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Channel log from 3 September 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:20 | <paza> hi, is there anyway that i could force user's x-session to logout after certain time of idling ?
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| 00:25 | <ari_stress2> interesting paza
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| 00:25 | but how do we define idle?
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| 00:33 | <paza> no keyboard or mouse input
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| 00:34 | just like to make sure that terminals are not in "locked" mode if they are not in use, but they log out and bring new login screen
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| 00:36 | ari_stress2: if user is actually left irc or setiathome running, it's not an issue there's a screen application if you need to do that
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| 00:39 | <sbalneav> paza: What happens if you've got an OpenOffice.org document open with 3 hours of unsaved work in it, and you walk away to answer the phone?
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| 00:40 | <paza> not my problem if we put it like 2 hours of nothing
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| 00:41 | <paza> basicly I just want to prevent sessions running over night that we could safely turn off the terminals
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| 00:41 | <sbalneav> Why not just kill sessions after hours with killall before shutting down the terminals?
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| 00:42 | <paza> so there's no support on the server side but some custom script ?
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| 00:43 | <sbalneav> No, by default, linux, like unix, doesn't care how long you stay logged in.
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| 00:43 | So if you'd like to implement an administrative decision like that, you'd need to write something up.
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| 00:46 | <paza> I suppose it would be useful if you have several "shared" terminals like in school, that the terminals don't get locked up if users don't remember to log out and it becomes locked because of screensaver
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| 00:47 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: about autodetection, try to see if purging xserver-xgl solves it. here, it solved a bunch.
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| 00:47 | <sbalneav> Q-FUNK: ok, I'll try that tomorrow
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| 00:49 | <sbalneav> paza: there's a command, xprintidle
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| 00:50 | one assumes you could start a background job on login, checking xprintidle periodically
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| 00:50 | once the number of idle ms's has passed you could issue a killall.
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| 00:51 | I think you'd have some angry users on your hands, but it wouldn't take that much to implement.
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| 00:51 | :)
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| 00:51 | <paza> sbalneav: well, the policy is "no unattended terminals, PLEASE"
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| 00:52 | <sbalneav> Well, your policy at your site, is, of course, yours to implement.
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| 00:52 | <paza> sbalneav: it seems to be impossible for people to understand polite request not to do that, so it will be forced
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| 00:53 | it's stupid, rude and unpolite, but it seems that sometimes users don't understand any other means
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| 00:53 | <sbalneav> Dude, no need to explain to me, it doesn't affect me :)
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| 00:53 | xprintidle is what you could use to implement that.
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| 00:54 | <paza> so it seems
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| 00:54 | :D let the games begin !
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| 02:37 | <ari_stress> i'm back
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| 02:53 | <LeD> Hi everybody.
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| 02:53 | Has anybody run into problem where switching between different windows in client is slow.
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| 02:53 | ?
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| 02:54 | The applications itselfs run smoothly.
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| 02:56 | <ari_stress> i havent encountered it
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| 02:56 | has it just happened recently? or from the beginning?
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| 02:58 | <LeD> From the begin.
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| 02:58 | <ari_stress> mm
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| 02:59 | <LeD> But before server crash which make us reinstall everything this did happend.
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| 03:01 | <ari_stress> does it happen on all the clients or few of them?
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| 03:01 | <LeD> All of them.
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| 03:02 | <ari_stress> is there any suspicious reading in 'top' ?
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| 03:03 | <LeD> Top does not show significant processing.
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| 03:04 | <ari_stress> or maybe it's the client that is not powerful enough?
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| 03:04 | specifically the graphic adapter
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| 03:04 | <LeD> But they did work fine before server crash...
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| 03:06 | <ari_stress> oh
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| 03:07 | <LeD> There might have been some options which I didn't but in the reinstalledserver, because I didn't make the first install.
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| 03:07 | <ari_stress> i see
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| 03:07 | maybe you can contact the first person who installed it
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| 03:09 | <LeD> yep
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| 03:35 | <ari_stress> wb ogra
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| 05:03 | <cyberorg> hi guys, nbd-client stays stuck at "Negotiation:" where do i look to get it working?
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| 05:04 | nbd-client serverip port /dev/nbd0 works from normal OS, but stays stuck trying to do the same in initrd
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| 05:06 | ogra, ? ^^
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| 06:10 | <ogra> cyberorg, thats ubuntu gutsy ?
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| 06:10 | <cyberorg> ogra, nope, suse :)
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| 06:11 | <ogra> right ... which nbd-server version do you use tere ?
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| 06:11 | <cyberorg> 2.9.5
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| 06:12 | i can use it from another machine, but initrd just hangs at "Negoraition:"
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| 06:13 | <ogra> hmm, the handling of inetd connections was fixed in 2.9.4, so that should be fine
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| 06:13 | <cyberorg> both initrd and the server have same version
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| 06:13 | <ogra> any traces in your logs ?
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| 06:13 | <cyberorg> ogra, it is not started via inetd, it standalone mode
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| 06:13 | <ogra> aha
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| 06:13 | well
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| 06:13 | try using the nbdrootd script from inetd then :)
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| 06:14 | its in the gutsy source in the server dir
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| 06:14 | <cyberorg> from xinetd?
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| 06:15 | <ogra> we dont use xinted, its not freely licensed
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| 06:15 | but yes, from inetd
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| 06:15 | have a look at server/ltsp-update-image ... specifically at the update-inetd stanza
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| 06:15 | <cyberorg> hmm, we use xinetd, not sure how to adapt it for that
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| 06:16 | <ogra> you need a config entry that starts nbdrootd for connections on port 2000
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| 06:16 | <cyberorg> ok
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| 06:16 | /bin/nbd-server 0 $1 -r -C /dev/null - what is $1 here?
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| 06:20 | <ogra> see -update-image
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| 06:20 | <cyberorg> ok
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| 06:26 | !paste
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| 06:26 | <ltspbot> cyberorg: Error: "paste" is not a valid command.
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| 06:26 | <cyberorg> @paste
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| 06:27 | <makghosh> !ltspinfo
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| 06:27 | <ltspbot> makghosh: Error: "ltspinfo" is not a valid command.
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| 06:33 | <cyberorg> ogra, /usr/bin/nbd-server 2000 /srv/kiwi-ltsp -r seems to have worked, rebuilding initrd and testing
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| 06:36 | ogra, all the clients use the same nbd export?
