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06:30 | <ltspuser_99> hello
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06:30 | i want to install ltsp on open suse
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11:01 | <andygraybeal_> greetings ltsp
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11:03 | <knipwim> hi andygraybeal_, i saw you in the puredata channel also :)
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11:03 | <andygraybeal_> oh hi knipwim
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11:04 | yes, i have used pd, for about 4 yrs, 7 yrs ago... sadly i have picked it up again
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11:05 | <knipwim> sadly? how so
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11:05 | <andygraybeal_> time has a way of moving forward and my life is a little different now than those days. i still love it and i haven't abanodoned it accept for it seems like i have.
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11:05 | <knipwim> hehe
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11:05 | i just discovered it
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11:05 | <andygraybeal_> ah, i own a house now, i'm trying to run a business and a market garden. there's no time for me to build things any longer..
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11:06 | i think it's the best thing that happened to me personally.
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11:06 | it gave me the freedom to take control objects in the real world and be able to control them in the virtual world.
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11:07 | pd coupled with arduino (or whatever the latest fanciest stuff is now-a-days) is a great thing.
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11:07 | <knipwim> same for me, i'm working on it with a friend of mine, he programs the patches, and i try to run it on a beaglebone
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11:07 | <andygraybeal_> what is a beaglebone?
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11:07 | <knipwim> also a development board, but runnign on a 720Mhz arm
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11:08 | <andygraybeal_> wow, sounds nice
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11:08 | <knipwim> the only thing missing is a sound card
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11:08 | <andygraybeal_> i'm putzing around with zarafa, trying to get it to hook into SSO login with apache and etc. right now.
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11:08 | knipwim, what are your plans with it?
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11:09 | err.. i mean other than world domination of course.
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11:09 | #dataflow is my set of oldest homies here on freenode :)
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11:09 | <knipwim> create a portable synthesizer, controllable with a midi controller, and sound out
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11:09 | but also mic in
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11:10 | <andygraybeal_> nice, why not OSC instead of midi?
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11:10 | <knipwim> don't know
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11:10 | is that better?
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11:10 | <andygraybeal_> midi is way more popular for sure. osc is way more awesome :)
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11:11 | yea, read up on osc. 'open sound control'
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11:11 | <knipwim> i really want to use libpd
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11:11 | <andygraybeal_> it depends what your end goal is if it is useful to you. i was ready to trash all my midi and move to it. but again that was a long time ago.
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11:11 | <knipwim> and libpd only support midi i think
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11:12 | <andygraybeal_> okay, i'm gonna read about libpd for a bit
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11:12 | <knipwim> i still have to figure out how to connect the midi to the libpd
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11:13 | following this article http://elsoftwarehamuerto.org/articulos/691/puredata-beagleboard/
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11:14 | <andygraybeal_> http://nettoyeur.noisepages.com/2011/02/libpd-workflow-prototyping-and-production/ <--- read this -- i typed "OSC" into the 'find' box and the third iteration of OSC down the page is the answer
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11:15 | midi is so early 80s ;)
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11:17 | <knipwim> but still pretty simple
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11:17 | and i like to avoid the use of OpenFrameWorks and such
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11:18 | <andygraybeal_> what is an SPI port?
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11:19 | <knipwim> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Peripheral_Interface_Bus ?
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11:19 | <andygraybeal_> do you use it?
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11:21 | wow, s-video connector and dvi-d connecter?
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11:21 | an lcd header to plug directly into an lcd ribbon?
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11:22 | <knipwim> for the beaglebone you mean?, nope
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11:22 | <andygraybeal_> yea, beagleboard :)
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11:23 | <knipwim> only the gpio for buttons and leds and such
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11:23 | gonna hook up a 16x2 lcd soon
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11:23 | <andygraybeal_> nice
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11:23 | very cool
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11:26 | <knipwim> i'm back to work, check you later
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11:27 | <andygraybeal_> yea, nice talking
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11:27 | i dream about this stuff.. but i haven't worked on it in ages.
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11:28 | i have an idea of how it might help me in a kitchen i might design for a restaurant i might have.. in some perfect future.
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15:43 | <irule> I, ltsp
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15:44 | <Hyperbyte> That sounds very poetic
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15:46 | <andygraybeal_> hi Hyperbyte
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15:46 | <Hyperbyte> Hey Andy!!!
