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| 12:27 | <meamy> Hi every one, is there an esay possibility to open a programm on an application server from a FAT Client?
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| 12:29 | <JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: how did the launch go?
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| 12:33 | <sep> meamy, sounds like just regular X to me
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| 12:35 | meamy, easiest way is ssh -X remote_host gui_command
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| 12:37 | meamy, if you want to learn how to do it outside of ssh , read http://beginlinux.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/remote-display-of-the-x-protocol/
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| 12:38 | <ogra_> meamy, ltsp-remoteapp is the command i think
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| 12:39 | (or ltsp-remoteapps)
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| 13:00 | <meamy> ltsp-remoteaps did the job i just forgot to set REMOTE_APP to TRUE at the Conrtol server
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| 13:42 | <Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, pretty nice! :)
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| 13:42 | Still some problems left and right, but alas
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| 13:42 | It's the PR that counts. :P
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| 14:04 | <JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: yes, it is...
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| 14:05 | I still am unable to run PacketTracer on my clients... :(
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| 14:06 | Also having some difficulty with Unity.... User removes items from Launcher then goes to add one and all the ones he removed come back where the one he just added did not pin
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| 14:07 | <Hyperbyte> I have no idea about Unity
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| 14:08 | You ran strace on the PacketTracer, and it said something about wanting to write to /opt/pt533/bin/ (IIRC) before it crashes... what have you done with this info?
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| 14:12 | <JuJuBee> I was unable to find any suggestions...
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| 14:13 | I am seeing other strange behavior so I am wondering if I should start over...
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| 14:13 | I installed gnome classic and kubuntu-desktop in the image and one user can select either and another can only load unity...
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| 14:40 | <Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, probably to do with .dmrc files in the users' home directories
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| 14:42 | <Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, try alkisg - he's the LTSP oracle. He knows everything. :)
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| 14:42 | <alkisg> Haha! Hi Hyperbyte, hi all :P)
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| 14:46 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 14:47 | <JuJuBee> OK Thanks will do....
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> JuJuBee: I haven't seen the "question" though... is that about session selection?
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| 14:49 | <JuJuBee> alkisg: yes, I installed kubuntu-desktop and gnome classic... along with unity. One student can log in using all three DE's another can only use Unity.
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| 14:49 | <alkisg> JuJuBee: thins or fat clients?
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| 14:49 | <JuJuBee> The one that can only use unity is a new yser
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| 14:49 | Fat
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> Did you install those in the chroot? And then run ltsp-update-image?
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| 14:50 | <JuJuBee> yes
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> On a fat client, what's the output of `hostname; ls /usr/share/xsessions`?
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| 14:52 | <JuJuBee> While user that cannot log in to anything but unity?
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| 14:52 | or other user?
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> Both, they should be the same
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| 14:53 | Also post their .dmrc
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| 14:53 | <JuJuBee> ok, this might take a bit, I have to log into that computer and get the output... brb
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| 15:00 | <JuJuBee> OK, I think I just figured it out... I forgot I am using fstab in /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc/lts.conf to mount homes from original server and uid don't match... my bad. Need to correct that.
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| 15:00 | Let me do that and come back...
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| 15:17 | <JuJuBee> Yep, that waas the problem...
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| 15:17 | So now back to my original problem of not being able to run PacketTracer on clients...
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| 15:19 | Actually one more question for you alkisg... will I gain or lose anything by leaving the users home dirs on my original server and using nfs to mount them via FSTAB_0 in the image? vs. copying them to the new server and using default sshfs?
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| 15:21 | <Hyperbyte> sshfs = slower, more secure
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| 15:21 | nfs = faster, less secure
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| 15:22 | Plus, currently, using NFS overcomes some bugs in LTSP fat clients where sometimes files are not properly saved on the server.
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| 15:22 | <JuJuBee> So what about using different server then? I currently use nfs and nis in my lab, and might keep a local OS installed on HD until all of this is working the way I need to (ltsp)
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| 15:23 | I see, so I will use nfs then. I am on my own network at school so only my computers anyway, so security less of an issue...
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| 15:25 | Hyperbyte: so any chance you can take a look and see if you see why PacketTracer is not running on client?
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| 15:27 | <alkisg> JuJuBee: also, NFS on different servers can possibly speed up things. E.g. 10 gigabit clients reading from an NBD+NFS server can read up to 1 gbps, while from 2 separate NBD, NFS servers up to 2 gbps
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| 15:27 | That can be solved with an additional pci-e card too though :)
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| 15:28 | <JuJuBee> OK, I guess for now I will leave as is. I just need to get this program running on my clients.
