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Channel log from 11 March 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:09 | <gnunux> hi
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| 01:26 | <muppis> Nicely slow.. Using LTSP VM-client over SSH..
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| 06:17 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 08:43 | <Roasted_> whats up guys
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| 08:43 | hate to be a pain but I'm still curious about changing my login screen appearance. any insight on that?
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| 09:11 | <Roasted_> :(
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| 12:06 | <Roasted_> Has anybody by chance *successfully* changed the background image at the login screen? I've followed all of the guides that supposedly did the trick yet I keep coming up with a blank slate gray screen instead. I'm unsure of what to do and I'd REALLY like to see it changed.
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| 12:11 | <alkisg> Roasted_: here's a how-to
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| 12:11 | 1) ltsp-build-client
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| 12:11 | 2) boot a client
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| 12:11 | 3) run ltsp-update-image. just to verify that this is not your problem
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| 12:12 | 4) open the existing .png with gimp and change it a big. Don't put your png just yet
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| 12:12 | 5) ltsp-update-image
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| 12:12 | If you see the changed png, all is well, you can put your own there
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| 12:12 | You're doing something very wrong, but I don't know what, so take it step by step
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| 12:13 | Did you upload your png somewhere?
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: which guides did you follow?
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| 12:14 | <Roasted_> vagrantc, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
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| 12:15 | alkisg, I did not. let me do that quick.
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| 12:15 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: i don't see anything in there about changing the LDM theme
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| 12:15 | <Roasted_> scroll down
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| 12:15 | there's 3 commands
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| 12:15 | then it says edit accordingly or something
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| 12:15 | <vagrantc> ah, found it
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| 12:16 | those instructions are very bad
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| 12:16 | <Roasted_> it's all I could find
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| 12:16 | seems as if documentation in this area is pretty scarce
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| 12:16 | <vagrantc> though they would work... until you upgraded your package
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| 12:16 | <Roasted_> they would work?
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| 12:16 | I tried it like 9 times
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| 12:16 | failed each time
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| 12:16 | alkisg, I don't think I can upload this. each image hosting site I go to is un-overrideable by our filter cause theyre all classified as adult.
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> Roasted_, for example, if you use a broken .png, then any instructions would fail
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| 12:17 | <Roasted_> alkisg, maybe that's my issue.
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| 12:17 | I'll try locating another png and see whats up
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> Change the existing one
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| 12:17 | <Roasted_> how, just making a change to it in gimp?
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> Open it with gimp, draw something, save
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| 12:17 | <Roasted_> then run the update-image?
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> Yes, but:
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| 12:18 | if it's already broken, it won't be fixed
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| 12:18 | <Roasted_> if what's already broken, the png?
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> Didn't you say you tried reverting to the old image, and failed as well?
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| 12:18 | <Roasted_> the default png
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| 12:18 | yeah, but I'm running client-update now
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| 12:18 | or client-build
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| 12:18 | so it should revert it back to square one
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| 12:18 | shouldnt it?
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> Which one of the two are you running?
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| 12:18 | update or biuld?
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| 12:19 | <Roasted_> the one that takes forever
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| 12:19 | build-client
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| 12:19 | <alkisg> So build, then yes, it should work now
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| 12:19 | <Roasted_> it should be done any minute now
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| 12:19 | its been running for a while
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| 12:19 | annnnd done
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> simply copy the files: cp -r /opt/ltsp/usr/share/ldm/themes/Edubuntu /opt/ltsp/usr/share/ldm/themes/mytheme
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| 12:19 | <Roasted_> yay for good timing
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> and set LDM_THEME=mytheme in lts.conf
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| 12:19 | <Roasted_> thats another thing
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| 12:20 | I dont have an Edubuntu directory
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| 12:20 | just ubuntu
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| 12:20 | <vagrantc> then copy that one
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| 12:20 | <Roasted_> so I just changed the command to ubuntu instead
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| 12:20 | <vagrantc> does ubuntu ship the "ltsp" theme?
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| 12:20 | <Roasted_> not sure. Im on edubuntu tho
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| 12:20 | but I dont have an edubuntu folder in /opt/ltsp/usr/share/ldm/themes
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| 12:20 | <vagrantc> doh.
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| 12:21 | i should have said /opt/ltsp/i386... sorry
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| 12:21 | <Roasted_> I just assumed the ubuntu folder I had in there was what they meant
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| 12:21 | <vagrantc> any should workl
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| 12:21 | <Roasted_> yeah
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| 12:21 | i386
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| 12:21 | I forgot that part too
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| 12:21 | <vagrantc> but i'd recommend using LDM_THEME in lts.conf rather than messing around with the default symlink
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| 12:21 | <alkisg> afaik ubuntu ships the ltsp theme, and also there's no separate edubuntu theme for now
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| 12:22 | <vagrantc> (or using update-alternatives to update the default symlink, but i think lts.conf is easier).
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| 12:22 | <Roasted_> vagrantc, so you're saying adjust LDM_THEME to point to mytheme, and then just swapping out the png in mytheme?
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| 12:23 | what the...
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| 12:23 | I still have a gray screen
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| 12:23 | I just ran through build-client and rebooted and I still have a gray screen
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| 12:23 | glad I uploaded this server as an image. If I cant get this flying Ill just reimage it to how it was an hour ago when I uploaded it.
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> build-client?
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| 12:23 | <Roasted_> yeah
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| 12:23 | I ran that command and waited forever
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> ltsp-build-client ?
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| 12:23 | <Roasted_> it was supposed to default everything I guess
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| 12:23 | yes
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| 12:24 | but I STILL have a gray background
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| 12:24 | dklfja;ksldjf;alskdjf;laksdjf;a
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> i.e. you re-installed the LTSP chroot?
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| 12:24 | you removed the old one first?
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| 12:24 | <Roasted_> I ran the command...
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| 12:24 | and it completed 10 minutes later.
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| 12:24 | I'm not sure?
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> ltsp-build-client, with no arguments?
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| 12:25 | <Roasted_> it yelled at me about /opt/ltsp/amd64
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| 12:25 | so I removed it
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| 12:25 | and ran the command again
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| 12:25 | and it went through
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: what about /opt/ltsp/i386 ?
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| 12:25 | <Roasted_> it didnt yell at me about that
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> you probably want to build i386 chroot
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| 12:25 | <Roasted_> I suppose thats the issue?
