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Channel log from 3 January 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:42 | <jammcq> howdie
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| 08:43 | <ogra> yo
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| 08:43 | <cliebow> Hoo
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| 08:44 | ogra: you double boot your ibook? mac and ubuntu?
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| 08:45 | <ogra> nope
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| 08:45 | i double boot my ibook dapper/feisty .... no macos anywhere
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| 08:46 | <cliebow> just wondered what there was to it
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| 08:47 | <ogra> you add the other os to /etc/yaboot.conf and run ybin
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| 08:47 | thats all
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| 09:41 | <g333k_work> Hi there!
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| 09:41 | jammcq, are you there?
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| 09:49 | <r3zon8> got a question g333k?
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| 09:52 | <g333k_work> Yep. I want to know if ltsp 5 is now avaiable for using local devices + local apps ?
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| 09:55 | <jammcq> g333k_work: LTSP-5 exists in Ubuntu and Debian, and local devices works, but no local apps yet
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| 09:56 | <g333k_work> jammcq, What should I use debian or ubuntu? I mean in which distro is ltsp more integrated?
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| 09:56 | <jammcq> umm
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| 09:57 | I prefer Ubuntu, but debian is doing well too. You'd have to ask Vagrantc if local devices are working properly in debian right now
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| 10:01 | <g333k_work> jammcq, Ok I will continue using ubuntu then.... besides I'm a Debian fan
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| 10:02 | <efra> Morning everybody
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| 10:42 | <ogra> jammcq, ping
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| 11:59 | <jammcq> ogra: hey
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| 12:15 | <ogra> jammcq, i was pinged by someone who looks for a thin client HW vendor who also gives support in spain ... does disklessworkstations do that ?
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| 13:43 | <joebaker> Is there a howto for installing LTSP on Ubuntu Edgy 6.10 in the Meukow approach? Maybe this is it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto
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| 13:45 | <ogra> nope, thats old
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| 13:46 | joebaker, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 13:46 | <joebaker> Thanks Ogra
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| 13:48 | <gigabytes> ogra can I ask a question?
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| 13:48 | <ogra> sure
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| 13:48 | <gigabytes> using a kubuntu server system to run ltsp as explained in that tutorial
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| 13:48 | <ogra> right
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| 13:48 | <gigabytes> is better then using the default ltsp distribution on a debian system?
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| 13:49 | <ogra> its pretty similar ... debian is lacking some pieces like local device support etc
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| 13:49 | <gigabytes> better in terms of easy management
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| 13:49 | <ogra> but essentially the code is the same
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| 13:50 | management is surely easier in ltsp5
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| 13:50 | <gigabytes> ogra: but it is more easy with an ubuntu server to obtain the system working without troubles, right?
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| 13:50 | <ogra> simply because it detects everything automatically
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| 13:50 | <gigabytes> ogra: ltsp5 is that in ubuntu, isn't it?
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| 13:50 | <ogra> yep
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| 13:50 | <gigabytes> but then
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| 13:50 | I have a debian server setup with ltsp 4.2
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| 13:50 | <ogra> around feisty we'll make it the official release ...
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| 13:51 | debian uses the 5 version as well beginning with etch
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| 13:51 | <gigabytes> and then debian and ubuntu packages will be the same?
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| 13:51 | <ogra> and 4.2 wont get developed further, the future is ltsp5 and distro integration
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| 13:51 | they are already
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| 13:52 | if you apt-get install ltsp-server in debian sid, you get the same packages
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| 13:52 | but different autodetection etc ...
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| 13:52 | the debian specifics instead of the buntu ones ...
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| 13:53 | <gigabytes> but then... right now is it a good choice to reinstall the debian server with ubuntu and use the ubuntu's packages?
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| 13:54 | <ogra> with edgy there is no reason why you shouldnt use the ltsp 5 version ...
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| 13:54 | only if you use rdesktop i'd really recommend the 4.2 one ...
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| 13:54 | rdesktop isnt tested or greatly integrated in edgy ... that will change in feisty...
