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Channel log from 22 June 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:22 | <vagrantc> yay!
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| 00:23 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=575031#100
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| 02:41 | <alkisg> Has anyone tried this as a youtube flash replacement? https://addons.mozilla.org/el/firefox/addon/161869/
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| 02:43 | <dobber> i can try it right now if you want
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| 02:44 | <alkisg> I don't have an ltsp lab available, and I wonder if it helps (as it should)
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| 02:44 | Both on cpu + performance
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| 02:44 | <dobber> well, my FF runs localy
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| 02:45 | <alkisg> Ah, so you won't really see any difference (except if you run `top` locally)
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| 02:45 | <dobber> i can install FF on the server
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| 02:45 | one second
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| 02:46 | the video does not start at all
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| 02:48 | <alkisg> I think the mplayer firefox plugin is also needed (from synaptic)
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| 02:50 | On my standalone laptop, it dropped the cpu usage for a full screen video from 50% to 10%
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| 02:51 | <dobber> i have vlc plugin only
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| 02:51 | i dont have mplayer at all
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| 02:51 | mplayer
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| 02:51 | lets install this
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| 02:51 | <alkisg> "apt-get install gecko-mediaplayer"
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| 02:54 | <dobber> mplayer should be on the server too ?
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| 02:54 | i dont think this would make a difference in network bandwith
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| 02:55 | <alkisg> It should. Xv needs much less bandwidth than plain X traffic.
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| 02:55 | And it should need a lot less CPU.
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| 02:55 | gecko-mediaplayer should be on the server if firefox is running on the server
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| 02:55 | I'm not sure what happens with a local firefox
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| 02:56 | <dobber> if i disable the adobe flash plugin
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| 02:56 | it does not work
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| 02:57 | ok with flash enabled
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| 02:57 | <alkisg> !flash
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| 02:57 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "flash" :: Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try the HQtube plugin. Install greasemonkey for firefox, and see http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24999
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| 02:57 | <dobber> it replaces the youtube layout, so i guess it's using mplayer now
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| 02:57 | <alkisg> You can verify it by right-clicking on the video
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| 02:57 | !forget flash
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| 02:57 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 02:57 | <dobber> mplayer for sure
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| 02:58 | <alkisg> !learn flash as Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like https://addons.mozilla.org/el/firefox/addon/161869/ (per user installation, gecko-mediaplayer is also needed).
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| 02:58 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 02:59 | <alkisg> !flash
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| 02:59 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "flash" :: Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like https://addons.mozilla.org/el/firefox/addon/161869/ (per user installation, gecko-mediaplayer is also needed).
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| 03:03 | <dobber> wooow
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| 03:03 | mplayer took 6 - 7.5% cpu
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| 03:04 | and giving a smooth video over the network
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| 03:04 | flash is taking 20%+ and the video is a slideshow
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| 03:04 | <alkisg> And it shouldn't make any difference in the bandwidth if you use full screen or not (with XV, the scaling is done on the client)
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| 03:04 | <dobber> i dont have LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 03:04 | <alkisg> Ah.
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| 03:05 | Hmmm no I don't think XV works over ssh. I'm not sure though.
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| 03:05 | <dobber> i'm gonna reboot to set it
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| 03:05 | * alkisg always uses LDM_DIRECTX=True | |
| 03:06 | <dobber> what does it do?
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| 03:06 | <alkisg> It disables encryption, so it offers much better speed at the cost of security
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| 03:07 | <dobber> ah, i should have read about this :(((
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| 03:07 | ok with ldm_direcx=true
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| 03:07 | video is smoother
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| 03:07 | but again 20%+
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| 03:07 | <alkisg> The difference in on the ssh usage
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| 03:08 | With ldm_directx=false, sshd can take all the cpu
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| 03:10 | <dobber> mplayer is 5% cpu and video is super fast
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| 03:10 | full screen - super fast again
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| 03:11 | nice find alkisg
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| 03:11 | i can convert FF to server side now
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| 03:12 | <alkisg> Hmmm maybe we should make a .deb package out of it. I'll tell sbalneav when he comes around.
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| 03:12 | (so that it's available for all users at once - now each one has to install the plugin seperately)
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| 03:13 | <dobber> on a faster video it tooks 10% cpu for full screen
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| 03:14 | still much better than flash
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| 03:16 | alkisg a .deb on the plugin only or ?
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| 03:16 | <alkisg> Yeah on the plugin only. And it could depend on gecko-mediaplayer so that it's automatically installed too.
