IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
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| 05:19 | <chupacabra> http://sxsweco.com/
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| 13:47 | <bakytn> Hello! Do you know why if I specify two parameters (-r sound:local and -r disk:) the sound doesn't work? It's happening only in LTSP for some reasons. On another Linux'es it's okay
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| 13:49 | if I don't use "-r disk:" sound works fine
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| 13:51 | <Hyperbyte> bakytn, is this via lts.conf or via Gnome?
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| 13:51 | <bakytn> Hyperbyte, via lts.conf
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| 13:51 | <Hyperbyte> Try it via Gnome, in a local xterm
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| 13:51 | !localxterm
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| 13:51 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: localxterm: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 13:52 | <bakytn> Hyperbyte, can't test it right away. But what if it works via localxterm?
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| 13:52 | Hyperbyte, what it could be then?
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| 13:52 | <Hyperbyte> Then it's LTSP related
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| 13:52 | If it doesn't work via local xterm either, it's rdesktop related.
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| 13:53 | <bakytn> Hyperbyte, but it works from the other Linux'es..so I can't contact rdesktop guys and users. May be anybody encountered this
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| 13:54 | <Hyperbyte> Check first if it's LTSP issue or rdesktop issue.
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| 13:54 | It could be related to some dependancy of rdesktop missing in the chroot, it could be due to the chroot having a different rdesktop version...
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| 13:54 | <bakytn> ok..
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| 13:54 | <Hyperbyte> On the other hand, it could be going wrong someowhere in the LTSP initialization scripts... etc.
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| 13:55 | <bakytn> chroot has different version, yes. Okay, will check
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| 13:55 | <Hyperbyte> If we have to guess where the problem is, we can be here for hours. :)
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| 13:56 | <bakytn> Hyperbyte, sure, I just thought may be I'm not alone on this and somebody already fixed this
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| 13:57 | <Hyperbyte> Maybe, but not me. :)
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| 14:38 | <txor> Hi
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| 14:39 | <txor> I started a client on openSUSE 11.4 LTSP and it shows two icons in the desktop, -loop0 and -loop0-loo0. Where they are created?
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| 14:41 | It's Gnome, maybe are they beign created by Gnome? The icons name are ltspfsmounter---loop0.desktop
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| 14:41 | Any hints on how to configure this behaviour?
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| 14:41 | <Hyperbyte> Seems like something done by LTSP local devices
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| 14:43 | When LTSP detects a local filesystem on the client, it tries to mount it on the server and create a link to it on the users' desktop
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| 14:43 | Not sure about loop0 or OpenSUSE though, stick around 'till someone comes along who does. There a few other OpenSUSE people in here, you could also try #kiwi-ltsp
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| 14:43 | <txor> The client does not have a phisical HD.
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| 14:44 | Oh ok I'll try there! Thxans a lot
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| 14:44 | Thanks**
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| 15:22 | <txor> Hyperbyte: Can you tell me which part of LTSP is responsable for automounting? Who launches ltspfsmounter? (I see the manuals about ltspfs)
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| 15:24 | I see that my problem is that those icons are wrong, they point to /media/.username/-loop0 and the real place is /tmp/.username/-loop0
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| 15:42 | <Hyperbyte> txor, that'd be ltspfs. But I'd ask someone who knows about SUSE, probably a lot better to get some good advice and a good solution, rather than hacking away 'till it works
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| 15:55 | <txor> Yes... But I hacked arround and I found the problem! :)
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| 15:57 | it's a hook, /etc/ltspfs/mounter.d/kde-desktop-icons I don't read deeply but was obious that it created the icons, I moved out the hook and the icons does not apper anymore, just an icon issue.
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| 15:58 | Maybe I can tell it a bug? My system is gnome and it created icons for KDE with wrong paths....
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| 15:59 | <txor> Hyperbyte: What do you think, I have to submit it to ltspfs developers?
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| 16:00 | <bakytn> txor, reading your conversation with Hyperbyte from irclogs. WHat was the problem?
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| 16:01 | <txor> Hi!