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15:47 | <irule> yes thanks, I watched the movie I, robot with my girlfriend last night
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15:47 | hi everyone
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15:49 | <Hyperbyte> What's going on? :)
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15:52 | <irule> I just did ltsp with no fat clients, with a virtual machine for windows with terminal services, so effectively using a single server for the whole enchilada
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15:52 | btw enchiladas are great here haha
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15:52 | <dead_inside> steak is great here
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15:53 | <irule> hmm juicy steaks! I hade steak yesterday
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15:53 | <dead_inside> nice
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15:54 | <irule> I will have enchiladas for breakfast tomorrow morning, have not in a while; so ltsp-ing, I noticed that extremely low-end hardware is not very well suited for ltsp any more :s
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15:55 | 4 was better for that
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15:56 | is there a ltsp 4 mode in the config? perhaps I may sertup and old linux in a virtual machine
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15:56 | with 4 to have both worlds in the same hardware
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16:57 | <sbalneav> !seen stgraber
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16:57 | <ltsp> stgraber was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 0 days, 17 hours, 50 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <stgraber> vagrantc: I'd have to recheck later (at UDS), can't remember for the dependency, we indeed need mkimage to generate the image and flash-kernel would be the way of getting something generic to work on all boards. pxelinux.0 isn't used, only the pxelinux.cfg/* files are retrieved by the u-boot netboot code
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16:57 | <sbalneav> Well, I think I've found the solution to the nss problems we need to fix:
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16:58 | lp:~sbalneav/ltsp/libnss-extrafiles
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17:22 | <cliebow> Hey Scottie!!!!
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17:33 | <alkisg> sbalneav: http://packages.ubuntu.com/libpam-pwdfile - although I don't think it supports groups
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18:11 | <ltspuser_13> Hello
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18:12 | Good afternoon
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18:13 | help
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18:27 | <cliebow> ltspuser_13:tell these guys what your problem is
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18:50 | <||cw> there really needs to be a "just state your issue" blurb on the link
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19:09 | <blakes> Still chasing a printing problem around. Spent some time on the #ubuntu channel and got several recommendations to reinstall cups.... or reinstall the entire operating system..... not too helpful.
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19:09 | my error log is here:http://pastebin.com/erGJMUrg
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19:11 | it seems like CUPS is crashing when being printed from a thinclient/libreoffice. I wrote a script to kill all of the ~/.conf/libreoffice configs, but that didn't help.
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19:11 | I reinstalled cups. (1.5.3) still having trouble.
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19:14 | <blakes> Print jobs from thin clients either crash cups (web interface times out) or hang the printer. Using 12.04LTS, LTSP 5, CUPS 1.5.3,
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19:15 | my error log is here: http://pastebin.com/erGJMUrg
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19:17 | my printers.conf is here: http://pastebin.com/LJuTVqnZ
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19:17 | <||cw> google's full of "cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Dirty files", busy="Active clients and dirty files"" results
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19:20 | from as simple as deleting the printer and adding again to as complex as compiling svn versions of cups
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19:39 | <blakes> cw: I have looked through a lot of those. Nothing is fitting quite right yet... I was hoping against hope that someone in my boat had run into this exact problem. Nar!
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19:42 | The problem is that the only real error reported in the log is like: [TIME] [Job JOB_NO] PID PID_NO (/usr/lib/cups/backend/[APPLICATION]) exited with no errors.
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19:43 | It's "the exited with no errors"
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19:43 | that's killing!!!
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19:51 | <kev_j> speaking of printing... is there any reasonable / easy way to make it so I can print from a ltsp-localapps web browser?
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19:52 | <||cw> kev_j: same as thick client
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19:52 | <kev_j> thick = fat?
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19:53 | <||cw> no
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19:54 | er, well I guess
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19:54 | I always though of a fat client is a full lcoal OS install :/
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19:54 | <kev_j> oh, yeah, I guess that's true
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19:54 | <||cw> but anyway, you setup printing inside the chroot
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19:55 | <vagrantc> fatclient in LTSP terminology means a network booted environment where all the applications run on the thin client hardware
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19:56 | <kev_j> crap nuggets.... that was enough of a pain on the main system
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19:56 | <blakes> Can you think of a reason to change /etc/cups/cupsd.conf (specifically the permissions) from the default distro version?
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20:12 | <blakes> could it be? While running "diff cupsd.conf cupsd.conf.dpkg-dist" I noticed that my predecessor had fat-fingered the final <Limit All> directive, spelling the permissions like "allowj." I don't know if this will solve the situation, but it can't be good.
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20:15 | What would be the ramifications of the <Limit All> directive having only deny permissions (since allow was misspelled)? (CUPS 1.5.3, /etc/cups/cupsd.conf)
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20:17 | <kev_j> Would I want to use ltsp-chroot or actual chroot to install the printer drivers?
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20:20 | <vagrantc> kev_j: ltsp-chroot will set some environment variables and such, so i'd recommend using it.
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20:42 | <kev_j> so it is asking me for password for root on localhost, so I would make that the root password for the chroot enviro right?
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20:43 | <vagrantc> you shouldn't need a root password in the chroot
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20:44 | <kev_j> the cups printer driver is asking me for one
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20:44 | Setting up mfc9560cdwcupswrapper (1.1.1-5) ... \ Password for root on localhost?