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| 15:29 | <alkisg> And where are you having a problem with that?
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| 15:33 | <JuJuBee> I installed a program called PacketTracer (Cisco network simulator). It runs on the server fine (installed to test) but will not open on client.
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> You installed it in the chroot? Any errors while installing it or while running it from the console?
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| 15:35 | <JuJuBee> No errors, it installed fine
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> And no errors while running it either? Then you'd need to contact cisco for support...
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| 15:36 | <JuJuBee> It seems to just copy files from a self contained archive so I also tried copying them from the server. This works on windows...
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| 15:36 | <alkisg> Might be some missing dependency or something related to modules... but you need feedback from the program to debug it
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| 15:36 | Another thing to try is to install it on a running client (i.e. temporarily)
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| 15:37 | <JuJuBee> I need to do this as a sudo user?
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| 15:37 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 15:37 | <JuJuBee> Ok, let me try that
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| 15:37 | <alkisg> Finally, an `strace -e trace=file program` will tell you which files a program tries to access
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| 15:39 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, that'd be /opt/pt533/bin
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| 15:44 | <JuJuBee> I tried strace but am getting an error about strace: exec: no such file or directory I am using absolute pathing to strace as well as output file and packettracer binary...
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| 15:44 | <Hyperbyte> Did you use absolute path for 'program' ?
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| 15:44 | <Hyperbyte> Hi Joshua. :)
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| 15:44 | <Enslaver> Hey there Hyperbyte :)
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| 15:45 | I've come with good news :)
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| 15:45 | * Hyperbyte is curious now! | |
| 15:45 | <Enslaver> my RHEL6 integration is almost complete using LTSP 5.4.4
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| 15:45 | <JuJuBee> Yes, I did. I am also not able to log into client as a user that has sudo rights..
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| 15:45 | <Hyperbyte> Oh wow. You move fast!
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| 15:45 | <JuJuBee> I have same username on both servers with same uid...
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| 15:46 | <Enslaver> I am building the i386 client first and then i'll be doing the 64 bit
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| 15:46 | I dont sleep
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| 15:46 | <Hyperbyte> Heheh, well, that helps.
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| 15:46 | <Enslaver> I am running into one issue that maybe someone could help with
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| 15:47 | The client boots up but gets hung up after one of the init scripts, trying to get an idea of an easy way to debug that
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| 15:47 | I might have it traced down to a pulse audio issue, thats the last log entries in the remote syslog anyway
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| 15:48 | <meamy> anyone there who is familiar with the ltstp-genmenu script? there is some bash voodoo in it that is not working and i guess it is bug but maybe i just dont understand something
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| 15:48 | <Enslaver> meamy: whats the issue?
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| 15:49 | you're referring i guess to it building the menu for localapps?
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| 15:49 | <meamy> I am trying to use the REMOTE_APPS_MENU_ITEMS value but it is not working
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| 15:50 | <alkisg> JuJuBee: the user passwords are not transferred to fat clients, so you need to run `passwd` before you can use sudo on a fat client
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| 15:52 | <meamy> Enslaver the line i dont understand: elif [ -d "/usr/share/applications/${i%-*}" ] && [ -e "/usr/share/applications/${i%-*}/${i##*-}.desktop" ]; then what the hack means "${i%-*}/${i##*-}.desktop"
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| 15:52 | <JuJuBee> alkisg: so I tried to unpack the tar.gz file to install and it took like 4 miutes.
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| 15:53 | Usually takes about 20 seconds.
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| 15:53 | The installer same thing...
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| 15:54 | <Enslaver> meamy: I actually have the same issue, i have it running under red hat and there isn't a /usr/share/applications
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| 15:54 | That is actually LDM related i believe
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| 15:54 | Are you looking at a file called like 01-remoteapps in the ldm/scripts.d directory?
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| 15:55 | something like that, i don't have my vm booted
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| 15:57 | <meamy> Enslaver yes LDM calls this script (usr/share/ldm/rc.d/X02-genmenu) i working with ubuntu 12.04
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| 15:58 | <JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: when I tried to run passwd it asked for current password and I entered it but tells me it is incorrect.
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| 15:58 | <Enslaver> basically the way i understood that file is it re-writes the .desktop files to use ltsp-open to open the binaries versus the remote system. Then it stores them in a temporary directory and add's them to the xdg mime type associations
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| 16:00 | <Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, you should really ask alkisg this kind of stuff.