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| 16:02 | <bakytn> Hi
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| 16:04 | <txor> I started an LTSP on openSUSE 11.4 with gnome, and started the client, on the client desktop appeared two icons named ltspfsmounter---loop0.desktop and ltspfsmounter---loop0-loop0.desktop that doesn't work, they were pointing to /media/username/-loop0 and that is not the path, the path were on /tmp/.username-ltspfs....
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| 16:04 | <bakytn> and there were no USB devices attached?
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| 16:04 | <txor> not
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| 16:04 | <bakytn> do you have LOCALDEV set to true?
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| 16:05 | ok
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| 16:05 | <txor> wait a minute plz
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| 16:05 | where is that option?
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| 16:05 | <bakytn> lts.conf
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| 16:05 | <txor> lts.conf?
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| 16:05 | ok wait plz
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| 16:06 | LOCALDEV = True, yes
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| 16:06 | <bakytn> can you check with False value?
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| 16:06 | will they be mounted or not
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| 16:06 | you would have to restart your machine though
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| 16:06 | (client machine)
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> txor: O
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| 16:07 | I'd file a bug on opensuse for it
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| 16:07 | In upstream that file exists, but only as an example
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| 16:07 | <txor> ok I'll try now
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| 16:08 | alkisg: It seems a bug, yes.
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> txor: also mention in the bug report if you have KDE installed (even if you were using gnome at the time)
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| 16:10 | <txor> bakytn: I have to restart kiwi-ltsp-setup on a change at lts.conf¿
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| 16:10 | <bakytn> txor, no, only the client
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| 16:10 | <txor> alkisg: Sorry, you say that is already there a bug opened for that?
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| 16:10 | <bakytn> txor, btw, can you also check the contents for /etc/fstab?
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| 16:10 | txor, in the chroot's /etc/fstab i mean
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> txor: no, I'm saying that this bug would be specific to opensuse, not to upstream ltsp
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| 16:11 | <bakytn> and in server's /etc/fstab
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> So you'd need to file it in the kiwi-ltsp bug tracker
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| 16:11 | <txor> alkisg: ah! ok ok, the file creating the icons is at ltspfs package
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| 16:12 | bakytn: what I have to search in fstab? Any mention to ltspfs maybe?
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| 16:12 | <alkisg> txor, for example in Ubuntu: $ dpkg -L ltspfs | grep kde
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| 16:12 | /usr/share/doc/ltspfs/examples/kde-desktop-icons
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| 16:12 | It's just an example in Ubuntu, it doesn't affect anything
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| 16:12 | So if in your distro it's actually used in Gnome, it's a packaging problem
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| 16:13 | <bakytn> txor, yes, you can also comment out strange lines
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| 16:15 | <txor> Well, with LOCALDEV = false it's not happening, and the server is not mounting any ltspfs for the user I log.
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| 16:31 | <bakytn> txor, good, now check udev
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| 16:31 | chroot's /etc/udev
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| 16:31 | sorry I meant /etc/udev/rules.d
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| 16:31 | how much rules do you see?
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| 16:40 | <txor> "ls /etc/udev/rules.d/ | wc -l " returns 16
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| 16:40 | I was reading the bug at debian
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| 16:41 | For me the solution is obious, delete the kde-desktop-icons as the users don't need to browse the created virtual filesytem... May I can help you more?
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| 16:45 | <Guest19075> so I was using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup to set up some ppc clients but /etc/exports is empty??
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| 16:46 | <bakytn> txor, ok ok, no, thanks :D
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| 16:46 | txor, so have you removed that package?
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| 16:47 | ggg
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| 16:47 | <txor> bakytn: ltspfs package? Not!
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| 16:49 | bakytn: Hey I love to help the community!! :D
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| 16:52 | <bakytn> txor, why do you have so much udev rules? I have only two for example
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| 16:53 | txor, I'd dig into those rules
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| 16:53 | <txor> bakytn: I don't know, it's an openSUSE 11.4 ! What are you searching inside?
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| 16:53 | <bakytn> txor, you can also search in /etc/ folder with "find" and "grep" for the contents
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| 16:53 | for the ltspfs for example
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| 16:54 | <txor> what contents?
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| 16:54 | <bakytn> search for strings
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| 16:54 | loop--0?