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| 06:38 | <ogra> you can use more than one by defining nbdroot or nbdport on the kernl commandline (given you use our initramfs scripts)
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| 06:39 | i.e. you can add nbdroot="<serverip>:<port>" to your pxelinux.cfg/default file for different arches or specifically adjusted images
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| 06:40 | (ltsp-update-image will care for that in later iterations, currently that part needs to be done manually)
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| 06:40 | <cyberorg> ok
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| 06:41 | is there any limit of simultaneous connections to nbd?
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| 06:41 | <ogra> no
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| 06:41 | well
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| 06:41 | your servers ram i guess :)
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| 06:41 | <cyberorg> yeah, that is as usual :)
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| 06:41 | <ogra> i think there is a limit of nbd devices on te client side
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| 06:42 | but that could be adjusted if you would need more than 15 :P
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| 06:42 | (for 14 swap connections and one root or whatever :) )
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| 06:44 | <cyberorg> we anyway don't need more than 15 partitions ever, new libata thing
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| 06:46 | <ogra> libata != nbd :)
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| 06:46 | nbd doesnt care for ata restrictions
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| 06:47 | <makghosh> do we have ltsp 5 for fedora 7 specifically?...let apart that ubuntu i386 package
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| 06:48 | <cyberorg> yeah, but it creates a virtual limit in out head that we shouldnt go beyond that
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| 06:49 | <ogra> makghosh, nope, fedora hasnt inversted much work yet ... they have started onece but dropped it again and i dont know if they even made public what they had
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| 06:49 | (that was back in 2005)
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| 06:50 | makghosh, we'd appreciyte *any* contribution to the bzr tree to get fedors support in though ...
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| 06:50 | *fedora
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| 06:51 | <monteslu> makghosh, take a look at the k12osn mailing list. Vagrantc has gotten started on fedora
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| 06:51 | <ogra> monteslu, thats unlikely
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| 06:51 | <makghosh> ogra: hmmm.....i would like to put ltsp 5 in fedora repository......
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| 06:51 | <monteslu> ogra, did you see his post?
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| 06:51 | <ogra> monteslu, vagrantc wouldnt touch rpm'S (he's the debian maintainer=
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| 06:51 | <monteslu> I'll dig it up, on e sec
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| 06:51 | <makghosh> monteslu: yep....i'm checking it out
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| 06:51 | <ogra> monteslu, yes he pointed the list to his branch (which is wrong as well, he should have pointed them to the upstream branch instead)
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| 06:52 | <monteslu> ogra, and that's more than anyone else has done with fedora
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| 06:53 | <ogra> monteslu, well, i talked to warren togami about it :)
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| 06:53 | <ogra> monteslu, and fedora knows where our code is
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| 06:53 | be sure :)
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| 06:53 | its just that no *fedora dev* has done anything yet
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| 06:53 | <monteslu> yeah, but redhat hasn't seen the light yet
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| 06:54 | <makghosh> ogra: i need a source package for ltspinfo.....i checked out the ltsp-ltspinfod.tar.gz but it had only one binary file
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| 06:54 | <monteslu> the edubuntu stuff is getting better and better, redhat would be crazy to just let ubuntu have all the fun
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| 06:54 | <ogra> makghosh, wait fo sbalneav or jammcq to show up, no idea whare that old stuff is
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| 06:54 | monteslu, well, canonical invests a *lot* to get that going ...
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| 06:55 | <monteslu> as should redhat
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| 06:55 | <ogra> (starting off with pying me fultime to take care up to shipping all the devs to conferences for free etc)
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| 06:55 | indeed
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| 06:55 | <monteslu> very cool
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| 06:56 | <ogra> but redhat doesnt yet ...
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| 06:56 | <monteslu> they talked a good game 3 or so years about thin clients
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| 06:56 | <ogra> warren is aware of the need and tried to get fedora devs intested ... but that didnt work out either yet
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| 06:56 | so all we can do is wait until someone steps up
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| 06:56 | <monteslu> i should find that old press releasse
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| 06:57 | <ogra> like opensuse does currently
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| 06:57 | there is at least some community pressure thanks due to people like cyberorg
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| 06:57 | so it wont be ignored ...
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| 06:58 | i guess having some initiative even from non devs for fedora would draw some attention
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| 06:58 | <makghosh> ogra: actually my local lug, dgplug is introducing LTSP 4.2 in one of its school projects......i was actually trying to use ltsp 5 if possible
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| 06:58 | <monteslu> I've been trying to think of a way to post it on the dev list, but I think referencing the old press release might do it :)
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| 06:58 | <makghosh> i Fedora 7 ofcourse
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| 06:58 | s/in
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| 06:59 | <monteslu> makghosh, use edubuntu
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| 06:59 | <ogra> makghosh, so get started on an implementation, make some devs aware of teh need :)
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| 06:59 | yeah, or use edubuntu
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| 06:59 | <monteslu> I've been doing k12ltsp for years, but ltsp5 is the way to go
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| 06:59 | <makghosh> monteslu: yeah....edubuntu is cool
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| 07:00 | <monteslu> some frustrations at first, but it was just with things like sudo and gksudo and synaptic... all good now
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| 07:00 | <ogra> yeah, its a bit strange in the beginning :)
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| 07:01 | <makghosh> ogra: i actuallly have been using fedora for quite some time...so i introduced ltsp with fedora....also it has got lots of scope for development
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| 07:01 | :)
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| 07:02 | <monteslu> makghosh, but you'll have trouble improving ltsp4.2, all the development is on ltsp5
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| 07:02 | notably local devices
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| 07:02 | <cyberorg> ogra, not really a pressure, suse devs promptly oblige when we put in little requests about what we want
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| 07:03 | <cyberorg> the thing is we being non-developer types don't exactly know what we need
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| 07:03 | for example, last week i requested nbd root, and this week we have it in kiwi.