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| 13:55 | <gigabytes> ogra: so do you suggest me to reinstall the debian server with kubuntu?
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| 13:56 | <ogra> why do you wnat to reinstall at all ?
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| 13:56 | i mean, why do you want to change if its working fine ?
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| 13:56 | <gigabytes> because it isn't working very fine :D
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| 13:57 | <ogra> ah
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| 13:57 | <gigabytes> ogra: I've problem with local devices and with desktop integration
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| 13:57 | <ogra> well, i'd go with kubuntu + ltsp then ...
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| 13:57 | (ubuntu ltsp)
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| 13:57 | <gigabytes> the kubuntu default KDE configuration is very kind
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| 13:58 | ogra: do you suggest me to wait for feisty before to reinstall?
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| 13:59 | <ogra> no, edgy s fine
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| 14:00 | <gigabytes> ogra: i'm not used to ubuntu
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| 14:00 | is the upgrade easy?
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| 14:00 | from a relese to another
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| 14:00 | <ogra> sure
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| 14:00 | just make sure to not skip one
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| 14:00 | and dont use thurd party tools like automatix, then the upgrade path is guaranteed to work right
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| 14:01 | <gigabytes> what is automatix?
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| 14:01 | <ogra> an evil script that pokes around in your configs ... its helpful if you want automated installation of codecs etc ...
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| 14:02 | <gigabytes> ah ok
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| 14:02 | but I don't want/need codecs :D
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| 14:02 | <ogra> but doing it by hand isnt significantly more complicated
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| 14:02 | <gigabytes> I need only a basic ltsp install with local device support
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| 14:02 | and nothing else
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| 14:02 | <ogra> so you only trade upgradeability with short term comfortability
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| 14:03 | well, then i'd even take edubuntu and install kubuntu-desktop on it ... edubutu guarantees that everything ltsp related works out of the box
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| 14:03 | <gigabytes> what desktop is the edubuntu default?
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| 14:03 | <ogra> gnome
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| 14:04 | but with kde bits
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| 14:04 | <gigabytes> but can I remove gnome from the system?
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| 14:05 | <ogra> indeed yu could .... but then i would go the kubuntu way ...
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| 14:05 | why not spent the little diskspace for the comfortable and easy istall
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| 14:05 | *spend
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| 14:05 | *install
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| 14:06 | <gigabytes> what difference between edubuntu and plain ubuntu?
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| 14:06 | <ogra> iD just keep gnome on the disk and install kubuntu-desktop on top .... kde will automatically becoe the default desktop anyway
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| 14:06 | edubuntu has different artwork, educatioanl apps in the desktop and the very deeply integrated tsp
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| 14:07 | *ltsp
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| 14:07 | anyway, diner time
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| 14:07 | *dinner
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| 14:10 | <gigabytes> bye ogra
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| 14:10 | thanks
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| 14:36 | <XiXaQ> Can a Windows pc be used as a LTSP client over the internet?
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| 14:42 | <joebaker> XiXaQ: Look at http://www.nomachine.com
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| 14:42 | <XiXaQ> I know about nomachine and 2x. Is ltsp based on nx?
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| 14:44 | <joebaker> No, LTSP isn't based on nx. But...
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| 14:44 | NX is based upon a compression of the X protocol. So they are related.
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| 14:46 | When you mention a "Windows PC" I'm assuming that you want it booted into Windows, but that you want access to a Linux Desktop somewhere else over the Internet.
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| 14:46 | <XiXaQ> right.
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| 14:47 | <joebaker> There is a version called FreeNX which offers this functionality when matched with the Nomachine client.
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| 14:48 | XiXaQ: what were you hoping to get from LTSP for your remote (over the Internet) Windows PC?
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| 14:49 | Maybe this is a growing need. Some small distro like dsl (Damn Small Linux) with a NX Client.
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| 14:49 | <XiXaQ> enabling employees to work from home without converting to linux, for instance.
