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Channel log from 24 July 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:23 | <vagrantc> ogra: hey!
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| 01:24 | * ogra waves from portland | |
| 01:24 | <vagrantc> ogra: you find a place to sleep?
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| 01:24 | <ogra> i got a sweet very "local flavoured" place at the "quality" inn :)
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| 01:25 | about 20 blocks away from eharrison
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| 01:25 | <vagrantc> heh. ok.
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| 01:25 | <ogra> i might be able to book that until monday (if they manage to fix my doorlock)
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| 01:25 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 01:26 | <ogra> great to be back again
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| 01:27 | i had a nice alascan lady next to me at the plane that tought my some history and told nice hiking stories about the three mountains :)
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| 01:27 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 01:27 | * vagrantc read that as alsacan | |
| 01:28 | <ogra> canned linux sound :)
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| 01:29 | well, the place i'm in is something others would likel call creepy ... but it really feels like home after a week in the airwashed hilton i think i can bear that place for some days
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| 01:29 | feels more alive actually
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| 01:30 | i dont know how much my daily taxi will be though ... but it shouldnt be more than 10 miles to freegeek and eric can pick me up
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| 01:31 | so i guess i'm all set :)
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| 01:41 | <vagrantc> busses aren't usually too bad, but i don't really know the west side
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| 01:42 | <ogra> well, eric will pick me up tomorrow at least
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| 01:43 | but first i need that dorr thing fixed *grin*
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| 01:43 | *door even
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| 01:43 | i havent had a non working lock yet, usually the cards are just broken
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| 01:44 | but here the battery seems to be gone or so
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| 01:48 | * vagrantc hopes gadi found his way alright | |
| 01:49 | <vagrantc> don't know if folks would like to meet up during the day ... i'll be working at freegeek 11-5, but it's fairly flexible with time..
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| 01:57 | <vagrantc> ogra: see ya tomorrow?
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| 01:57 | <ogra> yeah
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| 01:58 | sorry, busy catching up on mail, but i'm still here :)
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| 01:58 | <vagrantc> not a problem... i'm about to get some sleep.
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| 02:00 | <TNKLTSP> ogra
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| 02:01 | <ogra> hey
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| 02:01 | <TNKLTSP> did u read what i said couple of days ago about the fuse + AD domain user, I have infact resolved the case (kind of)
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| 02:01 | the problem is this:
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| 02:01 | sopsaare@tuki:~$ id
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| 02:01 | uid=363339454(sopsaare) gid=363332097(domain^users) groups=363332096(domain^admins),363332097(domain^users),363334246(primus^users),363334738(mikrotuki),363337601(tyoharjoittelijat),840465266
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| 02:02 | <ogra> uh, looks odd
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| 02:02 | <TNKLTSP> the ltspfs making the directory /media/%USER
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| 02:02 | doesnt recognice the gid=363332097(domain^users) as valid usergroup
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| 02:02 | while making the directori which shoul look likethis
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| 02:02 | <ogra> looks a bit high
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| 02:03 | i'm not really sure yu can use GIDs above 65535
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| 02:03 | <TNKLTSP> likewise-winbind does it pretty damn well
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| 02:04 | the whole system (apart ltspfs) recognices the GID:s
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| 02:04 | the group names can be used far specific files, folders, services, even sudo rights
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| 02:05 | <ogra> how does ltspfs break with that then ?
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| 02:05 | <TNKLTSP> it doesnt create the folder /media/%USER
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| 02:06 | and I have been thinking (can't test atmo becouse our AD is under heavy reconstruction) and the problem might even lie in the usergroup name
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| 02:06 | "Domain Users" which is built-in primary group for the domain users
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| 02:07 | <ogra> well, dont forget that the user needs fuse rights
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| 02:07 | <TNKLTSP> and which likewise-winbind tells me that it is named domain^users
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| 02:07 | fuse right have been solved (trought many different ways)
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| 02:08 | <TNKLTSP> But I'll file U a full scale article about Ubuntu LTSP envinroment as part of AD when I get my D back to track and the work done (most propably in a month)
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| 02:09 | because I'm pretty sure that there will be discussion about the AD + LTSP subject in near future
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| 02:10 | (the easiest way to test fuse rights is to just add the domain user to "fuse" group in /etc/group)
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| 02:11 | <Shawn_Powers> ogra: reading back, I assume you're at OSCON?
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| 02:12 | <ogra> Shawn_Powers, not exactly, i might drop by there in the public area for 1-2h tomorrow though ... but main objective for me being in portland is the ltsp hackfest
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| 02:12 | <Shawn_Powers> that's what I was going to ask about -- jammcq mentioned a few months back about the hackfest on Friday
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| 02:13 | I'm curious when, where, etc.
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| 02:13 | <ogra> freegeek
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| 02:13 | we'll start tomorrow
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| 02:13 | <Shawn_Powers> (I get to attend as both press, and a tech director)
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| 02:13 | ahh
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| 02:13 | where is freegeek?
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| 02:13 | * Shawn_Powers hopes near the convention center somewhere... | |
| 02:13 | <Shawn_Powers> There's like a tour there on Friday, no?
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| 02:13 | <ogra> other side of the river afaik
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| 02:14 | vagrant can give you directions
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| 02:14 | http://freegeek.org/map
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| 02:14 | <Shawn_Powers> awesome. I was hoping to get some video of freegeek to put up on linuxjournal.com
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| 02:14 | <ogra> heh, and me too actually
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| 02:14 | * ogra just found the url in his backlof | |
| 02:14 | <ogra> sZf/g/
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| 02:15 | feel free to drop by at any time :)
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| 02:15 | <Shawn_Powers> awesome -- I was just up at 10th street earlier today for a drupal gathering
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| 02:16 | oh, crap
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| 02:16 | SE 10th ave is differfent
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| 02:16 | ;)
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| 02:17 | <ogra> yeh, its not directly around the corner
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| 02:17 | <Shawn_Powers> is there an official start time, or just "all day thurs & fri"
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| 02:17 | <ogra> rther from thu to sun :)
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| 02:18 | <Shawn_Powers> ahh... sadly, my plane leaves Saturday
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| 02:18 | <ogra> most of the core devs stay over the weekend
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| 02:18 | <Shawn_Powers> but I'm far from a dev
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| 02:18 | ;)
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| 02:18 | <ogra> well, you want to meet the devs :)
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| 02:19 | <Shawn_Powers> Yes, I really really do
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| 02:19 | <ogra> we didnt make a starting time up for tomorrow
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| 02:19 | eric (who is my ride) just said he wont be up before 8 and i should cll him then
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| 02:19 | <Shawn_Powers> I've been an LTSP fanboi and user much (MUCH) longer than a Linux Journal editor
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| 02:19 | <Shawn_Powers> Eric Harrison?
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| 02:19 | <ogra> yep
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| 02:19 | <Shawn_Powers> He lives here, no?
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| 02:19 | <ogra> he does
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| 02:20 | about 20 blocks from my ho/motel
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| 02:20 | * ogra isnt really able to judge this place here | |
| 02:20 | <Shawn_Powers> sigh... linuxjournal put me up in the "swanky" DoubleTree
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| 02:20 | 10 dollar a day wifi
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| 02:20 | crappy connection
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| 02:20 | 180 bucks a night
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| 02:20 | WTF?
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| 02:20 | <ogra> well, i'm hooked up to *some* wifi that was open here :)
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| 02:21 | the room has a cat5 wallplug i didnt tyr yet
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| 02:21 | and the wifi likely doesnt belong to the hotsl
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| 02:21 | *hotel
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| 02:21 | <Shawn_Powers> yeah, unfortunately, I can *almost* get a signal from somewhere else
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| 02:22 | I almost wish they'd charge 190 a night, and "give" me wifi
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| 02:22 | <ogra> is the doubletree the one acrss the street from the convention center ?
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| 02:22 | <Shawn_Powers> No, it's the "official" hotel for the conference
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| 02:22 | <ogra> i thnk i stayed there last year
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| 02:22 | ah
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| 02:22 | <Shawn_Powers> but it's 2 trains stops away
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| 02:22 | the "Red Somethingorother" is closer
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| 02:22 | I wanna say Red Bull
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| 02:22 | but it's not
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| 02:22 | :)
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| 02:23 | *they* have free wifi
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| 02:23 | ;)
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| 02:23 | Ok -- I'm going to bed
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| 02:23 | if you're at the convention tomorrow, I'm wearing a bright red linux journal polo
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| 02:23 | feel free to introduce yourself
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| 02:24 | I have stickers... lol
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| 02:25 | <ogra> yeah
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| 02:26 | <ogra> §%%$&#*&
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| 02:26 | why doesnt gnome-power-manager warn me before shutting down my system ....