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| 07:03 | <ogra> but you make constant noise
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| 07:03 | thats the most important thing here
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| 07:04 | <makghosh> monteslu: yeah....actually we had these localdev problems......but now they work fine...tested flash drives, cdrom, fdisks
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| 07:04 | <cyberorg> we just need all the init scripts and udev/hal thing working now
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| 07:05 | <ogra> hal isnt used anywhere yet
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| 07:05 | expect that for next release :)
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| 07:05 | <cyberorg> there is not much in terms of code that we have put in, but here is what i work on http://cyberorg.kicks-ass.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=.git;a=summary
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| 07:05 | * ogra wants to port the whole client to hal next round | |
| 07:05 | <cyberorg> just scripts to put everything together
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| 07:05 | <makghosh> monteslu: lately i was actually working for a shutdown module in fl_teachertool: [http://arindamghosh.wordpress.com/2007/08/29/shutdown-module-in-fl_teachertool/]
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| 07:06 | <monteslu> makghosh, that using ltspinfod ?
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| 07:06 | <makghosh> monteslu: yep.....exactly
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| 07:07 | <monteslu> there's some talk on the edubuntu list of putting the shutdown stuff back in ltsp5
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| 07:07 | <cyberorg> makghosh, are you in india?
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| 07:07 | <ogra> monteslu, ldm2 will offer such functionallity soon
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| 07:08 | <makghosh> cyberorg: yeah...
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| 07:08 | <cyberorg> makghosh, i am in Baroda :)
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| 07:08 | <monteslu> here's the January 15th, 2005 redhat press release : http://www.cbronline.com/article_news.asp?guid=5F760468-7288-48C3-AB6B-592B99A41CBA
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| 07:08 | "stateless linux"
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| 07:08 | guess it was smoke an mirrors
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| 07:08 | <ogra> monteslu, the ldminfod stuff isnt really convincing, i dont like to open additional ports on the client ... especially for such critical stuff like shutdown etc ... we'll rather make ldm monitor a user owned dir on the server
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| 07:09 | <makghosh> cyberorg: wow...that's cool....i'm from durgapur,WB :)
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| 07:09 | <monteslu> ogra, why not just execute stuff through ssh?
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| 07:09 | <cyberorg> makghosh, might as well be in another country, completely on opposite end :)
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| 07:09 | <monteslu> I would like to see more than jus shutdown
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| 07:09 | <ogra> monteslu, well, thats another option, but needs fiddly key setup
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| 07:10 | <monteslu> how about reading stuff in /dev and /proc ?
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| 07:10 | <monteslu> would help with printer setup too
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| 07:10 | <ogra> parts of that will be possible through the hal implementation
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| 07:10 | <monteslu> client meminfo would also be nice
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| 07:11 | <ogra> we'll run a hal client in future setups that will export all device related stuff we can into the users session and make it possible to interact more with the HW
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| 07:11 | <monteslu> ogra, then have that as addons to thin client manager ?
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| 07:11 | <ogra> so such stuff will be taken care of, its just a matter of manpower and time
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| 07:11 | no
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| 07:11 | thin-client-manager is a session control tool
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| 07:12 | <makghosh> cyberorg: he he :) i am active member of ilug-cal and ofcourse my local lug, dgplug
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| 07:12 | <ogra> ltsp-manager might get that part
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| 07:12 | <monteslu> haven't seen ltsp-manager
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| 07:12 | <ogra> its not done yet
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| 07:12 | <cyberorg> makghosh, http://groups.google.com/group/VGLUG this is the group i run, i have posted about ltsp there
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| 07:13 | <ogra> monteslu, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ that was a first mockup (quite old already)
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| 07:13 | the plan is to have all hardware and settings control for the cliets in there ...
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| 07:13 | while session control should stay in TCM
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| 07:14 | <makghosh> cyberorg: seeing it
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| 07:14 | <monteslu> ogra, how about a tab to write lts.conf entries?
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| 07:14 | <ogra> monteslu, thats exactly what ltsp-manager does :)
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| 07:14 | in a gui way
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| 07:15 | <monteslu> would rock
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| 07:15 | <ogra> there weill be a tree with all currently running clients on the left
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| 07:15 | so you can do individual settings with it as well ...
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| 07:15 | <makghosh> monteslu: cyberorg: actually we can always include shutdown, reboot as well as terminal info....i mean i can extend my GUI for this
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| 07:17 | <monteslu> makghosh, I have my own version of the old tkinter teachertool that did that as well.
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| 07:17 | <monteslu> it also read hardware info in a little popup
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| 07:17 | but not as usefull now that I've got only two types of thinclients
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| 07:18 | used to have a ton of old p90s and what not
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| 07:19 | <makghosh> monteslu: that's cool...but last night i talked with robert, developer of fl_teachertool....he said that using ltspinfo can be accesed by non-root users...which actually creates problem....non-root users can shutdown other terminals at their will which should not be allowed
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| 07:20 | <monteslu> makghosh, it was definetly a problem. Good thing non of the kids ever noticed it was running :)
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| 07:21 | <makghosh> monteslu: he he :) if in a school environment if kids get to know about ltspinfo....what a tandem it will create ;)
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| 07:22 | monteslu: but in edubuntu as u pointed out ltspinfo works only from root user....
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| 07:23 | <monteslu> i'm not sure if the ltspinfo daemon is even part of it on edubuntu
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| 07:23 | i think it was dropped completely and the functionality being implemented in a different form
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| 07:24 | <cyberorg> ogra, i am trying to use a plain dir via nbdroot, it does not work, do we have to use squashfs image?
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| 07:24 | <ogra> you have to use an image in any case for nbd
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| 07:24 | doesnt need to be squashfs though
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| 07:25 | but plain dirs wont work
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| 07:25 | <ogra> (you could use an iso or ext2fs image as well ...)
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| 07:25 | <makghosh> monteslu: no if i install ltsp in it actually only then we can have ltspinfo....i think the change is that ltspinfo can be accessed by root user only
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| 07:25 | <cyberorg> ogra, hmm, i was hoping to get plaindir working :(
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| 07:25 | <makghosh> monteslu: i mean in edubuntu
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| 07:25 | <ogra> cyberorg, then you need to use nfs
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| 07:25 | <cyberorg> is that nbd limitation?
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| 07:26 | <ogra> yes
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| 07:26 | nbd is exporting images or swapfiles as block devices
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| 07:26 | nfs is exporting dirs as filesystems
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| 07:26 | <burnerx> hi
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| 07:27 | <ogra> (well, thats not quite right, but you get what i mean, nbd operates on a way lower level)
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| 07:27 | <burnerx> what should i beware of ... for making my first ltsp server ?