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| 14:50 | <joebaker> I think the NoMachine soulution would be perfect don't you?
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| 14:50 | <XiXaQ> well, 2X seems better, except they don't provide debs yet.
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| 14:50 | <joebaker> Maybe a live cd that they would boot off of from home to avoid keyboard sniffers.
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| 14:51 | <XiXaQ> but I'm always considering alternatives. I didn't know if ltsp would be.
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| 14:51 | <ogra> i isnt ...
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| 14:51 | <joebaker> I havn't heard much about 2x except for seeing their ads on distrowatch.com all the time.
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| 14:51 | <ogra> ltsp is the integration of the bootprocess, a minilinux runng on the client and X forwarding
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| 14:51 | not really taking the internet into account ...
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| 14:51 | <XiXaQ> joebaker, it seems more mature than nomachine.
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| 14:52 | <ogra> nomacine is surely your best option for internet desktop forwarding
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| 14:52 | <XiXaQ> ogra, how about bandwidth?
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| 14:52 | <ogra> i dont think 2x will get to the performance you get with nx
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| 14:52 | actually nothing will
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| 14:52 | <XiXaQ> ogra, 2x uses nx..
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| 14:53 | <ogra> nx is the best tool for that task ...
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| 14:53 | well ... then use 2x if you like it ...
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| 14:53 | <XiXaQ> so ltsp is not suited for over-the-internet thin-client computing?
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| 14:54 | <ogra> but if you say 2x *uses* nx, hw can it be more mature then the underlying technology ?
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| 14:54 | <XiXaQ> the nx base is gpl.
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| 14:54 | <ogra> over-the-internet thin-client computing is not the purpose of ltsp ... you can surely hack it to be a monster like that :)
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| 14:54 | its only some 100k of shellscripts ...
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| 14:55 | <XiXaQ> 2x has alot more tools and their own client. I think they even have a native windows client. There have been lots of problems with nomachines windows client.
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| 14:55 | <ogra> (at least ltsp 5)
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| 14:55 | <XiXaQ> oh, I see.
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| 14:55 | <joebaker> 2x seems to also offer technologies for exporting Windows applications to thin clients in conjunction with Windows Terminal services. So maybe 2x has jumped onto NoMachine's GPL code so they can also offer this sort of technology as well from Linux servers.
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| 14:56 | I'm on NoMachine's announcement list. They seem to fully disclose problems they've addressed in each release. The list is pretty long some times.
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| 14:56 | <XiXaQ> yes, they deliver rdp, vnc, nx and citrix.
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| 15:00 | joebaker, I think the biggest problem is because of cygwin.
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| 15:01 | <joebaker> XiXaQ: I noticed cygwin dlls referenced in the install I did today of Nomachine's windows client. I had to install an older version of the client to work with a freenx version that I found for Ubuntu dapper. The latest Windows client wouldn't work with the freenx version that I found.
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| 15:02 | <joebaker> Is there a free server version of 2x out there packaged for Ubuntu?
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| 15:03 | <XiXaQ> no, they don't have debs yet. I think all their products are free, except citrix versions..
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| 15:04 | joebaker, you need to use a 1.5 client in order to connect to freenx.
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| 15:04 | platform is irrelevant.
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| 15:04 | <joebaker> tar.gz files wouldn't be bad either. Have you installed them from the tar files?
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| 15:04 | <XiXaQ> not yet. I'm using freenx atm, but as I said, I'm looking for alternatives. 2X seems like a good one.
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| 15:04 | <joebaker> Yes, I'm running a 1.5 client successfully against freenx. I havn't tried file sharing or sound forwarding at this point.
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| 15:05 | What's "atm"
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| 15:05 | <XiXaQ> at the moment.
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| 15:05 | <joebaker> duh.... Sometimes I'm dense to the obvious.
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| 15:06 | <XiXaQ> sound forwarding is strange.
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| 15:06 | is works some of the time, but not always.