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| 02:26 | hrm
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| 02:27 | at least it propely suspended
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| 02:29 | <Shawn_Powers> I have Ubuntu on an HP-2133 that I reviewed -- and today at OSCON it decided that it didnt' want to sleep anymore. I thought my bag was going to catch on fire. Very strange.
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| 02:29 | and now I'm *really* going to bed
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| 02:29 | ;)
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| 02:29 | <ogra> yeah, me too, i'll crash in front of the tv for a bit more though
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| 05:56 | <generalsnus> Hey guys, at our school we have previously used "skolelinux" for our thinclient servers.: 3 ltsp servers and 1 ldap server with users /home folders. now i wish to replace the thinclient servers with a new distro, Xubuntu. but how do make it xubuntu authenticates and mount the /home folders from our ldap server?
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| 06:03 | <klausade> generalsnus: there is plenty of documentation on the net howto use *ubuntu machines together with skolelinux ldap-server. Maybe start with http://wiki.skolelinux.de/Skolelinux/Ubuntu and http://www.skolelinux.no/~klaus/sarge/a4765.html. Those should give you a startingpoint.
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| 08:09 | <jorgezero> anyone know how do i upgrade a pxe 2.01 to 2.1?
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| 08:42 | <jorgezero> anyone know how do i upgrade a pxe 2.01 to 2.1??
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| 09:06 | <jorgezero> anyone know how do i upgrade a pxe 2.0 to 2.1??
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| 09:08 | <giorgio> hi all
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| 09:08 | guys how i can disable the local sound on thinclients ?
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| 09:09 | i edit this file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 09:10 | and put this command
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| 09:10 | SOUND = False
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| 09:10 | but , the sound still on thinclients
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| 09:13 | <cyberorg> The_Code, you around
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| 09:13 | <The_Code> cyberorg, yes
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| 09:14 | <cyberorg> The_Code, i saw couple of huge commits from you, tell us about it :)
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| 09:15 | btw, welcome to Easy-LTSP GUI GSOC weekly meeting :)
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| 09:15 | <The_Code> i made some changes to the gui
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| 09:15 | i removed the checkboxes for localdev and sound and made them tasks
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| 09:16 | the way tasks are selected changed, the combobox has gone and it is now done with a popupmenu which appears when you click and the add task button
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| 09:16 | next thing is that i added a remove task button, to let the user remove tasks he added
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| 09:16 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: any tarball for a quick test around?
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| 09:18 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, on my way
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| 09:18 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: thanks
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| 09:19 | <The_Code> next thing is parsing of lts.conf which is done with nini library
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| 09:19 | http://forgeftp.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/easy-ltsp-0.4.tar.gz
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| 09:19 | <The_Code> binaries are there
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| 09:20 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: thanks
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| 09:20 | <The_Code> deploying of lts.conf also working
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| 09:20 | user can choose to parse or deploy the lts.conf from easy-ltsp.conf or choose a target and source
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| 09:21 | and that's it for now, i am currently creating the possibility to add clients to the section
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| 09:22 | ah, and the tasks in the popup have tooltips
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| 09:22 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: so 0.4 would be the first version which has the base functionality ?
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| 09:23 | of creating/deploying lts.conf ?
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| 09:23 | <The_Code> when i have finsihed the add client possibility, i would say so
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| 09:24 | <cyberorg> The_Code, i am impressed :)
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| 09:24 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: ok - what about the parsing of an existing lts.conf ?
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| 09:24 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, as i said done using nini
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| 09:24 | <kl_eisbaer> Two questions about your tarball:
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| 09:25 | whats Nini.dll ?
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| 09:25 | and where is easy-lts.conf =
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| 09:25 | ?
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| 09:25 | <The_Code> Nini.dll is a .net ini parsing lib, which is used for parsing lts.conf
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| 09:25 | <kl_eisbaer> ah, ok
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| 09:26 | <The_Code> easy-ltsp.conf is missing cause it is in /etc/easy-ltsp/
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| 09:26 | <cyberorg> The_Code, we need to work out terminology for "Parse" and "Deploy" ogra's mom wont know what they mean
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| 09:26 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: ok - just want to be shure I didn't miss it :-)
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| 09:27 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, the problem is that this location needs to be hardcoded
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| 09:27 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: yes, I know
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| 09:27 | <The_Code> cyberorg, yes, maybe read and create
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| 09:28 | <cyberorg> just "Open", "Save" and "Save As" under lts.conf menu
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| 09:28 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: please "tag" your splitted versions in SVN
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| 09:28 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, yes
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| 09:29 | <cyberorg> hi ogra :)
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| 09:29 | <The_Code> cyberorg, only one open?
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| 09:29 | <kl_eisbaer> I hope, I can build the source "from scratch" in a few days. So the prebuild binaries shouldn't be necessary any more
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| 09:29 | <cyberorg> ogra, new version: http://forgeftp.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/easy-ltsp-0.4.tar.gz
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| 09:29 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: but please keep a copy of easy-ltsp.conf in your working directory
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| 09:30 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, my makefile is getting in shape
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| 09:30 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: ok, thanks
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| 09:30 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, sure
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| 09:30 | for deploying i agree with save and save as
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| 09:31 | but for the parsing, either the user wants to use the defined or a different one how to tell him this
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| 09:33 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: what about using the "Open" menu entry for this?
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| 09:33 | The_Code: you can/should open the file browser and let the user choose his version :_)
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| 09:33 | <The_Code> so only one way to read a lts.conf file, using a file browser?
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| 09:34 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: IMO: yes. You can point the user to "your" default one, but in the end the user should decide....
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| 09:34 | <The_Code> this can be a good way
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| 09:34 | <kl_eisbaer> ...just think about the differnt locations of this file in the different distribution
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| 09:35 | /srv/ltsp/.... vs /opt/ltsp/....
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| 09:35 | ...and please save the "last choosen" lts.conf in your own config - and ask the user if he wants to overwrite it when he saves or exits
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| 09:36 | <The_Code> therefor it is specified in easy-ltsp.conf
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| 09:36 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: yes
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| 09:36 | <The_Code> yes i will ask him! i am also working on the hash comparison
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| 09:37 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: can you add a "warning" message in the "lts.conf" tab if the user hasn't saved his changes ?
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| 09:38 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, you mean not saved to the file
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| 09:38 | <kl_eisbaer> Otherwise it's a bit confusing that the lts.conf still shows "[section 0]" if you've entered a name for it (but not saved)
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| 09:38 | <cyberorg> kl_eisbaer, would you post details about Easy-LTSP packages in Edu ML and any other place too? we now need people filing bugs :)
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| 09:39 | <kl_eisbaer> cyberorg: you've also welcome to post to this list :-)
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| 09:40 | <cyberorg> kl_eisbaer, people will kick me for cross posting on so many ML ::P
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| 09:40 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, right, either this or just make a automatic save when user changes
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| 09:40 | <kl_eisbaer> cyberorg: perhaps we can start writing the help files and HowTos as soon as Jan says his GUI is "frozen"
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| 09:40 | <cyberorg> kl_eisbaer, yes
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| 09:40 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: I would say a warning is enough - or display the resulting lts.conf just on demand
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| 09:41 | <cyberorg> The_Code, keyboard and language task is missing
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| 09:41 | <kl_eisbaer> otherwise you've to wait for the filesystem (or other stupid things) if you save on every change
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| 09:41 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, i save to my datastructure first (no filesystem)
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| 09:41 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: yes, this should be enough as your application is rock solid :-)
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| 09:42 | <The_Code> and lts.conf is always recreated when user switches to the tab
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| 09:42 | cyberorg, language?
