbalneav> I'll be a bit damp
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| 16:38 | <ogra> ugh
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| 16:38 | * vagrantc needs to find a bike again | |
| 16:39 | <jammcq> vagrantc: where were you today? you shoulda been here to support ogra
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| 16:39 | although he did a great job, even without the support :)
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| 16:39 | <ogra> thanks :)
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| 16:39 | <dberkholz> ogra: got slides anywhere yet?
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| 16:39 | <sbalneav> night all, I'll be on later
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| 16:40 | <iMav> so, for those others that have the LTSP thin client appliances (as sbalneav is leaving)...is there a minimum configuration (CPU, RAM, etc) with which you see a significant hit in performance/boot times/etc if you fall below?
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| 16:40 | <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSP_talk_ubuntulive.pdf
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| 16:40 | dberkholz, ^^^^^
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| 16:40 | <dberkholz> sweet, thanks
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| 16:40 | <vagrantc> jammcq: recovering from two consecutive days of partying
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| 16:40 | <jammcq> ogra: my last name ends in 'an', not 'ian'
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| 16:40 | <dberkholz> ogra: 403
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| 16:41 | <ogra> jammcq, eeek
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| 16:41 | <jammcq> yeah, I missed that in the review of your slides
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> is ubuntu-live open to the public ?
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| 16:41 | <jammcq> but, that's ok
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| 16:41 | <ogra> dberkholz, i got it open here ...
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> i'm doing some hardware hacking... need to have it finished by tonight, pretty much
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| 16:41 | <dberkholz> wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSP_talk_ubuntulive.pdf
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| 16:41 | ... Connecting to people.ubuntu.com|82.211.81.132|:80... connected.
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| 16:41 | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
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| 16:41 | <ogra> strange
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| 16:41 | <jammcq> ogra: I'm getting forbidden too
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| 16:42 | but I grabbed it earlier
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| 16:42 | <ogra> yeah
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| 16:42 | i added your fix
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| 16:42 | seems copying it over chmodded it
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| 16:42 | <dberkholz> umask?
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| 16:43 | <ogra> try again
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| 16:43 | <dberkholz> working
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| 16:43 | <ogra> great :)
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| 16:43 | <dberkholz> ogra: a little uncomfortable with the "confidential" at the bottom
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| 16:43 | <ogra> heh, yes i only discovered it to late
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| 16:44 | <jammcq> btw, the ltsp wiki seems to be down.
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| 16:44 | I can't connect to it
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| 16:44 | <ogra> the template had that
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| 16:44 | <jammcq> and it's 1800 miles away from me right now :(
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| 16:44 | <ogra> gah
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| 16:44 | yeah its gone
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| 16:44 | vagrantc, i'll leave wed. 8:30 am ...
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| 16:45 | <vagrantc> meh.
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| 16:45 | <ogra> so tomorrow is my last day
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| 16:45 | ah, o'rilley keynote now
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| 16:46 | <dberkholz> ogra: there's a typo in the screenshot of the thin client manager. "any may" -> "and may". other than that, the gui apps look awesome though
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| 16:47 | <ogra> well, the second slide are only mockups yet :)
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| 16:47 | there is no working backend to the gui
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| 16:47 | i'll fix the typo, thanks for nticing
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| 16:47 | <dberkholz> ogra: we should get ltsp people together tuesday pm then. i'm free after dinner till 10, afaik
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| 16:48 | <ogra> great
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| 16:48 | i know jim was planning soemthing tonight though
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| 16:48 | <dberkholz> i'm not in town till tomorrow
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| 16:48 | <ogra> ah
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| 16:48 | <jammcq> brazilian tonight
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| 16:48 | <dberkholz> i'm skipping your wacky ubuntu conference. =P
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| 16:49 | <ogra> pfft and i even mentioned gentoo in my talk
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> i'll be free after 7 on tuesday
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| 16:49 | <ogra> (and i dint make *any* joke about compiling)
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| 16:50 | <dberkholz> ogra: heh, thanks
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| 16:50 | i think i'll make a few of those during my talk
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| 16:50 | <ogra> heh
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| 16:50 | <vagrantc> this weekend has been too damned busy to do everything
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| 16:50 | <dberkholz> my talk summary is even a pun for those who know something about gentoo
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| 17:00 | <ogra> "the future is here, just not evenly distributed yet"
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| 17:00 | *grin*
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| 17:01 | wow, o'rilley praises LP a *lot*
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| 17:01 | <whiprush> yeah, surprising
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| 17:01 | <dberkholz> LP?
