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Channel log from 30 November 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <sutula> vernier: That's the only place I've seen it, but I have to admit that I haven't looked in the "correct" places you mentioned.
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| 00:15 | <vernier> there is talk of a patch by gadi that supposedly fixes the problem, although no one seems to confirm that for sure
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| 00:16 | http://forum.freespire.org/showthread.php?p=90297
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| 00:20 | and the official bug description is here (and is active being discussed) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/161794
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| 00:22 | <sutula> vernier: I ran across http://www.nabble.com/Auto-Login-Thin-Clients-t4468318.html
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| 00:22 | There were pointers there to a python-based ldm that has autologin support, but I didn't try it
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| 00:34 | <vernier> thanks! it does lift my spirit: the python ldm is written by scott b and has been confirmed by one other person to work back in sept 2007
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| 00:39 | i'll test it out tomorrow
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| 00:39 | i also found this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/67366
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| 00:40 | which explains that logging in twice with the same username causes a hang (and i do often log in twice under the same name)
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| 03:41 | <autoditac> Hi. I'm using ltsp 5.0 from Ubuntu Gutsy and so far, everything works as expected - great! with one exeption. the clients video is totally borked and i want to check if the wrong video driver gets loaded (it's a via onboard chip) - so: where do i find the thin clients logfiles?
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| 05:19 | <nubae> hi there...
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| 05:20 | This is going to sound like a weird question but... is there somewhere I can download a default /etc directory for an edubuntu gutsy amd64 setup :-) ?
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| 05:20 | <ogra> you shouldnt
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| 05:20 | <nubae> I deleted my /etc dir by accident
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| 05:20 | <ogra> many contents in there are created dynamically
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| 05:20 | <nubae> I wanted to move from backup to /etc
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| 05:21 | and instead did something really stupid
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| 05:21 | ok, so, install again and copy over the dir...
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| 05:21 | <ogra> so if you just pick the /etc form a different machine thats surely leading to problems
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| 05:21 | <nubae> yeah makes sense
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| 05:21 | <ogra> (it starts with /etc/password having totally differnt UIDs for example ... )
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| 05:22 | <nubae> thats not too bad, because backups are in /var
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| 05:22 | that I already revived
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| 05:22 | <ogra> i think you are faster with a reinstall than copying over /etc and then taking weeks to find the errors
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| 05:23 | and even if you *think* you found all differences that might still be any that show the errors only later
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| 05:23 | if you have a full backup of *this machines* /etc but only a bit outdated, that would work though
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| 05:24 | <nubae> I do, but I'm getting errors with xauth and xrdb
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| 05:24 | when a user other than admin tries to login
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| 05:25 | well, I've spent a good 4 hours on this already, its going to take 4 hours to install and get to working if start from scratch now
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| 05:25 | I hate those Xsession errors
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| 05:27 | <nubae> only done it 6 times on the same machine :-) and there I am telling people how dangerous rm -rf is... and woopee I do it myself...
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| 05:30 | the thing is, I dont want to put in all the users again... cant I just backup shadow, passwd, group, and sgroup?
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| 05:31 | or pehaps in lite of the xsession errors, take a new installed /etc dir and copy the X11 and gdm dirs over?
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| 09:37 | <Gadi> sbalneav: ping
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| 09:44 | <alekibango> hello, is there some good documentation for debian sid or lenny? i cannot find much on the net.
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| 09:47 | <ogra> !debian
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| 09:47 | <ltspbot> ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 09:47 | <ogra> alekibango, ^^^^^
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| 09:48 | <BGomes> !slackware
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| 09:48 | <ltspbot> BGomes: Error: "slackware" is not a valid command.
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| 09:48 | <BGomes> ogra: I want slackware too heheh
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| 09:49 | <ogra> BGomes, so find somebody to implement ltsp5 in slackware :)
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| 09:49 | <alekibango> ogra: oh, thats not good enough, seems like i will have to edit it when i understand ltsp more :D
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| 09:49 | <ogra> why is that not good enough
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| 09:49 | <BGomes> ogra: I few days u have a project page at ltsp5.s1solucoes.com.br
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| 09:50 | <ogra> BGomes, rather contribute to the ltsp tree :)
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| 09:50 | else you end up like opensuse and have to redo everything if you want it supported in the upstream code
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| 09:50 | <BGomes> ogra: We are to translate for ingles all information about slackware+ltsp
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| 09:51 | <alekibango> ogra: its old, chaotic, not very complete
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| 09:51 | <BGomes> ogra: How is rather ?
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| 09:51 | <alekibango> and >>not explaining the stuff<<
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| 09:51 | <ogra> alekibango, well, it lists the two commands you need to have it runnng out of the box ...
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| 09:51 | <alekibango> well that was not enough for me,
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| 09:51 | <ogra> there is not much to explain anymore in ltsp5 ... it just works
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| 09:52 | well, ok in debian its more than the two commands you need in ubuntu ...
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| 09:52 | but still its not much more
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| 09:53 | <alekibango> ogra: well i could not login after first boot
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| 09:53 | <ogra> alekibango, if you make updates to the page, please coordinate with vagrantc, he maintains the debian port
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| 09:53 | <alekibango> using those 2 commands
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| 09:53 | <ogra> so you changed the ip after running ltsp-build-client i guess
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| 09:53 | <alekibango> yes i booted well
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| 09:53 | <ogra> run ltsp-update-sshkeys in that case
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| 09:53 | <alekibango> i did
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| 09:53 | thats even more and more commands, you know?
