IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
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| 08:08 | <Hyperbyte> mhm
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| 09:52 | <Joanet> hi all, i'm trying to build a fat image including skype but when is creating the image it says skype was not found. I supose it's produced by non-existing repo. How can I solve it? Thanks!
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| 09:57 | <workingcats> Joanet, depends on distro. just chroot into the image and install skype using the normal method of the distro
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| 09:58 | <Joanet> workingcats: thanks !
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| 09:58 | also i've found this:http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/configure-update-auto-login-ubuntu-12-04-ltsp-fat-clients
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| 09:59 | i think it would help me
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| 10:00 | only one more question : i've made for thin clients an script included in S00-guest-session for restore freezed user profile. How can I port it to fat clients?
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| 10:00 | <workingcats> just copy it into the chroot
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| 10:01 | if thats an init script
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| 10:08 | <Joanet> its original location was /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S00-guest-sessions
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| 10:14 | <workingcats> yep looks like an init script
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| 10:21 | <Hyperbyte> Joanet, what happens if you just leave that file there on the fat client?
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| 10:24 | <Joanet> I'll check the file content (now i'm creating an snapshot of the server -it's a vmware machine)
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| 10:24 | as soon as the snapshot is done i'll check it
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| 10:27 | <Hyperbyte> AFAIK, all the LDM init scripts are loaded on thin and fat clients just the same.
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| 10:32 | <workingcats> thats not a normal place to load init scripts from tho
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| 10:32 | i would hope at least
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| 10:53 | <vihren> hello everyone
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| 10:53 | <Hyperbyte> workingcats, "cleaning up a user profile" can never be an init script. It has to be ran during login.
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| 10:54 | workingcats, you can't run it on init because user isn't yet logged in and you can't run it as part of the session, because you want to clean up the profile -before- the session
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| 10:54 | <vihren> i am working at a company with 5-10 workstations. I want to setup ltsp on ubuntu server. I am going to use ubuntu server to host some web sites and internal services. Is it possible LTSP to be used this way? I want LTSP to host Ubuntu (not server).
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| 10:55 | <Hyperbyte> So you can run it directly from the login manager, as part of the session startup routine (/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/), or perhaps even run it via pam, but that'd be a whole lot more difficult.
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| 10:55 | <workingcats> Hyperbyte, i didnt look at the file, just the path and name
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| 10:56 | <Hyperbyte> workingcats, neither did I. Joanet wanted to run a script on session login, that can't be done using initscripts.
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| 10:56 | vihren, hi.
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| 10:57 | vihren, please explain. You want LTSP to host Ubuntu, but not the server?
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| 10:57 | <vihren> I want to install LTSP on ubuntu server
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| 10:57 | but LTSP should provide Ubuntu with Unity to thin clients
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| 10:57 | is that possible?
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| 10:58 | <Hyperbyte> Ah. You'll have a general network server, that provides all kinds of things like NTP, maybe Samba, etc... and you want this server to also do LTSP?
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| 10:58 | <Joanet> Hyperbyte: the file is not on the original path. I created it when I used thin client image, and after doing ltsp-build-client all was gone. I'll create it again
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| 10:58 | <vihren> Hyperbyte, you got my idea
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| 10:58 | <Hyperbyte> Joanet, ltsp-build-client -removes- anything in /opt/ltsp/ and completely builds a new thin or fat client. Naturally your custom modifications are gone.
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| 10:59 | <Joanet> I see ¬_¬ :)
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| 10:59 | <Hyperbyte> Joanet, any script you place in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/ gets executed during login. You don't have to modify an existing script, just add your own. Like I99-joanetcustom
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| 10:59 | <Joanet> i'll customize again and let you know
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| 10:59 | thanks for your help
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| 11:00 | <Hyperbyte> vihren, well, that's possible. LTSP can live together with other services on a single server.
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| 11:00 | <vihren> I am sure of this, but my idea is that LTSP will be installed on Ubuntu server, but should provide other OS
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| 11:01 | the other OS will be Ubuntu which is different from the server version, by the installed packages
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| 11:03 | <Hyperbyte> vihren, Ubuntu and Ubuntu server are the same thing. Just with different default package configuration.
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| 11:03 | <vihren> I know this :)
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| 11:03 | <Hyperbyte> Well, then if you install Ubuntu-server, you'll have to install the extra packages manually to turn it into regular Ubuntu.