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> are your clients 64-bit?
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| 12:25 | <Roasted_> server is, clients are not
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> or do you want i386 clients?
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| 12:25 | <Roasted_> I want 32b clients
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| 12:26 | old hardware that isnt 64 bit proc's
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| 12:26 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 12:26 | ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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| 12:26 | not sure what all the defaults are on ubuntu, but there are some options to cache the downloaded files since it seems like you might have to do this a few times.
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| 12:27 | you might have to clean out your old chroots as well
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| 12:27 | er, /opt/ltsp/images
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| 12:27 | and it might do some configuration in /etc/inetd.conf ... i'm not so familiar with ubuntu's defaults
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| 12:28 | but you really should get to a clean state
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| 12:28 | <Roasted_> k, running --arch i386 now
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| 12:28 | so back to the background thing
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| 12:28 | since this has been a 5 hour project now
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| 12:28 | what exactly do you recommend I do? Edit a config file to just point to mytheme instead of default?
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| 12:28 | * vagrantc notes that LDM_THEME isn't documented in the lts.conf manpage | |
| 12:28 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: that's what i'd recommend, yes.
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| 12:29 | <Roasted_> wheres the location of lts.conf?
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| 12:29 | I'd like to take that down in my notes here
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| 12:29 | <vagrantc> probably /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 12:30 | <Roasted_> so make that change, then whatever is in mytheme is what the theme is
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| 12:38 | * vagrantc is documenting LDM_THEME | |
| 12:39 | <Roasted_> :)
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| 12:46 | <vagrantc> gah, this is hard to explain because everything in LDM_THEME is relative to the chroot ... which baffles people
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| 12:46 | hard to explain well.
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| 12:48 | <Roasted_> well, bottom line is, change the directory to mytheme and drop in other png's accordingly and that's it right?
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| 12:48 | or are you trying to give an explanation with the directions?
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| 12:50 | <vagrantc> so you'd copy and existing theme to mytheme, set LDM_THEME=mytheme, and then tweak the files in mytheme as you wish
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| 12:50 | <Roasted_> theres no LDM_THEME in lts.conf
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| 12:50 | sigh
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| 12:50 | just LDM_DEBUG and LDM_REMOTEECMD
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| 12:50 | <vagrantc> unless you're running an ancient version of LDM, it supports it.
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| 12:50 | it's just not documented
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| 12:51 | <Roasted_> do I have to ADD LDM_THEME
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| 12:51 | or should it be there
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: there is no lts.conf by default ... what do you mean?
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| 12:51 | <Roasted_> uh
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| 12:51 | you told me
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| 12:51 | edit lts.conf
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 12:51 | <Roasted_> k, that's what I'm doing
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| 12:51 | what do you mean there's no lts.conf
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> and there are already values specified there?
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| 12:51 | <Roasted_> when you told me to edit it..
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> create it if it doesn't exist
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| 12:51 | <Roasted_> it does
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| 12:51 | theres no LDM_THEME value in here
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> but if it does exist, and there are values there, where did those come from?
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| 12:52 | <Roasted_> there's only two instances of "LDM" in the entire document
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> because by deffault, there's no lts.conf
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| 12:52 | <Roasted_> just LDM_DEBUG and LDM_REMOTEECMD
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> who edited your lts.conf?
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| 12:52 | <Roasted_> no clue
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| 12:52 | I didn't
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| 12:52 | if it was edited, it was edited automatically
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| 12:52 | this is a pretty vanilla install of Edubuntu
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> did you mess with mythbuntu or something?
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| 12:52 | <Roasted_> nope
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| 12:52 | <alkisg> Where is your lts.conf?
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| 12:53 | * vagrantc defers to alkisg on matters of ubuntu's defaults | |
| 12:53 | <Roasted_> actually that may be an example
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| 12:53 | its buried within /opt/etc/etc/etc/etc/doc
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| 12:53 | the doc makes me think its an example
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| 12:53 | the only other lts.conf on the entire system is under /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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| 12:54 | <alkisg> See the path that vagrantc wrote above
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| 12:54 | <Roasted_> which is entirely commented out except [example] key=value
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| 12:54 | yeah theres no lts.conf in there
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| 12:54 | so create lts.conf and add the LDM_THEME in there
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| 12:55 | and thats it in the entire file"?
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| 12:55 | <alkisg> [Default]
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| 12:55 | LDM_THEME=...
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| 12:55 | I.e. you also need a [Default] section
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| 12:55 | <vagrantc> alkisg: maybe we need a command edit-lts-conf
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| 12:55 | <Roasted_> k, done
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| 12:56 | update-client?
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| 12:56 | image*
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| 12:56 | * alkisg proposed a GUI editor but it was rejected ;) | |
| 12:56 | <vagrantc> awww
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| 12:56 | <Roasted_> pfft
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| 12:56 | <Roasted_> not sure why it was rejected
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| 12:56 | its stupidly obnoxious to edit a damn background image
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| 12:57 | <matt___> gui editor for what?
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| 12:57 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it seems like a script to create and populate a skeletal lts.conf (i.e. [Default] ) and simply edit the existing one if it's already present would be useful
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| 12:57 | although people are trying to come up with mastermind alternate schemes to lts.conf anyways ... :)
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 12:58 | <Roasted_> I dont seem to have a mytheme folder
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| 12:58 | <alkisg> I'm in favor of a ltsp-config.d directory for sysadmins and packages to drop conf there
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| 12:58 | (on the server, etc etc :))
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| 13:00 | <Roasted_> okay, before I just say screw it and stay with the default image... what step am I missing
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| 13:00 | I created lts.conf
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| 13:00 | I added the entries there
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| 13:00 | I edited the bg.png file that I have saved on my desktop, which is the original one I copied and edited
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| 13:01 | I wanted to place the bg.png back into mytheme and then proceed to the next step
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| 13:01 | but theres no mytheme folder
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| 13:03 | <alkisg> (09:19:44 PM) vagrantc: simply copy the files: cp -r /opt/ltsp/usr/share/ldm/themes/Edubuntu /opt/ltsp/usr/share/ldm/themes/mytheme
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| 13:03 | You're missing careful reading :)
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| 13:03 | <Roasted_> my apologies
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| 13:03 | simple things not working are aggrivating me to no end
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| 13:03 | <alkisg> Since there's no edubuntu folder, copy the ubuntu one
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| 13:04 | <vagrantc> ok, well, documented LDM_THEME in ltsp-docs bzr
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| 13:05 | <Roasted_> wheres that located at
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| 13:05 | <vagrantc> that's 3 updates from the last version in debian/ubuntu ... should i wait for more changes to upload a new version
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| 13:06 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: well, it's just documenting the use of the variable, not the whole theme setup...
