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04:33 | <asmok> hello, can't access to web admin
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04:33 | <asmok> when using ltsp-cluster in 64 server
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04:33 | <elias_a> asmok: Do you mean webmin?
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04:34 | <asmok> can't add %loadbalacer%, but i can login in tc from console F1
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04:34 | <asmok> elias_a: no, ltsp-cluster-control/Admin
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04:35 | elias_a: see this mail: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2009-October/003142.html
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04:35 | <elias_a> Oh - that one.
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04:36 | asmok: One more bug hunted? :D
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04:36 | <asmok> this s first time i run this kind of problem, but this in now first time 64 server as a root, control and balancer server
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04:36 | elias_a: yes, indeed
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04:37 | elias_a: but i think there is nothing i can do, becuase TC boot all the way to the application server, LDM is missing, because i can't tell it to the root server by web admin
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04:39 | elias_a: btw i will do my howto for 64 environment, just chroot is of course i386
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04:40 | elias_a: i have my howto already, but i like know is this me, or real bug
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04:41 | <elias_a> I have no chance of replicating the bug this week, nor weekend.
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04:41 | Actually I have not got a 64 bit computer for that either...
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04:42 | <asmok> elias_a: yes, i wait for wise guys to show up...
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04:45 | elias_a: my friend is professional photographer, he upgrade his gears, so i buy his old one - Mac G5/Double processor/6G + Apple Cinema 20" - I put DEbian inside and then I have real server for fun...
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05:06 | <asmok> bye
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05:45 | <CTShadow> is there a way to send graphical messages to all logged in users?
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05:46 | with graphical messages i mean i.e. popup windows
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05:47 | <Kicer86> what kind of graphical interface do you use ?
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05:47 | kde?
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05:47 | <CTShadow> gnome
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05:47 | <alkisg_work> italc can do that
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05:48 | <CTShadow> alkisg_work: i have tried italc, but it somehow can't connect to the desktops
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05:49 | <alkisg_work> Distro/version?
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05:51 | <CTShadow> ubuntu 8.04, ltsp-server version 5.0.40, italc-master version 1:1.0.7-0ubuntu2
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05:53 | <asmok> alkisg_work: any idea about this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2009-October/003142.html
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05:53 | <alkisg_work> CTShadow: you may want to upgrade to a newer italc version from the edubuntu italc ppa
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05:54 | asmok, I've never even seen ltsp cluster... should I go on and read that? :
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05:54 | :)
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05:54 | CTShadow: how did you install italc?
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05:55 | CTShadow: https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-italc-devel/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=
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05:55 | <asmok> alkisg_work: this is my fourth test installation, three others were i386, this is first amd64 - something wrong with cookies from server side?
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05:55 | alkisg_work: read all thread what i posted
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05:56 | <alkisg_work> asmok: I've never seen ltsp cluster, I've never seen web admin... I have to way to know what could be wrong
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05:56 | **NO way ...
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05:58 | <asmok> alkisg_work: TC boot and i can login via ssh in chroot, but there is no LDM, because i can't use web admin - there is no other way to tell 'LDM_SERVER = %LOADBALANCER%' !?
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05:58 | <alkisg_work> asmok: how else can I say this? I DONT KNOW
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05:59 | <asmok> alkisg_work: ok
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05:59 | <alkisg_work> I've never used web admin. I've never even seen it
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06:00 | <asmok> alkisg_work: so this yet another bug in amd64 server, i386 server works, even in KVM server - stephane knows, i wait for him
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06:00 | <alkisg_work> I wouldn't know. Bye all.
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06:12 | <asmok> bye
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06:36 | <CTShadow> alkisg: i upgraded to a newer version and now it works. thanks for you help
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06:36 | <alkisg> You're welcome :)
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08:36 | <alkisg> (non-ltsp related): I'm looking for a utility to bypass NAT connections, like ssh -R, but one that doesn't involve user accounts. E.g. I may be able to do this with netcat.
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08:36 | Clients A and B are behind NATs. Server S has a public IP. I got root access on all of them. I want to be able to map e.g. the vnc port 5900 of client A to port 12345 of the server, so that B can connect to it. Any utilities for that? (I guess I need two utilities, one for the server and one for client A).
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09:09 | <nubae|work> alkisg, take a look at using a STUN server or ICE, they are pretty good methods of bypassing NAT
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09:10 | <alkisg> Can STUN be used to e.g. connect to an ssh server behing nat?
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09:11 | Or is it only used with specific software?
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09:11 | (I'm basically looking for both ssh and italc==vnc)
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09:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning all
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09:13 | <alkisg> !u
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09:13 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Error: "u" is not a valid command.
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09:13 | <alkisg> !U
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09:13 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Error: "U" is not a valid command.
