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07:55 | <Bala2412> Hi
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07:56 | Any one help me out to fixing the ltsp issue
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07:56 | <elias_a> !ask
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07:56 | <ltsp`> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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07:58 | <Bala2412> my client pc's got hanged while login
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07:59 | <alkisg> Hello
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07:59 | <Bala2412> using ubuntu linux
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07:59 | hai
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07:59 | <alkisg> Is it a new installation?
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07:59 | <Bala2412> yes
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07:59 | <alkisg> Do all clients hang, or just one/a few?
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08:00 | <Bala2412> all of them
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08:00 | <alkisg> Which Ubuntu version?
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08:00 | 14.04?
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08:00 | Ubuntu? Lubuntu? etc
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08:00 | <Bala2412> 14.04.1
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08:00 | <alkisg> Do you have the Greek schools PPA in your sources?
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08:01 | !greek-schools-ppa
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08:01 | <ltsp`> greek-schools-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
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08:01 | <Bala2412> no
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08:01 | <alkisg> Put it, LTSP in Ubuntu is quite broken without it
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08:01 | <elias_a> Use it :)
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08:01 | <alkisg> Put it both in the server and the chroot
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08:01 | add-apt-repository ppa:ts.sch.gr; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
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08:01 | In the server. Then in the chroot. Then ltsp-update-image.
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08:02 | <Bala2412> am new to this could you please guide me to do this
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08:02 | <alkisg> Is this your first ltsp installation?
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08:02 | <Bala2412> yes
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08:03 | <alkisg> Did you follow the ltsp-pnp guide?
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08:03 | !ltsp-pnp
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08:03 | <ltsp`> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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08:04 | <Bala2412> no
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08:04 | <alkisg> It's the easiest way to install LTSP, it takes less than 1 hour usually
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08:05 | I suggest that you start over by using that guide
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08:05 | It includes the steps with the greek school ppa
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08:20 | <Bala2412> have followed those steps
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08:20 | but am not using DNS
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08:22 | <alkisg> So you now have ltsp-pnp up and running?
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08:24 | All PCs are using DNS, otherwise they can't connect to the Internet
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08:25 | <Bala2412> how can i check that the ltsp-pnp installled and running
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08:25 | <alkisg> Did you have any issues at any of the steps?
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08:25 | If not, then just try to boot the clients
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08:25 | If you didn't follow the steps, then start with a clean installation and follow them
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08:27 | <Bala2412> no i didn't get any issues while installing
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08:28 | <alkisg> Then boot the clients
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08:39 | cyberorg: I want to start a new project called configd that will work in parallel with lts.conf, ldminfod and eventually replace those completely, i.e. ltsp6 will depend on configd. Would you like me to keep you informed about it, so that it supports opensuse and so that you package it for that distribution?
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08:49 | <Bala2412> yes pls
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08:50 | but i got this ltsp-pnp: unrecognized service
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08:51 | <alkisg> What command did you run and you got that message?
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08:55 | Bala2412: you can write "alkisg" here if you want me to look at the messages that you write, you don't need to send me private messages all the time...
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08:55 | Writing a user name in IRC makes a sound in his PC
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08:58 | <Bala2412> service ltsp-pnp status
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09:02 | <alkisg> Bala2412: where did you find that command in that wiki page?
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09:03 | <Bala2412> no
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09:04 | <alkisg> Then why did you run that command? That service doesn't exist, yes, you shouldn't run commands that you don't see in that wiki page.
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09:05 | <Bala2412> you ask me to check the ltsp-pnp up and running that why am giving
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09:06 | <alkisg> With "up and running" I meant if you followed the wiki page successfully and you have booted the clients and logged in there.
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09:06 | I was not referring to a system service called ltsp-pnp, there is not such service
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09:06 | <Bala2412> client got hang
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09:07 | <alkisg> Bala2412: I think you're not following the tutorial correctly. Do you want me to have a look via remote desktop (vnc)?