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| 11:04 | If this is a new install, I'd just pick a desktop edition of Ubuntu, install it and add the services you need.
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| 11:04 | <vihren> what if I don't want to turn the server into regular ubuntu, but just the LTSP clients?
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| 11:04 | <Hyperbyte> vihren, you said you want to run THIN clients.
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| 11:04 | Do you understand what thin clients are?
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| 11:04 | <vihren> yes
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| 11:05 | maybe I am not getting the idea of LTSP very clear
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| 11:05 | <Hyperbyte> Then you should know that thin clients run their entire desktop session -on the software-
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| 11:05 | Sorry, -on the server-
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| 11:06 | <vihren> I know this
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| 11:06 | <Hyperbyte> Meaning, the thin clients will have access to any software you install on the server. If you don't want to install Gnome, that's fine. Use LTSP to serve bash prompts to your users. :)
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| 11:07 | <vihren> and my other question is: Is it possible the cclients session to be run on the clients, meaning we are not speaking of thin clients anymore?
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| 11:07 | my idea is to service only one OS image, which will boot on many workstations
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| 11:08 | this will save me time updating, solving problems, etc.
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| 11:08 | I am wondering if LTSP is the right solution for me :)
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| 11:08 | <workingcats> vihren, you could set up ltsp to be in a chroot, but it's probably much easier and quicker to make a second server
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| 11:08 | <Hyperbyte> vihren, sure - that's easy.
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| 11:09 | But if that's what you want, you're not talking about thin clients. That's fat clients.
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| 11:09 | <vihren> Hyperbyte, of course I will use the current workstations as clients. They are standalone at the moment.
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| 11:09 | Maybe it will be better to use them
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| 11:10 | so...fat clients :(
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| 11:10 | <Hyperbyte> vihren, no - check:
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| 11:10 | Thin clients - network booted from software image, but run their desktop session on the server's hardware and transmit video over network
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| 11:10 | Fat clients - network booted from software image, but run their desktop session locally on the client hardware, like a local installation of Ubuntu would.
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| 11:10 | <vihren> Hyperbyte, I read about the thin clients and got the idea of a thin client
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| 11:11 | <Hyperbyte> To me, it sounds like fat clients is what you want.
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| 11:11 | <vihren> but I think that fat clients is what I am going to use
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| 11:11 | <Hyperbyte> And if you go the way of fat clients, it doesn't matter at all what you install on the server.
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| 11:11 | <vihren> Perfect
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| 11:11 | <Hyperbyte> You could have a Centos LTSP server providing Ubuntu for your network.
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| 11:11 | <vihren> this sound like what I need
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| 11:12 | <Hyperbyte> But, as a different suggestion... and this is kind of going towards what workingcats was saying...
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| 11:12 | Having a seperate server for LTSP is best. It makes it easy to maintain the client image.
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| 11:12 | <workingcats> and with virtualisation the cost of having separate servers is small
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| 11:12 | <Hyperbyte> Understand that if you build a seperate fat client image, you cannot maintain this image graphically. Everything has to be set and configured from the command line.
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| 11:13 | <vihren> If I use Centos with LTSP Ubuntu, the only thing I need is to update the packages
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| 11:13 | <Hyperbyte> If you use LTSP-PNP, you just install Ubuntu inside a virtual machine, configure it the way you want it, run ltsp-update-image and LTSP-PNP creates a network boot image which is a near exact copy of the server.
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| 11:13 | <vihren> I don't have problems installing packages from the commang line
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| 11:13 | <Hyperbyte> You do if you're using Centos with LTSP Ubuntu. :)
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| 11:14 | <vihren> I want to use the server only to store the workstations' image
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| 11:14 | :)
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| 11:14 | so I can update a single image
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| 11:14 | <Hyperbyte> Because how are you going to manage a Ubuntu installation from Centos? apt-get vs. yum, dpkg vs rpm.
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| 11:14 | <workingcats> why not use something slightly saner like debian for the server
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| 11:14 | or ubuntu server
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| 11:14 | why use two sets of tools, learn two sets of paths, etc
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| 11:14 | <vihren> no, no, I used the combination of Centos and Ubuntu, just because you did it
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| 11:15 | <workingcats> oh ok
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| 11:15 | <vihren> in the real situation I will install Ubuntu server on the server
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| 11:15 | and use Ubuntu with Unity for the workstations
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| 11:15 | <Hyperbyte> vihren, what you want is LTSP-PNP inside a virtual machine on your server. Trust me on this one.
