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Channel log from 7 November 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:17 | <lee> hrm, if the only change that I make is that I comment out SCREEN_07=kiosk in lts.conf then I can login to the LTSP, but if it's not commented out I get that error... without log files how can I troubleshoot that?
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| 00:35 | <lee> ( should mention: gvy: 'ps auxww
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| 00:36 | (I should mention: gvy: 'ps auxww | grep -i x' doesn't show anything)
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| 00:40 | aha! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/816139 fixes it, but alksig has tagged it as fixed (but the same fixed, deleting ${X_ARGS}, just worked for me)
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| 13:55 | <johnsonmlw> Hi all. Running ubuntu 12.04. We operate two types of hardware as clients. One type does not switch off when asked to shutdown. It hangs (leaving 32 machines on in our computer suite). I have tried appending acpi=force to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 16:09 | <vmlintu> alkisg: hi
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> hi vmlintu, how's it going?
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| 16:10 | <vmlintu> alkisg: good, doing some ltsp hacking again after a while
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| 16:10 | alkisg: I was wondering how I should prepare/send patches for ltsp?
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> vmlintu: attach a patch or a branch merge to a launchpad bug report
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| 16:11 | !ltsp-bug
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| 16:11 | <ltsp> ltsp-bug: To file a bug report for upstream LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> !ubuntu-bug
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| 16:11 | <ltsp> ubuntu-bug: To file a bug report for Ubuntu LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp
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| 16:11 | <vmlintu> should it be one feature per branch?
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| 16:12 | <alkisg> That would be better, yeah, unless they're closely related features
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| 16:12 | <vmlintu> ok.. I try to remember again how bzr works
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| 16:13 | <alkisg> You don't need bzr to create patches, but if you've worked with it before, it does make generating the patches/debdiffs/branches easier
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| 16:14 | <vmlintu> I used bzr before, but then we switched to git
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| 16:14 | <vmlintu> But before I create any patches regarding chroot creation, did you have a look at this: http://marc.info/?l=ltsp-discuss&m=135187945718299&w=2 ?
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| 16:15 | Does it sound sensible?
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| 16:16 | <alkisg> I've heard about puppet before but I've never used it, I think some other LTSP devs have though, so it'd be better if you asked them instead of me... even via a bug report
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| 16:17 | <vmlintu> How do you manage the desktop settings in your setups?
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| 16:17 | highvoltage said that they use bcfg2 which is similar to puppet. I did some googling and there are some puppet rules for ltsp usage around.
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> Basically we ship an ubuntu live cd which contains gnome-fallback etc preinstalled + preselected
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| 16:20 | Then, sch-scripts takes care of some packages + settings, and can even update them with new versions,
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| 16:21 | and lastly, for school-local settings, we propose mandatory gconf/dgconf settings, so that they cannot be overridden by students
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| 16:21 | <vmlintu> ok, so you have your own tools to do the same
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| 16:23 | well, I'll prepare a branch with the plugin and examples so people can try it out
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| 16:24 | <alkisg> Btw, I'm not using ltsp-build-client anymore at all... so I'm not active in that part of the code
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| 16:24 | <vmlintu> you are using only ltsp-pnp?
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| 16:24 | <alkisg> Yeah
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| 16:25 | <vmlintu> This would pretty much do the same as the puppet rules can be used to configure the server also
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| 16:25 | So one could use the same rules with ltsp-built-client or with ltsp-pnp
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| 16:27 | Btw, how do you get nvidia and fglrx to work together with ltsp-pnp?
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| 16:27 | <alkisg> If one needs specialized hardware, he can have a template client where he generates the image
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| 16:28 | But generally we don't install proprietary drivers except for smartboards
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| 16:29 | Some drivers as so dumb that they won't even get through the installation if they don't see the hardware present... having a template client works around that
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| 16:29 | <vmlintu> ok.. we've been using hacked versions that configure nvidia/fglrx during boot time and they are both installed in the chroot image
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| 16:29 | <alkisg> For nvidia and fglrx, I'm hoping that in 14.04 they'll be able to coexist with all the other xorg drivers without problems
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| 16:30 | I've been thinking about that, but don't you also need a different initramfs image?