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09:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> !_
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09:13 | <ltspbot> _UsUrPeR_: "_" is (#1) Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, or (#2) Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, or (#3) Q-FUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, or (#4) jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, or (#5) o is for ogra!!!!!!!!!, or (#6) rjune, rjune, go, go, rjune!, or (#7) Awesome Ahmuck
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09:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> ?
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09:13 | :D
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09:13 | <alkisg> Heh!!! ;)
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09:13 | You didn't make it to the hall of fame yet... :)
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09:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> guess not. Soon enough.
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09:14 | I think I have to make it to a BTS before people will acknowledge I exist
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09:16 | <alkisg> nubae|work: also, I think you said something about telepathy and vnc? Can that assist me when both user A and user B are behind nats?
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09:17 | <_UsUrPeR_> Does anybody know the process of adding or removing session managers in the ubuntu thinclient LDM?
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09:28 | <nubae|work> alkisg, yep, telepathy bypasses NAT by using STUN
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09:29 | not sure how stun works in a general sense, but with telepathy, its a parameter that is given to the connection manager
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09:29 | <alkisg> nubae|work: and I assume that I can have my own STUN server (which does have a public IP, of course)?
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09:30 | <nubae|work> usually STUN servers are public, and what they do is parse udp packets that tell the clients what ports to use
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09:30 | I'd guess so, yeah, though it might not even be needed
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09:30 | <alkisg> Sounds nice...
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09:30 | <nubae|work> one can use vinagre and vino to to video streaming via telepathy
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09:30 | that should actually bypass NAT
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09:31 | there was a nice article about this, let me see if I can dig it up... Nokia is behind this...
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09:31 | gtalk also uses stun
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09:32 | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/manuals/3-x/howto_use_stun_bora/
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09:32 | <alkisg> So there aren't any existing tools for vnc through stun, I'd have to patch up something, right?
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09:32 | Thanks nubae|work :)
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09:33 | <nubae|work> theres code there too, but its all C, so pretty chineese to me :-)
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09:33 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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09:33 | <nubae|work> well, I do remember it being mentioned that vnc can do nat traversal somehow, but can't remember exactly where
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09:34 | <alkisg> "The technique is bound to UDP features, so STUN can not be used for e.g. TCP connections. "
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09:34 | <nubae|work> yeah, thats where ICE and TURN come in
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09:34 | read on :-)
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09:34 | * alkisg reads on :) | |
09:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> !j
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09:35 | <ltspbot> _UsUrPeR_: "j" is jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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09:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> boom! got it
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09:36 | <nubae|work> u might want to look at libjingle too
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09:36 | its the connection manager telepathy uses for video/audio streaming
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09:36 | * alkisg has just found out that he wants to setup a "TURN" server :P | |
09:36 | <nubae|work> :-)
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09:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> one more time: does anybody know where I change/remove the "profile" button in the lower-left corner of the LDM in 9.04?
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09:53 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: Don't think there's any switch to do it, you'd need to disable it in the source code.
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09:53 | !flash
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09:53 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "flash" is Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try the HQtube plugin. Install greasemonkey for firefox, and see http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24999
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09:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: flash works great with localapps :D
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09:55 | * alkisg waits for an html5 plugin for youtube :) | |
09:56 | <alkisg> ...directly playable by mozilla ;)
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09:57 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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09:57 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hi all
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09:57 | <jammcq> hey CAN-o-SPAM
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10:03 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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11:34 | <PMantis> Hi guys, I'm trying to diagnose an LTSP5 issue, and I'm not as familiar with 5 as I am 4.2
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11:34 | <PMantis> Have a client that boots to not syncing, kernel panic, and sometimes to (initramfs) prompt
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11:34 | <PMantis> I think it's an ndb issue, but other clients boot OK
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11:37 | <alkisg> Error messages?
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11:43 | <PMantis> alkisg: Just kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init.
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11:43 | <alkisg> What do you see above that?
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11:43 | <PMantis> This is an Etherboot client.
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11:43 | <Gadi> PMantis: #1 cause is lack of proper network driver in the initrams
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11:43 | <PMantis> Gadi: That's odd. When I left the school last week, it was working.
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11:43 | <Gadi> ah, then thats not it
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11:43 | <PMantis> Gadi: I walk in today and they're complaining.
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11:44 | I forget, where to I turn off splash, quiet?
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11:44 | <Gadi> ah, yes - last guy with this problem resolved it by turning off splash
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11:44 | hmm...
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11:44 | is it a PXE etherboot image?
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11:45 | if so, you can edit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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11:45 | and remove "splash"
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11:45 | <PMantis> Hmmm
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11:45 | <Gadi> if it straight etherboot, you need to do the funny dhcpd.conf params
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11:46 | <PMantis> I have this commented, and using nbi.img instead.
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11:46 | # filename "/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz.etherboot";
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11:47 | trying...
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11:47 | <alkisg> PMantis: are you absolutely sure it won't boot if you force-send pxelinux.0 to it?
