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Channel log from 9 May 2011 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 01:58 | <muppis> alkisg, noon.
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| 03:34 | <muppis> Sound is muted by default. Any hints?
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| 04:08 | <andygraybeal> morrningi
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| 06:10 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg: this weekend I switched all workplaces here to LTSP
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| 06:10 | <alkisg> Nice, how many PCs?
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| 06:10 | <Hyperbyte> Well, we're not such a big company
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| 06:11 | Main reason I switched to LTSP is that the idea of central management and everybody working on one PC attracts me a lot, administration-wise.
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| 06:11 | It's 10 workplaces
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| 06:12 | <alkisg> Any trouble/complains so far?
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| 06:12 | <Hyperbyte> Nope
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| 06:12 | But that's because we've been testing it for half a year or so, hehehe... I've really fine-tuned the Gnome environment to all our needs
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| 06:12 | <alkisg> :)
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| 06:13 | <Hyperbyte> Custom widgets and stuff, which talk with our CRM so it can give users some basic information about tasks to-do, while not being logged in to the CRM even
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| 06:14 | <Hyperbyte> Stuff like that... but I've already started to feel that I can accommodate users better than before. Some people have been asking if I could modify certain settings in Thunderbird... since I can just enforce those on the server, for all users, it's really easy to do that now.
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| 06:14 | Then it's fixed in one go for all current users and future users. I like that a lot.
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| 06:15 | I'm still working with PC hardware now (configured to do a netboot)... have LTSP thin clients on order though. :)
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| 06:16 | It's amazing how you can buy a thin client in America, pay shipping and import costs to Europe, and still be cheaper than at your local computer store.
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| 06:17 | Anyway, I'm really happy at the moment. :D
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| 06:17 | <andygraybeal> that's awesome Hyperbyte, i need your skills :)
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| 06:18 | i'm still trying to get vpn's and ldap working!!!!
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| 06:18 | uhg
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| 06:18 | <Hyperbyte> andygraybeal: what kind of VPN's?
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| 06:19 | <andygraybeal> openvpn
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| 06:19 | it's working but i need to get it all working together..
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| 06:19 | it's one thing or another at this point.. i'm still working on it
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| 06:19 | i haven't given up
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| 06:19 | <Hyperbyte> I remember six years ago I spent a week or so configuring a PPTP VPN on Fedora Core 1 or 2, which could interface with Windows clients.
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| 06:19 | Recently I tried again, just for fun... did 'yum install pptpd' and that was it... heh
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| 06:20 | <andygraybeal> so you use fedora?
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| 06:20 | <Hyperbyte> Yessir.
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| 06:20 | <andygraybeal> that's cool
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| 06:20 | <Hyperbyte> Well yes and no.
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| 06:20 | Fedora is awesome I think.
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| 06:20 | <andygraybeal> i do like the stability aspect of centos ... jus not the slow moving
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| 06:20 | <Hyperbyte> It sucks that LTSP was nicely integrated into it when I started implementing LTSP
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| 06:20 | And by now LTSP isn't supported anymore by Fedora
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| 06:21 | <andygraybeal> ;(
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| 06:21 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg: which reminds me, you should really change the topic to something more appropriate... like LTSP Fedora packagers desperately needed. :P
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| 06:21 | <alkisg> Hehe ... I don't think I have access to change the /topic
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| 06:22 | Dunno who do, at least sbalneav should have that
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| 06:22 | <Hyperbyte> But 'awesome integration' was true on january 30th 2010... now you can't get it working on Fedora 14 without heavily hacking the client build scripts.
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| 06:22 | <Hyperbyte> Same with Fedora 13... and presumably Fedora 15 suffers from it too, but I haven't tried that yet. No reports about anyone fixing LTSP though, so...
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| 06:22 | <alkisg> Wasn't da_geek providing support for fedora?
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| 06:22 | <Hyperbyte> I haven't seen him in a long time here...
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| 06:23 | Tried e-mailing him, asked where he's at and if there's anything I can do to help... I mean, I can't help with the packaging, but I am willing to avail this company as a testbed for new technology...
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| 06:23 | No reply though.
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| 06:24 | So for now he's MIA I think.