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| 09:42 | keyboard right this has to be done
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| 09:42 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: might be - but my first test (starting with an empty lts.conf) shows a differnt behavior
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| 09:43 | The_Code: and I'm not shure if it's enough to show just the "task names" in the first Tab (Section)
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| 09:43 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, what happens
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| 09:44 | <kl_eisbaer> Now I have "Tasks" -> "XServer" without any other information in this tab
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| 09:44 | Just when I enter the "Advanced" Tab, the thinks look clearer to me
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| 09:44 | <The_Code> which indicates you have added the xserver task
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| 09:44 | <kl_eisbaer> but this is currently just a small layout thing
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| 09:44 | :D
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| 09:45 | <The_Code> in advanced you see the variables and their values
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| 09:45 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: Yes....
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| 09:45 | The_Code: but can you made this "list" a bit more clearer for me and my mom ? :-)
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| 09:45 | Perhaps by adding a checkbox
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| 09:46 | <The_Code> a checkbox? for what?
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| 09:46 | <kl_eisbaer> for the Tasks in the main Section window
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| 09:46 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, what should it do
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| 09:46 | <kl_eisbaer> I would expect that I have to click on the Task first and afterwards on the "Remove task" button to remove it (or more) for example
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| 09:47 | <kl_eisbaer> So just a checkbox behind or bevore each task which can be selected for removal
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| 09:47 | <The_Code> ok, yes better way user can remove more then one task
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| 09:48 | <kl_eisbaer> jip
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| 09:48 | I'm also not shure if the "Advanced" button and the "Advanced tab" should stay as they're now
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| 09:48 | as both do the same, perhaps one can be dropped?
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| 09:49 | <The_Code> advanced button is not needed anymore
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| 09:49 | <kl_eisbaer> ok - so please remove it
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| 09:49 | <bobbymac> hi
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| 09:49 | <The_Code> advanced button is there because in first version there were only two tabs, and tabs were only shown when clicked on advanced button
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| 09:49 | yes will remove it
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| 09:49 | <kl_eisbaer> And can you add a headline over the left textfield (with the sections)?
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| 09:50 | bobbymac: hi
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| 09:50 | The_Code: just name it "Sections" or something like that - just to give things a name for reference in the docu
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| 09:50 | <The_Code> yes, i will add column title (it's a treeview)
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| 09:51 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: thanks
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| 09:51 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: ähem: and a "you're shure that you want to remove Section xy?" dialog please ... :-)
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| 09:52 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, ok
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| 09:52 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: BTW: I'm reproducing the "[Section 0]" error with an empty lts.conf right now
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| 09:53 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, what error what is happening
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| 09:53 | <kl_eisbaer> what about exchanging the "Advanced" button with a "Preview lts.conf" button ?
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| 09:53 | <bobbymac> I recently setup an Hardy LTSP server with amd64 OS and figured out how to build a client with the --arch i386 and --kiosk options. Now I need to customize the thin client setups. For instance, I need to change the home page in firefox and I need to chage the color scheme to match our university colors. Help?
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| 09:53 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: create a new lts.conf
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| 09:53 | add Name and comment in the new section
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| 09:53 | visit lts.conf tab
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| 09:54 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, yes it is not saved in the datatructure when you haven't clicked on save button
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| 09:54 | but i am working on the autosave stuff
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| 09:55 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: so what about hiding the lts.conf tab and display a popup window instead if the user clicks on a "preview" button ?
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| 09:55 | <The_Code> would be no problem for me, when we want to have another window
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| 09:56 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: I'm fine with this as it's a -- non editable -- Preview of the final result
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| 09:56 | (perhaps some users just want to copy and paste)
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| 09:57 | <The_Code> ok, but i will make it a modal dialog, because it can only change when user clicks the button
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| 09:57 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: ok
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| 09:59 | <masus> hi all, does anyone know which ports or protocol is used by ltsp ?
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| 09:59 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: BTW: can you add a Wheel-Mouse, too?
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| 09:59 | masus: dhcp, tftp, nfs ?
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| 09:59 | <cyberorg> The_Code, LDM_LANGUAGE
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| 09:59 | <The_Code> ssh
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| 10:00 | <masus> kl_eisbaer: how do they connect to the server "which port or protocol"
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| 10:00 | <kl_eisbaer> should be "X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 5" "X_ZAxisMapping = 4 5 "
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| 10:00 | <The_Code> cyberorg, values are the normal ones like en_us
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| 10:01 | <kl_eisbaer> masus: first => dhcp to get an ip adress, afterwards downloading via PXE
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| 10:01 | which is normally via TFTP
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| 10:01 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, ok will add it
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| 10:01 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: rest as the 3 button mouse
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| 10:01 | <masus> kl_eisbaer: , i'll do a iptables bandwidth monitor for the ltsp clients but if i use the ip range the ltsp client are slowing down , so i'll add the protocol or port to the iptables role
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| 10:01 | <kl_eisbaer> ups
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| 10:01 | The_Code: adding two mices into one section crashes ?
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| 10:02 | <cyberorg> The_Code, not sure, this was added to ldm recently
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| 10:02 | <kl_eisbaer> masus: depending on your settings, perhaps you've to open other ports like the one for the X-Server
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| 10:02 | <cyberorg> it is in ldm-trunk/src/greeter_iface.c
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| 10:03 | <masus> hmm yes thats it x-server ports
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| 10:03 | <kl_eisbaer> masus: and ports 20 and 21 (for tFTP)
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| 10:03 | <The_Code> cyberorg, will have a look
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| 10:03 | kl_eisbaer, do you want to have two mice?
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| 10:04 | or what do you mean with crashes
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| 10:04 | <kl_eisbaer> Ah, no. Sorry. I'm just playing around a bit....
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| 10:04 | <The_Code> cause i can add as many as i want, but values are overwritten
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| 10:04 | <masus> kl_eisbaer: i'll try one mom
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| 10:04 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: leads me to the question what to do if a user want to "add" an existing task again... :-)
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| 10:05 | The_Code: it should at least be possible to define two or more printers
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| 10:06 | ah, works.
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| 10:06 | ok: you win ! :-)
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| 10:06 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, every task (except for printer) can be added once, if added more times the values are overwritten
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| 10:06 | in printer task you can define printer number and if this is not the same as for the first printer another one is added
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| 10:06 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: hmmm. I'm not shure if this is the right way for all current tasks
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| 10:06 | => should be discussed in the mailinglist IMO
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| 10:07 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, but if you use a variable more then once, what happens
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| 10:07 | <cyberorg> may be we offer "The task already added > Overwrite? Add one more?
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| 10:07 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: yes - but silently overwriting the old value is not good
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| 10:07 | yes
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| 10:08 | And as far as I know, starting more then one X-Server on the client is possible for example
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| 10:08 | <The_Code> ok, if it exists i will ask the user if he wants to overwrite it
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| 10:08 | <kl_eisbaer> even to have more than one mouse (but thats only tested on my workstation ;-)
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| 10:08 | <cyberorg> kl_eisbaer, we may soon have MPX
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| 10:08 | <The_Code> but is it possible to use the XSERVER variable more then once
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| 10:09 | <kl_eisbaer> I have to look at my old config again....
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| 10:09 | I remember that there was an "init" variable containing for example xterm => 0; X11 => 1
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| 10:09 | <The_Code> ogra, cyberorg , is it possible to use a variable more then once?
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| 10:09 | <cyberorg> The_Code, also line up all the added tasks on left when you add checkboxes next to them for removing
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| 10:10 | <bobbymac> anbody: I recently setup an Hardy LTSP server with amd64 OS and figured out how to build a client with the --arch i386 and --kiosk options. Now I need to customize the thin client setups. For instance, I need to change the home page in firefox and I need to chage the color scheme to match our university colors. Help?
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| 10:10 | <cyberorg> kl_eisbaer, i dont think getltscfg can parse two values of same variable
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| 10:10 | <The_Code> cyberorg, the checkbox does this automatically, only labels are diplayed centered when not defined in a different way
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| 10:11 | <cyberorg> it needs to be like MOUSE_0, MOUSE_1 etc
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| 10:11 | <The_Code> just like printer and x_mode
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| 10:11 | <kl_eisbaer> bobbymac: as firefox stores the configs for each user in his home directory, you can define something in the default path ($FIREFOXLIBDIR/defaults/preferences/*.js) but this would be overwritten by the user settings
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| 10:12 | <cyberorg> i dont think that kind of thing is implemented for all variables
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| 10:13 | <kl_eisbaer> Looks like we have a "TODO" for the next meeting: clarify, if a setting (for mouse for example) can be used mutliple times in a section
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| 10:13 | <bobbymac> kl_eisbaer: but as this my clients are running in kiosk mode there is only one user. (I think) ?