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| 03:17 | <dobber> ok there must be a problem here
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| 03:17 | a 3th video now takes 20% cpu
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| 03:17 | and watching is a slideshow
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| 03:18 | <alkisg> If you right click on it does it say mplayer? Or adobe flash?
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| 03:18 | <dobber> mplayer
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| 03:19 | <alkisg> A problem then.
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| 03:20 | <dobber> 4th video 35% + cpu usage
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| 03:21 | ok i restarted firefox
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| 03:21 | now it's ok-ish
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| 03:21 | <alkisg> Uhm, are the old videos closed?
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| 03:21 | Maybe it keeps playing them in the background
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| 03:21 | <dobber> yes but ff was not restarted between plays
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| 03:21 | no
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| 03:21 | when the video ends, the mplayer process exits
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| 03:22 | <alkisg> Hmmmm we should report this in the plugin page then
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| 03:23 | I wonder if a firefox plugin could be made that wouldn't use any javascript rewritting
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| 03:24 | <dobber> with two tabs playing
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| 03:24 | mplayer takes around 10% cpu on each process
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| 03:24 | but video is ok-ish
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| 03:24 | <alkisg> One that would use the same UUID as the flash plugin, and then either switch to mplayer if it's a supported video, or to flash.
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| 03:24 | <dobber> nah, still slideshow
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| 03:24 | <alkisg> That should be much more stable than the existing javascript solutions...
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| 03:25 | <dobber> if i close one of the tabs, the video is smooth again
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| 03:25 | <alkisg> I think XV only supports one surface
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| 03:25 | So any additional surfaces use X11
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| 03:26 | <dobber> i think it's cpu dependant
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| 03:27 | well i dont know
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| 03:27 | but it's still much much better than adobe flash
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| 03:40 | <dobber> !docs
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| 03:40 | <ltspbot> dobber: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 07:41 | <narendra> Hello, All, In my college, I have some small thin client box - right somebody has done a setup with Xrdp + VNC (I think so) , Can i install LTSP and connect those thin nodes ?
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| 07:43 | Hello, All, In my college, I have some small thin client box - right somebody has done a setup with Xrdp + VNC (I think so) , Can i install LTSP and connect those thin nodes ?
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| 07:44 | <shawnp0wers> Mornin' everyone.
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| 07:44 | <narendra> Can somebody give me hint for my problem
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| 07:59 | How can in login to LTSP server from a RDP client like rdesktop ?
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| 07:59 | any proxy or protocol converter ?
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| 08:00 | How can i use Xrdp with LTSP ?
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| 08:06 | <narendra> Hi, Can i use rdesktop for LTSP???
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| 08:12 | <Ghid0rah> can you use it how?
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| 08:12 | You can set rdesktop up as a shell
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| 08:12 | in lts.conf
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| 08:13 | you can use it on your clients to connect to a windows machine
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| 08:14 | <narendra> But What is the command to do that
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| 08:14 | I am asking,
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| 08:15 | I want to use rdesktop and LTSP
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| 08:15 | So may you tell me the procedure or any url
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| 08:16 | <vmlintu> narendra: you want to login to linux desktop from windows machines?
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| 08:18 | <narendra> Yup
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| 08:19 | vmlintu, Yup
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| 08:19 | <vmlintu> narendra: I would recommend using NX for that
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| 08:19 | <narendra> vmlintu, Basically, I have some old thin box which only understand RDP
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| 08:21 | vmlintu, is it possible to that
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| 08:22 | <vmlintu> I have never tried running an rdp server, this was the first time I've heard of xrdp
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| 08:23 | <narendra> xrdp connects to VNC
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| 08:24 | so may be I need to search similar to xrdp which connect to xdm as i am using 4.2
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| 08:34 | <narendra> hmm It is possible to do with NX as proxy to X11 for rdesktop, let me do it
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| 08:43 | <_UsUrPeR__> shawnp0wers: ping? (I replied to you)
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| 09:06 | <rickogden> hey, how do I get a partition from the local hdd of a client to mount on the terminal server (like pendrives do automatically)?
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| 11:05 | <PMantis> Hi guys, quick Q: can an entry in lts.conf use more than one "like" declaration?
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| 11:14 | Hmmm, just forgot the 'like' idea for now... I have a thin client with DVI and VGA out. Boots from an Ubuntu 10.04 / LTSP 5.2 server. Screen is scrambled with DVI. Set X_MODE_0=1600x900 and XRANDR_MODE_0=1600x900 and rebooted, nothing. Is there a way to be sure the thin client picked up these settings?