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| 07:27 | <monteslu> makghosh, you could be right. I jus didn't see any ltspinfo stuff in edubuntu, so figured it was dropped all together
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| 07:27 | <ogra> burnerx, depends on the distro you use
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| 07:28 | <burnerx> well, i downloaded Edubuntu today
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| 07:28 | <ogra> make sure to have a server with two network cards then ... it will set up everything automatically for you
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| 07:28 | <burnerx> which is better K12LTSP or Edubuntu?
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| 07:29 | i tried to install Edubuntu in vmware... will that cause me a problem?
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| 07:29 | <makghosh> monteslu: hmmm...
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| 07:29 | <Guaraldo> morning
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| 07:29 | <ogra> burnerx, well, i heard there are probs with networking in vmware
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| 07:30 | so better use a real server if you can
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| 07:30 | <burnerx> oh okay
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| 07:30 | i guess i will reformat tomorrow at work
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| 07:30 | also... the dhcp part
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| 07:30 | <monteslu> vmware is great for testing the stuff, but you need horsepower on the server
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| 07:30 | <burnerx> is there something i should becareful of ?
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| 07:31 | <ogra> and if you are *really lazy* and have money, just buy it preinstalled ;) http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=62
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| 07:31 | <monteslu> burnerx, k12ltsp is probably more polished, but all the cool new stuff is in edubuntu. I've switched to edubuntu this year after several on k12ltsp
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| 07:32 | <burnerx> oh okay
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| 07:32 | thanks ogra, but i rather do this myself
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| 07:33 | <makghosh> cyberorg: i am checking ltsp things in the VGLUG group....its very big so i'm taking time :)
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| 07:33 | <ogra> burnerx, indeed :)
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| 07:33 | * ogra just loves to point out that you *can* get it preinstalled :) | |
| 07:34 | <burnerx> i been reading about ltsp for awhile, i really want to get a simple setup going
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| 07:34 | a server with couple thin clients going
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| 07:35 | <cyberorg> makghosh, big? :)
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| 07:35 | <ogra> burnerx, then edubuntu is the best to try
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| 07:36 | <burnerx> thanks ogra
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| 07:36 | i'm coming back if i got problems
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| 07:36 | !!!
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| 07:36 | <ltspbot> burnerx: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
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| 07:37 | <burnerx> ops!
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| 07:37 | btw, is there any tutorials out there ?
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| 07:38 | <makghosh> cyberorg: ..actually scanning thru KWIKI-LTSP and other ltsp messages
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| 07:39 | <cyberorg> ah, ok
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| 07:40 | <ogra> burnerx, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ links some docs
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| 07:41 | <burnerx> thanks a bunch
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| 08:08 | <cyberorg> ogra, got the nbdroot working, clients now boots of squashfs image :)
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| 08:09 | nice ldm2 login screen and can work off on the server :)
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| 08:11 | <ogra> :)
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| 08:11 | cool
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| 08:25 | <schreik> Hi
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| 08:25 | Need help
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| 08:26 | I want to connect to ltsp from Terminal that have Ethernet card that does not support EtherBoot but has HDD
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| 08:26 | Is it possible to install kernel with ltsp client to this machine and connect to server?
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| 08:26 | Can you advice something on that?
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| 08:27 | <Q-FUNK> the card probably supports etherboot, but the bios doesn't provide support. in that case, you need a boot floppy
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| 08:27 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:27 | <Q-FUNK> hiya Scott!
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| 08:27 | <sbalneav> hey hey
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| 08:28 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:28 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:28 | <sbalneav> !seen ogra
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| 08:28 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 1 second ago: <ogra> !s
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| 08:28 | <ogra> :P
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| 08:28 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 08:28 | hey dude!
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| 08:28 | <ogra> beating you :)
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| 08:28 | he<y hey
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| 08:28 | <sbalneav> I guess it's not labour day there in Germany!
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| 08:28 | * ogra pushes his recent changes | |
| 08:28 | <ogra> nope :)
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| 08:28 | i'm fighting with debconf (still)
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| 08:28 | <sbalneav> I've done a ton of minor fixes, sync with my tree
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| 08:29 | <Q-FUNK> they call it the teutonic slavery day
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| 08:29 | <ogra> done already :)
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| 08:29 | * Q-FUNK ducks | |
| 08:29 | <sbalneav> cool.
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| 08:29 | everything I did look ok to you?
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| 08:29 | <ogra> but not packaged/uploaded yet
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| 08:29 | yes
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| 08:29 | <schreik> I have 3COM 920-ST03 (40-0664-003) network card in Celeron 800 computer. Bios does not support network boot. Network card seems does not support that too.
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| 08:29 | <ogra> i found some uglyness in ltsp-update-image just now
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| 08:29 | <schreik> there is no such model in rom-a-matic.net
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| 08:30 | <ogra> we'll need better handling for the PXE stuff ... and its surely no "Error:" if the port exists in inetd.conf :)
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| 08:30 | i made that an "Info:"
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| 08:30 | <Q-FUNK> schreik: check which driver gets loaded when you boot the card using a normal Linux distro. it should tell you which rom-o-matic image to use
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| 08:30 | <sbalneav> and, don't bother with ltspfs-nodm anymore. I merged into ltspfs-upstream
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| 08:30 | <ogra> i can jump on that after the udeb works ...
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| 08:30 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 08:31 | <ogra> hope you didnt bump the upstream version then
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| 08:31 | we'd need an UVF exception if you did
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| 08:31 | <Nikopoika> schreik: you can propably use some other nic's boot rom, i'm using a single bootrom-floppy with 2 different 3com cards and it works fin
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| 08:31 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: I noticed this morning that most X problems on my laptop disappeared after I purged xserver-xgl. maybe it would help for -amd too?
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| 08:31 | <ogra> lol
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| 08:32 | Q-FUNK, you used xgl ?
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| 08:32 | * ogra wouldnt even hope for remote stability with that | |
| 08:32 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: it used to be pulled by -all, afaik
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| 08:32 | <ogra> never
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| 08:32 | its universe
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| 08:32 | <sbalneav> umm, well, the packaging's separate from the code, so I just took -nodm, which really was the upstream, and put it in the proper place.