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| 06:25 | It's really too bad though, for Fedora and for LTSP as well. Fedora really deserves LTSP ready-to-go in it's package base... and for LTSP Fedora might be a nice entrance into RHEL...
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| 06:25 | Or at least that's what I always assumed would happen, until Warren quit.
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| 07:00 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: ^^
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| 07:01 | <Hyperbyte> :O
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| 07:01 | Da-Geek!
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| 07:01 | <Hyperbyte> We were just talking about you. All positive of course. :)
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| 07:01 | <Da-Geek> Hyperbyte, =-0
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| 07:02 | <Hyperbyte> I sent you an e-mail last week, to your redhat.com address
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| 07:02 | I'm really curious where you stand at the moment with getting a recent (or at least working ;-)) version of LTSP shipped with Fedora
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| 07:03 | <Da-Geek> Hyperbyte, i am really sorry that i missed your mail, it is prop still sitting in my inbox unread.. :-(
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| 07:03 | Hyperbyte, mega Busy right now here @ work
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| 07:04 | <Hyperbyte> Hey, don't worry about it. I'm not. :)
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| 07:04 | But where do you stand? What's the problem at the moment? And is there anything I can do to help?
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| 07:04 | <Da-Geek> Hyperbyte, I did publish some .rpm's that worked on F13 without issue, and have been told they also work on F14 (all over @ http://www.dageek.co.uk/ltsp/ )
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| 07:05 | <Hyperbyte> I started implementing LTSP here a while ago, when it was still properly supported by Fedora. Now that I've come to a point where I actually have deployed it, it's unsupported. :D
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| 07:05 | So if they work, why aren't they in the main repository?
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| 07:05 | <Da-Geek> Hyperbyte, I *think* i have commit access to the Fedora LTSP Packages, but Warren said he was going to come back and maintain the project, so i stepped back to allow him to do so..
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| 07:05 | <Hyperbyte> And he didn't
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| 07:06 | <Da-Geek> Hyperbyte, no, as i know know...
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| 07:06 | <Hyperbyte> It's time to contact him one final time, to ask for his permission to take his beautiful work and move ahead with it
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| 07:06 | :P
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| 07:06 | * Da-Geek is already co-maintainer of the project, So i *should* have full access to update it | |
| 07:07 | * Da-Geek just needs to work out how to submit my new .srpm's and get them included... | |
| 07:07 | <Hyperbyte> Well, this is good news then.
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| 07:08 | <Da-Geek> LTSP has changed *so* much since i did the F13 Packages, it looks like i need to re-package them again and get them uploaded to the official build servers to be included in the real repos
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| 07:08 | <Hyperbyte> Well, I'd say focus on Fedora 14
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| 07:08 | +15
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| 07:08 | Fedora 13 has LTSP, if you modify the build script a little.
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| 07:09 | Plus, seeing how far preupgrade has come, there's really nothing holding sysadmins back to keep their Fedora up to date.
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| 07:09 | <Da-Geek> Hyperbyte, /me things we have missed the boat on F14 for offical status anyway, we *might* be able to get them in F15 *IF* we hurry up and get it done quick
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| 07:09 | *thinks
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| 07:09 | <Hyperbyte> I did a preupgrade on my LTSP server actually, from Fedora 13 to Fedora 14. I was sure it'd break completely, but in fact not a single thing didn't work anymore.
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| 07:10 | Hah, that would be awesome. Although if you release an update later it might work just as well, no?
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| 07:10 | <Da-Geek> yay for Fedora++ and Preupgrade++ :-)
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| 07:10 | <Hyperbyte> :-D
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| 07:10 | <Da-Geek> Hyperbyte, if it is already in F14 base, we can update it
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| 07:10 | <Hyperbyte> Anyway, I've got Fedora 14 here, running LTSP, soon with 10 official LTSP thin clients.
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| 07:11 | <Da-Geek> Hyperbyte, if it is not already in the base OS, then getting it added mid relase is a mess...
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| 07:11 | <Hyperbyte> It IS a production environment, but if there's anything I can do... let me know.