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| 09:54 | had to change rights to fuse :D
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| 09:54 | <BGomes> alekibango: and run ltsp-update-image too
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| 09:54 | <alekibango> and now i am thinking 'why my kde is not running'
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| 09:54 | BGomes: i deleted the image - > so i use nfs now
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| 09:55 | <BGomes> alekibango: and your ldm remote command on lts.conf its ok?
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| 09:55 | <alekibango> will check
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| 09:56 | for now only 'xterm' session works :D
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| 09:56 | and blackbox runned from the xterm -> but not kde...
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| 09:56 | :D
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| 09:56 | * alekibango goes out for few hours, thanks for tips | |
| 09:57 | <ogra> BGomes, debian cant use the image
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| 09:57 | it uses nfs
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| 09:57 | their unionfs version is broken
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| 09:58 | <BGomes> ogra: I am test it of ubuntu, I dont use debian
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| 09:58 | <ogra> alekibango, ldm does: ssh -X user@host /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 09:59 | alekibango, so make sure you have a proper session file there
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| 09:59 | * ogra hugs his ubuntu :) | |
| 10:00 | <BGomes> alekibango: Why u dont use ubuntu :) ?
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| 10:02 | <ogra> or kubuntu if you love KDE
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| 10:02 | * ogra thinks it because of philosophical issues like many debian users ... | |
| 10:03 | <BGomes> ogra: kubunto it's not ubuntu like
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| 10:04 | *kubuntu
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| 10:04 | <ogra> its ubuntu with KDE desktop
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| 10:04 | everything below te desktop is identical
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| 10:04 | <BGomes> ogra: but dont have easy to use like ubuntu (gnome)
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| 10:05 | * ogra cant really compare ... the last kubuntu i booted was 6.10 thats a year ago | |
| 10:06 | <Gadi> Q-FUNK: hey
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| 10:06 | <BGomes> ogra: ubunto at gnome its work... at kde is not good... I am prefer suse 10.3 and kiwi-ltsp for kde (at box)
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| 10:06 | <Q-FUNK> hey :)
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| 10:06 | <Gadi> any word on this amd driver?
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| 10:06 | * Gadi is surrounded by broken things!!!!! | |
| 10:06 | <ogra> Gadi, i guess you have to poke upstream rather :)
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| 10:07 | <Gadi> nobody listens to my poking
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| 10:07 | :)
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| 10:07 | <ogra> i wonder what fedora did, i mean they released recently as well ... do they use the same xorg and driver versions ?
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| 10:08 | <cyberorg> BGomes, you use kiwi-ltsp?
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| 10:09 | <BGomes> cyberorg: I test for some days
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| 10:09 | <cyberorg> BGomes, ok, any feedback? :)
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| 10:09 | what you liked/disliked/could be better?
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| 10:09 | <Gadi> ogra: no clue
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| 10:10 | <MasterOne> I'm thinking of giving up on Edubuntu LTSP5 64bit server, and convert that machine to Edubuntu LTSP5 32bit. On one hand that stupid audio issue with flash9 content, on the other hand unusable java-plugin for Firefox 64bit
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| 10:11 | <BGomes> cyberorg: the project is very good, init scripts, yast integration, it is easy tu use, but suse repository dont working better on brazil and master redirect for here, this one problem
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| 10:11 | <MasterOne> is there any advantage of running Edubuntu LTSP5 64bit over Edubuntu LTSP5 32bit?
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| 10:12 | <BGomes> cyberorg: I liked use for more days, but I dont have many times for this test, and all repository of suse 10.3 here dont working fine
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| 10:12 | <cyberorg> BGomes, you can use one of the mirrors closer to you
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| 10:13 | BGomes, anything we can improve in kiwi-ltsp?
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| 10:13 | <ogra> MasterOne, no
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| 10:14 | only disadvantages
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| 10:14 | <MasterOne> ogra, I've seen
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| 10:14 | <ogra> unless you have 50 users who run gimp all day or so which actually makes real use of the 64bit
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| 10:15 | <MasterOne> I really thought I could handle the icedtea stuff and get libflashsupport to work somehow, but it's just not working, whatever I tried
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| 10:15 | <ogra> full 64 bit apps are rare, there is no advantage in running 64bit
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| 10:15 | <BGomes> BGomes: this a problem the official mirror redirect for local mirror, and local mirror dont working (uol.com.br) but about kiwi-ltsp is very better (I like really of init script of initird, auto generation of it is fine too)
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| 10:15 | cyberorg:
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| 10:15 | <ogra> well, it might be better in the next releases, but i think its not mature enough yet
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| 10:15 | <MasterOne> that server has dual xeon 3.2 EM64T, but only 3 GB of RAM, so it should make any difference at all
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| 10:15 | <ogra> (the flash stuff for amd64 i mean)
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| 10:16 | that wont make any difference, no
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| 10:16 | <cyberorg> BGomes, great :) if you find something we can improve, look me up here, it is good to get some feedback from people testing it
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| 10:16 | <MasterOne> ok, conviced ;)
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| 10:17 | downloading the 32bit install cd atm
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| 10:17 | <BGomes> cyberorg: I will do more test, at sun day and I find you here for say more about it... and ask some questions ok? :P
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| 10:18 | <cyberorg> BGomes, cool
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| 10:18 | <MasterOne> ogra, you are almost here all the time, and always helpful :)
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| 10:19 | <ogra> MasterOne, that will get less a bit ... i wa working fulltime on ltsp the last two years ...
