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Channel log from 6 January 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 14:56 | <mgariepy> hey rwmarch
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| 14:57 | <rwmarch> Hello
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| 14:58 | <mgariepy> "UseDns no" just remove the dns reverse lookup on the sercer when a client connect to it.
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| 14:59 | this way ssh can open the session before the dns timeout is reached.
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| 15:00 | <rwmarch> So, no unintended effect for me to worry about?
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| 15:00 | <mgariepy> i wouldn't think so.
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| 15:02 | <rwmarch> That system is Ubuntu 10.04.3LTS. I have a Ubuntu 10.10 system that does NOT exhibit this issue and it does not have UseDNS no set.
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| 15:03 | <mgariepy> maybe the dns timeout is longer on 10.04
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| 15:05 | <rwmarch> OK. Thanks for your help fixing my problem. One more step closer to migration to LTSP5 from LTSP4.2.
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| 15:05 | <mgariepy> rwmarch, cool :)
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| 15:06 | <mgariepy> _UsUrPeR_, any other news for your kernel patch yet ?
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| 15:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> I have some work to do pertaining to that. Apparently once it's been checked, I need to send it on to the intel-gfx list
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| 15:16 | and since it has been "reviewed-by" someone, it's good to go
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| 15:16 | so it's up to me to complete the process
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| 15:22 | <mgariepy> _UsUrPeR_, so you need to find the commit of your patch then add this to the bug ?
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| 15:22 | so it can be cherry-picked ?
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| 15:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> I have to review what this individual has told me to do, but it looks like the command "git send-email" will help with the submission.
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| 15:23 | but since it has been reviewed, I can change the linux bug status to "reviewed by"
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| 15:28 | <mgariepy> ok
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| 18:22 | <Q-FUNK> stgraber: for Precise, which kernel do we install by default when we create/update the chroot?
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| 18:24 | stgraber: I'm asking because, as of today, 'linux' and 'linux-image' pull the -pae kernel by default and yet PAE support is non-existent on the Geode.
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| 18:27 | stgraber: we'd therefore need to pull linux-image-generic to ensure support for non-PAE hardware.
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| 18:34 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: the sources say it pulls in linux-image-generic on i386
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| 18:35 | <Q-FUNK> vagrantc: excellent. thanks for the answer! :)
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| 18:36 | <vagrantc> since 2006
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| 18:36 | <Q-FUNK> ok. noted.
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| 18:36 | <vagrantc> "since ages"
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| 18:36 | <Q-FUNK> seems so :)
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| 18:37 | <vagrantc> so even if you're upgrading, it shouldn't be much of a problem
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| 18:38 | <Q-FUNK> I just had to check, because since a few releases, Ubuntu has been trying to phase out support for older hardware, so I must decide whether keeping an eye on Ubuntu is feasible anymore.
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| 18:39 | it started with building everything with -m686, now they also ship a -pae kernel by default and there were even talks of discontinuing support for pre-pae hardware.
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| 18:39 | <vagrantc> yeah, many distros have gone that way...
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| 18:40 | <Q-FUNK> for now, they still ship a kernel with non-pae support, but it's only a matter of time before that, too, gets discontinued.
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| 18:41 | <vagrantc> debian stopped shipping a non-pae 686 single-proc kernel, but still ships a -486 single-proc kernel
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| 18:41 | <Q-FUNK> already the day they started using -m686 saw schools with plenty of GX1 and GX2 terminals switch to Debian.
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| 18:41 | yup. 486 is what I use with Geode on Debian.
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| 18:42 | <vagrantc> 486 is still the default on debian, since it's the most compatible ... if people want/need more, they can add it
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| 18:42 | default for debian's LTSP, that is
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| 18:42 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 18:42 | <vagrantc> i pondered briefly defaulting to 686, but there was a minor revolt
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| 18:42 | <Q-FUNK> plus, d-i on debian tends to be good at detecting the right kernel to install.
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| 18:42 | "minor" ?
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| 18:43 | <vagrantc> a few complaints well placed convinced me otherwise
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| 18:43 | <Q-FUNK> the day you do this is the day LTSP essentiall ceased to be usable on GX1, SC and GX2 hardware.
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| 18:43 | <vagrantc> and i've also run into a lot of non-686 thin client hardware coming through freegeek lately... and with the dropping of 686-non-pae it's pretty much settled
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| 18:44 | no, it'll take a full release cycle before it hits :P
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| 18:44 | <Q-FUNK> yeah, most thin client hardware on x86 uses some souped-up customized 586 core.
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| 18:44 | <vagrantc> though i have no intentions of making that switch :)
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| 18:45 | i'll default to the most compatible kernel debian ships by default.
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| 18:46 | <Q-FUNK> sounds like a plan. besides, doing that guarantees that debian remains a viable upgrade path, the day Ubuntu puts the final nail in the coffin and stops shipping non-pae kernels.
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| 18:47 | in a way, it will eventually make Debian the only usable distro for LTSP.
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| 18:47 | and maybe Gentoo
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| 18:48 | <vagrantc> there are plenty of people using more modern hardware with thin or fat clients, but yes, for the lower end stuff, debian seems to be it...
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| 18:48 | <Q-FUNK> but it's fairly clear that Fedora and Ubuntu will eventually drop most thin client hardware as an indirect result of further tightening their optimizations.
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| 18:49 | more modern? what would it be, asides from de-disked gutted PC hardware?
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| 18:50 | nobody has come up with dedicated thin client hardware that uses anything more recent than the Geode LX, afaik.
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| 18:50 | <leio> probably people who understand why thin client setups are useful, as opposed to just for the prices
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| 18:51 | also, VIA Nano U3500 seems popular apparently. Has even SSE4.1
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| 18:52 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: i've seen numerous atom thin clients
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| 18:52 | <Q-FUNK> leio: such as this? http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/25202/ddtsc
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| 18:53 | <leio> I merely looked what CPUs HP Thin clients use these days ÖD
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| 18:55 | <Q-FUNK> ok :)
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| 19:01 | <knipwim> the hp t5335z ships an arm 1.2 Ghz
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| 19:03 | <vagrantc> i had worked with an hp t5325 which is also arm based for a spell...
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| 19:22 | <zombeeeez> Hey, quick question. I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 LTSP and after a user types in a username, if they either don't type a password or type a bad password once, it stays on the password prompt indefinitely. If the user tries a bad password a 2nd time, it reverts back to asking for the username. Any way to set a timeout on this? I've got kiosks using LTSP, and I'm finidng some kiosks where ppl have left it on a password prompt, which seems to confuse some
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| 19:22 | users.
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| 21:55 | <Lynksss> hi, does anyone have a link to good documentation on how to setup LSTP server for thin clients on Edubuntu?
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