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| 08:32 | <ogra> ok
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| 08:33 | i'll see how t get it in without paperwork :)
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| 08:33 | but forst the udeb *sigh*
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| 08:33 | *first
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| 08:33 | d-i is a mean beast
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| 08:33 | <Q-FUNK> purging xgl solved the gtk2 problem i had been experiencing since friday, but not the broken dpms and the impossibility to switch vcons
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| 08:34 | <sbalneav> sbalneav@edubuntu:~$ sudo -i
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| 08:34 | [sudo] password for sbalneav:
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| 08:34 | root@edubuntu:~# chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/
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| 08:34 | root@edubuntu:/# dpkg -l | grep xgl
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| 08:34 | nada, not there.
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| 08:34 | <ogra> sbalneav, there is a CC meeting going on bwt, pkern (gobby author) is going fr membership ... i'f he's up (not sure they get to him) it might make sense to help cheering ;)
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| 08:35 | <schreik> So, is it possible to connect ltsp-server via installing boot image on HDD without etherboot?
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| 08:35 | <sbalneav> is it going on now?
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| 08:35 | <ogra> started 30min ago
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| 08:35 | <sbalneav> ubuntu-meeting?
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| 08:35 | <ogra> but i'm not sure they'll do membership
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| 08:35 | yep
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| 08:36 | <sbalneav> in
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| 09:03 | <sbalneav> ogra: did you guys get to skip tribe 6?
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| 09:03 | <ogra> sbalneav, yup :D
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| 09:03 | so i have at least chances to get the installer stuff ready
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| 09:03 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 09:04 | I'm looking forward to fix-it-friday.
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| 09:04 | <ogra> as you might have seen i call ltsp-update-image separately in d-i now ... with its own progress bar etc
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| 09:04 | oh, right, i havent merged that part yet, heh
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| 09:04 | sorry
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| 09:05 | <sbalneav> nope, I've merged what you've done so far...
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| 09:05 | <ogra> right
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| 09:05 | <sbalneav> waiting for more ogra-y goodness.
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| 09:05 | <ogra> i didnt merge any code of that to the tree yet :)
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| 09:05 | only the base in ltsp-build-client to suppress image building
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| 09:07 | i stepped back from direct piping to the progress and just read a logfile i write to now ... seems to work ...
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| 09:07 | <ogra> s/progress/progress bar/
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| 09:08 | <sbalneav> I thought you'd end up with something like that.
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| 09:08 | <ogra> well, its not proper, but there is no better solution apart from redoing ltsp-build-client completely
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> Hey, any old port in a storm, eh?
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| 09:13 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:13 | indeed
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| 09:23 | <ogra> hrm ...
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| 09:36 | <sbalneav> So, think we can bribe pkern with our cheers if he adds a vi mode to gobby?
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| 09:36 | <ogra> sure
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| 09:36 | especially if you send a patch with it :P
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| 09:37 | <sbalneav> :P Sure, I'll stop working on edubuntu and get right on that :)
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| 09:38 | <ogra> i wonder if i should install sobby as a default dep of edubuntu-server
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| 09:38 | (sobby is the standalone server )
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| 09:38 | <sbalneav> Would help to increase the spread of gobby
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| 09:39 | Gobby's included in the addon cd, yes?
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| 09:39 | <ogra> well, we'll have gobb yinstalled by edubuntu-desktop anyway
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| 09:39 | no, in the default install
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| 09:39 | but i didnt plan for the server yet (in ltsp setups you will connect to localhost anyway)
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| 09:40 | (doesnt need a server)
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| 10:24 | <GiantPickle> Howdy folks. Long time no type (for me that is)... I'm wondering if I can long into a session on my ltsp server from my laptop that is not set up as a thin client... ie... I run my laptop as a standalone system and I'd like to connect to a session on my ltsp server, is this possible and if so, what terms to I search for/read up on?
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| 10:25 | <sbalneav> GiantPickle: What version of ltsp?
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| 10:25 | <GiantPickle> methinks 4.2, but I'll have to check
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| 10:26 | yeah... 4.2
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| 10:26 | <sbalneav> just start up another X session on a free tty, with -query <ipofltspserver>
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| 10:26 | <GiantPickle> ah... very fun... lemmie give that a try...
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| 10:30 | sbalneav: thanks... I'm doing something wrong, but at least I know what to look for.
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| 10:32 | <sbalneav> ogra:I have to go upstairs and start in on breakfast, add my cheers for pkern if they get to him
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| 10:32 | I'll check back in a bit
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| 10:33 | <ogra> oki
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| 10:33 | might still take a while
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| 11:21 | * tux_440volt will be back soon: Gone away for now. | |
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| 11:35 | <sbalneav> just came back and saw pkern was up, and jumped in.
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| 11:35 | <ogra> perfect :)
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| 11:35 | if he goes for MOTU/main he can care for gobby himself :)
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| 11:36 | <sbalneav> i think you and I are really the only ones who consistently use gobby at the uds's
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| 11:36 | <ogra> nah
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| 11:36 | others do as well and i know makr does
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| 11:36 | *mark
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| 11:36 | <sbalneav> ah, ok
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| 11:37 | last time, 50% of all the documents on the gobby server were ours :)
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| 11:37 | <ogra> meh, my hack for the udeb doesnt wor with ltsp-build-client :(((((((((
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| 11:37 | <sbalneav> oh, suck.
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| 11:37 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:37 | debconf doesnt like me
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| 11:37 | its all so evil :/
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| 11:45 | oh, meh ...
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| 11:45 | i was missing a plugin
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| 11:45 | * ogra links the debconf-frontend plugin | |
| 11:46 | <ogra> lets see if that fixes it
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| 11:49 | <sn9_> ogra: "* fix sync range handling in x config script" <-- no, it's broken!
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| 11:49 | <ogra> sn9_, ?
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| 11:50 | <sn9_> you put a = where a tab should be
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| 11:50 | <sbalneav> sn9_: line #?
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| 11:50 | <sn9_> hang on, i don't have line numbers turned on in less
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| 11:50 | <ogra> hrm
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| 11:50 | i had fixed that already
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| 11:51 | <sbalneav> or paste a bit
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| 11:51 | <ogra> but you are right, must have come in with a merge i didnt notice :/
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| 11:51 | * ogra curses loudly ... debconf still fails with fd errors | |
| 11:52 | <ogra> i guess there is no way around a rewrite of ltsp-build-client :(
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| 11:52 | <sbalneav> ogra: Do we need this for gutsy, or can we leave it for Hairy?