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| 11:15 | Install your server, create a virtual machine, install Ubuntu 12.04 desktop, install ltsp-pnp... and then you can just maintain your image graphically, from inside the virtual machine.
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| 11:16 | <vihren> hyperbyte, does this configuration allow multiple simultaneous connections to a single image, without filesystem corruption?
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| 11:16 | <Hyperbyte> vihren, client images are read-only.
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| 11:16 | <vihren> perfect
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| 11:16 | <Hyperbyte> I have two LTSP installations which I maintan.
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| 11:17 | *maintain
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| 11:17 | One server is running Fedora, with Ubuntu 12.04 LTSP-PNP inside a virtual machine. It provides fat clients.
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| 11:17 | The other server is running Centos, with Ubuntu 12.04 LTSP regular inside a virtual machine. It provides thin clients.
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| 11:17 | <vihren> So I can link the home folders of the users to a network share
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| 11:18 | just to allow the users to customize their session
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| 11:18 | <Hyperbyte> The first server, with the fat clients, isn't very powerful, since it only needs to run server processes.
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| 11:18 | The second server, with thin clients, is veeeery powerful because it needs to run all the software for all the workplaces in the company. :)
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| 11:19 | <Hyperbyte> vihren, by default home directories on LTSP fat clients are mounted from the /home on the server.
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| 11:19 | <vihren> even using LTSP-PNP?
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| 11:19 | <Hyperbyte> Yes.
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| 11:19 | The LTSP client image does not and should not contain any users and/or user files.
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| 11:19 | <vihren> hmm..I think I found a suitable solution
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| 11:19 | I know that
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| 11:20 | <Hyperbyte> LTSP client images authenticate to the server (via ssh) and mount their home directories from that same server (using sshfs)
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| 11:20 | <vihren> but I want to allow small customizations to each user session
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| 11:20 | e.g. one person want blue background, but the girl wants a pink one ;)
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| 11:21 | <Hyperbyte> Hah. I'm more of a BOHF. Company background everyone!
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| 11:21 | <vihren> so writing permissions to each user home folder on a network folder is enough
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| 11:21 | <Hyperbyte> But yeah, each user their own customizable session is LTSP default stuff.
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| 11:21 | <workingcats> Hyperbyte, you evil person
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| 11:21 | i mean killing people is one thing, but company background?!
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| 11:22 | <vihren> Hyperbyte, I can also mount a network share just ot have it as a "global" storage for company files?
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| 11:22 | <Hyperbyte> And the company background is also the LDM theme, so you get a fluid transition from LDM to the desktop. :)
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| 11:22 | vihren, sure.
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| 11:22 | <vihren> Hyperbyte, thanks a lot!!! I appreciate it!
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| 11:23 | <Hyperbyte> vihren, you can do -anything- with LTSP fat clients that you can also do with regular Linux. Why? Because LTSP fat clients -is- regular Linux. Just provided via the network.
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| 11:23 | Just keep the idea of LTSP-PNP in a virtual machine on your server alive.
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| 11:24 | <workingcats> i have to admit i much prefer fat clients
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| 11:24 | its just i have yet to see any graphical remoting system that comes anywhere near the responsiveness you get from something "normal"
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| 11:25 | <Hyperbyte> workingcats, try gigabit clients and server. :)
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| 11:25 | <vihren> Hyperbyte, I was reading about a solution using ISCSI\
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| 11:25 | <workingcats> Hyperbyte, had gigabit client and server hehe
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| 11:25 | <vihren> but there was a problem when I need to connect simultaneous multiple clients to a single target
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| 11:26 | <Hyperbyte> workingcats, I think they're very responsive.
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| 11:26 | <workingcats> they're bearable, but its not the effectively literally instantaneous you get from local sw
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| 11:26 | <vihren> workingcats, I am thinking of SSD for the image and gigabit LAN, just to squeeze every byte of speed I can :)
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| 11:27 | <workingcats> you dont need ssd for the image just have enough ram to have it in cache
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| 11:27 | well that's what i'd do
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| 11:27 | <Hyperbyte> vihren, useless.