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| 10:20 | *was
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| 10:20 | <BGomes> cyberorg: I get svn source and I am read all script, and all is good
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| 10:20 | <ogra> MasterOne, so this channel somewhat became my office :)
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| 10:20 | <cyberorg> ogra, that is the good work we are puting to use now ;)
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| 10:21 | <ogra> s/use/improve ;)
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| 10:22 | <BGomes> cyberorg: I am read kiwi-ltsp script, but I need implemente ltsp5 on my slackware box
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| 10:22 | <ogra> BGomes, then you should rather look at he ltsp tree :) and write your plugins for that
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| 10:23 | https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
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| 10:23 | <cyberorg> BGomes, yeah, kiwi-ltsp won't work on that, you may copy the chroot over from ubuntu/suse and configure nbd/dhcp/tftpboot manually, but as ogra says better create a plugin
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| 10:24 | <BGomes> ogra: is very complicated ltsp plugins script for use ltsp-build-client, I think use outher tree source, slackware have many diff
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| 10:24 | <ogra> ??
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| 10:25 | BGomes, the purpose of the plugin setup is exactly that you dont have to do that ... you have your own distro specific dir in the source where you can do everything you want and your distro need
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| 10:25 | <herson> BGomes, fala
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| 10:25 | :D
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| 10:26 | <ogra> BGomes, really, work with us from the beginning to get it properly integrated ... its just a lot extra work to make it upstream compatible later
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| 10:26 | <BGomes> ogra: I have ltsp-trunk here on my laptop, and read all script then... ltsp on slackware in few days will working
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| 10:26 | <ogra> BGomes, you can easily start with one monolithic plugin that does everything
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| 10:26 | that wouldnt be any different to use your own tree
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| 10:27 | s/use/using
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| 10:28 | <ogra> BGomes, bzr get http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/fedora/vagrant-fedora ... have a look in the server/plugins/.../Fedora dir to get an idea ... that tree implements exactly that
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| 10:28 | (one monolithic plugin)
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| 10:30 | <BGomes> ogra: ok I will see this.. but for start on basic script is more easy for create chroot, and maybe on static initrd for download... dont auto-make like suse
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| 10:31 | ogra: on ubuntu why u do make initrd ? I dont see script for that
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| 10:31 | <ogra> thats ltsp4 then
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| 10:32 | we dont, the kernel package just uses the scripts we put in place ... it creates the initramfs during package installation
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| 10:32 | <ogra> have a look in the client/initramfs dir
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| 10:33 | if you start with one basic sctip thats fine, just turn it into a plugin later :)
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| 10:33 | *script
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| 10:34 | (and make sure to keep the server and client bits distinct from teh start, so you dont run into cyberorg's problems with integration it later)
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| 10:34 | <cyberorg> BGomes, keep checking here, otherwise you will end up like us
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| 10:34 | <ogra> *integrating
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| 10:34 | <BGomes> ogra: hehehe :)
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| 10:34 | <ogra> cyberorg, well, i think you worked out something with vagrant recently, didnt you ?
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| 10:35 | <BGomes> ogra: I want see it working at slackware... next step is make ltsp5 plugins compatibli :)
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| 10:35 | <cyberorg> ogra, yeah, created a plugin, but some change is required in lsb_release thing
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| 10:36 | <ogra> cyberorg, well, i guess thats something that has to happen on our side (replacinf the space in the distro name)
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| 10:36 | *repalcing
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| 10:36 | gah
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| 10:36 | you know what i mean
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| 10:36 | <cyberorg> ogra, yeah, some tr magic
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| 10:37 | <ogra> i dont even understand how suse can do that, i dont think thats even lsb compliant
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| 10:37 | <BGomes> ogra: What is the script to generation initrd ?
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| 10:37 | <ogra> BGomes, we have initramfs-tools for that
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| 10:37 | <cyberorg> lsb_release -i -s | tr ' ' '_'
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| 10:38 | <BGomes> ogra: I dont see it
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| 10:39 | <ogra> its a distro package
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| 10:39 | its creating a chroot, copying pieces into place and then running mkintramfs on that
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| 10:40 | <ogra> i guess slackware will have mkinitramfs
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| 10:40 | as 2.6 kernels require it
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| 10:41 | <BGomes> ogra: see this at kiwi-ltsp/kiwi-netboot/suse-10.3-ltsp/config/kernel-default
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| 10:42 | ogra: Where are it at ubuntu ?
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| 10:42 | <ogra> in client/initramfs are all changes we make to the defaults
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| 10:44 | client/initramfs/conf.d/ltsp is the config changes to teh defaults client/initramfs/scripts/ltsp_nbd is the actual script thats executed during boot
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| 10:46 | <BGomes> ogra: I am use ubuntu now, if I to made initrd at source, How me do it?