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| 11:33 | <PMantis> Got VGA working with LTSP-T1420, with the *_MODE_0 lines in lts.conf, but can't get DVI working. Just displays scrambled, out of sync.
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| 11:33 | jammcq said to ask gadi about it... but no Gadi. :-(
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| 11:34 | shawnp0wers, Hey Shawn - like your articles. You doing anything with LTSP for the journal?
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| 12:44 | <shawnp0wers> PMantis -- thanks!
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| 12:45 | not for LJ right now, but for the school I'm setting up a couple LTSP clusters this summer
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| 12:45 | Perhaps it will turn into some articles, at least online, for Linux Journal
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| 12:46 | pmantis: I'd try the multi-"LIKE" thing and see
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| 12:47 | add two easy-to-identify commands
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| 12:47 | and see if it honors both...
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| 13:02 | <PMantis> shawnp0wers, That's a good test, but I ended up losing interest. :)
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| 13:03 | <shawnp0wers> heheh -- sorry, that was my reason for *suggesting* the test, and not doing it myself
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| 13:03 | :D
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| 13:03 | <PMantis> LOL
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| 13:04 | shawnp0wers, I installed LTSP into a private school that I volunteer at. I'm sure you're familiar with what awesome machines get donated to schools. They work much better as thin clients. :)
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| 13:04 | shawnp0wers, So, I'd be interested to hear about your experiences as well.
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| 13:05 | <shawnp0wers> Indeed. I'm the tech director for a K12 school in Michigan. We have 50+ Pentium 133mhz computers running as LTSP 4.2 clients. :)
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| 13:05 | PMantis: Hang on a sec, I'll get you a link...
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| 13:05 | * PMantis hangs on | |
| 13:06 | <PMantis> Wow, P133's!
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| 13:06 | <shawnp0wers> One of the first things I ever got published in Linux Journal. :) http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9688#mpart2
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| 13:06 | Yeah, I wouldn't suggest the P133 thing anymore, they suck bad
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| 13:06 | :D
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| 13:08 | <PMantis> Heh, cool. That's pretty cool to be published in LJ. The most I did was a couple articles in a regional computer magazine.
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| 13:08 | <shawnp0wers> I actually started with that issue (also had the Arcade machine on the cover), and ended up on staff.
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| 13:10 | <PMantis> BTW, what's the the "eye" in your pic? Going for a silly look? :-)
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| 13:10 | Boy, those articles I wrote was a while ago: http://www.techny.com/articles.cfm?person=127&go=0.619104178274
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| 13:12 | <shawnp0wers> PMantis: heh -- the cocked eyebrow is just my "thing" I guess.
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| 13:12 | It was better than the guy with a butt crack showing
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| 13:12 | or the guy with a thing hanging out of his nose
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| 13:13 | <PMantis> ROFL, What? No plumbers in LJ!!
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| 13:13 | <shawnp0wers> hehehe
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> shawnp0wers: did you manage to boot LTSP 5.x with anything less than 64MB RAM?
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| 13:14 | <shawnp0wers> alkisg: Nope.
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| 13:14 | Gave up trying.
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> ...and, how much RAM on these 4.2 clients?
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| 13:14 | <shawnp0wers> The old clients have 32MB of ram, and 96MB of network swap space
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| 13:14 | still work OK with LTSP 4.2
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| 13:14 | I'll still have some in use next year
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| 13:14 | <PMantis> ewww, 64MB!
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| 13:15 | <shawnp0wers> Yeah, LTSP5 is such a different beast, but in a good way
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| 13:15 | <alkisg> And what distro/version on the server?
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| 13:15 | <shawnp0wers> K12LTSPELwhateveritis
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| 13:15 | In fact, my goal for thesummer is to get that CentOS box running a similar version of firefox to the LTSP5 machines running Ubuntu
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| 13:16 | it's awkward when users go back and forth
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| 13:16 | <alkisg> Sounds good - at least for those 32mb machines, I can't think of anything better for them...
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| 13:17 | I don't think anything recent boots with less than 64m
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| 13:17 | <shawnp0wers> I don't think so either.
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| 13:18 | And I dont' have to try to support video or flash on them anymore
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| 13:18 | (Yes, I used to, and it worked. Sometimes)
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| 13:18 | They even have ISA audio cards. But I got 'em to work.