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| 11:27 | <vihren> workingcats, this is a good idea
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| 11:27 | <Hyperbyte> Will maybe increase boot speed a little if all clients are booting at once, but since Linux caches file reads, the SSD won't do anything.
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| 11:27 | <vihren> RAM is more cheap than SSD
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| 11:28 | <Hyperbyte> Gigabit is a good idea, but RAM is much more useful so your server can cache disk reads.
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| 11:28 | <vihren> I just didn't thought of that
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| 11:28 | but it's a simple and cheap solution
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| 11:29 | <workingcats> and you can easily get at least 16G RAM even on a desktop board now
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| 11:29 | <vihren> this is not a problem
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| 11:29 | <workingcats> the image is surprisingly small as well
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| 11:29 | <vihren> how much? :)
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| 11:29 | 5G?
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| 11:30 | <workingcats> mine's still only 1.9G and i have KDE, LO, and a bunch of smaller things
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| 11:30 | including 3 or 4 browsers, i think gimp, etc etc
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| 11:30 | <Hyperbyte> vihren, usual fat client image is around 1GB. But realize that LTSP only loads what it needs.
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| 11:30 | Say it needs 100MB of data from the image to boot, each client would read 100MB on startup...
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| 11:31 | <vihren> Hyperbyte, as we are using not more than 10 applications, beside these that comes with ubuntu, I don't think we will get the image too big
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| 11:31 | <Hyperbyte> That's around 10 seconds on 100mbit network. So 10 seconds added boot time on 100mbit. Let's say you have 6 clients booting at once, that'd add one minute boot time to all clients.
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| 11:31 | Calculate a bit like that.
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| 11:31 | You could easily have 100mbit clients and a gigabit server, for example.
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| 11:31 | <vihren> boot time of 10s on 100mbit network is faster than what I am observing now
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| 11:32 | <workingcats> i was gonna suggest gbit clients and 10GE server ;)
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| 11:32 | vihren, 10s _added_
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| 11:32 | <Hyperbyte> vihren, I said 'added' boot time. :)
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| 11:32 | <vihren> ah..ok
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| 11:32 | <workingcats> well, not really added
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| 11:32 | <vihren> but we are going to build gbit network
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| 11:32 | <workingcats> since you lose the disk access time on the client
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| 11:32 | <vihren> which is, every workstation will have gbit connection to server
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| 11:32 | <Hyperbyte> Let's say reading 100MB from harddisk take 3 seconds, reading 100MB from network is 10 seconds... 7 seconds added boot time.
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| 11:32 | <workingcats> if you're laying new copper then make sure it can carry 10GE
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| 11:33 | that means cat6 or 6a, depending on distance
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| 11:33 | <vihren> which will bottleneck at some time, because the server will use only one network adapter in the beginning
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| 11:34 | wirkingcats, we are laying cat6
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| 11:34 | <Hyperbyte> vihren, how many clients are you going to have?
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| 11:34 | <vihren> hyperbyte, for now, not more than 6
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| 11:34 | <Hyperbyte> Then you are greatly overestimating the needs of fat clients.
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| 11:34 | I could run your fat client server on my Android phone, via wifi.
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| 11:35 | <vihren> you missed that I will host other services on the server
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| 11:35 | <Hyperbyte> Remember fat clients depend on client hardware being good, server hardware hardly matters.
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| 11:35 | <vihren> :)
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| 11:35 | I don't care about the server hardware
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| 11:35 | the only thing that matters is the network speed between the server and the clients
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| 11:35 | looking at the server
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| 11:36 | if we look at the workstations: they need to be powerful enough to run OS from locally installed HDD
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| 11:36 | so..the only difference is the missing HDD :)
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| 11:36 | <Hyperbyte> Yep.
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| 11:36 | <vihren> and because the workstations now are standalone, I will use their HDD to build RAID array on the server
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| 11:36 | just to prevent data loss
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| 11:37 | <Hyperbyte> If you have HDD's to spare, create one array for your virtual LTSP server. :)
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| 11:37 | Then your client reads don't interfere with harddisk availability of your other services.
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| 11:38 | <vihren> I can spare single HDD for the virtual LTSP server, but the others will be configured in a bigger array because I will need to store the data somewhere
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| 11:39 | as there is a data now spread at different workstations
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| 11:39 | anyway...I am happy that you guys are here
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| 11:39 | you solved my problem! :)
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| 11:39 | many thanks!