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| 07:11 | <Hyperbyte> Hrm
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| 07:12 | * Hyperbyte checks rawhide | |
| 07:13 | <Hyperbyte> Looks like development version of 15 still has it
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| 07:14 | So does rawhide
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| 07:14 | <Da-Geek> Hyperbyte, my .rpm's @ http://www.dageek.co.uk/ltsp/ are a newer version of LTSP from upstream
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| 07:14 | * Hyperbyte bookmarks | |
| 07:15 | <Da-Geek> Hyperbyte, but still not updated to the current upstream
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| 07:15 | <Hyperbyte> There's a good chance I'll do a preupgrade to Fedora 15, take your RPM's and rebuild my client chroot sometime soon.
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| 07:15 | <Da-Geek> http://www.dageek.co.uk/ltsp/LTSP-Server-5.2.4-5.png
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| 07:15 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 07:15 | <Da-Geek> ^^^ shows LTSP 5.2.4-5 running on F13
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| 07:16 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah, saw it
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| 07:16 | <Da-Geek> (is actually my work-craptop...)
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| 07:16 | Stink-Pad
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| 07:16 | :-)
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| 07:16 | Hyperbyte, are you a Fedora Packager already ?
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| 07:16 | <Hyperbyte> Just a user.
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| 07:16 | Well, sysadmin.
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| 07:17 | <Hyperbyte> I have no clue whatsoever about packaging.
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| 07:17 | In fact, I get a headache whenever I have to build something from source. RPM's have made me lazy.
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| 07:17 | <Da-Geek> np, just wondered..
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| 07:17 | :-)
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| 07:17 | snap :-D
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| 07:17 | <Hyperbyte> Well, I would've liked to take a more hands-on approach
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| 07:17 | <Da-Geek> (about the rpms)
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| 07:18 | <Hyperbyte> Heheh
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| 07:18 | Wait..
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| 07:19 | <Da-Geek> LTSP seems to have found a new life over on Ubuntu, I am surprised that ppl still want it on Fedora
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| 07:20 | <Hyperbyte> http://local.recreatie-zorg.nl/jan/ltsp.png
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| 07:20 | :)
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| 07:20 | My current system. LTSP still runs only because of the preupgrade I think. I don't think I'd ever get it working on Fedora 14 otherwise.
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| 07:20 | Why does that surprise you?
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| 07:22 | <Da-Geek> i had thought that the LTSP community had all but gone, due to commodity small form factor boxes being so cheap, the extra effot of LTSP for most ppl is way over the top
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| 07:22 | <Hyperbyte> I like Fedora. I'm a big fan of Fedora. Naturally, I'd like to have my LTSP environment Fedora.
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| 07:23 | <Da-Geek> lol
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| 07:23 | <Hyperbyte> Well yeah... but have a terminal environment has much more advantages than just the costs man
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| 07:23 | <Da-Geek> Hyperbyte, you are one of a very select few ppl, for Desktop type things most ppl go to Ubuntu
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| 07:23 | Hyperbyte, you dont need to preach to the preacher :-D
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| 07:24 | <Hyperbyte> Well, I'm a creature of habit. I've only ever used Fedora. In fact, I started with RedHat Linux... 6 at the time, I think.
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| 07:24 | Well, no... I'm just saying you know, the sole reason I chose for LTSP is because of the endless possibilities it gives me as system administrator
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| 07:25 | I have limited time, so the less time I have to spend on upgrading individual PC's, solving problems in people's individual settings (etc), the more time I have to solve real problems.
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| 07:26 | Money isn't the big issue... although we're a lot cheaper off with LTSP, but that's mainly because we'd have never ever gone for a Linux environment if I couldn't manage it all on one central server.
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| 07:28 | <Hyperbyte> Anyway, you would rock my world if you got cutting edge LTSP version in Fedora 15. :)
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| 07:32 | <Da-Geek> Hyperbyte, "Give me an hour, i will fix a problem... give me endless time during the day to do my day-2-day job and play with LTSP i will fix everyones (LTSP) problems"...