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| 11:53 | <sn9_> the vsync is needed for gutsy
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| 11:54 | <ogra> i need it to fix the d-i bug i have to have done on thursday, yes
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| 11:54 | <sbalneav> sn9_: still haven't seen a line numner or line paste
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| 11:54 | <sn9_> ok, paste it is:
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| 11:54 | <ogra> sbalneav, its a bug i already had fixed ...
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| 11:54 | <sn9_> sed -i -e '/Section "Monitor"/,3aVertRefresh='$X_VERTREFRESH'\nHorizSync\t'$X_HORZSYNC'' $INPUT_FILE
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| 11:54 | <ogra> there is a = in a line from Gadis patch that shouldnt be there
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| 11:57 | <sbalneav> changed in mine
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| 12:00 | * ogra gives up on debconf for today ... seems i got no luck | |
| 12:00 | <ogra> 11h poking in the dark ... no outcome ... what a day ...
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| 12:00 | * ogra goes for beer | |
| 12:00 | <sbalneav> I've pushed that fix
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| 12:01 | <ogra> thanks
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| 12:01 | next upload still waits for the udeb to be fixed
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| 12:01 | <sn9_> the vsync? thanx
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| 12:03 | sbalneav: you did put a \t, right? otherwise it'll end up being "VertRefresh75-85"
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| 12:04 | <sbalneav> check my branch and see :)
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| 12:04 | <sn9_> url?
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| 12:04 | <ogra> ergh
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| 12:04 | <sbalneav> https://code.launchpad.net/ltsp/
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| 12:04 | <sn9_> tnx
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| 12:04 | <sbalneav> scotts-gutsy is mine
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| 12:06 | <ogra> merged and pushed
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| 12:06 | <sn9_> good, thanx
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| 12:07 | wrt the \t
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| 13:18 | <sn9_> is there some reason why X_DEVICE_OPTION_xx was dropped in ltsp5?
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| 13:33 | and has anybody else noticed X respawning for no apparent reason every two and a half minutes or so?
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| 13:34 | <pablo-uy-mvd> hi! im getting gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error -
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| 13:34 | Restarting
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| 13:34 | how could i fix this? what is the cause?
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| 13:38 | <petre> in the dhcpd.conf, should the default gateway (option router) be the ltsp server or the real network gateway out to the internet?
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| 13:39 | ltsp 4.2, btw
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| 13:39 | <sn9_> if you want access to the real gateway, then that's what it should be
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| 13:39 | but there has to be a route to it already
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| 13:40 | <petre> my problem is I've got a single-nic server; clients are okay, but fat clients can't connect to internet
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| 13:40 | they're being routed throught the ltsp server, and iptables is causing trouble I think
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| 13:40 | <sn9_> is the real gateway on the lan?
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| 13:41 | <petre> yes
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| 13:41 | so setting it to the real gateway seems logical
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| 13:41 | this server's been up for a year or two though
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| 13:42 | but I think I had iptables off
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| 13:42 | now I've turned it back on (after a change for samba purposes)
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| 13:43 | but the fat clients now can't get to the internet
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| 13:43 | I could turn iptables back off but I'd rather not
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| 13:43 | so, I'm thinking that if I change the default gw setting in dhcpd.conf, those clients will not try to go through the ltsp server
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| 13:44 | <sn9_> if iptables is running on the single-nic server, clients' ability to connect to the gateway should not be affected
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| 13:44 | <petre> clients=thin clients?
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| 13:44 | <sn9_> if the option points to the gateway, that is
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| 13:44 | yes
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| 13:44 | fat clients, too
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| 13:45 | <petre> ok, I'll try changing it
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| 13:45 | tx
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| 14:31 | <sbalneav> sn9_: The X respawning, is that while you're logged in?
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| 14:32 | <sn9_> while ctrl-alt-F2'ing to a shell
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| 14:33 | <sbalneav> So, you're logged in, control alt f2 to a shell, and 2.5 minutes later, you're logged out on the graphical session?
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| 14:35 | <sn9_> i haven't ruled much out yet; still trying various things to rule stuff out
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| 14:36 | <sbalneav> Well, to answer your question, no, I haven't observered that behaviour
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| 15:52 | <bartolomeo80> hello
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| 15:53 | please help me with a problem setting up cups
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| 15:58 | i have configure a printer in a thin client but i can only print once
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| 16:00 | <bartolomeo80> i already setup lts.conf adding the mac address of the thin client having the printer
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| 16:01 | then i setup cups adding a new printer and i print a test page
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| 16:02 | but after that, no more print jobs are executed
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| 16:08 | hello
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| 16:08 | please help me
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| 16:10 | in the error_log each action appears as unauthorized
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| 16:10 | fernando do you speak spanish, help me please
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| 16:51 | <gonzaloaf_work> hi, which are the closed or pay solutions that do the same job that ltsp?
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| 17:11 | <sbalneav> gonzaloaf_work: In the linux or windows world?
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| 17:16 | <sbalneav> gonzaloaf_work: ping
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| 17:17 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, in both
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| 17:17 | <sbalneav> Windows has citrix and Windows terminal server
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| 17:18 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, I'm just doing a document, something like a benchmark for university, but I'm really glad with ltsp 4.2
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| 17:18 | <sbalneav> Linux, only one I know of is http://www.2x.com/
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| 17:18 | but they actually use a lot of our stuff
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| 17:19 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, ok thanks I will try all of them to compare.. then my conclusion will be to use ltsp :p
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| 17:20 | sbalneav, now another subject: the only way to turn on a PC using WOL is with the wakeonlan command?
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| 17:20 | <sbalneav> Don't know much about wake on lan, but I've heard of that command.
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| 17:21 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, ohh ok
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| 17:21 | <sbalneav> I know you can buy tcp/ip controlled power bars as well.
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| 17:25 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, power bars?
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| 17:28 | <sbalneav> Yeah, you know, power strips. usually 4-6 power outlets in a row
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| 17:45 | <sn9_> gonzaloaf_work: most bioses can be set to power on on wol
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| 17:46 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, but my clients are far away from me, around the university
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| 17:46 | <sn9_> check the bios
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| 17:47 | the solution is likely there
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| 21:00 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:00 | <sutula> vagrantc: I'm trying your suggestion for bug #422962. Do I need audiooss?