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| 10:13 | <cyberorg> The_Code, just ask on ltsp-discuss ML
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| 10:13 | <kl_eisbaer> bobbymac: depends on your config - but it should be, yes
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| 10:13 | <The_Code> i will ask the ml
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| 10:14 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: ah....
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| 10:14 | The_Code: SCREEN_01 = startx
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| 10:14 | SCREEN_02 = shell
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| 10:14 | That's what I remind....
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| 10:15 | <cyberorg> kl_eisbaer, i have improved kiwi-ltsp a lot since last week, i'll update it later today, i'll killed all the bugs in our devzilla
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| 10:15 | *i have killed
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| 10:15 | <bobbymac> kl_eisbaer: Here is the catch. I have no Kiosk user defined thus no home directory!
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| 10:15 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, yes this works
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| 10:15 | <kl_eisbaer> cyberorg: devzilla?
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| 10:15 | <cyberorg> http://devzilla.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/
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| 10:16 | <bobbymac> kl_eisbaer: Which I suppose begs the question: How the heck are my kisok terminals logging in?
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| 10:16 | <cyberorg> that is where kiwi-ltsp bugs go to die
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| 10:16 | <kl_eisbaer> cyberorg: ah. missed that link on http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Easy-LTSP
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| 10:16 | bobbymac: :D
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| 10:17 | bobbymac: who the f***k is root ?
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| 10:17 | * cyberorg kicks kl_eisbaer | |
| 10:18 | * kl_eisbaer says autsch :-) | |
| 10:18 | <kl_eisbaer> cyberorg: can you add the devzilla link to the Easy-LTSP pages, please?
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| 10:19 | * The_Code thinks Easy-LTSP has to have at least one component in order for you to enter a bug into it | |
| 10:19 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: ah - 23 bugs isn't to hard to read at the moment
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| 10:19 | <cyberorg> so i believe kiwi-ltsp is feature and performance wise is as far as i could take it
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| 10:19 | The_Code, there already is Easy-LTSP in the devzilla
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| 10:20 | <The_Code> cyberorg, yes found it and wanted to add a bug and got this message
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| 10:20 | <bobbymac> so you're say my thin clients loading a kiosk chroot are logging in as root?
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| 10:21 | <cyberorg> The_Code, right, captain_magnus you know anything about this message?
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| 10:21 | <kl_eisbaer> bobbymac: No - thats not what I say. But if you're not shure which account it is, handle it like it IS the root account
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| 10:22 | <bobbymac> I see
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| 10:22 | <kl_eisbaer> cy, captain_magnus: Version and Component should be classified IMO
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| 10:23 | ...and the default assignee should be Jan
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| 10:27 | <cyberorg> i dont know where to access admin panel for that
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| 10:32 | The_Code, i've given you admin rights to devzilla, do you see any admin links there?
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| 10:34 | <The_Code> cyberorg, i see products at hte end of the page, and when i click on it i can navigate to product easy-ltsp and there is a field edit components
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| 10:36 | cyberorg, should i add a component, or do you do it
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| 10:36 | <cyberorg> yeah do it, i dont see it
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| 10:36 | <kl_eisbaer> Something like "Kiwi" and "LTS" would be cool :-)
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| 10:38 | <cyberorg> kl_eisbaer, ? we call it kiwi-ltsp ;)
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| 10:38 | <The_Code> e-mail adress is used for assignee ?
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| 10:38 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: yes
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| 10:38 | <The_Code> and who is default QA
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| 10:39 | <kl_eisbaer> cyberorg: no: the components are part of kiwi-ltsp :-)
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| 10:39 | The_Code: same email :-)
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| 10:39 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, the component is called Kiwi-LTSP
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| 10:39 | <cyberorg> The_Code, can you paste the link of admin page?
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| 10:40 | <The_Code> http://devzilla.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/editproducts.cgi?action=edit&product=Easy-LTSP
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| 10:42 | <cyberorg> Sorry, you aren't a member of the 'editcomponents' group!!
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| 10:42 | i created this bugzilla :/
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| 10:42 | <The_Code> cyberorg, that's bad
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| 10:43 | <cyberorg> actually it all ichain's falut
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| 10:43 | *fault
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| 10:43 | <The_Code> i added components: kiwi-ltsp, lts, general
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| 10:48 | <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, i have fixed your crash
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| 10:48 | <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: thanks
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| 10:53 | <cyberorg> hi vagrantc
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| 10:53 | vagrantc, how does LDM_LANGUAGE work, what values does it take?
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| 10:54 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: i think any valid locale
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| 10:54 | locale -a
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| 10:54 | or any supported locale
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| 10:54 | not sure how other distros handle locales
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| 10:54 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, ok, what happens if unsupported one is put in lts.conf?
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| 10:54 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: i think it should fall back to C/POSIX
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| 10:55 | <cyberorg> ok, The_Code ^^
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| 10:55 | <The_Code> read it, working on that
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| 10:56 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, you have mono installed?
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| 10:56 | <vagrantc> no
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| 10:57 | <cyberorg> if you have access to a machine with mono, you feedback for Easy-LTSP would be very valuable :)
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| 10:57 | give this a try http://forgeftp.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/easy-ltsp-0.4.tar.gz
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| 10:57 | <cyberorg> just extract it and run "mono Easy-LTSP.exe"
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| 10:58 | <The_Code> cyberorg, he needs easy-ltsp.conf in /etc/easy-ltsp/
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| 10:59 | <cyberorg> The_Code, can you upload a tarball with that in it?
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| 10:59 | <The_Code> will change the tarbal, mom
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| 11:02 | updated it
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| 11:09 | <masus> kl_eisbaer: TCP 20,21,6000:6063 does not work ... ? do you have another idea
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| 11:09 | <kl_eisbaer> TFTP uses UDP
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| 11:09 | <masus> hmmm
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| 11:09 | <kl_eisbaer> and you've forgotten DHCP
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| 11:10 | so 647 and icmp should pass
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| 11:10 | even 546 if you use ipv6
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| 11:11 | <masus> i'll try it
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| 11:11 | <kl_eisbaer> test if the clients get a valid ip-address
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| 11:11 | otherwise all other settings can be ignored
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| 11:12 | and even the routing and name resolution should work
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| 11:12 | <masus> everything works fine i have test it
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| 11:12 | only the bandwidth limit
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| 11:12 | <kl_eisbaer> hm: nfs ?
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| 11:13 | <kl_eisbaer> ports for nfs and portmap should be accessable
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| 11:13 | <masus> it'sone tcp port i know it because this works -> -t mangle -A POSTROUTING -p tcp --dport 1:65000 -j RETURN
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| 11:13 | it's in the tcp range
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| 11:13 | <kl_eisbaer> nfs should be something like 2049 and portmap.... 369 (but I'm not shure)
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| 11:13 | <masus> ok i'll try thank u
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| 11:13 | <kl_eisbaer> ah, ok
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| 11:13 | <masus> ah what ?
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| 11:13 | :D
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| 11:14 | <kl_eisbaer> try udp, please :-)
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| 11:14 | tcp is just a fallback for nfs and portmap in most cases
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| 11:14 | <masus> udp which port ?
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| 11:14 | <kl_eisbaer> hm... 369 2049
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| 11:14 | <masus> ok
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| 11:14 | i'll try one mom
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| 11:14 | <kl_eisbaer> but I'm not shure, please see /etc/services on your machine
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| 11:15 | <kl_eisbaer> If you've a console on your clients, try "showmount -e <servername>"
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| 11:19 | <masus> kl_eisbaer: done
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| 11:19 | kl_eisbaer: -p tcp --dport 2268
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| 11:20 | do you know for what is port 2268
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| 11:51 | <cdealer> Hi eveybody
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| 11:52 | <cyberorg> The_Code kl_eisbaer i've added the transcript to http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Easy-LTSP
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| 11:52 | also added bug tracker
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| 11:53 | <cdealer> help me with something that came today... is ltsp using /etc/hosts in particular the 127.0.1.1 address to some kind of clients control ??