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09:07 | !vnc-edide
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09:07 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'vnc-edide', but I do know about these similar topics: 'vnc-dide'
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09:07 | <alkisg> !vnc-dide
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09:07 | <ltsp`> vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
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09:08 | <Bala2412> ok i'll give this command in server?
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09:08 | <alkisg> Yes
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09:10 | Bala2412: you have isc-dhcp-server installed
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09:10 | The wiki page doesn't say to install that one
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09:10 | Bala2412: start over with a clean server installation, and follow that page, it's the easiest way to have ltsp running
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09:11 | Now you have followed different tutorials etc and you have an inconsistent system...
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09:11 | You also have two chroots, ltsp-pnp does not use chroot
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09:12 | Have you recently installed this server? Is it easy for you to start over, format it and only follow the ltsp-pnp page?
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09:12 | <Bala2412> yes...can you please guide me on this
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09:13 | <alkisg> OK, download and install this on your server: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04.3/ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-i386.iso
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09:13 | After that, come here in IRC again, I'll help you follow the ltsp-pnp page if you need help
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09:15 | Now you have ubuntu gnome, isc-dhcp-server, two chroots etc, it will take some time to undo that changes you did. It's better if you start with a clean system.
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09:16 | <Bala2412> here i have installed ubuntu 14.04.01 server edition 64 bit
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09:16 | <alkisg> Server edition is not appropriate for ltsp
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09:16 | 14.04.1 is older than 14.04.3
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09:17 | With ltsp-pnp it's better to use i386 so that you can boot any client
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09:17 | So, download the iso and install it to your server
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09:19 | <Bala2412> if i installed this ...client hung issue will be solved?
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09:19 | <alkisg> Most probably yes
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09:21 | <Bala2412> ok i'll ping you after installing the os
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09:21 | <fnurl> Hi alkisg
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09:21 | <alkisg> Hello fnurl :)
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09:21 | <fnurl> I can see you're busy, I was planning to catch up with you tomorrow if that's cool with you
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09:21 | just for a chat
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09:22 | <alkisg> fnurl: sure, it's even better for me tomorrow :)
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09:22 | See you then!
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09:22 | <fnurl> thanks for the mail, i'm very pleased :)
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09:22 | excellent, will shout then :)
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09:24 | <Bala2412> i386 is 32 bit?
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09:25 | <alkisg> Yes, use it, it's good :)
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09:26 | <Bala2412> is this possible to extend the ram in future? now 32 GB DDR4 is installed
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09:26 | <alkisg> Up to 64 gb, yes
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09:28 | <Bala2412> ok fine thanks i'll ping you once i finished....can i have your e-mail id ?
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20:26 | <cVsup_> I have installed ltsp on debian 8 with gnome. Clients boot faster, but select icons open applications is slow.
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20:26 | somebody can help
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20:26 | ?
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20:31 | <vagrantc> cVsup: thin or fat clients?
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20:31 | cVsup: gnome-classic? gnome?
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20:32 | <cVsup> thin
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20:32 | gnome
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20:32 | * vagrantc is surprised it works at all | |
20:33 | <cVsup> my ltsp server run on hyper-v
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20:33 | <vagrantc> cVsup: what are the hardware specs of your server and clients?
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20:34 | !ldm_directx
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20:34 | <ltsp`> Error: "ldm_directx" is not a valid command.
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20:34 | <vagrantc> !directx
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20:34 | <ltsp`> directx: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
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20:34 | <vagrantc> cVsup: LDM_DIRECTX might be an option to speed things up
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20:34 | !fatclient
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20:34 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'fatclient', but I do know about these similar topics: 'fatclients', 'fatclient-printers'
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20:34 | <vagrantc> !fatclients | echo cVsup
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20:34 | <ltsp`> cVsup fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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20:34 | <cVsup> vagrantc: i have to go now, tomorrow i am back.