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| 10:46 | <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-initramfs -u
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| 10:47 | but istead of looking at ubuntu (or debian who decided to take initramfs-tools as well at some point) find out how slackware does it and modify that
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| 10:48 | <BGomes> ogra: ok ! /usr/sbin/update-initramfs it is from debian?
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| 10:48 | <ogra> no
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| 10:48 | its from ubuntu
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| 10:48 | but debian uses it as well now
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| 10:48 | <BGomes> ogra: fine :)
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| 10:48 | <ogra> (since etch i think)
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| 10:49 | <BGomes> ogra: at slackware have mkinitrd but have some changes for use in ltsp
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| 10:49 | <ogra> but update-initramfs is only a binary ... you need the structure of initramfs tools, a matching kernel package that makes use of it etc ... its really better to use what slackware has and modify
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| 10:50 | <BGomes> ogra: it is a script "vim /usr/sbin/update-initramfs"
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| 10:50 | <ogra> right
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| 10:50 | <Gadi> !seen sbalneav
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| 10:50 | <ltspbot> Gadi: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 3 days, 1 hour, 59 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <sbalneav> I'm actually subscribed to the nbd-users list.
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| 10:50 | <ogra> Gadi, he's busy at work
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> gotcha
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| 10:51 | <ogra> since he returned from boston already i think
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> I've had 3-day-stints like that, too ;)
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| 10:51 | <ogra> seems to be a hard time there
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| 10:51 | <BGomes> ogra: I see with some frinds of slackware group and have some problens to make changes in mkinitrd script
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| 10:51 | ogra: the generic kernel of slackware dont have nfs-root
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| 10:52 | ogra: I can use it with modulo or have do it builtin in kernel?
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| 10:52 | <ogra> well, the kernel doesnt need it if you have it in the initramfs
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| 10:52 | we use modules for everything
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| 10:52 | that way i can tell te initramfs toos to only include NIC modules and nfs
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| 10:52 | *tools
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| 10:54 | <BGomes> ogra: in few day I will send for you see us scripts for ltsp5 on slackware, if you read and help us... I will many cool
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| 10:54 | <ogra> sure, feel free
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| 10:54 | <johnny> uggh.. and last now i spent time tryin to debug sabayon.. nothin is goin my way lately :)
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| 10:55 | <BGomes> ogra: tanks for all
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| 10:55 | <ogra> youre welcome :)
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| 10:55 | <johnny> yes.. tanks for all :)
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| 10:55 | <ogra> johnny, sabayon needs a profile first
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| 10:55 | <johnny> i know
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| 10:55 | it has one
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| 10:55 | <ogra> else it wont let anyone in
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| 10:55 | ah
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| 10:55 | <johnny> the current profile works
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| 10:56 | i just can't edit it
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| 10:56 | turns out users can edit the server volume
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| 10:56 | so i was going to remove the volume-applet
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| 10:56 | <ogra> please file bugs if you find them sabayon and pessulus are in my focus this release
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| 10:56 | there is a better way ;)
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| 10:56 | blacklist the soundcard modules for the server card
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| 10:57 | or if you can disable it in the servers bios
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| 10:57 | <johnny> hmm... i'd rather just make thevolume work
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| 10:57 | the server is a desktop
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| 10:57 | in use as a desktop that is
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| 10:57 | <ogra> ah, k
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| 10:57 | <johnny> is there a way to make it work with local volume only?
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| 10:58 | <cyberorg> johnny, you might want to team up with federico over at #opensuse-gnome, he is also working on making sabayon "better"
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| 10:58 | <ogra> well, then forbid them to change the settings of the volume applet it should default to the client anyway if they are logged in via ltsp (unless you played with the gstreamer settings)
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| 10:58 | <johnny> i didn't play with them
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| 10:58 | <ogra> oh, you want the opposite :)
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| 10:58 | <johnny> all i did was add a custom profile
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| 10:58 | err add a profile
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| 10:58 | and then set up a background, a firefox icon on the desktop, and that's about it
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| 10:58 | <ogra> cyberorg, which federico is that ? mena ?
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| 10:59 | <johnny> cyberorg, he should also be on gimp net
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| 10:59 | i'm tired of signing up for every bugzilla under the sun
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| 10:59 | bugzilla is definitely something that needs openid or similiar
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| 10:59 | <cyberorg> yeah, he is sabayon maintainer
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| 10:59 | <johnny> freesoftware bug reporters or somethin
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| 11:00 | i need a box so i can setup duplicate mergable setup
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| 11:00 | <ogra> johnny, well, use launchpad it does that for you :)
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| 11:00 | (linking multiple bugtrackers)
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| 11:01 | <johnny> me use launchpad ? or the projects?
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| 11:01 | <ogra> you
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| 11:01 | <johnny> i kinda like the distributed hosting aspect, just need better auth
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| 11:01 | but for now i will
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| 11:02 | <ogra> LP's purpose is to centralize *everything* even if its hosted elsewhere you should be able to do all your dev work in one place no matter which distro you use or if you are upstream
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| 11:02 | <johnny> lemme know when launchpad works with mtn
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| 11:02 | <ogra> mtn ?