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I think Natty is frozen, and Wheezy is too new, so there's no rush for tagging
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| 13:07 | <Roasted_> didnt work
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| 13:07 | I give up
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| 13:08 | Im sick of this fricken gray screen
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| 13:08 | and these damn guides that simply. dont. work.
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| 13:08 | <vagrantc> alkisg: we've never tagged ltsp-docs
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> Ah ok then
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| 13:08 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's still 0.99+bzrXXX
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| 13:08 | <Roasted_> alkisg, I would REALLY like to see your gui idea come to life.
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| 13:08 | <Roasted_> this simple idea is retardedly difficult in my opinion
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> Roasted_: are you still trying with the same .png?
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| 13:09 | Which may be broken?
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| 13:09 | <Roasted_> alkisg, no.
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| 13:09 | I took the default one
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| 13:09 | edited it with gimp
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| 13:09 | put it in mytheme
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| 13:09 | updated
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| 13:09 | booted client
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| 13:09 | gray screen
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> Did you see the ubuntu logo?
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| 13:09 | <vagrantc> alkisg: would be good to do a coordinated audit of LTSP docs and release ltsp-docs 1.0
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| 13:09 | <Roasted_> during bootup, yes
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> Roasted_: ok, try to put everything back as it was, without running ltsp-build-client
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| 13:10 | I'm guessing something else breaks your booting
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| 13:10 | <Roasted_> well I have a username box
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| 13:10 | to log in, etc
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| 13:10 | its just a gray background
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| 13:10 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: comment out LDM_THEME and try again
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> Ah so you're able to login?
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| 13:11 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: do you still get the gray screen?
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> Because I thought last time it was hanged there
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| 13:11 | <Roasted_> alkisg, trying to log in
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| 13:11 | yes I can log in
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| 13:12 | guess I forgot my test user password. scared me for a second that I couldnt get in. but Im in under administrator.
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| 13:12 | the original image is put back. should I update again?
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> Try what vagrantc proposed
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| 13:13 | Change lts.conf, don't update image
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| 13:16 | <Roasted_> alright
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| 13:16 | we're back
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| 13:16 | default screen
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| 13:18 | anything else?
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: so ... did setting it back to the defaults work as expected?
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| 13:31 | <Roasted_> by commenting it out, yes
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> i.e. no gray screen
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| 13:31 | <Roasted_> well
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| 13:31 | I had already put the original image back
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| 13:31 | AND commented it out
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| 13:31 | and I was back @ defaul
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| 13:31 | t
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| 13:32 | <vagrantc> in troubleshooting, it's kind of important to only change one thing at a time...
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| 13:32 | <Roasted_> I know
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| 13:32 | I had already put the image back when you said to comment it out
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| 13:32 | want me to duplicate what I did
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| 13:32 | with only doing 1 change
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| 13:32 | <vagrantc> ok, so right now, you're essentially booted with the defaults, and it works?
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| 13:33 | <Roasted_> yes
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| 13:33 | I'm completely at default
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| 13:33 | works fine
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| 13:33 | <vagrantc> so let's delete your mytheme directory
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| 13:33 | copy and then copy the ubuntu theme over it
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| 13:34 | <Roasted_> mytheme deleted
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| 13:34 | <vagrantc> then copy the ubuntu theme over it
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| 13:34 | <Roasted_> meaning, copy ubuntu and rename the copy to MyTheme ??
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| 13:34 | <vagrantc> i.e. cp -r ubuntu mytheme
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| 13:34 | that's what i'd do
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| 13:35 | <Roasted_> done
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> and then i'd cp ltsp/background.png mytheme/background.png
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| 13:36 | (that's a known good background.png)
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| 13:36 | or at least, should be
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| 13:36 | i can't remember the last time i played with ldm themes...
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| 13:36 | <Roasted_> done
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| 13:36 | boot client?
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| 13:36 | <vagrantc> ltsp-update-image
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| 13:37 | <Roasted_> k
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| 13:37 | <vagrantc> then set LDM_THEME=mytheme in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 13:37 | and then reboot
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| 13:37 | you should get a blue background
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| 13:38 | * vagrantc is assuming the ubuntu background isn't blue | |
| 13:38 | <Roasted_> yeah
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| 13:38 | the ubuntu one is orange/white
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| 13:38 | its really nice actually
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| 13:38 | I just want to customize it so its more fitting for our lab environments
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| 13:38 | <vagrantc> good. so this will be obvious weather it's changed
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| 13:39 | <Roasted_> k
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| 13:39 | booting client
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| 13:40 | gray background
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| 13:40 | how is it THIS hard to do such a simple thing
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| 13:40 | <vagrantc> bizarre
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| 13:40 | <Roasted_> here, LTSP, one click install, but youll spend 9 hours changing the background
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| 13:41 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: set LDM_THEME=ltsp in lts.conf and try again
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| 13:42 | <Roasted_> update-client or just reboot client?
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| 13:42 | <vagrantc> just reboot it
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| 13:42 | <Roasted_> k
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| 13:43 | worked
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| 13:43 | blue background
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| 13:43 | LTSP.org
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| 13:44 | <vagrantc> is there a bg.png, or background.png?
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| 13:44 | <Roasted_> bg.png
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| 13:45 | bg.png is the default white/orange one
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| 13:45 | and also my edited one
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| 13:45 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: what version of ldm are you running?
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| 13:45 | Roasted_: dpkg --root /opt/ltsp/i386 -l ldm
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| 13:46 | <Roasted_> 2:2.1.3
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> Roasted_: run the command "file your-image.png"
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| 13:46 | E.g. file /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/ubuntu/bg.png
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| 13:46 | /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/ubuntu/bg.png: PNG image, 1680 x 1050, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced
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| 13:47 | <vagrantc> so you're on maverick?
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| 13:47 | <alkisg> But with *your* image
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| 13:47 | <vagrantc> alkisg: we've tested that the ubuntu theme works, the ltsp theme works, but copying the bg.png from ltsp to a copy of the ubuntu theme doesn't appear to work ... ?