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| 16:00 | <JuJuBee> OK, he left
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| 16:01 | <Hyperbyte> Ah
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| 16:01 | He'll be back. ;-)
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| 16:01 | Oh
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| 16:01 | You could probably set the password from:
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| 16:01 | !screen_02
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| 16:01 | <ltsp> screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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| 16:02 | <Enslaver> You can change the root password in the chroot or by manually editing the shadow file in /etc in the chroot
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| 16:02 | <meamy> Enslaver yes this elif shut check if this dektop file is there localy and store that in the Value DESKTOP_FILES but since "${i%-*}/${i##*-}.desktop" does not trigger anything it is not working i guess i have a patch for that but i wonder what this code was for even google dont knows it
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| 16:03 | <Enslaver> JuJuBee: but it sounds like your running into an ssh key issue
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| 16:03 | JuJu: Try running ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 16:04 | Meamy: Thats a regex expression, i'm not the best with regex but you can start by grabbing a cheat sheet on it and decyphering
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| 16:05 | <Hyperbyte> Enslaver, nah, JuJuBee can login fine. He's trying to sudo with a user account on a fat client, but since users on fat clients don't have passwords this is problematic.
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| 16:05 | <Enslaver> what does his /etc/sudoers file look like on the client?
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| 16:06 | crap afk a sec
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| 16:13 | <JuJuBee> What file was it that I need to edit so /home/user doesn't appear on desktop?
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| 16:26 | <meamy> Enslaver are you sure that this are regex any way i am afk will look on it tomorow again
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| 18:48 | <JuJuBee> alkisg: can you help me get this app working? I am stuck.... (PacketTracer)
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| 18:49 | I tried using strace but got an error telling me strace: exec: no such file or directory when I entered "/usr/bin/strace -o ptout.txt /opt/pt533/bin/PacketTracer5"
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| 18:52 | <alkisg> JuJuBee: that's really not ltsp related...
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| 18:53 | ltsp-pnp might suit you better if you're having problems installing apps to a chroot
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| 19:00 | <JuJuBee> alkisg: I don't think it is a probelm installing the app. In the past I have simply copied the entire folder to another computer and it works fine. The app is self contained.
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| 19:01 | In theory, I should be able to copy /opt/pt533 from the server to chroot (/opt/ltsp/amd64/opt/pt533) and it should run fine.
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| 19:01 | <alkisg> JuJuBee: one reason could be that the app dependencies are not satisfied in your chroot, while they are in the "other computer" you tried
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| 19:01 | It's still not related to ltsp...
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| 19:02 | In that case, cisco should be contacted to add the dependencies to its package's "Depends" line
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| 19:08 | <otwieracz> What is the proper manner for unmounting ltspfs (LOCALDEV)?
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| 19:09 | <alkisg> Pull the usb stick
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| 19:09 | (after waiting 2 secs)
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| 19:13 | <otwieracz> ltspfs on /tmp/.otwieracz-ltspfs/usbdisk-sdb1 type fuse.ltspfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=otwieracz)
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| 19:13 | pulled off.
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| 19:14 | still mounted.
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| 19:20 | <Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, I still say it has to do with the app not being able to write in /opt/pt533/
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| 19:36 | <JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: I think I have it... checking now.
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| 19:37 | I think I need the ia32-libs, but... ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-multiarch but it is not installable
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| 19:37 | <JuJuBee> I just installed them on another workstation, why can't in install into chroot?
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| 19:40 | <otwieracz> How can change mount options?
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| 19:40 | pg: lock not made: link() failed: No such file or directory
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| 19:40 | gpg: can't lock `/tmp/.otwieracz-ltspfs/usbdisk-sdb1/.gnupg/pubring.gpg'
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| 19:40 | (probably „nolock”)
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| 19:40 | <JuJuBee> alkisg: I believe you were correct about dependencies. I did a diff of what was installe don both and see ia32-libs on server but not in chroot. How can I install into chroot? Getting error ^^
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| 19:41 | <alkisg> JuJuBee: install a template client, then install ltsp-client in it, and finally copy all of its disk to /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 19:41 | That should take less than 1 hour...
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| 19:42 | ...and it will save you all those troubleshooting hours
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| 19:42 | template client == a normal one, starting with the ubuntu desktop live cd
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| 19:42 | <JuJuBee> I have a clean 64 bit ubbuntu install willl that work?
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| 19:42 | <alkisg> Sure, if your clients are 64 bit
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| 19:43 | <JuJuBee> So now install ltsp-client onto it?
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| 19:43 | <alkisg> From software center
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| 19:44 | <JuJuBee> in the end, what is this going to do for me? Will my clients be 32bit or 64bit?