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| 16:30 | AFAIK nvidia puts some stuff in the initramfs for plymouth etc...
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| 16:30 | <vmlintu> no, we have just one image and initramfs
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| 16:31 | <alkisg> So I didn't want to take the time to make wrapper scripts for all that... but if you did, they could probably be accepted upstream, even if in distro-specific subdirs...
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| 16:31 | <vmlintu> the problem with those is that one needs to run ldconfig at boottime so it slows it a bit
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| 16:32 | <vmlintu> Basically the packages we have work only with traditional ltsp images. I'd guess that they'd break also in ltsp-pnp model
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| 16:32 | <alkisg> Isn't it possible to just mv the nvidia files if they're not used?
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| 16:34 | The way I was thinking was to have the nvidia/fglrx glx libraries dpkg-diverted, and then mv or symlink them in the correct place from init-ltsp.d
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| 16:34 | <vmlintu> nvidia replaces some libraries with its own files, so one needs to run ldconfig
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> dpkg-divert won't get past that?
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| 16:35 | <vmlintu> not before at least.. I actually haven't tried that with really new versions, but used the old method
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> Anyways, I think I'll wait until all the proprietary drivers can be installed alongside other drivers, and only activated if the hardware is present
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| 16:36 | So then we'll be able to install all nvidia-* versions, not just -current
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> As many schools need older nvidia-* drivers
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| 16:37 | <vmlintu> having them behaving well with others would be really nice
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| 16:37 | <alkisg> I wonder if it can be done from the debian/ubuntu packaging, or if some paths are hardcoded upstream in the blob..
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| 16:40 | <vmlintu> don't really know that..
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| 16:40 | I have to get going now, though..
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| 16:40 | thanks!
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> yw!
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| 17:21 | <lee> hey alkisg
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| 17:22 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/816139 seems to be affecting me (following that workaround allows me into X), should I open a bug?
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| 17:34 | <alkisg> lee: that "no longer affects" just means that it's an upstream bug, not an ltsp bug
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| 17:34 | So the bug is still open... I'm guessing no developer had time to test the kiosk mode since it was filed
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| 17:35 | *not an ubuntu bug, sorry
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| 17:36 | I don't know why the kiosk mode would need a xorg config file, so someone should look into fixing the bug, removing xargs isn't a proper solution
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| 17:37 | <lee> ahh, ok
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| 18:32 | <johnsonmlw> It is ok to run a different kernel in the client image than the server? i.e. 3.2.0-23 in the client and 3.2.0-32 in the server? If so, do I just (i) chroot into the image and apt-get install the kernel, then (ii) ltsp-update-kernels?
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| 18:37 | <vagrantc> should be no pproblem
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| 18:38 | i'd recommend using "ltsp-chroot apt-get install linux-image-FOO" ; ltsp-update-kernels
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| 18:39 | <johnsonmlw> thank you - I'm trying to troubleshoot a pesky poweroff hanging problem on some of the clients. I'll give this a shot tomorrow.
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| 18:39 | point noted about ltsp-chroot tool
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| 18:40 | do you ltsp-update-image after? or no need?
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| 18:50 | <vagrantc> depends on what version you're running...
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| 19:19 | <davidstrauss> vagrantc: I'm getting "Makefile.am: required file `./ChangeLog' not found" when trying to build ltspfs trunk. Is there anything I can do to help get it back to building?
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| 19:20 | I'm building on Fedora 17.
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| 19:20 | vagrantc: I'm pinging you since you seem to be the key committer to the FS trunk
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| 19:20 | :-)
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| 19:20 | <vagrantc> there are many others...
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| 19:21 | you need to generate the changelog, using mkdst
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| 19:22 | <davidstrauss> vagrantc: Sorry if I'm targeting you inappropriately. The branch I found on Launchpad only seemed to have commits from you in the last year.
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| 19:50 | <vagrantc> davidstrauss: that doesn't seem likely...
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| 20:13 | <vagrantc> davidstrauss: but glad to hear someone's attempting to take care of Fedora
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| 20:18 | <ltspuser_02> does anybody installed edubuntu 12.04 ltsp in a virtualized environment like proxmox ve?