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| 11:55 | <The_Code> cyberorg, nice, thanks
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| 11:58 | <ogra> vagrantc, are eric and warren already hanging out at freegeek ?
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| 11:58 | * ogra needs to know if he needs a cab to head over | |
| 12:00 | <warren> ogra: i'm still at eric's house
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| 12:00 | ogra: eric is at his work
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| 12:00 | <ogra> ah
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| 12:00 | <warren> ogra: I'm heading over soon
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| 12:00 | to his office
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| 12:01 | ogra: it seems we're going to OSCON
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| 12:01 | <ogra> warren, there is a prob with my doorlock, so if i leave the room i cant get in easily again
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| 12:01 | so i need to plan a bit if i dont want to run through hassle :)
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| 12:01 | <warren> ogra: did you decide if you are staying therE/
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| 12:02 | <ogra> i would like to, but havent talked to the frontdesk yet
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| 12:02 | (due to the mentioned prob)
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| 12:02 | seems the electronic lock ran out of battery :P
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| 12:02 | totally silly
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| 12:03 | and indeed they only have one general physical key for all doors
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| 12:03 | so i cant just get that one :P
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| 12:03 | <warren> wow
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| 12:04 | <cyberorg> guys if you go to OSCON lookup japerry and check out our ltsp5 implementation :)
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| 12:04 | <ogra> yeah, one thing more i could blog about if my blog were up ....
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| 12:04 | i have so many funny travleing stories :)
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| 12:04 | <japerry> warren, ogra: the Linuxfest Northwest booth
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| 12:05 | <ogra> japerry, if i go to OSCON intel will grab me and not let me go ... i'm not sure i want that ....
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| 12:05 | <japerry> we have our presentation and a demo machine up. although just our luck the server is having hardware issues sporactically
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| 12:05 | aww
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| 12:05 | I'll also bring the systems tomorrow to the hackfest
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| 12:05 | <ogra> how far is your booth from the intel one ?
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| 12:05 | <warren> what time does OSCON end today?
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| 12:06 | <ogra> 6pm every day, no ?
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| 12:06 | is it last day today already ?
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| 12:06 | <japerry> the exhibit hall ends around 5
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| 12:06 | <cyberorg> japerry, check out the last couple of commits, the boot errors are gone, and splash stays put now
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| 12:07 | <ogra> (i actually *should* see intel but dont want to be blocked for the whole day)
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| 12:07 | <japerry> cyberorg: sweet, I'll push out another image then today
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| 12:07 | <ogra> ah, last day is 25th
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| 12:09 | <japerry> yah tomorrow no expo hall
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| 12:09 | <ogra> warren, can you guys pick me up then ? i will try to fix the boking and doorlock issues now
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| 12:10 | <japerry> I'll be down at the booth today except from 11:35-12:20
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| 12:10 | and also gone from 1:45-2:30.
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| 12:10 | <warren> ogra: I'll call Eric and ask him to pick you up.
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| 12:10 | ogra: in how long?
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| 12:10 | <ogra> if you go anyway
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| 12:11 | <japerry> cya folks later
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| 12:11 | <warren> ogra: Eric's gf will soon take me to Eric's office.
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| 12:11 | <ogra> ah
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| 12:12 | well, i'll either stay at the front desk if the booking doesnt work or be in the room (123)
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| 12:12 | its propbably clever if you pick me up on the way towards eric since thats nearer
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| 12:13 | * ogra goes now ... and prays :) | |
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| 12:14 | <warren> ogra: oh hmm
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| 12:14 | ogra: I don't know where things are
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| 12:14 | I don't know where I am.
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| 13:06 | <jorgezero> anyone know how do i upgrade PXE 2.0 to 2.1???
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| 13:09 | <johnny> sup folks
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| 13:10 | <rcy> hi johnny
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| 13:49 | <roberto__> Hello to all the ltsp 5 this very slow in boot, which can be?
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| 14:02 | <devsforev> Hello again everyone. I am trying to get my nVidia NV11 graphics card working with xorg and the "nvidia" driver. I am having a hard time troubleshooting this problem since i cannot seem to locate a xorg.0.log file or any log related to xorg. When I boot the terminal, it attempts to start X but goes to a blank/black screen. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.
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| 14:03 | <Lns> roberto__, might depend on your thin clients
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| 14:03 | devsforev, try creating a root password in the chroot and CTRL+ALT+F1 to go to a console from the thin-client - your xorg logs are there in the ramfs
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| 14:05 | <devsforev> Lns: Excellent, sounds good. I will try that now.
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| 14:05 | <Lns> devsforev, keep in mind you need to ltsp-update-image and reboot thin-client for the pw to take effect
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| 14:08 | <roberto__> my thin clients are pcs with 512MB RAM
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| 14:10 | Lns_ -my thin clients are pcs with 512MB RAM
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| 14:11 | Lns_ puleaseeeee
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| 14:11 | <Lns> ?
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| 14:11 | roberto__, you're not giving very much information here
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| 14:11 | have you tried 'nosplash' and removing 'quiet' from boot parms to see where it hangs?
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| 14:12 | <roberto__> Lns_ not yet... how do I do it?
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| 14:12 | <Lns> brb..updating firewall
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| 14:13 | <roberto__> Lns_ what's brb?
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| 14:14 | <roberto__> Lns - the thing is... I had the server here at the office and my team was working on its migration...
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| 14:15 | <roberto__> Lns_ they were working perfectly, we tested the thin clients and the servers for a week
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| 14:16 | Lns_ now my team has taken the PCs to the client, but the thin clients don't seem to be "on the mood" anymore
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| 14:17 | Lns_ can you help us, it's urgent
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| 14:18 | <devsforev> Lns: Lns I specified "SCREEN_01 = shell" in my /etc/lts.conf to let me log in. At the prompt "ltsp login:" i type 'root' and it responds: "bash: root: command not found" before i can even type the password.
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| 14:21 | <irule> what is the famous sticky bit in UNIX permissions?
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| 14:21 | <roberto__> Lns_ ?
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| 14:22 | <devsforev> roberto__: brb == be right back
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| 14:22 | <roberto__> devsforev_ thanks so much...
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| 14:22 | <devsforev> sure thing
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| 14:28 | <Gadi> warren: u there?
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| 14:30 | <roberto__> Lns_ u there?
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| 14:38 | <Lns> roberto__, yes
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| 14:38 | what OS are you using?
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| 14:38 | brb = be right back
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| 14:39 | <roberto__> Lns_ I'm using Ubuntu 8.04
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| 14:40 | <Lns> roberto__, the list of grub options is in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/default, iirc
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| 14:41 | so modify that file and remove 'quiet' and replace 'splash' with 'nosplash' - ltsp-update-image, and reboot the thin client. you should then see the dmesg when the thin client boots and you can try to figure out what it's hanging on / making it take so long.
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| 14:42 | if you're using AMD64 on the server remember the --arch i386 for ltsp-update-image
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| 14:51 | <roberto__> Lns_ we're trying that... let's see what happens now
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| 14:52 | brb
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| 15:05 | <roberto__> Lns_ we did exactly as you said and the thin clients take 5 min to boot
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| 15:09 | Lns_ no error returned... so still no clue of what's possibly happening
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| 15:09 | Lns_ any ideas?
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| 15:10 | Lns_ The server is Intel with RAM 4GB
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| 15:11 | ?
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| 15:12 | <Lns> roberto__, what does it hang at?
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| 15:14 | <roberto__> we saw the dmesg and it doesn't show us anything wrong
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| 15:25 | <roberto__> Lns_ we got the file from the cllient's server, but it's huge and has apparently no problems
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| 15:25 | Lns_ what should I do?
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| 15:31 | <Lns> roberto__, i'm not sure what you're saying - did you modify the file? do you see the messages on the thin client as it boots now?
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| 15:31 | I have to get some food, i'll be back in about an hour and a half
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| 15:33 | <roberto__> Lns_ I midified the file, but we don't see the messages on the thiin client as it boots (at least nothing unusual)...
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| 16:32 | <Lns> roberto__, can you paste the contents of the file? Did you run ltsp-update-image?
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| 16:43 | <roberto__> Lns_ yes I did... do you want me to paste the WHOLE file?? it's huge...
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| 16:43 | <Lns> roberto__, then you edited the wrong file...