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> Ah, I thought he put his modified background there?
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| 13:48 | * alkisg reads back... | |
| 13:48 | <Roasted_> alkisg, I modified the default one
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| 13:48 | by scribblng on it in gimp
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| 13:48 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: you did copy the ltsp/bg.png to mytheme/bg.png, yes?
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| 13:48 | <Roasted_> yes
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| 13:48 | I have LTSP as the background now
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| 13:48 | @ login screen
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| 13:49 | not the default white/orange ubuntu one
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| 13:49 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: yes, but did you copy ltsp/bg.png to mytheme/bg.png ?
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| 13:49 | <alkisg> Roasted_: for example, it might not be a .png image anymore, even if it has a .png extension. What does the `file` command say?
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| 13:49 | <vagrantc> then ltsp-update-image, and boot with LDM_THEME=mytheme
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| 13:50 | * Gadi thinks of the pics Roasted is considering.... :) | |
| 13:50 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: it's not clear to me that you tested mytheme using most of the parts from ubuntu, and the bg.png from ltsp
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| 13:50 | <Roasted_> vagrantc, yes, I copied ltsp bg.png over to mytheme/bg.png
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| 13:50 | then I rebooted the client
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| 13:50 | and I now have ltsp bg.png as my background
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| 13:50 | its blue, says LTSP, etc.
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| 13:51 | <vagrantc> gah.
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| 13:51 | * alkisg insists on a broken .png image :) | |
| 13:51 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: we tried two things ... one was simply setting LDM_THEME=ltsp
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| 13:52 | Roasted_: the other was i *tried* to get you to copy ltsp/bg.png to mytheme/bg.png, ltsp-update-image, and set LDM_THEME=mytheme
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| 13:52 | but it's not clear to me what actually happened
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| 13:52 | <Roasted_> alkisg, file bg.png says PNG Image 640.4580 8 bit color RGBA non interlaced
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| 13:52 | <alkisg> 1680 x 1050 ?
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| 13:52 | <Roasted_> no
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| 13:52 | 640 480
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| 13:52 | my bad on typo
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| 13:52 | <alkisg> Then you didn't change the ubuntu one, did you?
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| 13:52 | <vagrantc> that's probably the ltsp/bg.png
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| 13:53 | <Roasted_> alkisg, thats the LTSP one
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| 13:53 | yes
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> (10:47:02 PM) alkisg: But with *your* image
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| 13:53 | Not with the ltsp one. With the one you had problems with.
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc> alkisg: Roasted_ was following my instructions too
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| 13:53 | <Roasted_> yeah
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| 13:53 | I didn't do anything different than what vagrantc said
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i was trying to test the ubuntu theme with the ltsp/bg.png
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| 13:54 | <Roasted_> the default one errored out, yet ltsp bg.png worked
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> Sorry I didn't mean to intrude
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| 13:54 | <vagrantc> we're all confusing each other :)
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| 13:54 | Roasted_: wait, you told me it didn't work till you set LDM_THEME=ltsp
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| 13:54 | <Roasted_> right
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| 13:54 | it didnt
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| 13:55 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: even though the bg.png is the same in ltsp and mytheme?
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| 13:55 | <Roasted_> bg.png in ltsp and mytheme are two different things
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| 13:55 | mytheme has the ubuntu one
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| 13:55 | ltsp has the blue ltsp.org one
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| 13:55 | alkisg, how about that gui? :(
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| 13:56 | <vagrantc> a gui is not going to help here
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| 13:56 | Roasted_: soooooooo......
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| 13:56 | <Roasted_> if a gui application existed, it would
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| 13:56 | but, it doesn't, so we're stuck
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| 13:56 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: what i'm trying to get you to test is the mytheme with the bg.png from the ltsp theme
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| 13:56 | Roasted_: but all the other parts from ubuntu
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| 13:56 | <Roasted_> so what do I need to do from here
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| 13:57 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: cp ltsp/bg.png mytheme/bg.png
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| 13:57 | Roasted_: ltsp-update-image
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| 13:57 | Roasted_: LDM_THEME=mytheme in lts.conf
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| 13:58 | reboot, and see if you get the blue background with the ubuntu logo
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| 13:58 | if that still grey screens, there's something in the ubuntu theme that puts limitations on what you can use for bg.png
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| 13:59 | <Roasted_> if it gray screens, I quit
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| 13:59 | I refuse to spend more HOURS doing something so ridiculous
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| 13:59 | please. gui for this task.
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| 13:59 | :(
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| 13:59 | updating now
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| 13:59 | * vagrantc is getting rather grumpy with this too | |
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| 14:01 | <Roasted_> gray background
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| 14:01 | fk this
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| 14:01 | * Gadi thinks of a background picture with rolling meadows and a clear sky.... | |
| 14:01 | <Roasted_> this is total bullshit
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| 14:01 | something so simple should NOT be this retardedly difficult
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| 14:02 | running build-client now
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> It's possible that the image needs to be the same dimentions
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| 14:02 | <Roasted_> what..
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| 14:02 | you think?
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> That's why I suggested modifying the ubuntu one
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| 14:02 | <Roasted_> I did
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| 14:02 | <vagrantc> there's sometihing in the ubuntu theme that needs the .png configured in a particular way
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| 14:02 | * Gadi always grabs a png from the internet and overwrites ubuntu/bg.png | |
| 14:02 | <Roasted_> I scribbled on it in gimp
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| 14:02 | I used the EXACT white/orange one
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| 14:03 | * alkisg tests locally... | |
| 14:03 | <Roasted_> lets put it this way
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| 14:03 | where does LTSP look for with the background
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| 14:04 | ignore the lts.conf
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| 14:04 | which BG.PNG does it pull
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| 14:04 | is it the one in default
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| 14:04 | ubuntu
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| 14:04 | or what
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/default/
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| 14:04 | in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/default/bg.png
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| 14:04 | <Roasted_> default isnt a directory
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| 14:04 | on my end
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| 14:04 | <Roasted_> I have a text file it looks like
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> default *should* point to /etc/alternatives/ldm-theme, and /etc/alternatives/ldm-theme should point to /usr/share/ldm/themes/ubuntu
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| 14:05 | <Roasted_> and it appears to be broken
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: it's a symlink, and it's broken because the symlink is relative to the chroot
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| 14:05 | <Roasted_> so it being broken is okay
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| 14:05 | ?