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| 11:40 | maybe I will have more and more questions when I configure the LTSP server
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| 11:40 | but for now everything is clear
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| 11:48 | <Hyperbyte> vihren, good. :)
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| 11:49 | <vihren> Have a nice day all of you!
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| 12:01 | <Joanet> how can I add files to be added to the client image? I mean,: how can I do customizations and enable them to be included when doing build client?
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| 12:03 | <der_baer> Joanet: you would have to customice the build script but I would not recoment that just save the scriptes some where else and copy after the bulid prozess in to the client chroot
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| 12:05 | <Joanet> der_baer: ok, thanks. Then I'll do a "customization script' for copying file :)
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| 12:36 | <Joanet> Hyperbyte: my S00-guest-session is a modified version of this http://osdir.com/ml/LTSP-cluster-thin-clients/2011-07/msg00064.html
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| 12:37 | but I'm trying to get the $LDM_SERVER value and is empty after logon.
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| 12:37 | <Hyperbyte> Joanet, I have something similar, but didn't put it in S00-guest-session.
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| 12:38 | Joanet, why are you trying to get $LDM_SERVER after login?
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| 12:38 | <Joanet> to validate where is connecting the fat client to run the script
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| 12:39 | I think it will get the LTSP server, not the fat client name
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| 12:40 | but I can't ckeck it
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| 12:40 | Hyperbyte: how do you do it?
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| 14:33 | <Hyperbyte> Joanet, I still don't understand. What are you trying to do?
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| 14:55 | <Velyks> Hallo. Quick question. Whats the general compatibility with commercial thin clients (especially dated ones) with LTSP (Probably ubuntu)
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| 14:56 | I'm lookg to snag a couple of Fujitsu FURO S100's cheap off of ebay, and I'm wondering if I'm going to run into compatibility issues.
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| 14:59 | <Hyperbyte> Velyks, LTSP supports any hardware the Linux kernel supports. I know that's not a very useful answer right now, but you need to check chipset compatibilty against distro you're going to use LTSP with (probably Ubuntu, as you stated).
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| 14:59 | <Velyks> Nope. THat clears up a lot. As the thin client comes with an embedded version of linux, is this a good indication that it would be supported/
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| 15:00 | <Hyperbyte> Velyks, I honestly can't say.
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| 15:01 | It should, but I don't know what kind of Linux it comes with, what version, etc....
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| 15:01 | <Velyks> It's a VIA Eden CPU
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| 15:01 | <Hyperbyte> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.terminal-server.general/30595
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| 15:01 | Google is your friend, really...
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| 15:02 | <Velyks> It is. I was unsure what to google. This has cleared it up.
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| 15:02 | I should be looking for something x86 ish then.
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| 15:03 | <Hyperbyte> For reference, I Googled for "Ubuntu 12.04" "VIA Eden"
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| 15:04 | <Velyks> So as long as the thin client is compatible with the same OS as what LTSP is running on, all should be good?
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| 15:04 | <Hyperbyte> According to alkisg it could work with Debian, but if you haven't bought them yet it might be worth investing in other clients.
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| 15:05 | Velyks, yes. LTSP is just regular Linux. Only difference is the boot medium.
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| 15:05 | <Velyks> rgr
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| 15:05 | <Hyperbyte> Speaking of boot medium - make sure your thin client supports PXE.
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| 15:06 | I didn't see it with the specs of the FUTRO S100... would be weird if it didn't support it still, but it's not listed.
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| 15:06 | <Velyks> Is that mandatory, or a convenience?
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| 15:06 | <workingcats> Velyks, not necessary (pre-installed linux being a good indicator). see android for extreme examples. often drivers are supplied only as (possibly illegal) binary files that will only work with a specific kernel version
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| 15:07 | <Hyperbyte> Velyks, PXE = booting over network. Sure you could find other ways to boot your thin clients, such as booting from USB stick or flashing the internal ROM, but yeah... I'd call it a mandatory convenience, from an IT manager standpoint. ;-)
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| 15:08 | <workingcats> well depends on the size of your deployment.. if you "only" have a few dozen clients i dont really see a problem with usb boot
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| 15:08 | <Hyperbyte> Virtually all thin clients should support it, but I thought it was weird that it wasn't listed for the Fujitsu.