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| 13:18 | * shawnp0wers pats himself on the back | |
| 13:18 | <shawnp0wers> :)
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> Heh, I did manage to get isa cards working too on one of my labs, but after 2-3 ubuntu series updates I just threw them away along with the serial mice
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| 13:22 | <shawnp0wers> I'm probably stuck with a handful of these old beasties for another couple years
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| 13:22 | I probably wont' have time this summer (sad, since it just started) but I have many iMacs (old colored ones) that are booting as thing clients now
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| 13:23 | I'd like to try booting them to LTSP5
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| 13:23 | <sean74> alkisg: hi hi
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| 13:23 | <shawnp0wers> but I haven't had the time to make a PPC kernel, etc
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> Hi sean74
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| 13:25 | <sean74> alkisg: i tried to bootup another machine, it able to load up the ubuntu loading screen and suddenly the monitor just turn off
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| 13:25 | alkisg: any idea? is it because of SCREEN_02=shell SCREEN_07=LDM
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| 13:26 | <PMantis> sean74, Perhaps the resolution is being detected improperly. Try this in lts.conf: XRANDR_MODE_0=1024x768
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| 13:29 | <sean74> PMantis: ok, thanks. i just need to perform ltsp-update-kernels, do i need to build-image again?
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| 13:29 | <PMantis> You don't need to do either for an update to lts.conf.
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| 13:30 | <sean74> PMantis: ok, so i just need to update the /var/lib/tftpboor/ltsp/i386/lts.conf file?
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| 13:31 | <PMantis> sean74, Yes, then reboot and see if it works. If so, then you should probably update the resolution to what you REALLY want, but the above example is a safe test.
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| 13:33 | <sean74> PMantis: ok, but i boot from this machine before
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| 13:34 | <PMantis> sean74, The key is to boot with that config option in lts.conf.
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| 13:34 | <sean74> PMantis: ok, what if i have different type of monitor
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| 13:35 | <PMantis> sean74, This would go in a section JUST for this thin client. You can base it on MAC address, hostname, or IP.
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| 13:35 | sean74, For example [192.168.1.56]
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| 13:35 | Then the X line just below that.
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| 13:36 | <sean74> PMantis: oh ok
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| 13:37 | PMantis: i'm building the image now, will try it once completed. thanks
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| 13:57 | <sean74> PMantis: it works, thanks
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| 13:58 | <PMantis> sean74, You're welcome!
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| 13:58 | * PMantis dances | |
| 13:58 | <sean74> PMantis: i have another question, i am currently using fat client
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| 13:59 | PMantis: the system->administrator->printing keeps showing server printer instead of localhost by default
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| 14:00 | PMantis: but i reinstall another ltsp server from scratch and perform the same steps
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| 14:00 | <PMantis> sean74, I'm not very familiar with that, but perhaps someone else here will see your question.
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| 14:00 | <sean74> PMantis: its ok, thanks
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| 14:11 | PMantis: hi, just would like to confirm. i remove the screen_02 = shell and screen_07 = ldm. the monitor was ok
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| 14:11 | PMantis: instead of adding the res line
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| 14:11 | PMantis: any idea?
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| 14:11 | <PMantis> sean, That's odd. I wouldn't expect that behavior.
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| 14:12 | sean74, Unfortunately, I don't have any other comments for that situation.
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| 14:18 | <PMantis> Anyone know why a LTSP-T1420 thin client boots to a VGA monitor OK, but will not sync over DVI?
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| 14:29 | <atkuepker> PMantis Interesting. I'll have to try that. I have some of the S3-driven T1420s around here that didn't play well at first, but they're working now with the Compiz turned off.
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| 14:29 | <PMantis> atkuepker, Ah, Compiz isn't even installed.
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| 14:30 | It's Xubuntu
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| 14:30 | <atkuepker> ah. plain vanilla Ubuntu probably wouldn't help much then.
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> PMantis: can you manage to get it working with xrandr commands after you login?
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| 15:27 | <PMantis> alkisg, I never tried that... dunno how. :)
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| 16:30 | <faranda> hi there...
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| 16:30 | someone knows how to initiate the usb devices plugged in client side.
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| 19:52 | <danno> Hi all - I'm struggling to get sabayon working in my fat client implementation. Saboyon is installed in the chroot and on the server side. I create teh profile on teh server and copy it up to the chroot. update image but no happiness. Any thoughtts?
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| 20:03 | <danno> ?
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| 22:59 | <map7> With the current LTSP5 available under Ubuntu 10.04 is it possible to allow local apps to see network drives which are mounted under /media on the server?
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| 22:59 | I've set 'MOUNT_LOCAL_MEDIA=True' and it doesn't seem to work
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| 23:30 | <chupacabra> http://twitter.com/joemccann/status/16798259715
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