IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 10 December 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:40 | <Big-K> hi
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| 06:40 | could so help me booting my thin client?
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| 06:41 | <daduke> Big-K: don't know yet, let's see. What's your problem?
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| 06:42 | <Big-K> ending up in ash
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| 06:42 | seems like nbd cannot mount the chroot
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| 06:43 | os is debian testing
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| 06:43 | do i have to configure nbd?
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| 06:44 | <daduke> Big-K: haven't used nbd yet, I'm on etch+tftp+nfs
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| 06:45 | <Big-K> what version are u running?
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| 06:45 | aahh that 4.2 ifaik
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| 06:45 | <daduke> Big-K: version of ....?
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| 06:45 | <Big-K> ltsp
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| 06:47 | <daduke> Big-K: vanilla etch, 5.0.39
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| 06:48 | <Big-K> hmmm
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| 06:48 | maybe I should try etch too
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| 06:48 | ltsp version is the same
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| 06:49 | <Big-K> daduke did u configure ltsp to use nfs?
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| 06:49 | or is it standard?
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| 06:57 | <daduke> Big-K: it's standard. Can you access https://nic.phys.ethz.ch/readme/233 ? These are my install notes
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| 07:03 | <Big-K> thx
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| 07:09 | hmmm I thought nbd would be standard since ltsp v5
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| 08:25 | <tuff> hello. can someone tell me why is this line "env['DISPLAY'] = 'localhost:10.0'" in /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter ?
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| 08:30 | <daduke> tuff: afaik, nobody really knows. But it's accepted that it prevents localdevices from being mounted.
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| 08:32 | <tuff> I just came to the same conclusion
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| 08:36 | <daduke> tuff: thing is, everybody recommends to kick it out, et voila, mounting works, but only for the first user (for me and many others). Do you also see this?
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| 08:38 | <val_> hello
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| 08:39 | <daduke> val_: hi val_.
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| 08:39 | <val_> how i can start nfs fo ltsp?
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| 08:39 | <val_> my log is "rpc unable to receive...."
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| 08:39 | <tuff> daduke: you mean after the line is out mounting works just for first user?
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| 08:40 | <val_> but portmap is availible
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| 08:40 | <daduke> tuff: for my LTSP 5 on Debian etch, yes. I've seen many similar reports.
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| 08:41 | <daduke> val_: how about trying to mount NFS from another machine first? Easier to debug than the whole LTSP setup.
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| 08:42 | <tuff> daduke: I am not any more near that server at the moment but I will test it.
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| 08:43 | <daduke> tuff: ok.
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| 08:43 | <Munkie> Is it "Dangerous!" to mount the filesystem rw? I want to compile the nvidia kernel module but as kernel is a different arch and I don't know about cross-compiling, I thought using modules-assistant from a running client might be the answer.
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| 08:45 | <daduke> Munkie: if you just do it once from one connected client, you should be safe. Just make sure only one client mounts the fs. You also might have to circumvent the tmpfs overlay.
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| 08:45 | <val_> daduke which pack i need install "unfs3 nfs-user-server nfs-kernel-server"?
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| 08:46 | <Munkie> daduke: ok, thanks
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| 08:46 | <tuff> daduke: we did a migration to ubuntu/ltsp-5 and local devices worked. Today I went to the client and noticed that local devices do not work. started to debug and arrived at that particular line. when I commented it out, mounting started to work on that terminal.
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| 08:46 | <daduke> val_: which distro? nfs-kernel-server should be fine
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| 08:47 | <val_> etch
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| 08:47 | debian
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| 08:48 | <daduke> tuff: ubuntu might be more up to date than etch. Maybe they fixed it already. But then, this line was still there...
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| 08:48 | val_: nfs-kernel-server
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| 08:49 | <val_> ok ltsp admin tell me: " nfs Yes Yes no"
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| 08:49 | <tuff> daduke: I just remembered, just before leaving I popped the usb drive to another terminal and it also worked. This should count as second user, although I logged out from first terminal.
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| 08:49 | <daduke> val_: iirc ltsp_admin is from an older ltsp version.
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| 08:50 | <val_> <daduke> all greate
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| 08:50 | but it s jumping so crazly
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| 08:50 | <tuff> the first user thing should come from that when ssh does X forwarding it sets the display to localhost:10.0 for first user on that machine
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| 08:50 | <daduke> tuff: not sure about that, I think it's 'first of the logged-in users'
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| 08:51 | <tuff> second user gets 11.0 and so on. So removing the line should actually make it work for all.