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> it's only "broken" from the server's perspective
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| 14:06 | <Roasted_> okay
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| 14:06 | now
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| 14:06 | I dont have a default folder
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> Gadi: are you saying you grab random bg.png and they work?
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| 14:06 | <Roasted_> why not
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| 14:06 | yeah, gadi
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| 14:06 | tell us your secret
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| 14:06 | Ive been at this for hours
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| 14:06 | please make my friday happy and tell me your secret
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: you told me you followed instructions that said to delete the default symlink
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| 14:06 | which is what i said was bad
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| 14:06 | <Roasted_> I did?
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> Roasted_: will it make a happy friday?
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| 14:06 | <Roasted_> I dont think I said that?
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| 14:06 | Gadi, please!
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| 14:07 | Gadi, a 6 pack depends on it
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| 14:07 | Gadi, whats your secret
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> ok, then lets do it
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> 11:14 < Roasted_> vagrantc, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> first of all, deep breaths all around
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| 14:07 | <Roasted_> Gadi, been there done that
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| 14:07 | step 2?
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| 14:07 | :)
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| 14:07 | vagrantc, what about it
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> this has been quite the scrolling exchange
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| 14:07 | wait wat
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| 14:07 | ok, now
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| 14:07 | you run ubuntu or edubuntu
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: that includes instructions to remove the /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/default
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| 14:07 | <Roasted_> edubuntu 10.10 64 bit DVD
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> wait wait
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: which are bad instructions
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> wait wait
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| 14:08 | <Roasted_> vagrantc, then why are they on the damn FAQ
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| 14:08 | who is supposed to manage that documentation
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> can I throw a flag
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| 14:08 | <Roasted_> Gadi, this isnt NFL (no fun league)
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| 14:08 | this is NHL, where men are men
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> crap
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| 14:08 | ok, then Ill whistle
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| 14:08 | ;)
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| 14:08 | <Roasted_> FACE OFF
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> thru the holes in my teeth
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| 14:08 | :D
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| 14:08 | <Roasted_> gadi
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| 14:08 | secret?
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| 14:09 | <alkisg> Just tried modifying the default ubuntu/bg.png with gimp. Worked fine
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| 14:09 | What other things should I try?
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| 14:09 | * vagrantc is weary of attempting to help someone and getting hostility back | |
| 14:09 | <Gadi> ok, so, edubuntu, by default, is gonna pull from the edubuntu theme
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> so count me out.
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| 14:09 | <Roasted_> vagrantc, appreciate your help brosef
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| 14:09 | Gadi, gotcha
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| 14:09 | <Gadi> what happened to the deep breathing?
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| 14:09 | geesh
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| 14:09 | anyway
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| 14:09 | <Roasted_> I am
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| 14:09 | calm, blood pressure low, smiling
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| 14:10 | <Gadi> so, its gonna go for the theme in the edubuntu directory
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| 14:10 | <Roasted_> what is the path to this edubuntu directory
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| 14:10 | is this opt ltsp i386 usr share ldm themes
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| 14:10 | <Gadi> if your chroot is /opt/ltsp/i386, then it is: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes
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| 14:10 | I believe
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| 14:10 | <Roasted_> STOP
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| 14:10 | I dont have "edubuntu"
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| 14:10 | I have "ubuntu"
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| 14:11 | not sure if its important
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> aha! well, it may be. let's find out
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| 14:11 | now
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| 14:11 | <alkisg> I just tried with a "mytheme" copy of the ubuntu theme, and LDM_THEME=mytheme, it worked fine too.
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> do you know what "alternatives" are?
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| 14:11 | <Roasted_> alkisg, :(
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| 14:11 | alkisg, fly to PA and fix this thing for me :)
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| 14:11 | Gadi, not ringing a bell
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| 14:12 | <alkisg> Roasted_: there's vnc or screen for that, no need for planes
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> Roasted_: ok, so "alternatives" is a system that packages in ubuntu use when multiple packages may want to set a different default thing (like a theme)
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| 14:12 | it is a series of symlinks
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| 14:12 | located in /etc/alternatives
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| 14:13 | so, in this case, we want to know what: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/alternatives/ldm-theme points to
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| 14:13 | which I believe vagrantc asked about before
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| 14:13 | but I didnt catch
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| 14:14 | so, can u: ls -ld /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/alternatives/ldm-theme
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| 14:14 | <alkisg> Finally, I just tried copying ubuntu/ to mytheme/, and replacing mytheme/bg.png with ltsp/bg.png. Worked fine too: http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=142442
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| 14:15 | So no matter how much I tried, I couldn't get a gray image
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| 14:15 | <Roasted_> /usr/share/ldm/themes/ubuntu
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| 14:15 | whaaaaaaaaat
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| 14:15 | alkisg
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| 14:15 | <Gadi> Roasted_: ok, great! so that tells you by default it uses the ubuntu/ theme directory
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| 14:15 | * alkisg pauses too and leaves it up to Gadi :) | |
| 14:16 | <Roasted_> alkisg, what language is that?
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> Greek
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| 14:16 | Shouldn't matter
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| 14:16 | <Roasted_> alkisg, oh Id idnt expect it to
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| 14:16 | I was just curious
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| 14:16 | Gadi, so more or less we're pulling from ubuntu for my theme
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| 14:16 | so
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| 14:16 | TECHNICALLY
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| 14:16 | should I be allowed to drag/drop bg.png into that directory
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| 14:16 | and it act as my new background?
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| 14:17 | <Gadi> ok, so, if you have no LDM_THEME specified, you are pulling from ubuntu/ dir
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| 14:18 | in which case, you should be able to overwrite bg.png in that directory, then: sudo ltsp-update-image --arch i386, then reboot the client
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| 14:18 | <Roasted_> do I have to reboot the server
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> no
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| 14:18 | that would be insane
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| 14:18 | :)
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| 14:18 | <Roasted_> gadi
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| 14:18 | I have an edited image in ubuntu directory
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| 14:18 | and
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| 14:19 | this same process failed before
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| 14:19 | but
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| 14:19 | Ill try it right now again
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| 14:19 | <Gadi> before you do
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| 14:19 | what image are you using in there?
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| 14:19 | <Roasted_> uh
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| 14:19 | you mean between 32 and 64?