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| 07:32 | Hyperbyte, well, you can see my point.. :-p
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| 07:33 | my current work-craptop is F13, I do however have a box @ home i might be able to install F14 or F15 on to try and build the latest upstream
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| 07:34 | then get it .rpm'ified and then work out how I can add it to the official build tree for Fedora
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| 07:34 | it looks so easy when you type it out like this :-)
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| 07:38 | <Hyperbyte> Could give you root on an F15 installation...
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| 07:38 | Not sure if that makes things easy. :P
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| 07:41 | I have some spare PC's here
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| 07:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey all
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| 07:47 | <dead_root> morning _UsUrPeR_
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| 07:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> does anybody know of a good way to get default LTSP clients to a specific environment?
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| 07:47 | Unity insists on telling me that it won't work, and I find that annoying
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| 07:48 | <dead_root> specific environment? you mean like gnome or xfce?
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| 07:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> ubuntu classic would probably be fine
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| 07:49 | I just need to have it be a default on the LTSP options
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| 07:49 | (hoping there's an lts.conf feature i didnt know about)
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| 07:49 | <dead_root> i thought that ubuntu and gnome was default for ltsp already
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| 07:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> in 11.04, that is apparently not the case
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| 07:50 | :/
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| 07:50 | <dead_root> oh
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| 07:50 | sorry i have yet to play with 11.04
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| 07:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh. give it a shot :)
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| 07:51 | * _UsUrPeR_ commences wailing and gnashing of teeth | |
| 07:51 | <dead_root> lol
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| 10:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey all
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| 10:09 | has anybody tried out 11.04 ltsp yet?
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| 10:10 | specifically, flash as a local application
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| 10:14 | <Eghie> _UsUrPeR_: not yet
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| 10:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> k, I am intrigued to see if anyone else has a problem with the flashplugin-nonfree package
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| 10:14 | <roasted> howdy
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| 10:15 | <Eghie> with maverick I had no problems with that plugin though
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| 10:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> Eghie: so that we're clean, I am trying to use firefox and the flash plug as localapps
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| 10:17 | if you have not had problems in 11.04, with that specific configuration, I am going to have to give this another shot
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| 10:18 | <Eghie> no, i mean 10.10
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| 10:18 | but I don't see any problems with 11.04 also
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| 10:18 | but there is something called /etc/adobe/mms.conf or something like that
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| 10:19 | see for instance: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguinswf/2008/08/secrets_of_the_mmscfg_file_1.html
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| 10:20 | you can try that
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| 10:20 | install firefox and flashplugin-nonfree and try to enable OverrideGPU.... stuff in mms.conf and check if that works out ok
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| 10:21 | and if you don't have audio, there is an extra package with pulseaudio support
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| 10:21 | something called "extrasound"
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| 10:22 | ah, not anymore i see
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| 10:22 | maybe you should install flashplugin-installer as well
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> Zarrku__: so, so far you've tried (1) a customized xorg.conf which didn't work, and (2) setting XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf, and that also didn't work?
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| 12:18 | Did you try anything else?
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| 12:20 | <Zarrku__> okay, I'm not using a I scrapped xorg.conf
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| 12:20 | <Zarrku__> I started over from blah
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| 12:20 | hehe
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| 12:20 | ugh
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| 12:20 | I started over from scratch
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| 12:21 | So I got edubuntu 10.10 with ltsp installed from the disk
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| 12:21 | <Zarrku__> I have created a lts.conf file
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| 12:21 | and added xserver = vesa
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| 12:22 | <alkisg> And you get what? A blank screen?
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| 12:22 | <Zarrku__> so far I am still getting a invalid card on the ubuntu 10.10 boot screen
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| 12:23 | no it acts like it wants to boot
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| 12:23 | <alkisg> How much RAM do those clients have?
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| 12:24 | <Zarrku__> 512 mb
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| 12:24 | <alkisg> Do they work if you boot them with a live usb stick or a live CD?