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| 11:02 | <johnny> monotone version control
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| 11:02 | all my projects use it
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| 11:02 | <ogra> file a whishlist bug against the supermirror
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| 11:02 | i know it can do git and svn imports from other sites already
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| 11:03 | <johnny> if people wanted me to truly file all the bugs i could.. i'd be filing bugs all day every day for a month :)
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| 11:03 | pidgin uses monotone now tho
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| 11:04 | <ogra> ah
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| 11:04 | <johnny> as well as the openembedded project
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| 11:04 | and our web app framework
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| 11:04 | <johnny> ogra, are you in close contact with the sabayon maintainer ?
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| 11:05 | <ogra> not really
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| 11:05 | <johnny> i heard they are merging sabayon and pessulus
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| 11:05 | don't you need to be? :)
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| 11:05 | <ogra> i'm in relatively close contact with vincent untz
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| 11:05 | <johnny> i don't know that guy
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| 11:05 | <ogra> he's pessulus maintainer and gnome release manager
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| 11:05 | <johnny> aha. a magical combination
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| 11:06 | <ogra> and has his hands in sabayon a bit as well
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| 11:06 | <johnny> word
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| 11:06 | <ogra> i'll have ot comtact federico for sure at some point ...
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| 11:06 | <johnny> our tech team finally got a portion of the gross
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| 11:06 | <ogra> but currently there are other priorities first
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| 11:06 | <johnny> so now we will have a budge
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| 11:06 | budget*
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| 11:06 | <ogra> like dropping the edubuntu server CD and integrate LTSP in ubuntu proper so edubuntu can become an educational addon
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| 11:07 | <johnny> aha.. cool
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| 11:07 | that's a great idea
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| 11:12 | <tooonix> Hi everyone. I'm trying to force LTSP to use a static xorg.conf file. Is it sufficient to add "XF86CONFIG_FILE" to the lts.conf or am I missing something?
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| 11:13 | <Gadi> tooonix: where did you put the static file?
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| 11:14 | <tooonix> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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| 11:14 | <ogra> thats wrong
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| 11:15 | <Gadi> wrongplace
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| 11:15 | <tooonix> oops
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| 11:15 | <ogra> it needs to be in the chroot in /opt/ltsp/$(arch)
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| 11:15 | <Gadi> you need to put it in the chroot and reroll the image
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| 11:15 | <ogra> and your value for XF86CONFIG_FILE (or X_CONF as we use it today) needs to be relative to the chroot ...
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| 11:16 | i.e. /opt/ltsp/$(arch)/etc/my-x.conf becomes X_CONF="/etc/my-x.conf"
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| 11:17 | <tooonix> I just picked up the wrong directory.
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| 11:17 | <ogra> do you run gutsy ?
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| 11:17 | <tooonix> Yes
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| 11:17 | <ogra> then you need to run: sudo ltsp-update-image after putting the file there
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| 11:18 | <tooonix> Well, I somehow thought that this step won't be necessary in case of the lts.conf...
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| 11:19 | <ogra> not for lts.conf but for your static xorg.conf
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| 11:19 | as soon as you change anything under /opt/ltsp/$(arch)/ you need to run ltsp-update-image to get the changes into /opt/ltsp/images/$(arch).img
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| 11:20 | (which is the actual / the client uses)
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| 11:20 | <tooonix> waah, I mixed up statix xorg file with lts.conf, sorry
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| 11:20 | Everything is in the right place :)
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| 11:21 | <ogra> good
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| 11:23 | <tooonix> I found the reason why it doesn't work for me...VMware chokes on it...
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| 11:24 | <ogra> ah, yeah that might be
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| 11:24 | i usually test in virtualbox
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| 11:25 | <alekibango> ogra: why i use Debian (as BGome asked): i dont believe in the ubuntu religion
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| 11:26 | <ogra> religion ? ??
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| 11:26 | <alekibango> well, yes
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| 11:26 | * ogra isnt religious ... | |
| 11:26 | * tooonix only believes in the cylon god... | |
| 11:26 | <ogra> heh
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| 11:27 | <alekibango> ubuntu has strange mix of catholic new age masters of universe magick
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| 11:27 | <ogra> and debian is any better here ?
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| 11:27 | <cliebow> calling us strange ehh?
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| 11:27 | <alekibango> debian != industry
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| 11:27 | debian = community
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| 11:27 | <ogra> or any other distro fwiw
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| 11:28 | <alekibango> debian = social contract which makes much better sense for me
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| 11:28 | but i think ubuntu will be good, in the long run
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| 11:28 | <ogra> its nearly identical to the ubuntu code of conduct (and tehy wree both written by the same person)
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| 11:28 | <alekibango> because its the license who rules over us
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| 11:29 | * ogra doesnt get "debian != industry" "debian = community" ... | |
| 11:29 | <ogra> i fail to see how thats different to ubuntu
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| 11:29 | <alekibango> ogra: think 'music undustry'
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| 11:29 | 'military industrial complex'
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| 11:29 | <ogra> ??
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| 11:29 | what has that to do with ubuntu ?
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| 11:29 | ubuntu underlies the same structure as debian does ...
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| 11:29 | its built by a community
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| 11:30 | <tooonix> ubuntu = don't waste time on moral lectures and get things done ;)
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| 11:30 | <ogra> uses nearly the same political documents
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| 11:30 | etc etc
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> ogra: do you recall if there were continuing issues with the via driver on gutsy?
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| 11:30 | <ogra> i really fail to see much difference here
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| 11:30 | <alekibango> ogra: thats why you need to study history, you are clearly clueless :D
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> and whose via driver they would up using
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| 11:30 | <cliebow> holy!!!