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| 14:19 | <Gadi> no, I mean the png
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| 14:19 | <Roasted_> I took the default one and edited in gimp by scribbling on it
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| 14:19 | saved it as bg.png
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| 14:20 | and dropped it in place within root nautilus
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| 14:20 | thereby overwriting bg.png
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| 14:20 | <Gadi> ah, try grabbing a random one from the internet
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| 14:20 | instead
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| 14:20 | <Roasted_> do I keep the same name
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| 14:20 | bg.png?
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| 14:20 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 14:20 | make sure you keep it as bg.png
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| 14:20 | * vagrantc envisions writing an LDM hook to grab a random .png off the internet every time | |
| 14:21 | <Gadi> honestly, the rolling hills pics look much nicer than the paint splash
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| 14:21 | :)
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| 14:21 | <Roasted_> is there a difference between sudo ltsp-update-image -a i386 vs --archi386
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| 14:21 | * alkisg used a hill pic in his schools, kids loved it | |
| 14:21 | <Roasted_> --arch i386 that is
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> I always use --arch
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| 14:22 | <Roasted_> I used -a i386 before
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> dunno why
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| 14:22 | <Roasted_> wonder if that mattered
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> :)
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| 14:22 | <Roasted_> updating
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| 14:22 | crossing fingers
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> what was ur random pic?
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| 14:22 | <Roasted_> tux
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| 14:22 | * Gadi shakes his head | |
| 14:22 | <Roasted_> via google.com/images "png image"
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| 14:22 | figured it was suitable
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| 14:22 | ;)
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> btw, did you say you get a grey screen when it doesnt work?
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| 14:23 | <Roasted_> yes
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> how do you manage to get grey?
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| 14:23 | <Roasted_> all slate gray
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| 14:23 | I have no idea
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| 14:23 | k
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| 14:23 | updated
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| 14:23 | boot client?
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> you should at least get black
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| 14:24 | yeah
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| 14:24 | <Roasted_> I dont get black
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| 14:24 | just gray
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| 14:24 | with login box
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| 14:24 | and a shutdown option or whatever int he lower left
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| 14:24 | <Gadi> ah, so you get the rest of the greeter
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| 14:24 | <Roasted_> yeah
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| 14:24 | it works
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| 14:24 | its functional
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| 14:24 | I can log in, etc.
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| 14:25 | gadi
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| 14:25 | itw orked
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| 14:25 | what the hell
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| 14:25 | <Gadi> so, grey is gtk's doing
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| 14:25 | <Roasted_> I see a fat image of tux here
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| 14:25 | <Gadi> yeah, so you prolly had a bad png image
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| 14:25 | <Roasted_> but Iw as using the default one
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| 14:25 | gahhhhhhhhh
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| 14:25 | gadi come to pa
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| 14:25 | <Gadi> but then you "saved"
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| 14:25 | <Roasted_> I give you a 6 pack
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| 14:25 | yes
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| 14:25 | in gimp?
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| 14:25 | <Gadi> and who knows what gimp saved it as
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| 14:25 | I mean
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| 14:25 | in terms of interlaces, RGBA, bla bla
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| 14:26 | <Roasted_> hm
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| 14:26 | lets see if our in-house image will work
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> I never get all that crap straight
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| 14:26 | <Roasted_> with the mascot I have
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> :)
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| 14:26 | anyhow, I gotta run
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| 14:26 | <Roasted_> gadi
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| 14:26 | I love you
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> we at least a wee bit happier this Friday?
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| 14:26 | <Roasted_> gadi
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| 14:26 | yes
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> Well I was yelling about bad png hours ago
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| 14:26 | And about "file yourimage.png" :)
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| 14:26 | <Roasted_> alkisg, I know
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> alkisg: you were yelling in Greek
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| 14:26 | <Roasted_> alkisg, I ran file yourimage.png
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> I just had to translate
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> | |
| 14:26 | <Roasted_> I told you what it said
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> :)
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| 14:27 | <alkisg> Roasted_: no, you run that on the ltsp image
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| 14:27 | Not on your image
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| 14:27 | <Roasted_> uhhhhhh
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| 14:27 | <alkisg> 640 x 480 etc
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| 14:27 | <Roasted_> oh
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| 14:27 | yeah
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| 14:27 | alkisg, appreciate your help too
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| 14:27 | <Gadi> anyhow, have a good weekend, guys
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| 14:27 | <Roasted_> like no other
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| 14:27 | <Gadi> cheers
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| 14:27 | <Roasted_> you too gadi
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| 14:27 | and mr vagrantc
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| 14:27 | <alkisg> bb Gadi
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| 14:27 | <Roasted_> you too
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| 14:28 | gah
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| 14:28 | our images are gif's
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| 14:28 | with the mascot
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| 14:28 | is there an intelligent way to convert them
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| 14:28 | <alkisg> Gimp => save as
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| 14:28 | <Roasted_> lol
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| 14:28 | thats what I did with the default ubuntu one!
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| 14:28 | <alkisg> Ah you have many?
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| 14:28 | <Roasted_> no, just two
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| 14:28 | <alkisg> Maybe you saved it as xcf
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| 14:28 | "file" will tell you
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| 14:28 | <Roasted_> nope
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| 14:28 | bg.png
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| 14:29 | <alkisg> The extension doesn't matter
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| 14:29 | <Roasted_> k, let me try this again
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| 14:29 | Im in gimp with the gif now
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| 14:30 | <alkisg> Yey I managed to get a gray background :D
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| 14:30 | I put an .xcf there, renamed as a .png
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| 14:30 | <Roasted_> yeah I just hit the drop down and selected png
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| 14:30 | AND
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| 14:30 | named it bg.png
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| 14:30 | hopefully the drop down does it, as I think I missed that step before
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| 14:31 | so when I get an LTSP update, it'll reverse this, right?
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| 14:31 | <alkisg> If you do
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| 14:31 | I've yet to see one
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| 14:31 | <Roasted_> k
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| 14:31 | Im making a google doc of notes as I go along
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| 14:32 | commands, what to watch out for, small notations, etc
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| 14:32 | booting client now. crossing fingers.
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| 14:32 | hahahahaha
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| 14:32 | winner
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: well, that's why i said to copy it and use LDM_THEME ... then updates won't break your setup (probably)
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| 14:33 | <Roasted_> I gotcha
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| 14:34 | I got some artwork to do this weekend
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| 14:34 | to make this image work with the spacing, etc
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> vagrantc: have you tried grub2 pxe booting recently? Is it any good?