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| 20:20 | i did it but i do not understand why do i get low performance after a while the system function with only one or two users
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| 20:20 | is this suppose to happen?
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| 20:21 | i reserved 2 sockets each with 2 cores and 3 gb of ram for the ltsp
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| 20:21 | but i get no good performance for the users connected to it
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| 20:28 | <||cw> ltspuser_02: how many core on the host?
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| 20:28 | and 4+GB ram on the host? other vm's running?
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| 20:59 | <dhani> hello, help me pls .. iam installing root server for ltsp-cluster following this howto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSP-Cluster and iam stuck at configuration with the firefox .. how to run firefox on ubuntu server according to this how to? .. thanks
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| 22:16 | <dead_inside> what part are you stuck on dhani?
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| 23:13 | <kev_j> hey all, I updated to wheezy and had a lot of crap trouble, but I got it all back up, but now ltsp-update-image throws up errors about mksquashfs failed with memory corruption (I found something similar on google that said that proc was still mounted, but that has been fixed and it obviously auto unmounts it)
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| 23:14 | <vagrantc> do you explicitly want NBD support?
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| 23:14 | <kev_j> I think I want it
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| 23:15 | <vagrantc> might want to try with the defaults, get those working, and then work on NBD later.
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| 23:15 | <kev_j> yeah, true
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| 23:15 | how do I get it back to defaults?
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| 23:15 | <vagrantc> though that sounds like a pretty serious bug.
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| 23:15 | don't bother with ltsp-update-image
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| 23:16 | with wheezy, it should be fairly easy to switch back and forth between NFS and NBD
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| 23:17 | but the default install is for NFS
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| 23:18 | <kev_j> right, and I had switched it off of NFS
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| 23:18 | using ltsp-config
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| 23:18 | <vagrantc> i need to do some final testing of LTSP in wheezy, it's been a while since i've put it through it's paces.
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| 23:19 | <kev_j> well I probably messed a few things up in switching to wheezy, so... yeah
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| 23:20 | it will load ltsp but it does the "no server found" or whatever thing after typing the pass
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| 23:23 | although I have not had the chance to restart the system because the staff would bitch at me
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| 23:23 | more than they are...
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| 23:24 | <vagrantc> ah, you need to update the ssh keys
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| 23:24 | <kev_j> already tried that, but if I can't update the image that won't work will it?
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| 23:25 | <vagrantc> nope
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| 23:26 | <kev_j> so I don't know if this is how, but would this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=637926 switch it back to nfs? or just ignore it
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| 23:27 | this is what the last line says when it fails "/usr/sbin/ltsp-update-image: line 152: 21118 Aborted $nice $ionice mksquashfs "$cu_chroot" "$imgdir/$name.img.tmp" -no-recovery -noappend -wildcards ${EXCLUDE_FILE:+-ef "$EXCLUDE_FILE"} ${EXCLUDE:+-e "$EXCLUDE"} ${NO_COMPRESS:+-noF -noD -noI -no-exports}
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| 23:27 | mksquashfs failed to build the LTSP image, exiting"
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| 23:31 | <vagrantc> kev_j: no, it's changed in recent versions
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| 23:31 | kev_j: you don't want to delete that file anymore
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| 23:32 | <kev_j> ok... crap.... so how do I go about it? I couldn't find anything about it in ltsp-config
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| 23:32 | <vagrantc> kev_j: instead, edit it, and configure the BOOT_METHODS="NFS NBD"
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| 23:32 | and then: ltsp-chroot /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels ; ltsp-update-kernels
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| 23:40 | <kev_j> is there somewhere I can get a copy of it if I deleted it before I asked, or do I have to redo the build client thingy
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| 23:49 | <vagrantc> it's shipped as part of the ltsp-client-core package, so you could reinstall just that package to get a clean copy
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| 23:50 | <kev_j> so apt-get install -reinstall ltsp-client-core?
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| 23:51 | <vagrantc> ltsp-chroot apt-get install --reinstall ltsp-client-core
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| 23:51 | <kev_j> ohhh duh, thanks
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| 23:56 | <kev_j> hrm, so I don't know why, but ltsp-client-core didn't seem to get it back, but I accidentally installed it on the base system (probably why I should start using ltsp-chroot more often) and it put it on the base system
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