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| 16:54 | etc
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| 16:54 | <Guest19075> any of you guys have expeirence with powerpc clients?
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| 16:54 | <txor> Guest19075: me not
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| 16:54 | <bakytn> gotta go, good luck all!
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| 17:00 | <txor> I also have to go, good luck and have fun!
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| 17:11 | <Guest19075> nadda on ppc? :(
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| 17:22 | <Guest19075> vagrantc: !
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| 17:24 | * vagrantc ponders who Guest19075 *might* be | |
| 17:24 | <Guest19075> vagrantc: Roasted if you remember.
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| 17:25 | vagrantc: I hear you've used powerpc clients???
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> Guest19075: only a little bit
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| 17:29 | Guest19075: we use an LTSP environment for wiping hard drives in powerpc machines
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| 17:29 | <knipwim> Guest19075: i'm looking to experiment on different client architectures
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| 17:29 | any suggestions on clients?
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| 17:30 | <vagrantc> haven't really used LTSP with powerpc for more typical thin client scenarios, but i have tested that it does work ... they may require a litlte more manual tweaking for X and such
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| 17:30 | <Guest19075> vagrantc: I see. We've been toying with LTSP for a while here and we have an absolute truckload of old mac hardware...
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| 17:30 | being able to utilize this old hardware for LTSP would be nothing short of a huge blessing
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| 17:32 | <vagrantc> Guest19075: the easiest way would be to install one environment natively, and then either run it just as the file server (NBD or NFS), or copy the images/files over to your usual server.
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| 17:32 | <Guest19075> vagrantc: I'm not sure I follow. What's the point of doing that if I already have an LTSP server?
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| 17:33 | <vagrantc> Guest19075: well, you can't build the environment on an alien architecture ... typically
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| 17:34 | Guest19075: however, with some magic, newer versions of qemu make that possible
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| 17:34 | <Guest19075> vagrantc: build the environment... aka the chroot?
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| 17:34 | <vagrantc> Guest19075: yes
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| 17:34 | <Guest19075> vagrantc: is it possible that I can install edubuntu ppc onto a mac... build a chroot through the standard ltsp-build-image --arch=powerpc (or whatever the full command was), build the chroot, and put it on my external drive and dump it back on the intel server?
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| 17:34 | vagrantc: then update image, update ssh keys, and call it a day?
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| 17:35 | or am I dreaming?
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| 17:35 | <vagrantc> Guest19075: yes, that should be possible
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| 17:35 | <Guest19075> you think that's all there is to it?
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| 17:35 | <vagrantc> Guest19075: you'll probably have to tweak your dhcp configuration to distinguish between the macs and non-macs, but yeah
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| 17:35 | <Guest19075> or would additional configuring be required?
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| 17:36 | <vagrantc> or just set up a mac-specific network, to keep it simple
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| 17:36 | <Guest19075> I have a feeling all of our clients would be ppc machines if we can get this to work.
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| 17:36 | however they'd be on the main network throughout the building
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| 17:37 | but a nice little vlan and perhaps that would make things more efficient
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| 17:37 | <vagrantc> Guest19075: with really recent versions of qemu-user-static on debian, you can just do --arch=powerpc on an i386 server and it "just works"
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| 17:38 | not sure if ubuntu has all the right hooks for that, though.
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| 17:38 | <Guest19075> vagrantc: for what... building the image?
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| 17:38 | taking out the need for a native ppc install to copy?
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| 17:38 | <vagrantc> Guest19075: yeah, with qemu-user-static, you don't even need to install on the native architecture
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| 17:38 | that's a pretty recent development, though
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| 17:39 | <Guest19075> vagrantc: so are you saying I (in theory) should be able to install debian + ltsp and set up ltsp like normal, except --arch=powerpc, and call it a day?
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| 17:39 | <vagrantc> Guest19075: yes, but not in the stable version of debian yet
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| 17:39 | and it still will require tweaks to dhcp
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| 17:39 | <Guest19075> do you know which version has it?
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| 17:39 | ah
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| 17:39 | so it's not completely fool proof
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| 17:40 | <vagrantc> not completely... but the hardest parts are done.