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| 11:30 | <ogra> well, i'm debian user abd developer since over 10 years now ...
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| 11:30 | *and
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| 11:31 | <alekibango> tooonix: i agree. thats why i dont like ubuntu that much
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| 11:31 | <ogra> i dont think i miss much histyry here ... probably the firet two years
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| 11:31 | *first
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| 11:32 | ayll ubuntu adds on top of debian is a reliable release schedule ... and apparently users like that ... and we actually stick to outr code of conduct words unlike debian
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| 11:32 | <alekibango> ogra: ok, let me ask one think. christmass is coming. how long do you think this religious feast is observed? when it started, where and why?
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| 11:32 | <ogra> (according to the debian social contract bashing people isnt nice ... apparently not many DDs care)
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| 11:34 | * ogra doesnt understand the comparison | |
| 11:35 | <alekibango> ogra: you told me you know some history :D imho you know as much as ordinary person knows, which is nearly nothing at all :D (sadly this is the norm)
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| 11:35 | <ogra> well, i thought you refer to the topic :)
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| 11:36 | <alekibango> ok, sorry for ot discussion :D lets go back to work, both ubuntu and debian needs to have good reliable ltsp and documentation :D
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| 11:36 | <ogra> right
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| 11:36 | feel free to move something over from here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/
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| 11:37 | (with proper adjustment indeed)
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| 11:38 | alekibango, the best ressource for a complete ltsp 5 documentation is the edubuntu handbook btw ... you might want to take a look at it as well
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| 11:38 | its about 50 pages ltsp docs written just recently
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| 11:39 | * tooonix thinks that the best ressource are the ltsp scripts themselves for some topics ;) | |
| 11:39 | <alekibango> my kde is still not starting... blackbox works well but startkde -> start_kdeinit --new-startup +kcminit_startup fails on something ... strange
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| 11:40 | <ogra> tooonix, true code is always the best documentation, but you need docs for people who cant read code ;)
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| 11:41 | alekibango, do you ave a proper Xsession file there ? ldm should just execute it
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| 11:42 | <tooonix> well, at the time I wrote my first linux magazine article I heavily relied on the source code to get a basic understanding of ltsp
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| 11:42 | <ogra> alekibango, update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
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| 11:43 | <alekibango> ogra: i can read code well, even perl (lol) and interactive postsript (heh) but when it gets complex, good documentation is a reall good thing (TM)
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| 11:43 | * ogra totally agrees | |
| 11:44 | <ogra> alekibango, the thing with debian is, sicne vagrant ported ltsp5 over he was mainly alone ... so he only did what he could, its surely helpful to have some more people working on it
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| 11:44 | <alekibango> thanks i have no problem with seting up default session manager, there is a problem with kde itself, lol
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| 11:44 | <ogra> do you use kde4 already ?
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| 11:44 | <alekibango> no, still 3.5
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| 11:45 | <ogra> hmm, that shoudl work relatively stable
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| 11:45 | id does in kubuntu afaik and we mainly sync your packages
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| 11:45 | *it
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| 11:45 | <alekibango> ic...
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| 11:46 | start_kdeinit --new-startup +kcminit_startup
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| 11:46 | <ogra> whats the error ?
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| 11:46 | <alekibango> gives ... Failed to open device
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| 11:46 | <ogra> no hint on which device ?
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| 11:46 | <alekibango> X Error: bad device, invalid or unitialized input device 165
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| 11:46 | which is funny error message :D
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| 11:47 | <ogra> input device ???
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| 11:47 | * ogra is stunned | |
| 11:47 | <alekibango> i am also stunned, lol - thats from startkde (it runs the command start_kdeinit...)
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| 11:47 | and that one fails
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| 11:48 | but normally kde works well...
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| 11:51 | * ogra is no KDE user so cant say much ... | |
| 11:52 | <ogra> my last real session on KDE where i did more than helping to test kubuntu isos was at ver 1.2 :)
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| 11:52 | <alekibango> i love kde. (file dialogs are best)
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| 11:53 | <ogra> the only thing i really love about kde is ...
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| 11:53 | KDEEDU :)
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| 11:53 | <alekibango> :D
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| 11:53 | and i am long time konqueror user
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| 11:53 | <ogra> since i'm the edubuntu maintainer and edubuntu would be quite empty without the cool apps
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| 11:53 | <alekibango> for regular browsing
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| 11:53 | yes, i like them too... kalzium, kstars...
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| 11:54 | <ogra> kdeedu4 is extremely cool ...
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| 11:54 | we had some upstream guys at the ubuntu conference last month that showed me the new stuff
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| 11:54 | <alekibango> i am in fluxbox right now. (i like testing all stuff) :D
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| 11:55 | i still miss some nice fluxbox way to change keyboard layout...
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| 11:56 | <tooonix> Although I'm a happy Gnome and Fluxbox user, I'll certainly take a look at the upcoming KDE 4.