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| 21:00 | * sutula sees ltsp-server recommends it | |
| 21:00 | <vagrantc> i doubt it
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| 21:01 | recommends, or suggests ?
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| 21:01 | sometimes, i've had luck with sound "just working" in gnome.
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| 21:01 | sbalneav: heya :)
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| 21:01 | <sutula> vagrantc: recommends
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| 21:02 | vagrantc: Maybe I don't know what should be working. Gnome sounds (via ESD) seem to work, but not much else does.
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| 21:02 | <vagrantc> sutula: i wouldn't recommend using nas, so ...
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| 21:02 | sutula: yeah, so far ESD is the default "just works" stuff
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| 21:03 | haven't figured out how to get all alsa output to go via pulseaudio in debian yet.
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| 21:03 | but that seems like the way to do it, since a lot of stuff will support alsa
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| 21:04 | <sutula> vagrantc: Is that the mechanism that's working with 5.0.8?
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| 21:04 | <vagrantc> sutula: it's what ubuntu uses ...
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| 21:04 | * sutula isn't seeing the ESD port environment variable, nor the /dev/audio or /dev/dsp files on the client | |
| 21:04 | <vagrantc> ESPEAKER or PULSE_SERVER ?
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| 21:05 | sutula: ESPEAKER and PULSE_SERVER should be set by default when you log into the server.
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| 21:05 | /dev/dsp doesn't necessarily need to be there
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| 21:05 | though, if debian doesn't autodetect your sound hardware ... there's not much LTSP can do.
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| 21:06 | most likely, you'd need to configure some additional sound modules to load...
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| 21:06 | <sutula> vagrantc: Hmmm...so I'm getting gnome sounds (login, logout, etc.), but neither variable shows in a shell
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| 21:06 | <vagrantc> that's really, really weird.
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| 21:06 | * sutula thinks so too | |
| 21:07 | <vagrantc> i don't know how it would know to use the remote sound without those variables being set.
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| 21:07 | sutula: if you could add to the report, and then experiment with a few things ... that would be great.
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| 21:08 | <sutula> vagrantc: OK, I'm using "SCREEN_07 = startx"; is that changing things?
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| 21:08 | <vagrantc> sutula: oh, yes.
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| 21:08 | <sutula> vagrantc: I can get rid of that and use the no compression option
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| 21:08 | <vagrantc> sutula: local sound and local devices are not supported at all.
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| 21:09 | sutula: yes, use the LDM_DIRECTX stuff
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| 21:09 | <sutula> vagrantc: OK, I'll pull it and try again
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| 21:09 | <vagrantc> sutula: pull it ?
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| 21:09 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Does debian use ldm2?
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| 21:09 | <vagrantc> though, apparently local sound works with startx, at least somewhat
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| 21:09 | sbalneav: not yet
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| 21:09 | <sutula> vagrantc: remove it
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| 21:10 | <sbalneav> If you need any help to get it going, let me know.
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| 21:10 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: probably will upload to debian experimental or unstable soon, though.
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| 21:10 | sbalneav: yeah, i've got a branch that has ubuntu and debian branches merged ...
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| 21:11 | sbalneav: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/vagrant-debian-experimental/
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| 21:11 | sbalneav: i *think* it would be safe to merge for gutsy.
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| 21:11 | <vagrantc> but no guarantees
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| 21:11 | <sbalneav> I'll maybe make a second checkout.
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| 21:11 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: there's one change i know ogra doesn't want, and i'm ok with reverting it
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| 21:11 | <sbalneav> just in case :)
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| 21:11 | <sutula> vagrantc: Another problem I had was with the pieces of code that try to avoid calling debconf-communicate in ltsp-client-setup
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| 21:11 | <sbalneav> Which, the links?
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| 21:12 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: one of the debconf questions changed from "note" to "error"
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| 21:12 | <sutula> vagrantc: Whenever more than one parameter was trying to be set, that didn't work...I called debconf-communicate for each and that works (slowly)
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| 21:12 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: there's a thread on pkg-ltsp-devel abou tit
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| 21:12 | <sbalneav> ah, ok
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| 21:13 | <vagrantc> but it has a lot of translation updates, too.
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| 21:13 | <sutula> vagrantc: ...and then the default keyboard wasn't selected so X wouldn't start :(
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| 21:13 | <vagrantc> sutula: well, future versions may ditch that whole approach
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| 21:15 | <sutula> vagrantc: Given those symptoms, it seems like the backports stuff is probably relying on some new functionality in some of the X packages, maybe
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| 21:15 | <vagrantc> sutula: i don't think so
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| 21:16 | sutula: but i haven't tested it much
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| 21:17 | <sutula> vagrantc: Would you expect to have to do anything besides what was listed on the Debian wiki? I did that and dexconf dies because the keyboard layout wasn't defined
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| 21:18 | <vagrantc> sutula: i've done many installs with nothing different than described in the howto ... and they all worked
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| 21:18 | sutula: but i haven't had to use any special X keyboard layout stuff
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| 21:18 | <sutula> vagrantc: Did the server have X installed?
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| 21:18 | <vagrantc> defaults of xorg/us keyboard layout work
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| 21:19 | sutula: no
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| 21:19 | most of out ltsp 5.0.8debian3 installs at freegeek are running in minimalist xen instances, actually.
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| 21:19 | <sutula> vagrantc: Hmmm...that's the default I'm hoping for, but I have to set "us" in lts.conf to get it to work
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| 21:19 | <vagrantc> just nfs, tftp and dhcp
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| 21:19 | sutula: peculiar.
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| 21:23 | <sutula> vagrantc: OK, going through ldm (I think that's what it's called), I see ESPEAKER and PULSE_SERVER, and at least ESD apps work
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| 21:24 | <vagrantc> sutula: ok, that's some progress ...
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| 21:25 | sutula: we can at least document that, document how to configure KDE to use ESD, and document use of esddsp for everything else ...
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| 21:25 | in the long term, i'd like to hook alsa into pulseaudio, though ...
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| 21:27 | <sutula> vagrantc: So for the bug, it seems like the ESD part "just works" with 5.0.8
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| 21:27 | vagrantc: ...but it appears sound is an art still
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| 21:28 | <vagrantc> sutula: right, it's not as smooth as i would like, but it's a start.