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> alkisg: not recently
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| 14:34 | alkisg: it's probably still painfully slow ... being based on *ancient* etherboot code
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> Hrm. And syslinux keeps getting better...
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| 14:35 | It even has arch and cpu detection now
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| 14:35 | <vagrantc> alkisg: there's a script to generate the grub2 pxe image in debian now ... although update-grub still borks probing for partitions and such
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| 14:35 | it's had that for ages
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| 14:36 | alkisg: i'd really like a memory detection correlary
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> Since syslinux 4, I believe
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| 14:36 | <vagrantc> oh, you mean built in? or just add-on programs ... because it had the arch detection in debian lenny, released 2 years ago
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| 14:36 | with the ifcpu64.m32
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| 14:37 | <alkisg> That was on debian 2 years ago?
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| 14:37 | Wow... we got it on maverick on ubuntu :)
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| 14:37 | <vagrantc> it releases too often to keep up with debian :)
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| 14:38 | alkisg: alkisg hdt.c32 is really useful, at least for all the computer refurbishing work we do at freegeek
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> Btw the last 10 "serious" bugs I had to work around for the greek school installations, were ubuntu-specific, didn't exist on debian...
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| 14:39 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's a simple hardware summary interface
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| 14:39 | <Roasted_> im out of here guys
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| 14:39 | thanks SO much for the help
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| 14:39 | mucho thanks
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| 14:39 | beer for all when you visit PA USA :P
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> bb Roasted_
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| 14:39 | <vagrantc> Roasted_: we try ... just remember, we're volunteers too :)
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| 14:39 | <Roasted_> appreciate your persistence with helping
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| 14:39 | <Roasted_> I'm in need of a nap badly tho
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| 14:39 | so, I'll cyas
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| 14:39 | :)
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| 14:39 | * vagrantc waves | |
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| 16:01 | <john_s> Hi all, I am having a weird issue with ssh connections not working properly between TC and server
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| 16:02 | my TC boots fine but won't let me login unless I do ALTF2 and start an SSH session to the server
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| 16:03 | once I appept the servers SSH key, then I can log on via ldm
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| 16:03 | So something isn't starting automagically AFAIKT
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| 16:12 | hmm
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| 16:12 | sure is quiet round here
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| 16:14 | ...
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> patience
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| 16:16 | john_s: sounds like you've changed the server's ip address
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| 16:16 | john_s: you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys, and depending on your distribution, maybe ltsp-update-image
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| 16:16 | <john_s> :-)
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| 16:17 | it is tough to be patient. Thanks vagrantc
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> which distro?
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| 16:17 | <john_s> I have done ltsp-update-sshkeys to no avail
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| 16:17 | ubuntu lucid
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> then you also need to run ltsp-update-image, and reboot your thin client
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| 16:17 | <john_s> thanks very much. I'll do it now.
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| 16:18 | <vagrantc> good luck
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| 16:19 | <john_s> thanks
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| 16:22 | vagrantc if you are still around I have another couple of questions
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| 16:28 | <vagrantc> !question
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| 16:28 | <john_s> :-(
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| 16:28 | <vagrantc> aw, our bot is gone
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| 16:28 | <john_s> who dat?
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| 16:29 | <vagrantc> john_s: if you have a question, go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if and when they can...
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| 16:29 | <john_s> sure
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| 16:29 | <vagrantc> be sure to tell your distro and version
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| 16:30 | we usually have a bot in here so i don't have to type that all by hand :)
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| 16:30 | <john_s> okay ubuntu 10.04, problem with TC's not initiiating ssh persists
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| 16:30 | interesting I know very little about IRC things as you can tell
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| 16:31 | <vagrantc> hmmm... that's odd.
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| 16:31 | <john_s> background is I created this server by tarring up directories from a working ubuntu 10.04 LTSP server and splatting them over a fresh install
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| 16:32 | I am looking for a short cut to deploying more servers
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| 16:32 | <vagrantc> oh, that sounds like a recipe for disaster :P
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| 16:32 | <john_s> in the past I built them by hand or with scripts
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| 16:32 | I agree with you.
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| 16:32 | I've been told that it works, but so far I have had shed many LTSP tears
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| 16:33 | <vagrantc> john_s: oh, you mean tarring up /opt/ltsp/ ?
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| 16:33 | or the whole system?
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| 16:34 | <john_s> vagrantc: I tarred the whole system with the exception of /dev /sys /boot /tmp
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| 16:34 | and a couple of others
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| 16:34 | <vagrantc> that sounds like a time-consuming shortcut
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| 16:35 | <john_s> very much so, however I am trying to set up a system that would be easier in the long run to build
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| 16:36 | <vagrantc> apart from the fact that you may end up with files your package management system is unaware of ... i'm not quite sure how it would break the LTSP key generation bits...
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| 16:36 | <john_s> usually a build by "hand" takes me a half a day of tweaking this and that
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| 16:36 | <vagrantc> john_s: have you made edits to lts.conf?
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| 16:36 | <john_s> vagrantc: I have changed it to reflect my new set up.
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| 16:36 | <vagrantc> john_s: or is it a default LTSP install
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| 16:36 | ?
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| 16:39 | <john_s> vagrantc: lts.conf specifies my local apps and syslog server, time server etc
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| 16:40 | but is essentially the same as the one that is working on the server that was cloaned
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| 16:40 | <vagrantc> john_s: did you specify SERVER ?
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| 16:41 | john_s: could you paste your lts.conf to ltsp.pastebin.com and post the URL?
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| 16:42 | <john_s> http://pastebin.com/gvF7Wv1N
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| 16:43 | whoops
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| 16:43 | ignore those numbers
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| 16:43 | they don't appear in the original
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| 16:44 | <vagrantc> that's pastebin
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| 16:44 | oh, no ... something funny happened :)
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| 16:45 | ok, nothing odd in there
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| 16:45 | <john_s> yes, it's like an ssh connection isn't automatically being made. If I do F2 and start one to the server and accept the key then the TC is happy
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| 16:46 | <vagrantc> john_s: what's in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
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| 16:46 | should be a line for each ip address and hostname
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| 16:47 | <john_s> 4 entries all for the server
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> one for each ip address?