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| 11:56 | <alekibango> all sure will.. its very promising
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| 11:57 | kde4 + ati + nvidia 3d could rock the desktop space
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| 11:57 | <ogra> bah
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| 11:57 | ati + nvidia
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| 11:57 | <alekibango> i mean when we have free/opensource drivers
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| 11:57 | <ogra> take the cool stuff, buy intel ;) its free
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| 11:57 | <alekibango> i have it
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| 11:58 | <ogra> if youre not into gamong intel is really the best choice
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| 11:58 | *gaming
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| 11:58 | <alekibango> really?
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| 11:58 | <ogra> for desktop effects ? sure
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| 11:58 | <johnny> ati will be good soon..
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| 11:58 | <ogra> it works out of the box
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| 11:58 | * cyberorg thinks ogra's fingers need rest | |
| 11:58 | <alekibango> i have still issues with some opengl games on intel
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| 11:58 | <ogra> johnny, they have to prove that first
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| 11:58 | <johnny> truly
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| 11:58 | <ogra> cyberorg, well, thats not the only channel i'm typing in atm
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| 11:59 | * ogra has 5 conversations in different channels atm | |
| 11:59 | <alekibango> for example run criticallmass and tell me if the menu is ok
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| 12:00 | <ogra> not sure i can get criticalmass running on my classmatePC which is the only intel card i have around atm
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| 12:00 | <alekibango> some games have issues (missing players, wrongly displayed stuff etc)
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| 12:00 | <ogra> but if you run compiz its very likely not a driver prob but rather compiz that makes it fail
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| 12:00 | <alekibango> i dont run compiz :D
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| 12:01 | <ogra> (dont blame the wrong people for your breakage ;) )
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| 12:01 | which driver do you use ? and which chopset is that ?
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| 12:01 | <alekibango> GMA X3100 imho
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| 12:01 | <ogra> i855 doesnt work wel with the new -intel driver for example ... you still need the -810 one (which apparently was just dropped from debian)
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| 12:02 | <tooonix> hm chopset...I like that typo XD
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| 12:02 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:02 | <alekibango> driver 'intel'
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| 12:02 | <ogra> yep
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| 12:03 | <alekibango> oh, only GMA 3100
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| 12:03 | g33 chipset (imho)
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| 12:03 | <ogra> for some chipsets i810 might be better
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| 12:03 | but you need te ugly 915resolution hack for i810 :/
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| 12:03 | <alekibango> ok, i did update-pciids and its 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
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| 12:03 | <johnny> stil? i thought they fixed that :)
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| 12:04 | with the new 2.0.0 drivers
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| 12:04 | <alekibango> i just upadted my sid to new drivers and now blender segfaults on me
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| 12:04 | <tooonix> Success (partly)...the thin client in VMware finally fires up X. Although LDM ignores my alternate LTSP host again...
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| 12:04 | <ogra> johnny, its fixed in the intel driver ... but they dont develop the i810 one at all anymore
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| 12:04 | tooonix, how did you defune it ?
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| 12:04 | <johnny> but you can't use intel with i810 cards , so can't the i810 driver be removed?
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| 12:05 | <ogra> *define
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| 12:05 | <johnny> err can't you*
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| 12:05 | <alekibango> tooonix: i am using virtualbox-ose to test my clients
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| 12:05 | <ogra> alekibango, ++
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| 12:05 | alekibango, but its good to have vmware users testing it ;)
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| 12:05 | <tooonix> I manually copied the drivers of the vmware tools to the right places
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| 12:05 | <alekibango> :D
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| 12:06 | <ogra> johnny, even intel claims they aven tested the older cards with the intel driver ... ubuntu just decided to keep i810 for another release
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| 12:06 | *havent
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| 12:06 | <tooonix> Plus I manually build and linked the kernel modules and also copied them to the right places (although I don't think that they are X related)
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| 12:07 | <ogra> tooonix, why didnt you use the vmware packages with the precompiled modules we offer ?
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| 12:07 | <johnny> i was using it with 855 , works pretty well
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| 12:07 | <tooonix> do they already match with VMware WS 6.0.2?
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| 12:08 | <ogra> no idea
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| 12:08 | http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/v/
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| 12:08 | as i said, i dont use vmware
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| 12:09 | but the stuff in the partner repo is tested etc
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| 12:34 | <tooonix> Weird. My LDM_SERVER option reads as follows: LDM_SERVER="192.168.0.254 192.168.0.253" Unfortunately, LDM does not come up after a boot. But if I start LDM directly on the cleint via "LDM_SERVER=`getltspcfg LDM_SERVER` ldm vt7 :0" it works like a charm...
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| 12:36 | <ogra> with both hosts in the selector ?
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| 12:36 | <johnny> that's an odd one
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| 12:36 | is that fixed by that one patch?
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| 12:36 | <ogra> johnny, well, that and autologin are both very new and young features
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| 12:37 | <tooonix> yes
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| 12:37 | both host are in the combo box
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| 12:37 | <ogra> can you file a bug so i dont forget to look into it for hardy at least
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| 12:38 | <johnny> are they expected to be fixed for gutsy in any case?
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| 12:38 | <ogra> did you try with single quotes ? might be they are substituted somehow
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| 12:38 | johnny, only wher i find one liner to fix it ...
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| 12:38 | <tooonix> Hm, it's worth a look
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| 12:38 | <ogra> a SRU (stable release update) costs a *lot* of paperwork in ubuntu
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| 12:39 | tooonix, LDM_SERVER="'192.168.0.254 192.168.0.253'" might also be worth a try
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| 12:39 | <johnny> so back to the sound issue , is there a way to make the volume applet control the volume on the clients?