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| 17:40 | i wouldn't recommend that just yet, though
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| 17:40 | <Guest19075> what hard parts would be done?
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| 17:40 | all it would take away is the need for a native install
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| 17:40 | <vagrantc> building the image
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| 17:40 | native install + native server is the easiest most sure-fire way, although even that requires tweaking dhcp
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| 17:40 | <Guest19075> the native install is only to get the chroot copied, right? Once done I could nuke it and be done with it.
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| 17:41 | <vagrantc> native install + copying is probably your second easiest
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| 17:41 | <Guest19075> that's what I'm thinking to do
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| 17:41 | <vagrantc> native install is to *create* the chroot
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| 17:41 | <Guest19075> I'd like to stick with ubuntu 64 bit if at all possible.
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| 17:41 | I'd probably just install linux ppc on this powerbook, create the chroot, copy to external, and plop this laptop back on the shelf.
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| 17:41 | then plug the chroot into ltsp and update it.
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| 17:42 | I assume https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup has all of the dhcp tweaks I'd need?
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| 17:42 | <vagrantc> but then most maintenance has to be done on the native machine still... that's the downside ... you can't just chroot and upgrade packages and such
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| 17:42 | <Guest19075> I see. So I'd still have a need for it for future use.
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| 17:42 | But it's not like I'd have to have the PPC box sitting there, online, connected to LTSP
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| 17:43 | <vagrantc> yes, that's an option
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| 17:43 | <Guest19075> so then let me ask this
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| 17:43 | let's sya I have a 64 bit intel server with a powerpc chroot.
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| 17:43 | and I install audacity
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| 17:43 | <vagrantc> or just running a powerpc machine, but telling it to connect to a different application server (i.e.. your amd64 machine)
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| 17:43 | <Guest19075> traditionally audacity magically pops up on the thin clients radar as an accessible application
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| 17:43 | what happens if the chroot is ppc?
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| 17:44 | <vagrantc> Guest19075: as long as you're running thin clients, you're logged into the server. arch of the thin client doesn't matter.
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| 17:44 | <Guest19075> okay, good good
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| 17:44 | that will make it easier
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| 17:44 | <vagrantc> anyways, i'd best get to other things
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| 17:45 | hope that's helpful
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| 17:45 | <Guest19075> vagrantc: it was. you're the man.
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| 17:45 | thank you for your time
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| 18:59 | <dgroos> mgariepy: Finally got menus I wanted (and did the write up!)
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| 19:00 | The write up is the top entry at http://groosd.blogspot.com
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| 19:00 | Thanks for your help.
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| 19:01 | What are your thoughts about developing edubuntu-menueditor?
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| 19:01 | continue? drop?
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| 19:05 | <highvoltage> ooh, we should link to that from the edubuntu website
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| 19:07 | <dgroos> oh-oh, then it has to be good...
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| 19:09 | <highvoltage> I already tweeted/dented/faced it from the Edubuntu account :)
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| 19:10 | <dgroos> ouch!
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| 19:10 | dented?
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| 19:12 | <highvoltage> http://identi.ca/edubuntu
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| 19:12 | well I guess ping.fm still needs to push it there :)
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| 19:14 | (or http://jonathancarter.org/2009/05/11/what-is-dented/)
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| 19:21 | <dgroos> highvoltage: got it, thanks.
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| 19:50 | <mgariepy> dgroos, i'm pretty sure we should continue for as long as it work.
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| 19:51 | would be nice to have a command line interface for profile manager
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| 19:57 | <dgroos> mgariepy: cool. It really is a useful thing, just a little complicated when it comes to fatclients.
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| 19:57 | <mgariepy> yeah.
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| 19:57 | i still do it by hand in many cases ;)
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| 19:58 | <dgroos> :)
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| 19:58 | <mgariepy> do you know python ?
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| 20:06 | <dgroos> Just like Kung-fu, they are good friends of mine, Well, actually no, not at all :(
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| 20:09 | <dgroos> I just do the education side of technology...
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| 20:15 | <alkisg> Fat clients are complicated... I hope we can make the fat chroot maintainable with vbox, this would make it much easier, to install programs, set gconf settings, apply menus etc
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