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| 16:49 | <john_s> actually there are six entries
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| 16:49 | there is an rsa and dsa entry by ip and by hostname
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| 16:50 | then one rsa and dsa for "server"
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| 16:50 | <vagrantc> to be expected
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| 16:51 | so that sounds right
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| 16:51 | and do the keys match /etc/ssh/ssh_*host*.pub ?
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| 16:51 | do you have anything in /etc/ltsp/known_hosts.*
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| 16:52 | and the other question that occurs to me is do you have another LTSP server on the same network ... and are the clients actually booting from that?
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| 16:53 | <john_s> checking...
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| 16:56 | vagrantc: per ssh_*host*.pub question keys match except that the hostname is only appended to the end of /etc/ssh/keys*
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| 16:56 | so in the chroot the key ends Z12YyBz/doKhw==
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| 16:57 | and in /etc/ssh it ends Z12YyBz/doKhw== root@mcbuntu-lucid
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| 16:58 | I don't have /etc/ltsp/known_hosts
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| 16:59 | clients are booting from the server that i am having trouble with
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> john_s: the stuff at the end of the key is essentially a comment
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| 17:00 | <john_s> ok. my other servers don't have a file called /etc/lts/known_hosts either
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| 17:00 | so I think that must be ok
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| 17:02 | vagrantc: do you have a way of setting up a server with a bunch of changes, tweaks etc that is pretty fast? As I said, I've been building them
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| 17:02 | and then running some install scripts etc, but it still takes half a day to get stuff working correctly
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| 17:03 | I don't really know how other folks manage muliple servers with different configs etc
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| 17:06 | when I look at the log messages on the TC is see that ldm.log says "expect saw: The autheticity of host '10.114.6.222 (10.114.6.222) can't be established
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| 17:06 | then it gives me an RSA finger print
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| 17:06 | so I must not have the key cached in the chroot right?
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| 17:07 | <vagrantc> john_s: i do a lot with debian-installer and debconf preseeding ... the ubuntu alternate installer would work the same way
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| 17:07 | john_s: you've rebooted the client after running ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image ?
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| 17:07 | <john_s> yes I did
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| 17:08 | so maybe my write permissions are goofed/
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| 17:08 | ?
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| 17:08 | <vagrantc> john_s: and is that an IP address in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts?
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| 17:08 | <john_s> vagrantc: that ip is in know hosts
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> john_s: when you ssh from a console, what does ~/.ssh/known_hosts add?
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| 17:10 | compare that with /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
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| 17:13 | <john_s> vagrantc: on which device am I looking for /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts ?
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| 17:13 | sorry
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| 17:14 | <vagrantc> well, if you looking from the perspective of the server, /opt/ltsp/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
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| 17:14 | if you're looking from the perspective of the thin client, /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
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| 17:14 | they should be the same ... if they're different, something's amiss
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| 17:15 | er, /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ .../
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| 17:15 | i keep forgetting the i386 today
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| 17:16 | <john_s> ah ha!
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| 17:17 | from the tc perspective /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts contains stale ssh entries for the old ip
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| 17:17 | do does that mean that I am either too stupid to correctly run ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 17:17 | or does it mean something else?
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| 17:18 | shouldn't ltsp-update-sshkeys update that entr?
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| 17:18 | err.. entry
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| 17:19 | <vagrantc> yes, it should
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| 17:19 | ltsp-update-image didn't take, for some reason
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| 17:20 | ls -l /opt/ltsp/images
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| 17:20 | <Roasted> hm, fired up my laptop here (test server with ltsp) to do some work at home and my desktop isnt booting to it. I get the ubuntu splash screen after the initial pxe boot but iltimately I get initramfs - unable to connect to nbd server. All of the google sources I looked at said to do a build-image, but I did that. Is that normally the fix or is there so mething Im missing?
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| 17:20 | <vagrantc> Roasted: that doesn't sound likely to fix initramfs problems
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| 17:21 | <Roasted> it sits at the ubuntu screen for a long, long time, and errors out to the nbd error
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| 17:21 | and below is initramfs
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| 17:21 | <john_s> vagrantc: I am afraid you are going to kick me
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| 17:21 | <Roasted> its REQUIRED to reboot the server after build-image, right
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| 17:21 | <vagrantc> john_s: i don't do kicks, only throws
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| 17:21 | Roasted: no
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| 17:21 | <Roasted> oh
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| 17:21 | <vagrantc> Roasted: the thin client
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| 17:21 | <john_s> aikido?
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| 17:22 | <Roasted> I did a build-image then update-image on my server
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> john_s: yes :)
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| 17:22 | <Roasted> and rebooted the thin client
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| 17:22 | and yet no dice
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| 17:22 | <john_s> how did I guess
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| 17:22 | :-)
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> speaking of which, i'd best go soo
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| 17:22 | n
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| 17:23 | <john_s> vagrantc: thanks you very much for your help. I realized that I didn't append --arch="i386" to my client rebuild
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| 17:23 | <Roasted> vagrantc, is that an error you ran into before??
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| 17:24 | <john_s> vagrantc: gomen nasai!
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> Roasted: i've heard it, but don't use NBD much (debian defaults to using NFS)
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| 17:26 | john_s: the i386/amd64 thing is all sorts of confusing...
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| 17:26 | <john_s> vagrantc:works now!
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> john_s: glad to hear it!
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| 17:27 | <john_s> vagrantc: I agree, I like it for memory support. I used to use big-mem kernal.
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| 17:27 | vagrantc: thanks again, enjoy your class!
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| 17:35 | <Roasted> hm
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| 17:35 | I know I had something haywire go on with this install
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| 17:35 | I wonder if I borked something earlier on
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| 17:36 | reinstalling might (sadly) be the easiest thing as this was my experimental system earlier when I had absolutely *NO* idea what I was doing
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| 17:46 | what would be the remedy to this problem... if someone were to choose wlan as the LTSP interface instead of eth0 during initial installation?
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| 19:37 | <Roasted> wow
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| 19:37 | fresh install here and I still get the nbd error
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| 19:37 | ..?
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| 19:44 | cancel that. other systems dont exhibit the same issue. weird.
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| 19:51 | <Roasted> wow
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| 19:51 | what a strange fix
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| 19:51 | unplugged the tower, held down the power button + pressed it about 8 times, plugged in, pxe booted, now it works
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| 19:51 | so strange
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| 20:25 | Has anybody tinkered with the "thin client manager" in the software center? It seems to be great but I'm looking for a way to SEE the user's screens.
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