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| 15:09 | <workingcats> but i agree, i'd be very surprised to see thin clients without pxe, it's like a car without seats
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| 15:09 | <Hyperbyte> workingcats, I have a few dozen clients. I sure as heck don't want to manage USB sticks. :)
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| 15:09 | But to each their own. :)
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| 15:09 | <workingcats> Hyperbyte, what's there to manage? ;)
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| 15:09 | you make an image and every time you get a new computer or a stick breaks you just dd it to the stick and done
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| 15:10 | <Hyperbyte> I can see people accidentally taking them with them, cleaning people damaging hem since they stick out, hassle of having to dd them....
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| 15:10 | That. What you just said. That's to manage.
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| 15:10 | <workingcats> make them internal :)
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| 15:10 | <Hyperbyte> I prefer designing systems so that they require as little intervention from me as possible. ;-)
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| 15:10 | <workingcats> hehe
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| 15:12 | <Velyks> Hyperbyte: Trying to snag some cheap job lots off of ebay for use in a hackspace
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| 15:14 | <Hyperbyte> Velyks, you know you can use -any- regular PC with the ability to PXE boot as thin client, right? :)
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| 15:14 | <Velyks> I can't grab any pc for £10 a unit :D
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| 15:15 | <Hyperbyte> Heh
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| 15:15 | <Velyks> Also, size/power usage is an issue
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| 15:15 | <workingcats> Velyks, true, but you can probably get them free
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| 15:15 | <Velyks> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOB-LOT-of-22-x-Cranberry-SC20-MINI-Computer-Thin-Client-Terminal-1GB-RAM-incVAT-/111116323719?pt=UK_Computing_Thin_Clients&hash=item19df0c8b87 Currently looking at these. But a lack of powersupplies are an issue.
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| 15:15 | <workingcats> and you certainly can get them that price without shipping
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| 15:16 | <Velyks> workingcats: Unfortunatly we threw all our old P4's out :(
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| 15:16 | <workingcats> ah, P4s. shouldve kept them and thrown out the building heating :D
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| 15:17 | PSUs like that shouldnt cost more than 5 or 10 quid
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| 15:25 | <Velyks> Has anyone here had any success with Sunrays with LTSP?
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| 19:22 | <smurf> Hi...running LTSP 12.0.4 LTS, fat client....looking for a way to create common (default) desktop for users. Users are AD authenticated, using Centrify
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| 19:23 | I have copied home folder to /etc/skel, but it does not seem to take
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| 19:27 | <Smurf1> Hi, got chopped off there for a minute....not sure if my Q on how to set a common desktop for LTSP fat clients made it to you all...
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| 19:28 | <vagrantc> it did
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| 19:29 | <Smurf1> vagrantc - do you have any thoughts on how to do that?
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| 19:36 | <vagrantc> nope
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| 19:47 | <emilia> Hey everyone, just wanted to check in for a solution for a issue I was discussing here the other day. Where my Ubuntu ltsp clients would ignore lts.conf
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| 19:49 | <eldaria> it seems that the clients where looking for the file in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf however, since I had created a amd64 client, I did not have a dirctory i386 but a amd64, so I created the directory and moved the conf file there, and now it is working.
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| 19:50 | <Hyperbyte> Interesting bug
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| 19:51 | <eldaria> Yup, I found it after finding out how to enable more detaioled tftp logs, ;-)
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| 19:52 | <eldaria> still have one outstanding issue though, tried to search for it, but came up empty, also a very strange issue. Perhaps someone here has seen it.
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| 19:53 | When playing back video files, they are black with only sound. however there is a nice twist to it. If I move the window around I can see the video playing smoothly, until I stop moving it around then it turns black again.
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| 19:54 | Same thing with both Totem and vlc
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| 19:54 | <kev_j> Hey all, when pulseaudio loads should it create a file in tmp everytime? (assuming you are troubleshooting no sound and have the setting sound=true and default of sound-daemon=pulse)
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| 19:56 | <eldaria> kev_J: Just had a look in my /tmp and indeed I have couple of pulse-rAndOM
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| 19:58 | <kev_j> I have most, but am missing one, and that terminal is having intermittent audio problems
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| 19:58 | <vagrantc> eldaria: it's defined in your dhcpd.conf which file it sends
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| 19:59 | it doesn't autodetect which file to send
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| 19:59 | we're planning to redesign the configuration system for future versions
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| 20:03 | <eldaria> vagrantc: when you say dhcpd.conf do you mean "/etc/dnsmasq.d/ltsp.conf"
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| 20:08 | <vagrantc> eldaria: sure, your dhcp server configuration... sounds like you're using dnsmasq
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| 20:12 | <eldaria> vagrantc: yup, my network uses a router for dhcp, so found a guide for setting up a ProxyDHCP, and as far as I can see I changed all instances of i386 to amd64, but it still seems to look for the file in a i386 directory. http://pastebin.com/sh1KymHL
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| 20:16 | <vagrantc> you've restarted dnsmasq?