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| 16:44 | <roberto__> Lns_ so what's the file I should edit?
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| 16:44 | <Lns> roberto__, ok i think I gave you the wrong file.. you need to edit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 16:45 | Edit it to read the following: DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img nosplash
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| 16:45 | I'm not sure what file you edited before but un-edit it ;)
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| 16:45 | <roberto__> Lns_ hmm... ok I'll try that... lol
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| 16:46 | Lns... that's exactly what we did...
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| 16:47 | <Lns> ok...well the file is 1 line long... ? shouldn't be huge
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| 16:47 | did you run ltsp-update-image afterwards?
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| 16:48 | <roberto__> yes
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| 16:48 | <mib_twoych> ho avuto lo stesso problema
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| 16:49 | <roberto__> well, the file dmesg you told me to verify is huge though...
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| 16:50 | <mib_twoych> l'ho risolto, sistemando il server dhcp, ho ricreato le chiavi rsa e ricostruito l'immagine del kernel
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| 16:50 | e tutto si he messo a funzionare alla grande
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| 16:51 | <roberto__> mib_twoych_ ?
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| 16:51 | <mib_twoych> username random!!
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| 16:51 | <roberto__> miib_twoych_ comme hai fatto?
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| 16:52 | <mib_twoych> posto il messaggio in italiano
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| 16:52 | <roberto__> e io sono brasiliano
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| 16:52 | no parlo italiano molto bene
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| 16:53 | :b
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| 16:53 | <mib_twoych> ok!
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| 16:53 | <roberto__> puoi po0stare in English... per favore?
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| 16:53 | <mib_twoych> ok
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| 16:53 | <roberto__> o in portoguese
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| 16:53 | portoghese
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| 16:54 | <mib_twoych> english
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| 16:54 | <roberto__> ok
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| 16:54 | <mib_twoych> 1) setup dhcp.conf correttamente
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| 16:55 | <roberto__> ok...
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| 16:55 | aaaannnnnnnnnnnd?
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| 16:55 | <mib_twoych> 2) attendere un momento per favore
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| 16:56 | <roberto__> sì
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| 16:56 | <mib_twoych> 2) sudo ltsp-update-sshkey
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| 16:56 | 3) sudo ltsp-update-immagine
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| 16:57 | rispetto a
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| 16:58 | <roberto__> ??
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| 16:58 | O^o... che é... "rispetto a"?
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| 16:59 | <mib_twoych> questi sono i passaggi che ho fatto al fine di risolvere il problema
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| 16:59 | quindi, forme eth1 con IP statico 192.168.0.254
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| 17:01 | riavviare il server dhcpd con "sudo / etc / init.d / dhcpd restart-server"
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| 17:02 | e questo è tutto
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| 17:03 | <mib_twoych> Chiedo scusa per il mio inglese
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| 17:03 | <roberto__> were you able to solve the low speed booting problems with the thin clients?
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| 17:04 | Ed io chiedo scusa per il mio Italiano ;)
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| 17:04 | <mib_twoych> ;)
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| 17:05 | <roberto__> so you did solve the problems with slow speed booting thin clients... ours are taking 5 min to boot...
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| 17:06 | <mib_twoych> Sì
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| 17:07 | <roberto__> I'm Roberto's daughter... Only translating here... lol
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| 17:07 | <roberto__> our dhcp is configured with 192.168.0.2 , do you see problems with that?
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| 17:08 | ?
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| 17:09 | <mib_twoych> IP di eth1 deve essere 192.168.0.254 per impostazione predefinita
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| 17:11 | <roberto__> ok, brb
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| 17:14 | <mib_twoych> Vi chiedo scusa, ma ho fatto confusione: P eth1 prende l 'IP da un router con DHCP server, mentre eth0 ha IP statico (19.168.1.254), del resto, il server DHCP di "server ltsp" rilascia gli indirizzi ( 192.168.1.1 fino a 192.168.1.253) per il cliente!
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| 17:15 | se è la prima volta che utilizza ltsp, vi consiglio di utilizzare fedoracore6 k12ltsp, l'installazione è molto semplice.
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| 17:23 | <roberto__> we're using ubuntu 8.04 and the only problem we're experiencing is the slow boot... but well try to fix it adn your help was really great
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| 17:23 | grazie tanti per il tuo aiutto
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| 17:24 | <johnny> dberkholz, where are you?
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| 17:36 | <vagrantc> !seen jammcq
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| 17:36 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 0 hours, 59 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <jammcq> and they have it at this place
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| 17:38 | <johnny> vagrantc, sup guy?
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| 17:38 | what are you up to?
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| 17:39 | <vagrantc> johnny: working at freegeek for the next couple hours ... might try and get in some aikido in before jammcq and sbalneav show up
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| 17:53 | <Lns> vagrantc, you study aikido?
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| 17:53 | <vagrantc> Lns: a little
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| 17:53 | <ogra> johnny, he is running around at OSCON ... we had lunch together
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| 17:53 | <Lns> that's awesome..i've always wanted to get into that
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| 17:56 | <devsforev> Does anyone know if there are any tricks to getting nvidia-glx drivers working with LTSP? I have been having a hell-of-a-time trying to get them work, and I am starting to wonder if its my hardware or my LTSP implementation. Any ideas are welcome.
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| 17:59 | <Lns> sorry devsforev i'm not sure, never used nvidia drivers on a tc before
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| 18:01 | <devsforev> No worries. The only reason I want to get them running is because video is jerky when I play it. I feel like the "nv" driver may be to blame. When I use mplayer or VLC many frames are skipped and video is jerky. If I can get smooth playback, I won't need to use the nvidia drivers. Any sugguestions here?
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| 18:02 | <Lns> devsforev, typically i wouldn't recommend thin clients for full video playback, but that's just me.. i haven't done a lot of that, most of my expertise (if you'd call it that heh) is in school lab environments with things mainly like OOo and firefox
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| 18:03 | flash is as close as i get to fvp
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| 18:03 | <devsforev> I only have one terminal right now (will have 2 at most in the future) and it is connected to my MythTV box. I want to be able to play the videos on the terminal with smooth playback, but so far I have had trouble with it skipping frames, so I figured it might be the driver.
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| 18:03 | <Lns> devsforev, you're using ltsp for mythtv terminals?
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| 18:03 | <The_Code> devsforev, LDM_DIRECTX = true in lts.conf
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| 18:03 | devsforev, but this drops security for X related traffic
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| 18:04 | <Lns> The_Code, i've had trouble using ldm_directx before..i forget what exactly it was...but it was a while ago too
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| 18:04 | <devsforev> Lns: I am using LTSP just for one mythtv of my Myth terminals. I figured it would save TONS of time in configuration of an extra box, and make the whole system more cohesive.
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| 18:05 | <Lns> devsforev, i thought mythtv had its own terminal thing going on outside of ltsp
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| 18:05 | <The_Code> devsforev, just a way that might increase speed for your video
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| 18:05 | <Lns> for multiple remote boxes
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| 18:05 | <devsforev> The_Code: I will enable LDS_DIRECTX now and let you know.
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| 18:06 | <The_Code> devsforev, just try it, if security doesn't matter
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| 18:06 | <devsforev> Lns: that is true; Myth is divided into a frontend/backend. I could feasibly have another frontend on this box, but the machine itself is only ~300mhz and has about 256MB of ram.
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| 18:06 | The_Code: I will; security is not much of a concern in my enviornment
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| 18:07 | <The_Code> good
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| 18:09 | <ogra> devsforev, are yu aware that the mythbuntu CD can set up a mythitv fat client out of the box ?
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| 18:10 | the mythbuntu team has put a lot effort into that and i heard it runs quite well
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| 18:10 | <devsforev> ogra: no I am not. I will investigate this option as well. However, I do not have a hard drive in the box right now (nor do I have one laying around). If I go this route, I'll pick up one for cheap online. Thanks for the tip!
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| 18:11 | <ogra> its a diskless fat client setup :)
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| 18:11 | <devsforev> ogra: Really?!