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| 12:39 | <ogra> i'm not sure how scotts code handles that
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| 12:40 | <johnny> well he said that "" shouldn't be used
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| 12:40 | <ogra> johnny, it does that by default ususally
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| 12:40 | <johnny> right?
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| 12:40 | on the ML post about autologin
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| 12:40 | <ogra> it will only not autodetect if you have changed the gstreamer sink manually at any time
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| 12:41 | <johnny> well i see the pulse env variable, and both ips referenced are the thin client
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| 12:41 | it doesn't say anything about the server IP
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| 12:41 | <ogra> ignore pulse
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| 12:41 | <tooonix> with single quotes ldm come up but doesn't provide the host selector
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| 12:41 | <ogra> you dont have anything to do with pulse
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| 12:41 | its all alsa
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| 12:42 | right click your volume applet and check the sound device it uses in its settings
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| 12:42 | there shoudld be alsa hw:0
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| 12:42 | <johnny> ok, i'll check into it when i go in
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| 12:42 | <tooonix> and the mixed quotes prevent ldm from starting
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| 12:43 | <ogra> but as i said, its supposed to default to the client alsa device (and i actually havent seen people having problems the one year we have it like that)
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| 12:43 | tooonix, and without any quotes ?
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| 12:43 | <tooonix> pgra: same as with mixed quotes
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| 12:44 | <alekibango> ogra: is vagrant coming here on irc?
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| 12:44 | <ogra> alekibango, he is usually on once a day but he said he would be travelling for two weeks soon ... not sure when that starts
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| 12:44 | he's on US westcoast time
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| 12:45 | (usually)
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| 13:12 | <sm7xab> Hi! I've been trying to get a stupid Logitech cordlesss USB mose working on my LTSP system. The only way I can get it to go is up or down. Have been looking through Google to find a solution, but to no avail. Does anyone here havea good idea?
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| 13:17 | <tooonix> Does it work on normal linux systems?
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| 13:18 | <tooonix> If yes, how is the mouse configured in X?
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| 13:26 | <sm7xab> Haven't quite tried it running it on USB. If I use PS/2, there are no problems. On this new system, I don't have PS/2 ports for it :-(
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| 14:10 | <jimcooncat> following Ubuntu's thin-client-howto, and had to make adjustments to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf. How to restart dhcpd, please?
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| 14:13 | <tooonix> sudo invoke-rc.d dhcdbd restart
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| 14:13 | <johnny> that's for networkmanager
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| 14:15 | sudo invoke-rc.d dhcpd restart perhaps?
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| 14:15 | <tooonix> s/dhcdbd/dhcp3-server/
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| 14:16 | <jimcooncat> toonix, thanks, that seemed to work
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| 14:16 | johnny, thanks also
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| 14:17 | what's the diff between invoke-rc.d and /etc/init.d/ ?
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| 14:18 | <tooonix> nothing special, invoke-rc.d is meant as a clean way for package scripts to start or stop daemons
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| 14:18 | in practice you can choose what you like
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| 14:19 | <jimcooncat> k thanks, invoke is easier tab-completion
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| 14:20 | But I was mostly concerned that /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf was going to be used, and not /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf. Guess I'll find out when I boot that bad boy
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| 14:21 | /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf, scuse me
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| 14:23 | oh, I see now that /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server has an override that favors ltsp. So I'm all set.
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| 14:43 | <tooonix> I know that there is a way to enforce the old debconf-style xorg.conf generation in Gutsy. Since Google seems to have turned its back to me I want to know if someone of you knows how the related lts.conf parameter is called...
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| 14:45 | I need it for documentary reasons
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| 14:55 | <johnny> look up a file called lts-paramters.txt
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| 14:55 | err parameters
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| 15:00 | <snazm> Howdy folks
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| 15:05 | <lns> so what's the scoop on Nautilus tagging out the CPU when users log in and log out? I'm getting this on both of my Gutsy servers at different locations...
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| 15:08 | <tooonix> johnny: I did that, but that file seems to be a little bit outdated and doesn't cover that option I am looking for.
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| 15:11 | <lns> " https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/150471 " shows a fix for GDM - would this apply for LTSP/ldm as well?
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| 15:24 | <tooonix> Use the source Luke...that feature has been removed
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| 21:30 | <TheProf> Hello. I hope everyone is well. I have a straightforward question (I think!) What directory do I point a new CentOS installation so it installs via ftp? I have tried every part of the directory tree I can think of but it always fails.
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| 21:31 | I am trying to point it to ftp.telus.net
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| 21:32 | I pointed it to ftp.telus.net/pub/centos/5.0/os/i386/ but nothing.
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| 21:32 | tried all other places. I am not sure if this is a syntax thing (slashes/no slashes) or just the wrong directory.
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| 21:33 | All the documentation just says to point it to the ftp site so I am lost.
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| 21:37 | <vagrantc> TheProf: is this installing ltsp ?
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| 21:40 | <TheProf> in this instance no, it's just a straightforward centOS
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| 21:41 | * vagrantc wonders if there is a centos channel | |
| 21:41 | <TheProf> I asked there already
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| 21:42 | I found that people here are very knowledgeable
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| 21:56 | Any thoughts?
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