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| 21:28 | <sutula> For example, the volume control applet in gnome says "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found"
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| 21:28 | ...but the pop-up itself is accompanied by the gnome alert sound :)
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| 21:29 | <vagrantc> sutula: try installing libgstreamer-plugins-pulse0.10-0
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| 21:29 | on the server
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| 21:29 | <sutula> vagrantc: not the chroot?
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| 21:29 | <vagrantc> sutula: yes, on the server itself
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| 21:29 | not the chroot
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| 21:33 | <sutula> vagrantc: What's the option to skip the encryption/compression? This is too slow.
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| 21:33 | <vagrantc> sutula: LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 21:34 | sutula: i've also got another URL for packages i'm working on for debian experimental, if you want ...
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| 21:34 | :)
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| 21:35 | <sutula> vagrantc: I'll wring these out a little more...maybe I can find something definite on the other two problems I had and let you know
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| 21:35 | <vagrantc> sutula: so the stuff in /etc/hosts.allow worked fine for you ?
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| 21:35 | <sutula> vagrantc: Yes
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| 21:35 | <vagrantc> sutula: i was working on confirming it yeterday, but didn't have enough time
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| 21:35 | first chance i had to try
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| 21:36 | <sutula> vagrantc: It appeared to time out in exactly 2 hrs
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| 21:36 | <vagrantc> 2 hours ... not ideal, but could be worse.
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| 21:36 | i.e. not at all.
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| 21:36 | <sutula> vagrantc: It'll work
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| 21:36 | <vagrantc> sutula: debian-edu has some really ugly scripts that seem to work ...
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| 21:37 | but they're really ugly. this is a nice one-line option.
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| 21:37 | <sutula> vagrantc: It'd be nicer if your shell script could arrange for it to be set somehow
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| 21:39 | <vagrantc> we could add it from ltsp-build-client ... but i have mixed feelings about that ...
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| 21:39 | <sutula> vagrantc: Right...can the script that's starting nbd do something?
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| 21:40 | ...as the client boots?
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| 21:40 | <vagrantc> sutula: well, as long as the client properly shuts down, everything is fine
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| 21:40 | sutula: the problem is when the client looses power ... so the fix has to be server-side
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| 21:41 | i'm not sure of any other way to set the keepalive stuff
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| 21:42 | <sutula> vagrantc: I see...well, it's an easy fix to document for now, then you can file upstream bugs :)
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| 21:43 | <vagrantc> already filed a few bugs on nbd with the debian maintainer ... talked with him a fair bit at debconf7
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| 21:43 | <sutula> vagrantc: Would he be receptive...it seems like it should be the default, or at least a conf parameter of that package
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| 21:46 | <vagrantc> sutula: well, the problem is that it is outside of nbd's scope ... it's actually set in the inetd (which by default is openbsd-inetd)
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| 21:47 | sutula: getting -a timeout fixed for nbd-server would be nice ... but apparently that is a major rehaul of the package.
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| 21:48 | <sutula> vagrantc: OK. On the pulse stuff, the libgstreamer-plugins-pulse gets me a working volume control, but am still not seeing many apps produce sound. I'm wondering if there are other pulse things I should be installing.
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| 21:49 | * sutula sees a pulseaudio - PulseAudio sound server, but suspects that's not it | |
| 21:50 | * sutula wonders about: | |
| 21:50 | <sutula> pulseaudio-module-gconf - gconf module for PulseAudio sound server
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| 21:51 | pulseaudio-module-zeroconf - Zeroconf module for PulseAudio sound server
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| 21:51 | <vagrantc> sutula: pulseaudio-utils includes padsp ... so you can call a program like: padsp foo
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| 21:51 | and foo should use pulseaudio
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| 21:52 | <sutula> vagrantc: That would be a start...other ideas?
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| 21:52 | <vagrantc> sutula: look at how ubuntu has configured sound and see if we can replicate it on debian ?
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| 21:52 | sutula: alsa is configured to use pulseaudio somehow ...
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| 21:52 | and nearly everything speaks alsa
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| 21:57 | <sutula> vagrantc: good idea...wasn't there another person who was spearheading the Ubuntu stuff, or are you doing both packages?
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| 21:57 | <vagrantc> sutula: ogra's the main person on ubuntu at the moment ... sbalneav is also actively involved
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| 21:58 | <sbalneav> I'm sort of more upstream when it comes to LTSP
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| 21:59 | I'm writing the binary bits, and I rely upon ogra and vagrantc to handle the heavy packaging lifting.
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| 21:59 | * sutula had hernia surgery Friday, so can understand :) | |
| 22:00 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so .. is there a plain ubuntu theme ?
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| 22:00 | <sbalneav> I think ogra's got one in there.
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| 22:01 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: it's not in the bzr branch ... you mean got it in some other package ?
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| 22:01 | * sbalneav checks | |
| 22:02 | <sbalneav> heh, no he doesn't.
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| 22:02 | I'll let him know.
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| 22:03 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: oh, also ogra won't like my change to switch the next-server option for dhcpd.conf to be uncommented by default
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| 22:03 | sbalneav: because upstream dhcpd makes that a required option, i propose that ubuntu do something in debian/rules since their patched dhcpd doesn't require it.
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| 22:04 | <sbalneav> hm, bit of divergence there.
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| 22:04 | <vagrantc> rather than making the upstream default incompatible with upstream dhcpd
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| 22:04 | there's a fair number of debian/ubuntu-isms in a lot of the new code ...
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| 22:05 | which probably is discouraging to folks to try and implement for other distros
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| 22:06 | * sutula finds http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Feisty/HOWTO:_PulseAudio and thinks he needs to study that :) | |
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| 23:46 | <burnerx> hello?
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| 23:48 | i got a question...
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| 23:49 | i just installed Edubuntu 7.04
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| 23:49 | install when smooth and now lookin at the desktop
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| 23:49 | what is the quickest way to test the thin client ?
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| 23:51 | <Nikopoika> you choosed to install ltsp packages while installing edubuntu?
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| 23:51 | <burnerx> i didn't have to select
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| 23:51 | it installed by itself
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| 23:51 | <Nikopoika> aa yes
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| 23:51 | <burnerx> i have two NICs, one is DHCP, another is static with 192.168.0.254
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| 23:52 | these are the settings i am looking at
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| 23:57 | can i use my laptop and try to connect to the ltsp?
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