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| 18:11 | <ogra> talk to laga if he's around, he maintains it
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| 18:11 | * devsforev googles mythbuntu | |
| 18:12 | <devsforev> could mythbuntu connect to an existing myth system diskless? or would the server need to be running mythbuntu as well? If so, I couldn't do it --- i have spent months configuring this box
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| 18:14 | <ogra> well, mythbuntu wouldnt simply take you months ... not sure what you confgured there, but it should just work and has a very easy configuration UI
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| 18:15 | <ogra> i have no ide about mythbuntu itself though, never used it, but i know it has an out of the box "diskless fat client" CD mode thats based on ltsp5 and configures itself just right
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| 18:17 | but really, best is to talk to laga, he works closely with mythtv as well as mythbuntu and did the diskless mode implementation ... he is on a european timezone ...
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| 18:17 | <devsforev> i'll look for him to become active. thanks for the advice!
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| 18:18 | * devsforev is booting with LDM_DIRECTX = true to see how it works right now | |
| 18:19 | <ogra> it drops the encryption overhead ... but i doubt that will help you much .... shoveling 30fps uncompressed over the network in fullscreen is simply saturating everything ...
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| 18:19 | (you could switch to 8bit color :P that would surely speed things up )
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| 18:20 | <Gadi> devsforev: another good test is to run mplayer from a terminal with the flag: -ao null
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| 18:20 | that kills audio
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| 18:20 | if the video improves, then it isnt a bandwidth issue
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| 18:21 | it is the player trying to keep video and audio sync'd
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| 18:22 | with LDM_DIRECTX = false, you will always have bad video - as you go through an unaccelerated proxy
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| 18:23 | <devsforev> Gadi: what if I make mplayer and such run as a local app? would that help
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| 18:23 | <Gadi> extremely
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| 18:23 | yes
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| 18:23 | <ogra> Gadi, are you in portland already ?
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| 18:23 | <devsforev> i'll try that idea
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| 18:23 | thanks!
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| 18:23 | <Gadi> then, you can send compressed video down to the client
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| 18:23 | ogra: I am typing from freegeek as we, er, speak
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| 18:24 | <ogra> Gadi, http://www.opensourcery.com/news/2008/07/beerforge-finish-your-oscon-week-style
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| 18:24 | we should meet there tonight :)
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| 18:24 | <Gadi> sounds good to me
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| 18:25 | <ogra> cool :)
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| 18:25 | <Gadi> my two favorite things - beer and forgery
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| 18:25 | hmm...
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| 18:25 | <ogra> they also have wine for vagrantc
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| 18:25 | * Gadi shakes his head | |
| 18:25 | <Gadi> ogra: have you seen warren?
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| 18:25 | <ogra> over what ?
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| 18:26 | <Gadi> (over wine)
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| 18:26 | <ogra> yes, we were at oscon the whole day
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| 18:26 | <Gadi> good times?
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| 18:26 | <ogra> and had the same flight
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| 18:26 | <Gadi> my flight was delayed so much - I didnt get in until 5AM portland time this morning
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| 18:26 | <devsforev> I am looking at the LocalApps wiki page right now, and there is a lot of stuff on making private/public keys. is that necessary for LocalApps, or just password-less login?
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| 18:26 | <ogra> and he did the upstream work on te ketchup bottle at lunch for me today, so i didnt have to pat it on the bottom to get ketchup for my fries :)
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| 18:27 | <Gadi> patting on the bottom is a rookie mistake
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| 18:27 | ;)
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| 18:27 | <ogra> (you know we ubuntu folks always rely on RH to do the real upstream work and then only integrate the outcome ;) )
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| 18:27 | <Gadi> so I hear
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| 18:27 | <ogra> yeah thats what sesamie street teaches you :)
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| 18:28 | never pat the bottom
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| 18:28 | but warren didnt want to hear ...
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| 18:28 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 18:28 | <ogra> bah ... delayed flights
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| 18:29 | <Gadi> in the airport, I wrote an rc.d script for localapps
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| 18:29 | <ogra> we sat on the airfield fro 45min because we would have flewn directly into a thunderstorm after takeoff
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| 18:29 | <Gadi> (speaking of localapps)
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| 18:29 | <ogra> sweet !
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| 18:29 | <Gadi> we'll see if it works
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| 18:29 | :)
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| 18:29 | but, the framework's there
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| 18:29 | <ogra> did you notice that opnssh 5.1 has statfs support in sftp ?
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| 18:29 | <Gadi> wasnt I the one that mentioned it?
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| 18:29 | :D
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| 18:30 | <ogra> we'll get it in 8.10 and colin will also put it into debian experimenal
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| 18:30 | <Gadi> cool
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| 18:30 | <ogra> oh, you were, sorry
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| 18:30 | <johnny> really???
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| 18:30 | <Gadi> I wrote the script assuming a call to sshfs
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| 18:30 | <johnny> officially? not just in ubuntu?
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| 18:30 | <Gadi> figuring if we wind up shimming something, we just change the line
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| 18:30 | <johnny> hey guys
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| 18:30 | what are you up to?
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| 18:31 | <ogra> johnny, waiting for you to arrive
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| 18:31 | <johnny> lol
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| 18:31 | <ogra> we decided to stop any work until you are here
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| 18:31 | <johnny> i doubt it
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| 18:31 | <ogra> so no new ltsp stuff then
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| 18:31 | <johnny> since we're not supposed to be there until tomorrow right?
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| 18:31 | <ogra> only drunken devs
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| 18:31 | <johnny> isn't it a bit early?
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| 18:32 | * ogra arrived yesterday ... | |
| 18:32 | <johnny> altho you must be seriously jetlagged
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| 18:32 | <ogra> but wnet to OSCON
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| 18:32 | *went
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| 18:32 | <johnny> ouch.. we coulda met up
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| 18:32 | i couldn't afford to be in any of the stuff tho
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| 18:32 | except the expo hall, but i did score some schwag, and got some food out of it
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| 18:32 | <ogra> well, i'm actually over my jetlag after 10 days in the US ... but i didnt sleep well tonight and look like a zombie
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| 18:33 | <johnny> so, what are you up to tonight then?
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| 18:33 | <ogra> but people are used to me like that so i dont scare tham anymore ... (only the new ones :) )
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| 18:33 | tonoght -> http://www.opensourcery.com/news/2008/07/beerforge-finish-your-oscon-week-style
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| 18:34 | * vagrantc wonders where beerforge is | |
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| 18:34 | <johnny> oh.. you're gonna be there
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| 18:34 | <devsforev> can somebody tell me what i should to do make mplayer run as a local app? I just specified LOCAL_APPS = Y in my lts.conf, but the wikipage gets a little vague after that. Thanks a bunch
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| 18:34 | <johnny> vagrantc, sorry for disappearing on your earlier, oscon wifi sucks
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| 18:34 | <vagrantc> and scotty and sbalneav will be getting in right around the same time it starts
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| 18:34 | <devsforev> I also exported /homes
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| 18:34 | <ogra> vagrantc, yeah, we need to get them there
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| 18:34 | it goes on until 11pm
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| 18:34 | <johnny> so beerforge is free?
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| 18:34 | i didn't see
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| 18:35 | <ogra> as i understood it is, yes
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| 18:35 | <Gadi> devsforev: there is no automagic localdev support as yet - its one of the things a drunken lot of us will work on this weekend
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| 18:35 | <ogra> Gadi, only if johnny comes
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| 18:35 | else we'll ony be drunken
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| 18:35 | <Gadi> devsforev: until now, most folks cobble something together
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| 18:35 | * johnny decides not to show up.. | |
| 18:35 | * ogra burps in advance | |
| 18:35 | <johnny> i doubt it.. i think you burped forreal
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| 18:36 | <devsforev> Gadi: alright, i guess i'll google around a bit
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| 18:36 | <Gadi> Ill only go if its free as in beer
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| 18:36 | <johnny> lol
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| 18:36 | <ogra> well, in a time travelling manner
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| 18:36 | <Gadi> warren's the one devoted to free as in speech
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| 18:36 | <johnny> so do they check your open source credentials before allowing entry ?
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| 18:36 | <Gadi> :)
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| 18:36 | <ogra> he had beer with us last night
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| 18:36 | <Gadi> what?
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| 18:36 | <johnny> where were you guys/
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| 18:36 | <Gadi> no way
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| 18:36 | did you get a pic?
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| 18:37 | <johnny> nobody told me
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| 18:37 | <ogra> very good beer in erics favorite brewery
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| 18:37 | * johnny is sad | |
| 18:37 | * Gadi is sad to have been on a tarmac at the time | |
| 18:37 | <ogra> dont ask me for names ... i just sit in the trunk until they let me out to the bar
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| 18:38 | <johnny> dberkholz, you back yet?