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| 20:19 | <eldaria> Oh yes, several times, the whole server has been retsarted a few times. ;-)
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| 20:28 | <kev_j> been a while since I worked with it, but could it be a inetd or xinetd issue?
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| 20:30 | or tftpboot issue?
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| 20:31 | (those two were directed at eldaria's problem.. not mine)
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| 20:33 | <vagrantc> it's dhcp
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| 20:40 | <eldaria> well, the workaround with creating a i386 directory is ok for me. ;-) It is only to boot an old laptop, that my daughter can use, and for me to learn about ltsp. Now I just need to figure out the black screen video playback. That is an odd one. Booting a Virtualbox on another computer to test if it is a Graphic card issue.
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| 20:40 | <vagrantc> you could also probably symlink i386 to amd64
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| 20:40 | <eldaria> vagrantc: doh, why did I not think of that.. lol
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| 20:41 | will test it.
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| 20:41 | ok video is playing back fine on the Virtualbox Image, so something local with the client.
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| 20:41 | <vagrantc> some tftp servers are fussy with symlinks, but dnsmasq is forgiving
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| 20:45 | <eldaria> by the way, is there a way of having persistent sessions? On a previous workplace we had a 3-screen sunray terminals setup. and you had a card, when you took the card out and moved to another station, you took your session with you. is that possible with ltsp?
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| 20:48 | <vagrantc> i've tested support for that using LDM_NOMAD=true and xrdp on the server, but it doesn't have all the features (sound/localdev)
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| 20:48 | it's been a long time since i've tested it, though
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| 20:49 | <eldaria> hmm, ok will read up on it, it was just a thought. ;-)
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| 20:50 | symlink worked. ;-)
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| 20:53 | <kev_j> so sound (seems like it) works if we leave "pulseaudio volume control" open... if we close it it stops (most, if not all, of the time) and if we don't open it when the computer start it stops working. But only on that machine. I am a bit stumped
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| 20:54 | could it be something else taking control of the sound card if it is not being accessed at that time
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| 20:54 | ?
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| 20:56 | <eldaria> hmm, I was able to test a few things using a live cd/dvd, do you get the same behaviour? It could be that it is not related to ltsp, but rather pulse audio?
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| 21:21 | <unkmar> okay, going in circles. that took less than 5 minutes.
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| 21:22 | I can of course install pidgin. but that appears to install the kitchen sink. so, what is a good lightweight xmpp chat client?
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| 21:23 | I looked at jabber. However could figure out how to install client. NOT server.
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| 21:24 | *couldn't. Well, not without tinkering and messing things up.
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| 21:35 | <jaredwCS> I'm having difficulty getting my Ubuntu 12.04 fat clients to automount usb sticks. I've followed the 'debug localdev' guide, and I don't think the udev rules are firing, as the fstab is not being created.
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| 21:36 | I can manually mount them with a root shell
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| 21:39 | http://pastebin.com/SpmqrSrn is what udevsdm monitor shows when my usb stick is inserted
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| 21:40 | If anyone can point me in the right direction I'd be grateful
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| 22:14 | <eldaria> Pffft.. it took a while to test my black screen issue using a live disk. Trying to boot the Edubuntu Live DVD on a laptop with only 1GB ram, and no Swap takes a long time. and then trying to install the video and audio plugins to play a video, nope did not work. I had to dig out a USB stick and create a swap partition on it. then I could install the plugins, still took ages. But at least I could confirm that the black screen
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| 22:14 | issue is not related to ltsp. Same thing from a live dvd.
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| 22:21 | Yay, doing a search without ltsp revealed solution #13 from this thread on launchpad. https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+question/166706 it worked.
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| 22:46 | <unkmar> I give up. I guess pidgin can just use up what little ram is left and crash the thin clients.
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