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| 17:01 | <ogra> launchpad
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| 17:01 | <dberkholz> oh.
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| 17:01 | i'll be happy to praise it once the rest of it goes OSS
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| 17:01 | <ogra> well, he's right
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| 17:01 | <dberkholz> was really nice to see storm
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| 17:01 | <ogra> it wont ...
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| 17:01 | at least not in the near future
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| 17:02 | it would break the concept of LP if anyone would open a second LP
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| 17:02 | <slipttees> hey
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| 17:02 | <dberkholz> ogra: not if they can talk to each other
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| 17:02 | <ogra> still
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| 17:02 | <slipttees> parametr for set screen ?
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| 17:02 | X_MODE_0 ?
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| 17:02 | <dberkholz> ah, this was the quote that made me think more of it would be
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| 17:02 | "This will be the first complete Launchpad component to be released as open source software."
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| 17:03 | <slipttees> doc about this configs?
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| 17:04 | <ogra> dberkholz, its one component
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| 17:04 | <vagrantc> slipttees: X_MODE_0=1024x768 should work on ltsp 4.x and debian based LTSP 5 ... but i think it's broken on some versions of ubuntu LTSP 5
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| 17:04 | <dberkholz> right. but when you say the first, that implies more. if not the whole thing.
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| 17:04 | <ogra> and it shall show that, oce the software is in, we'll go on to reales the rest
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| 17:04 | <dberkholz> anyway, we're way OT here
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| 17:05 | <ogra> yeah
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| 17:05 | <dberkholz> i've gotta do some work for my real job. bbl
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| 17:05 | <slipttees> vagrantc, ltsp5 ?
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| 17:05 | <ogra> vagrantc, you need to use X_HORZSYNC, X_VERTREFERSH in ubuntu in all releases
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| 17:05 | <slipttees> X_MODE_0 dont work ?
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| 17:05 | <vagrantc> !ltsp5
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| 17:05 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ltsp5" is ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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| 17:05 | <ogra> (not in gutsy though)
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| 17:07 | <ogra> vagrantc, wiki is down
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| 17:07 | <vagrantc> slipttees: the ltsp-server packages in ubuntu and debian are "ltsp 5" implementations.
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| 17:07 | <slipttees> dawm
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| 17:07 | wink down :(
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| 17:08 | <ogra> nice, o'rilley considers LP to be typically web 2.0
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| 17:09 | <slipttees> vagrantc, workstation dont set correct screen...screen dont suported!! :)
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| 17:09 | :(
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| 17:09 | 640x480@600
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| 17:09 | <ogra> slipttees, which distro
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| 17:09 | <slipttees> default is 1024x768 :(
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| 17:09 | Ubuntu 7.04
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| 17:10 | <ogra> look up the right horizontal sync and vertical refresh values for your monitor
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| 17:10 | add them to lts.conf
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| 17:10 | that should help
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| 17:10 | <slipttees> 640x480@60
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| 17:10 | all monitors!
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| 17:10 | <vagrantc> the @60 part isn't supported
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| 17:11 | <slipttees> :(
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| 17:11 | ???
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| 17:11 | <ogra> slipttees, see /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz for the right variables
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| 17:11 | <vagrantc> X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH
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| 17:11 | use those
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| 17:11 | <ogra> or use a static xorg.conf
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| 17:11 | <slipttees> wiki dont have this parameters ?