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20:35 | <vagrantc> fatclients would also be something to look into, depending on your hardware
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20:35 | <cVsup> thanks
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20:35 | <vagrantc> good luck
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21:17 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: Hi!
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21:17 | question for you
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21:18 | has Jessie changed the -V option for apt-get ( it is still in the man pages, but when I run it, I get unknown option )
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21:19 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: never used it
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21:20 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: thank you
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21:23 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: what was/is it supposed to impact?
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21:23 | <bennabiy> It is supposed to turn on Verbose version numbers
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21:23 | <vagrantc> verbose where?
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21:23 | <bennabiy> in apt-get
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21:23 | <vagrantc> where in apt-get?
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21:24 | <bennabiy> update
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21:24 | upgrade
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21:24 | etc
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21:24 | -V Show verbose version numbers
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21:24 | <vagrantc> where in the user-interface would it display the version number where it doesn't by default?
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21:24 | because i see full version numbers by default in lots of places...
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21:24 | <bennabiy> hrm, let me see if I can pull up an example on a diff machine
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21:25 | <vagrantc> also, when i run it, i don't get "unknown option"
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21:25 | <bennabiy> -V, --verbose-versions
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21:25 | Show full versions for upgraded and installed packages. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Show-Versions.
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21:26 | E: Command line option 'V' [from -V] is not known.
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21:26 | <vagrantc> yes, i read the manpage.
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21:26 | bennabiy: probably a typo somewhere else on the commandline.
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21:26 | that's a nice feature!
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21:26 | <bennabiy> from this command? sudo apt-get -V update ?
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21:27 | ah! I realized what was happening
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21:27 | <vagrantc> apt-get update doesn't deal with package versions...
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21:30 | <bennabiy> that is right :)
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21:30 | I knew it had to be something like that
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21:38 | * vagrantc considers putting that in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ | |
21:42 | <bennabiy> it is useful :)
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21:44 | vagrantc: Have you tried HPN ssh to see if it makes LDM_DIRECTX not needed?
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21:44 | I am just wondering about the SSH bottleneck in performance
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21:44 | It would be nice to have a little more secure connections, but I cannot afford the performance hit.
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21:45 | <vagrantc> HPN ?
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21:45 | <bennabiy> http://www.psc.edu/index.php/hpn-ssh
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21:47 | <alkisg> Yeah it would be very nice if that was packaged for debian/ubuntu and could function as a drop-in replacement for openssh-server
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21:47 | The null cipher is really worth it :)
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21:49 | <vagrantc> a null cipher would make LDM_DIRECTX obsolete
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21:49 | <alkisg> And sshfs way faster
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21:49 | <vagrantc> actually, it would be slightly less secure, in that at least the username/password doesn't go over the wire unencrypted
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21:49 | <alkisg> The null cipher goes in effect after authentication
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21:50 | <vagrantc> oh
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21:50 | only applies to openssh-6.3 ?
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21:51 | <alkisg> I don't think so, I think that's just their latest set of patches
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21:51 | It's been years since they've been maintaining patches for all "new" ssh versions since then
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21:53 | OpenSSH-4.7p1-hpn13 v3 and onwards
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21:54 | https://launchpad.net/~w-rouesnel/+archive/ubuntu/openssh-hpn
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21:54 | <vagrantc> ah, someone has packaged it
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22:00 | <bennabiy> Someone else took it on, let me find the link.
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22:00 | but it is not in launchpad.
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22:01 | I guess someone could pull source and create a repo in launchpad for it
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22:03 | http://sourceforge.net/projects/hpnssh/ and http://github.com/rapier1/openssh-portable
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22:03 | <alkisg> portable? for windows?
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22:03 | <bennabiy> no, portable as in not bsd
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22:04 | anyways, I will be back tomorrow some time.
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22:04 | * bennabiy waves | |
22:04 | <alkisg> bye!
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