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| 15:23 | <rstory> hello.. anyone using multiple keyboard layouts w/ltsp 4.2 (w/fc5 xdm login host, if it matters)
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| 15:23 | oh, and kde ...
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| 15:24 | i found this thread (http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg27414.html), but the proposed solution is not working for me..
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| 15:39 | <pscheie> jammcq: are you there?
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| 15:40 | <jammcq> hey
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| 15:42 | <pscheie> someone just posted a message to the k12ltsp list about trying to load a cs4236 sound module;
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| 15:42 | <jammcq> ok
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| 15:42 | <pscheie> I figured I'd answer him, but wanted to check my facts first
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| 15:42 | the path to the module he lists is that of the server
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| 15:43 | but for sound modules on the client, one must use the modules built for clients, correct?
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| 15:43 | IOW, the modules of the server's OS are completely irrelevant
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| 15:46 | <jammcq> the server kernel+modules is completely irrevelant
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| 15:47 | keep in mind, the server can even be a different architecture
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| 15:48 | <pscheie> right, that's what I was thinking (but was not certain)
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| 15:48 | now, there is a module in the ltsp path that may work for him:
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| 15:48 | ls lib/modules/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/
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| 15:49 | <jammcq> well, as long as he's using the 2.6.17.3-ltsp-1 kernel, that module should be fine
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| 15:49 | <pscheie> that is, /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/
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| 15:49 | <jammcq> but.... why do you care about the path?
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| 15:49 | when you specify a module, using 'MODULE_xx = yyyyy', you don't specify a path
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| 15:50 | you just use the name of the module (without the extension)
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| 15:50 | <pscheie> my mistake: the error lists the path; I thought he was specifying it
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| 15:50 | <pscheie> he's trying to load it with 'modprobe snd-cs4236'
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| 15:51 | but it says
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| 15:51 | <jammcq> yeah, I see his email
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| 15:51 | <pscheie> FATAL: Error inserting snd_cs4236 (/lib/modules/2.6.17-1.2157_FC5smp/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4236.ko): No such device
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| 15:51 | <jammcq> the 'no such device' is telling us that the driver that he's trying to load is probably the wrong driver
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| 15:51 | <pscheie> so, that suggests that the driver he's trying to load isn't finding hardware to talk to, right?
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| 15:52 | <jammcq> it could be that he needs to specify irq and ioaddr for that. it's ISA afterall
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| 15:52 | <g333k> Hi... I am connecting more terminals to my ltsp server but I have received a message telling me that I have reached the maximum limit of connections, is that possible?
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| 15:52 | <pscheie> If it were I, I'd load knoppix and see what it thinks the sound chip is
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| 15:52 | <jammcq> yep
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| 15:52 | that would be a good plan
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| 15:53 | <pscheie> ok, thanks (thus ends this part of petre's sound education for today)
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| 15:53 | <g333k> jammcq, any clue for my question?
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| 15:54 | <jammcq> who's telling you max limit ?
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| 15:55 | <g333k> jammcq, I think xdmcp
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| 15:56 | <jammcq> g333k: assuming you are using gdm, you'll need to edit your gdm.conf file and increase the limit. the default is 16
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| 15:57 | <g333k> jammcq, I'm using gdm
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| 15:57 | <pscheie> on FC5
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| 15:59 | <g333k> jammcq, Ok I edited this line to: MaxSessions=200
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| 15:59 | <jammcq> there ya go
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| 15:59 | * pscheie has a /etc/gdm/custom.conf | |
| 15:59 | <jammcq> you'll need to restart gdm, which will cause all of your current users to get kicked off
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| 16:00 | <g333k> jammcq, ok I did it
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| 17:08 | <mage> would nfs be good for a diskless workstation that runs its own apps?
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| 19:01 | <daniQ> firefox keeps crashing...i can't even check my e-mail on the ubuntu side...i just updated to edgy and i'm not enjoying it...please help
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| 19:01 | i think it's a flash player issue...
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| 19:22 | <jammcq> :)
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| 19:50 | <rjune> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc
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