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| 12:25 | <Zarrku__> I havent tried it
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| 12:25 | Let me try it
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| 12:34 | <Zarrku__> I'll have to download a 32 bit live cd version
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| 12:34 | I'm using a 64bit version on the server
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| 12:34 | so of course it want work
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| 12:38 | <alkisg> ok
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| 13:07 | <html_inprogress> hi
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| 13:09 | anyone here
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> html_inprogress: don't ask to ask a question, just ask it, and if anyone knows the answer he will reply
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| 13:20 | <html_inprogress> it looked loike a gouht town
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| 13:20 | lol
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> Many people are online and don't talk for weeks
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| 13:20 | Unless someone asks a question :)
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| 13:20 | <html_inprogress> oh,,'
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| 13:21 | not like the #ubuntu channwel
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 13:21 | <html_inprogress> :)
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| 13:30 | <html_inprogress> so i just heard of this ltsp so what is it ?
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| 13:30 | <alkisg> There are docs in the irc /topic, you can read about ltsp there
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| 13:30 | <andygraybeal> html_inprogress, it's awesome :) -- you got one configuration on the server for all your clients; it's a great way to manage many inexpensive machines
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| 13:31 | and a lot less workstation management overhead
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| 13:31 | plus you don't need expensive client machines to run it with
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| 13:31 | <html_inprogress> i read a lot lik3e a HARRY PORTER BOOk every month, so just give me the over view
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| 13:31 | <andygraybeal> i bought all my clients at an auction for $30 bucks
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| 13:32 | <andygraybeal> a lot of people dont' like the attitude of not reading the documents, a lot of effort went into writing the documentation.
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| 13:32 | for a reason
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| 13:36 | <html_inprogress> 30 $$ !! what was in the specs?
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| 13:38 | <Hyperbyte> html_inprogress, so what do you think of LTSP?
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| 13:39 | <html_inprogress> i was thinking off showing linux off to my old high school,,, and there computer are slOWWW with all the surceity stuff on it,, like a min of 2.1 p4 /or centro and 256 mb ddr1
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| 13:39 | i dont know,, im thinking about getting strated
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| 13:39 | is what they got for hardware
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| 13:40 | <vagrantc> should work well as thin clients, if you get a decent server
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| 13:40 | would need more ram to use as fat clients
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| 13:40 | <alkisg> You can go there with a laptop and boot them all off of it, to display linux/ltsp to them
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| 13:40 | <html_inprogress> and moneys tight here,, living in the usa
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| 13:42 | well they have desktops with wwindows on it,,
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| 13:43 | whats fat cliens?
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| 13:44 | whats fat clients?
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| 13:45 | <Hyperbyte> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_client
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> Or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 13:46 | <Hyperbyte> ./reset
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| 13:46 | Ew
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| 13:47 | Excuse the dot.
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| 13:47 | <alkisg> OK, so should we execute `/reset`? :D
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| 13:47 | <Hyperbyte> You know, html_inprogress, you can find lots of great resources on Google. Most of what I know about LTSP, heck - most of what I know about anything - comes from Google.
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| 13:47 | alkisg, well, in BitchX all it does it redraw the screen. :P
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| 13:48 | It messes up when I scroll past the bottom of the channel, then I have to /reset. Teaches me for using such an ancient IRC client though.
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| 13:49 | * alkisg haven't heard about it till now :) | |
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| 13:51 | <ghidorah> Does anyone know if, with LTSP-Cluster, the application-servers perform the user authentication (say with AD) or does the root server?
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| 13:53 | Nick change: html_inprogress -> ltps | |
| 13:53 | Nick change: ltps -> ltpsnooob | |
| 13:54 | <ltpsnooob> so whats the purpose of this?
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| 13:56 | <alkisg> You can get to your school with a laptop, and use LTSP to netboot all of your PCs. They can boot in e.g. 40 seconds and then open firefox or openoffice in 2 seconds. All that without touching their hard disks.
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| 13:56 | In other words, the purpose of LTSP is to netboot computers
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| 13:56 | <Hyperbyte> You really should start by reading the documentation a little.
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| 13:57 | Reading is how you get knowledge. And reading documentation is far from boring, if you're really interested in the subject.
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| 23:08 | <muppis> Any idea why sound is muted by default?
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| 23:11 | <alkisg> And if you unmute it, it works?
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| 23:11 | <muppis> Yes.
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| 23:12 | <alkisg> Try amuting it with amixer. If you can do that, then you can put an option to lts.conf to do it automatically.
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| 23:13 | *un-muting
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| 23:16 | <muppis> I'll try.
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