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20:45 | <vagrantc> ugh.
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20:45 | stupid printer driver.
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20:45 | <kev_j> I am guessing it wants it for the administration screen for cupsd
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20:46 | oh I know, don't think I want a brother printer while using linux again
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20:51 | <||cw> ew. so far I like my xerox, but it's not also not the most linux friendly
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20:52 | sadly, hp's seem to be the most linux friendly, but the new ones all suck
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20:53 | <kev_j> Oh I love the printer itself. It's quite good for what we need it for, but not the easiest to setup on linux, and it seems less so for ltsp
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20:59 | <kev_j> .....so I can't seem to login to root, or use the password for the install, without being on the system after it's been loaded with pxe... any ideas how I can get past this for the driver install or should I just ignore cups and try for the lpr setup (already successfully installed the driver pack for that one)
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20:59 | or lpd.. or whatever
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21:01 | would it be in the pam configs?
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21:03 | oh, and I am using debian squeeze (figured that might be an important detail) and considering trying to switch to wheezy
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21:04 | <lee> muppis, gvy, alkisg: I added acpi=off and nomodeset to pxelinux.cfg/default, made sure it was being read, turns out that X is getting stuck in a loop with the error "Fatal server error: Invalid argument for -config. With elevated privileges, the file specified with -config must be a relative path and must not contain any ".." elements. Using default xorg.conf search path."
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21:05 | however that is the extent of the information it prints, which is not entirely helpful. do I need to install sshd in the chroot and login to get at the log file to see exactly what is going on?
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21:06 | I took a machine home to test but unfortunately its output is DVI only and I don't have the right cble, grr.
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21:07 | <gvy> lee, erm, I'd probably try 'ps auxww | grep X' to see the exact -config it gets
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21:07 | either via ssh or via local login, that is
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21:08 | <lee> ok, maybe I'll make a late-night run to work to see if they have any dvi cables lying around
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21:09 | <alkisg> lee: what are the contents of your lts.conf, and, do you have a xorg.conf in the chroot?
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21:10 | You don't need a dvi cable, you can just vnc to the client if you need to
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21:10 | E.g. you could install epoptes to help you with that
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21:11 | <andygraybeal_> lts deployments in nepal are killing it
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21:11 | er ltsp
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21:11 | what is it 20 some deployments in nepal alone
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21:11 | <lee> I have done ltsp-build-image --kiosk, I haven't provided an xorg.conf. the built image works fine in a vm. unfortunately I do need a dvi cable, got to get into the bios to tell it to pxe boot =)
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21:11 | <gvy> lee, it helps to have a good sleep and then mess with a clear head
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21:12 | andygraybeal, don't let them climb too high!11
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21:12 | <lee> the only things I've changed in the chroot are altering the way firefox is configured (at this stage). I didn't realise a vnc server was included by default, that's pretty awesome
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21:12 | <gvy> my sister traveled in nepal :)
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21:12 | <andygraybeal_> gvy :) nice i'm happy!
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21:13 | <alkisg> lee: It's not; but you can easily install it
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21:13 | You can also check the ps command in the VM, to see the xorg parameters
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21:14 | <lee> ok, will give that a shot
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21:14 | * alkisg isn't sure if the kiosk plugin is in a good shape currently | |
21:15 | <lee> really want to get this nailed, it must be pretty close to working (it is great in a vm)
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21:15 | biab, going to grab that cable
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21:15 | thanks for the help so far =)
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21:18 | <kev_j> hell.. so I got it to let me do a "login root" by renaming the securetty file (temporarily) so I thought that would let me do it, but it still refuses the "password for root on localhost?"
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21:18 | ..any ideas?
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21:19 | <alkisg> Temporarily create a root password in the chroot?
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21:19 | Or, it might be asking for the server cups password instead
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21:20 | (trying to connect to the server port 631...)
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21:21 | <kev_j> the cups password is the root password afaik, and I already had a chroot root pass (so I could troubleshoot issues I was having with ltsp initially) but that didn't work
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21:21 | nuts, bad timing with alkisg
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21:23 | <gvy> /nick nuts
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21:28 | <kev_j> ....it seems like it may have installed by me getting frustrated and hitting enter a lot until it just completed the install...
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21:32 | <kev_j> yeah, it lists it under dpkg -l
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21:35 | <gvy> russian folks tend to automate the enter part by means of a properly weighted book against grey enter, btw. :)
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23:47 | <lee> hrm.
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23:53 | OK, so I have a client machine here to play with. if I run "ltsp-build-client --kiosk", it boots to X on the hardware, and prompts for a login. if I add SCREEN_07=kiosk to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf under [default] then I don't get as far as X, it says "invalid argument for -config". but there's no log for X in /var/log that I can see, and nothing relevant in syslog. any ideas?
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