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| 17:12 | <ogra> slipttees, they are specific to your HW
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| 17:12 | s/HW/monitor/
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| 17:12 | googling for the model/make of your monitor should help
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| 17:12 | <fgiraldeau> ogra: seems that it could be a good idea to add freq settings onto the gui that you're planning
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| 17:12 | <ogra> or look at the handbook
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| 17:13 | <slipttees> Pentium 100 24Mb ram Monitor Samuray max 640x480@60
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| 17:13 | <ogra> fgiraldeau, gutsy uses X_MODE
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| 17:13 | we do X detection differently
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| 17:13 | <slipttees> gusty no releases yet!
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| 17:13 | <ogra> so thats not really needed anymore
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| 17:14 | slipttees, find out the values and set these variables
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| 17:14 | <slipttees> humm
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| 17:14 | ogra, :-*
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| 17:14 | thx for support man!
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| 17:15 | <ogra> (or get monitors that report the DDC right)
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| 17:15 | <slipttees> ogra, ltsp5 still support Isa cards ?
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> slipttees: as well as the host distro does
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| 17:17 | <slipttees> *-) ??
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| 17:18 | yep or nope ?
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| 17:21 | <vagrantc> slipttees: if you are running ubuntu, and LTSP 5 based on ubuntu, then your hardware support will be the same for LTSP and ubuntu.
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| 17:21 | <slipttees> ahhhhh ok thx :-*
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| 17:22 | <jamie> when I plug a usb device into my client Compaqu ssf it does not auto mount using fuse. But my hp laptop as a client does. If I reboot my ssf then fuse mounts the device. Any ideas?
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| 17:29 | <jamie> ok could any help with with a command to mount the device with out a reboot?
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| 17:30 | <slipttees> ups
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| 17:54 | <johnny> hi folks, i'm having trouble finding the ldm patch to enable autologin, can somebody give me the url ?
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| 17:54 | or even better, a binary
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| 18:15 | <klausade> johnny: http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg31484.html
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| 18:16 | * ogra gave him the LP url with the patch altready in #edubuntu ;) | |
| 18:16 | <klausade> ok
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| 19:07 | <jammcq> ogra: where is your hotel?
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| 19:08 | <ogra> the red lion across the crossing
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| 19:08 | the wiki is back btw
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| 19:08 | <ogra> (in case you didnt notice yet)
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| 19:09 | <jammcq> oh?
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| 19:09 | * jammcq wonders how that is possible | |
| 19:10 | <jammcq> I had my daughter take the interface down, and back up. when eth0 came back up, it got a 192.168.. address, instead of the normal public address
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| 19:10 | <ogra> no idea
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| 19:10 | i had a "no route to host" error
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| 19:10 | <jammcq> dunno how it fixed itself
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| 19:10 | <ogra> probably only a router hickup
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| 19:12 | <jammcq> I have 2 new neighbors, and I was thinking something happened when they got connected
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| 19:14 | <ogra> yeah, might have been a headend outage
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| 19:18 | <jammcq> ogra: we're heading over near you.
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| 22:16 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 22:18 | <sbalneav> Evening otavio
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| 22:30 | <johnny> hi folks, i'm trying to get two imacs to netboot, but i don't know how to proceed
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| 22:30 | i don't know much about macs
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| 22:30 | <johnny> i have my dhcp server serving up the proper options (i think)
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| 22:31 | and i have a powerpc instance in /opt/ltsp
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| 22:31 | now i just need to know how to configure the clients
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| 22:35 | <sbalneav> ogra'd be the person you want there, but I happen to know he's indisposed at the moment. :)
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| 22:35 | <johnny> as in drunk?
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| 22:35 | lol
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| 22:35 | <sbalneav> Have you installed yaboot on the server?
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| 22:35 | <johnny> yes
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| 22:35 | or wait..