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| 19:44 | <alkisg> Your clients will use your chroot arch
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| 19:44 | If that's 64 bit, then your clients will get 64 bit too
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| 19:45 | <JuJuBee> I already have /opt/ltsp/amd64 on my server, so should I copy the client / to that instead?
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> sudo mv /opt/ltsp/amd64 /opt/ltsp/amd64.old
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| 19:46 | sudo mkdir /opt/ltsp/amd64
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| 19:46 | And copy it there
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| 19:47 | <JuJuBee> OK. And just use scp or something like that to copy from CLI?
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| 19:48 | <Hyperbyte> rsync -a :-)
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| 19:49 | <JuJuBee> right, permissions etc...
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| 19:49 | What does the ltsp-client do?
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| 19:50 | <Hyperbyte> LTSP has a server and a client component. Respectively, ltsp-server and ltsp-client packages.
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| 19:51 | <JuJuBee> should i "Disconnect all NDV devices on stop?" (im installing ltsp-client now)
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| 19:51 | *NBD
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| 19:52 | <alkisg> Doesn't matter whatever you select there
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| 19:54 | <JuJuBee> OK, thanks. I still have to install all software I need, only had a base install with PacketTracer runnning...
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| 20:01 | alkisg: when this is finished, I assume I need to ltsp-update-image?
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| 20:07 | <Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, you need to run ltsp-update-image after -any- change you make in /opt/ltsp/amd64
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| 20:36 | <JuJuBee> so rsync seems to be taking a while. seems stuck on /proc/kcore examining /proc/kcore using ls -alh says kcore is 128T ?
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| 20:36 | strange, hd is only 500G
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| 20:37 | <Hyperbyte> ehm
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| 20:37 | Never copy running systems.
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| 20:38 | <JuJuBee> oops...
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| 20:38 | I should reboot from live cd then?
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| 20:38 | <Hyperbyte> Things like /dev/urandom are like infinite size. :)000
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| 20:52 | <JuJuBee> rsync always messes me up. should I rsync from the client booted with usb to the server? or vice-versa?
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| 20:53 | That makes all the files owned by the user on the destination side...
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| 20:54 | even though I used rsync -azvv
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| 21:05 | <Enslaver> ok I'm back
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| 21:05 | now to figure out why this thin client won't boot :(
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| 21:08 | http://snag.gy/i0ZO2.jpg
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| 21:09 | I keep getting those errors, its like its not running init-ltsp correctly or something else strange is happening, can't seem to trace it down
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| 21:12 | I mean all that stuff happens just after S99local and starts calling rc.sysinit, so what does LTSP do that this os doesn't like :/
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| 21:14 | $1 donation to jerry's kids for the correct solution
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| 21:14 | <JuJuBee> How do I copy the client HD to server /opt/ltsp/amd64 ? rsync set the destination owner as the user I used to rsync to... Shouldn't it be root?
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| 21:15 | <Enslaver> dd and nc?
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| 21:25 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: are you passing init=/sbin/init-ltsp ?
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| 21:25 | Enslaver: and does your initramfs respect init= ?
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| 21:26 | <JuJuBee> rsync -azvv --numeric-ids doesn't seem to preserve the uid/gid on files. local owner id = 0 but when rsync to remote ownerid=1000 (the id of the user in rsync command)
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| 21:27 | <Enslaver> vagrantc: I'm passing it but it appears to be ignoring it, I thought init-ltsp was called through something else, like a ltsp-client-launch?
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| 21:28 | <jammcq> JuJuBee: I think you have to run rsync as root if you want to preserve uid/gid
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| 21:28 | I don't think a normal user can change ownership of a file to someone else
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| 21:28 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: well, the move to init-ltsp was to essentially hook in as the init process, so in theory it could even be done without an initramfs
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| 21:29 | <Enslaver> so launch it through initscripts?
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| 21:29 | <jammcq> Enslaver: init-ltsp runs before the init scripts
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| 21:29 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: no, it should be launched as PID 1
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| 21:29 | <Enslaver> ah ok
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| 21:29 | that makes more sense
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| 21:29 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: either from the initramfs, or from the kernel itself.
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| 21:30 | <Enslaver> This is using dracut to generate the initrd
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| 21:30 | <jammcq> Enslaver: one of the things init-ltsp does is fetch the lts.conf file from the server and fill in any missing config items
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| 21:30 | <vagrantc> init= has been supported by the linux kernel for quite some time
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| 21:30 | <Enslaver> pwd
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| 21:30 | <jammcq> try init=/bin/bash for some real fun :)
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| 21:30 | <vagrantc> right
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| 21:31 | <Enslaver> or init=/sbin/halt?