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11:47 | <PMantis> disabled splash quiet
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11:48 | <Pulga> i was reading wiki ubuntu, debug local dev because I want to mount my TC's local HD. I'm having problems fuse module isn't runing. what can I do?
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11:48 | <johnny> Pulga, but do usb keys work?
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11:49 | <Pulga> i want to mount my hard disk
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11:49 | <johnny> just asking..
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11:49 | <Pulga> usb is going well
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11:49 | <johnny> then local dev isn't what you need
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11:49 | read lts-parameters.txt.gz
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11:49 | <Pulga> yes
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11:49 | <johnny> you need a seperate parameter for local hard disk
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11:49 | <Pulga> where it is?
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11:50 | <PMantis> Oh, is loading nbi.img the best way to boot via etherboot?
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11:50 | <johnny> Pulga, use the locate command to find it..
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11:50 | <Pulga> i'm using ltsp 5
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11:50 | <Gadi> LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS = False
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11:50 | <Pulga> i'll see it now
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11:51 | <johnny> Gadi, how long is that parameter there?
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11:51 | hmm.. why is it true by default Gadi ?
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11:51 | <Gadi> its a big security hole
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11:51 | <PMantis> alkisg: "Not a valid image", since this NIX doesn't support PXE.
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11:51 | <johnny> is it?
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11:51 | <Gadi> gives you unfettered access to local hard drive
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11:51 | <alkisg> PMantis: ok, thanks for testing this
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11:52 | <johnny> Gadi, it's also called a feature for many..
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11:52 | like Pulga here
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11:52 | <Gadi> we like to err on the side of more secure
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11:52 | * alkisg doesn't see LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS in lts-parameters.txt ;) | |
11:52 | <Gadi> and let people loosen security as needed
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11:53 | its in ltspfs since 0.5.7
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11:53 | I think
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11:53 | <johnny> Gadi, then ubuntu should ship with more default options then .. commented out
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11:53 | <PMantis> Gadi: the pxelinux.cfg/default didnt' help... what's the DHCP way for etherboot non-splash?
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11:53 | * Gadi agrees whole-heartedly | |
11:53 | <Gadi> :_
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11:53 | :)
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11:54 | <johnny> an then see /path/to/parameters.txt for more
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11:54 | <alkisg> Gadi, is this with ltspfs, like the usb sticks? Cache flushing every 2 secs etc?
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11:54 | <johnny> blahblalblah
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11:55 | /me flushes alkisg
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11:55 | <alkisg> down the toilet? :P
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11:55 | <Gadi> PMantis: hmm... I need to jump start some synapses
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11:55 | alkisg: yes - for localdev
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11:56 | <johnny> Gadi, probably a good idea to ignore it for ide/sata devices
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11:57 | or perhaps just ide.. since sata can hotplug..
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11:58 | <Gadi> johnny: our LOCALDEV_DENY architecture is pretty flexible
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11:58 | the admin can modify as needed
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11:59 | <johnny> Gadi, i was referring to what alkisg said about the 2 second rule
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12:00 | <Gadi> ah
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12:03 | <Pulga> the parameter "LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS" is not written in lts-parameters.txt. other thing is that lts.conf says: **** THIS FILE SHOULD NO LONGER BE USED FROM HERE !!! ****. should I edit it?
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12:04 | <johnny> not that one Pulga you need one in the tftp dir
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12:04 | /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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12:04 | <Pulga> ok
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12:05 | put this parameter in /var/lib/.....??
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12:05 | LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS
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12:05 | <johnny> add [default] at the top of the file before it
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12:05 | [default]
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12:05 | LOCALDEV....
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12:09 | <Pulga> after doing this, i'll restart my TC and where its HD will be mounted??
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12:19 | <Pulga> hi
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12:19 | I reboot tc and local HD is already mounted in my desktop.... thanks a lot!!!
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12:22 | <PMantis> Gadi: There... swapped out the NIC for an Intel card - client works now.
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12:26 | Ugh, Nm... just booted it in the lab, brought it back to classroom, dead - video not working.
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12:27 | Time for diff thin client.
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12:27 | i gtg
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12:36 | * alkisg wonders why LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False mounted his NTFS partition as read only... | |
12:37 | <johnny> alkisg, because it is probably using the ntfs kernel module?
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12:37 | maybe?
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12:38 | <alkisg> hey, I'm a linux newbie, how would I know?
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12:38 | <johnny> alkisg, do you have the ntfs fuse driver?
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12:38 | * alkisg thinks that johnny is probably right :) | |
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12:38 | <johnny> i don't know how fuse to fuse works.. or if it does
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12:38 | * alkisg looks... | |
12:39 | <alkisg> alkisg@alkis:~$ LANG=en_US.UTF-8 sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l ntfs-3g
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12:39 | No packages found matching ntfs-3g.
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12:39 | I wonder what will happen if I install it..?
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12:40 | <johnny> that would explain your problem
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12:40 | or part of it
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