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| 18:38 | dberkholz, i commmited most relevant 2008.0 updates
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| 18:38 | <ogra> i doubt it and the wlan at oscon sucks
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| 18:38 | <johnny> we really need to get my stuff merged
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| 18:39 | <ogra> we talked about it after lunch a bit, we'll get yu going johnny, no worries
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| 18:39 | <johnny> is there anything we can do to get some official tarballs of snapshots ? or should we do it ourselves?
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| 18:39 | no rpm please...
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| 18:39 | <ogra> do it yourself, we can show you
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| 18:39 | you need the mkdst branch for that
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| 18:40 | <johnny> so we'll host it on our mirrors then?
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| 18:40 | atm we require bzr
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| 18:40 | in the chroot
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| 18:40 | <ogra> you tag the main branch with the release version and run mkdst, that creates tar.gz and tar.bz2 for you
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| 18:40 | <johnny> it's not that bad of a requirement i guess
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| 18:40 | well.. you guys did the tagging already
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| 18:40 | don't need to tag myself until we get my stuff in, if dberkholz finds it acceptable
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| 18:40 | <ogra> if you dont wnat to bump the version just run mkdst
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| 18:41 | i think he will, else we tie you up in a corner at freegeek until it fits :)
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| 18:41 | <johnny> has anybody done work on continuing an install ? instead of hard failling if /opt/ltsp/$arch exists ?
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| 18:42 | <ogra> no, and it would be massivley unclean
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| 18:42 | in debian and ubuntu we have an option that reuses the packages at least and keeps them in place
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| 18:43 | but you still need to clean up before reinstalling, else you likely end up with a lot of mess in the chroot
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| 18:43 | <johnny> i missed a dep, and now i have to start all over
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| 18:43 | need to find a way to get the binaries from the cd
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| 18:43 | at least for development
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| 18:43 | <ogra> we *could* rm -r the dir ... but that would be mean for people accidentially forgetting the --croot arg
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| 18:44 | <ogra> yes, you should have a way for that
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| 18:44 | <johnny> hmm.. imma chroot in there and quickpkg it all , donnie has a script for that
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| 18:45 | <ogra> which reminds me ...
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| 18:46 | * ogra goes and fixes the 8.10 ltsp-build-client | |
| 18:46 | <ogra> you evil guys just moved files around :P
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| 18:46 | * johnny hides your files | |
| 18:47 | <ogra> well, it was rather warren or altlinux that moved everything to subdirs in the scripts dir of ltsp-server
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| 18:47 | i just missed that so one plugin explodes
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| 18:48 | <johnny> i really need to go over the changes then
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| 18:48 | ok.. time to go browsin
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| 18:48 | so far.. i've yet to have to modify anything but ltsp-trunk
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| 18:48 | that is a good thing
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| 18:51 | fun.. i got a few things to do then
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| 18:52 | <ogra> you got us there for help :)
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| 18:53 | <johnny> shouldn't be much, some of it is what i suggested awhile
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| 18:53 | i have one question for dberkholz specifically, my chroot install failed due to X not being pulled in.. OOPS!
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| 18:53 | not sure where the dep should go, must have been too late
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| 18:54 | <ogra> well, we have a telnet mode :)
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| 18:54 | no need for X :P
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| 18:54 | <johnny> that's not true, ltspfs needs X :)
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| 18:54 | pkgconfig totally failed
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| 18:54 | <ogra> who needs ltspfs with telnet :)
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| 18:55 | <johnny> hmm.. guess i'll have to look into that..
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| 18:55 | so.. did you see that somebody actually got my ebuilds to work, with only a few questions?
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| 18:55 | and had a successfully booted install
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| 18:55 | considering it's not even been looked at by dberkholz
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| 18:55 | that makes me happy
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| 18:56 | * ogra wonders why the plastic cups in his hotelroom wear condoms | |
| 18:56 | <johnny> they tend to do that at hotels
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| 18:56 | <ogra> only in the US :)
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| 18:56 | i wonder what thats supposed to tell me
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| 18:58 | <johnny> that nobody would ever think to use your cup
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| 19:01 | <Lns> ...or whenever you drink from that cup, you've drank from every cup that your cup has been with
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| 19:02 | <johnny> lol
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| 19:02 | Lns, it's too bad you aren't here on the left coast... you'd be a good tester
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| 19:02 | ogra, what time are you thinking about getting there tomorrow?
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| 19:03 | <ogra> no idea, eric is my ride ...
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| 19:03 | Lns, giggel
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| 19:03 | <Lns> johnny, tester for cups with condoms?? =p left coast = west coast? I'm in Cali
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| 19:03 | <johnny> you're not takin the bus?
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| 19:03 | Lns, up here with us in portland
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| 19:03 | <Lns> ah
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| 19:03 | my sis lives in portland
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| 19:03 | <ogra> johnny, i'm a slacker (and my bag is heavy)
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| 19:04 | 3 laptops to carry and a lot of cable crap
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| 19:04 | <Lns> I'd love to be there.. Owning a startup is demanding though
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| 19:04 | <johnny> 3 laptops ?
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| 19:04 | <ogra> 2 classmates and my lappie
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| 19:04 | <johnny> i saw a classmate for the first time today
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| 19:04 | <ogra> i dont leave any valuable thing in the hotel
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| 19:04 | <johnny> there are safety deposit boxes..
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| 19:05 | <ogra> lol
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| 19:05 | you havent seen my hotel
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| 19:05 | <johnny> well at least you found A hotel..
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| 19:05 | <ogra> yeah
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| 19:05 | i actully like it ...
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| 19:06 | <johnny> i'm stayin at a friend's house
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| 19:06 | i'm just paying for food and transport
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| 19:06 | otherwise i wouldn't have been able to afford it
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| 19:06 | <ogra> especially the redneck family ... in whose backyard i look
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| 19:06 | <johnny> i can barely afford to come as it is.. but at least i'm gonna meet good contacts
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| 19:06 | <ogra> gives the whole thing an "qriginal" touch :)
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| 19:18 | <devsforev> Just to clairfy: for me to get an app run as a "Local Application", I need to install them in the chroot enviornment. Am I right?
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| 19:20 | <Gadi> right
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| 19:21 | <devsforev> alright, cool. One question thought. If I call mplayer for instance, how does the terminal know to load the one in the chroot instead of the other instance on the server?
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| 19:22 | <ogra> it doesnt
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| 19:22 | <Gadi> thats where all the stuff you saw about sshkeys came in
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| 19:22 | <ogra> which is the problem we will attack during the next four days at the ltsp hackfest
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| 19:23 | <devsforev> ahhhh..... it makes sense now
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| 19:23 | <Gadi> that was a method to launch mplayer on the thin client from the server
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| 19:23 | you basically need:
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| 19:23 | 1. A program to launch
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| 19:23 | 2. A way to launch it
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| 19:24 | <Gadi> 3. If it is not run by root - an authentication mechanism and a home dir on the chroot
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| 19:24 | <ogra> s/chroot/running client/
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| 19:24 | <Gadi> right
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| 19:24 | sorry
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| 19:24 | (3) can be optional
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| 19:24 | depending on the situation
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| 19:24 | <ogra> yeah
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| 19:24 | <johnny> i doubt i'll be much help for that
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| 19:24 | except as a tester
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| 19:25 | <johnny> let me know how i can help
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| 19:25 | <devsforev> hmmm... the plot thickens
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| 19:25 | <ogra> johnny, you care for your base to get running ....
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| 19:25 | and pick our brains
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| 19:26 | we care for the other stuff ;)
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| 19:26 | <johnny> heading to freegeek to visit it before the hackfest
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| 19:26 | bye
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| 19:47 | <dberkholz> bah, he left just in time for me to miss him
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| 19:48 | <ogra> he'll come to the beerforge
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| 19:48 | <dberkholz> oh good
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| 19:48 | <ogra> we should all wear nametags :)
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| 19:49 | <dberkholz> i might keep wearing my oscon one. depends what others do, i suppose
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| 19:51 | <ogra> i have a ton of ubuntu ones always with me .... but i keep my OSCON one on me
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