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| 21:31 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 21:31 | <JuJuBee> jammcq: I am booted from live usb stick... isn't the user "ubuntu" root?
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| 21:31 | <Enslaver> flash
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| 21:31 | <jammcq> JuJuBee: dunno
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| 21:31 | <vagrantc> JuJuBee: you'd probably need to use "sudo" to get root access.
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| 21:32 | <jammcq> JuJuBee: type: id
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| 21:32 | see what uid you have
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| 21:32 | if it's not 0, it's not root
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| 21:33 | <Enslaver> thats what she said
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| 21:34 | <vagrantc> i should try out dracut on debian, since that's the likely future i'll have to deal with...
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| 21:35 | <JuJuBee> jammcq: I tried that and sudo su does make me root, but "rsync -azvv --numeric-ids / remoteuser@remote.ip.address:/path/to/destination" still makes files owned by remoteuser not root (uid=0). without -azvv it skips everything...
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| 21:35 | <Enslaver> 'get' to deal with, think positive :)
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| 21:35 | its actually not that bad
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| 21:36 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: it seems to allegedly support init= in the dracut manpage...
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| 21:36 | <Enslaver> via /proc/cmdline?
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| 21:36 | or appending?
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| 21:37 | ::q!
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| 21:37 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: i presume it processes /proc/cmdline, but don't know how exactly it gets arguments.
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| 21:38 | it should get them from the bootloader
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| 21:39 | i honestly have never really had to troubleshoot something so simple as ignoring boot prompt options... it's always just worked for me for the last 15 years...
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| 21:39 | <Enslaver> what ltsp script generates the mkinitramfs? ltsp-update-kernels?
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| 21:39 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: there's no ltsp-specific script that generates it
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| 21:39 | Enslaver: it should be handled by the distribution...
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| 21:39 | <Enslaver> i saw the k12linux people wrote their own
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| 21:40 | <knipwim> Enslaver: on Gentoo I have no trouble generating and booting from a dracut initramfs
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| 21:41 | <Enslaver> vagrantc: maybe ubuntu has a gui for it.
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| 21:41 | <vagrantc> uh, it's just handled where it belongs, but the initramfs generation package and hooked into the package management system.
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| 21:42 | same in debian.
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| 21:42 | there shouldn't be anything specific to LTSP...
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| 21:43 | both initramfs-tools and dracut have hooks we can drop our customizations into, but it seems silly to have to generate that by hand.
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| 21:45 | my goal is to change as little as possible in Debian in order to make it work as an LTSP environment... if there are things needed for Debian's LTSP, and they're generic, i get it fixed in the appropriate place, not hack around it in LTSP-specific hacks.
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| 21:49 | <Enslaver> vDEFAULT linux
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| 21:49 | LABEL linux
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| 21:49 | SAY Booting Enterprise Linux
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| 21:49 | KERNEL vmlinuz.ltsp
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| 21:49 | APPEND rw initrd=initrd.ltsp init=/sbin/init-ltsp selinux=0 root=dhcp rhgb video=LVDS-1:d rdshell
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| 21:49 | :q
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| 22:00 | <Mip5> Hi Folks - ltsp on ubuntu 12.04.1. I need to run firefox for windows on the clients in order to conduct online testing (nwea.org). I tried faking it with a user agent, but couldn't get past test site's compatibility test. It does work when using firefox in wine. What would be the most efficient way for me to make this happen on 35 accounts? TIA
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| 22:00 | <Enslaver> I think the problem is the actual init-ltsp script
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| 22:01 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: it certainly could be ...
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| 22:02 | <Enslaver> :q
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| 22:02 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: i'd put a "set -x" somewhere near the top of it to see if it's running at all...
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| 22:03 | <knipwim> also, you can set break points in the init-ltsp process
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| 22:03 | <vagrantc> presuming it's running at all...
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| 22:03 | <Enslaver> I did notice the debug stuff
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| 22:04 | How do i trigger that?
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| 22:04 | <knipwim> for instance: ltsp.break=04-server
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| 22:04 | "Breaks LTSP init execution before the specified script in /usr/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d. It opens a shell and when exiting, it continues with the boot process."
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| 22:05 | <Enslaver> So i can basically step through it like a debuggeR?
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| 22:06 | <knipwim> for one script at a time i think
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| 22:06 | <Enslaver> trying that now, ty
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