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| 22:35 | <sbalneav> Not yet, but he's on his way to dinner.
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| 22:35 | <johnny> i have a yaboot b inary
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| 22:36 | in the tftproot
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| 22:36 | <sbalneav> All I know is it has something to do with yaboot.
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| 22:36 | <johnny> yes :)
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| 22:36 | i know that much :)
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| 22:36 | <sbalneav> Have you checked the mailing list archives>
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| 22:36 | <johnny> is there a good way to search them?
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| 22:36 | hmm are they on nabble or something similiar?
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| 22:37 | <sbalneav> GIYF
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| 22:37 | <johnny> google sucks
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| 22:37 | <sbalneav> add +ltsp-discuss
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| 22:37 | pfft, yeah right
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| 22:37 | <johnny> i had to read a page in french to configure dhcp correctly :)
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| 22:38 | <sbalneav> Life's tough.
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| 22:41 | <johnny> sadly there's only 8 results from typing in yaboot ltsp-discuss into google
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| 22:41 | i was looking at "yaboot ltsp" but that didn't help much either
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| 22:43 | <sbalneav> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup
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| 22:43 | http://elliot.ecowizards.com/wp/archives/2006/05/18/ltsp-booting-old-mac-hardware/
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| 22:44 | I got buckets of results
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| 22:45 | <sbalneav> The second one even gives you all the vendor codes you'll need in dhcpd.conf to make it work.
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| 22:46 | <sbalneav> Here's some more: http://k12os.org/?q=aggregator/sources/3
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| 22:46 | more dhcpd goodness
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| 22:51 | <johnny> yaboot ltsp has tons of results for sure
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| 22:51 | but not with ltsp-discuss
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| 22:51 | i found ltspcrossarch setup but that was very useless
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| 22:52 | it says that you need specific options in dhcpd.conf but fails to give them
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| 22:52 | i did use it to build the client tho
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| 22:52 | and that was good
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| 22:52 | but it doesn't tell you anything else tho
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| 22:53 | most of the stuff i found seemed to require more intimate knowledge of yaboot or openfirmware than i currently have
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| 22:57 | <sbalneav> Did you look up the ecowizards link?
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| 22:58 | it GIVES you the dhcpd.conf example.
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| 22:58 | As for yaboot documentation itself, http://yaboot.ozlabs.org/
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| 23:42 | <Drock> hi
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| 23:42 | <iMav> hello
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| 23:43 | <Drock> i have a one small trouble
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| 23:44 | my usb touchscreen doesnt work with ltsp 4.2
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| 23:44 | <iMav> that seems like more than a small trouble. :)
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| 23:45 | <Drock> well, yes
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| 23:46 | <sbalneav> Did you set the touchscreen variables like gadi advised you this morning?
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| 23:46 | <sbalneav> Lets have a look at your lts.conf file. Paste it to the pastebot, please.
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| 23:47 | !pastbot
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| 23:47 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "pastbot" is not a valid command.
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| 23:47 | <sbalneav> !pastebot
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| 23:47 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 23:47 | <Drock> yes, USE_TOUCH = Y
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| 23:48 | <iMav> "USE_TOUCH = Y"??? why does the config file have to be so dang cryptic??? :)
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| 23:48 | <sbalneav> I beleive there's more to it than that.
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| 23:48 | Have a look in the lts.conf.example file.
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| 23:49 | it's in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc as well.
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| 23:50 | <ltsppbot> "Drock" pasted "lts.conf" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/229
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| 23:52 | <sbalneav> You need such parameters as:
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| 23:52 | X_TOUCH_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" or whatever the device is X_TOUCH_TYPE = D
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| 23:52 | etc.
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| 23:53 | so there's some more stuff you need, I think
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| 23:54 | <Drock> ok,now it try
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| 23:55 | <iMav> is this thread relevant? http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg26020.html
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| 23:57 | <Drock> I think this is what I need
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