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| 08:51 | <daduke> tuff: yeah sure, but even with this line gone it doesn't work for serveral users on several machines
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| 08:53 | <val_> daduke modprobe: Fatal. Faild to open config file /etc/modprobe.devfs
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| 08:53 | may be some wrong in configs
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| 08:56 | <Gadi> morning, guys. There is definitely that multi-user bug in the latest localdev stuff: You need to edit /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter and comment out the line: that sets the DISPLAY env var to localhost:10
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| 09:04 | <tuff> thanks for confirming that the line is the problem
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| 09:04 | gotta go now
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| 09:06 | <daduke> Gadi: we've been talking about this.. problem is, in my setup removing this line allows mounting per se, but multi-user mounting still doesn't work
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> daduke: do you insert the USB stick *beore* logging in thru ldm?
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| 09:08 | when you test?
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| 09:08 | because I believe there is another line in: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S10-delayed-mounter that needs changing
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| 09:08 | (add a "-X" to the ssh line there)
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| 09:09 | and, if you are on ubuntu, reroll the image
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| 09:09 | (ltsp-update-image)
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| 09:09 | <daduke> Gadi: no, after logging in. I added the -X (it's necessary to correct for an ssh token that's gone). I'm on etch -> direct nfs.
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| 09:11 | <Gadi> daduke: can you switch to a shell on the thin client and list the processes
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| 09:11 | see if there is an ssh process hanging after the big one
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| 09:12 | <daduke> Gadi: sure, hold on a sec
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| 09:14 | Gadi: with or w/o USB stick plugged in? 'the big one' being what?
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| 09:14 | Gadi: w/o stick, there's no ssh process
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> if you do: ps -ef|grep ssh
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| 09:14 | there should be 2 normally
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| 09:15 | then, when you plug in the USB
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| 09:15 | there should be a third for a few secs that goes away
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| 09:15 | unless it hangs
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| 09:15 | thats the one issuing the ltspfsmounter command
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| 09:16 | <daduke> Gadi: ah wait, I disabled LDM_DIRECTX. I guess that why I don't have one.
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| 09:16 | <Gadi> nah, you should still have
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| 09:16 | with or without LDM_DIRECTX
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| 09:17 | <daduke> Gadi: ps -ef|grep ssh just shows me the grep line
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| 09:17 | <Gadi> on the thin client?
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| 09:18 | <daduke> Gadi: yup. I swear ;)
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| 09:18 | <Gadi> do you use ldm?
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| 09:18 | <daduke> Gadi: yup.
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| 09:18 | <Gadi> and are you logged into a session?
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| 09:22 | <daduke> Gadi: got me there. No, I wasn't.
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| 09:22 | Gadi: sorry
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> my bad
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| 09:22 | :)
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| 09:23 | once you login, you should have 2 ssh procs running
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| 09:23 | when you insert a USB, you should see a third
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| 09:23 | that should go away quickly
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| 09:23 | so, if you see only 2 that may be ok
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| 09:23 | but, if you see the third and it just sits there, then thats not good
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| 09:24 | <daduke> Gadi: yes, you're right. 2 and ... one with ltspfsmounter
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> does ltspfsmounter go away?
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| 09:26 | <daduke> Gadi: I have to reboot to get things straight...
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> ok
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| 09:26 | side question: do you have any problems with not being able to logout fully?
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| 09:26 | and needing to reboot the terminal to get back a login screen?
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| 09:27 | <daduke> Gadi: nope, that's fine. Is it related?
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| 09:27 | * daduke just checks again to make sure... | |
| 09:28 | <Gadi> it could be - I have one deployment atm that has that problem, and I have been trying to figure out what's gumming up the works - its quite bizarre - but prolly unrelated to your issue atm
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| 09:29 | <daduke> Gadi: logging out works fine.
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| 09:31 | Gadi: ok, no stick -> 2 sshs, but it says 'ltspfsmounter all cleanup' in the second one already.
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> thats for after you logout
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| 09:31 | it cleans up ltspfs mounts
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| 09:32 | <daduke> Gadi: with stick -> don't see a third, maybe I'm too slow.. try again..
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| 09:33 | Gadi: ah, got it. /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter. Gone again after 0.5 s
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> ok, thats good
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| 09:34 | <daduke> Gadi: now let me try on a second client...
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| 09:34 | <Gadi> ah, gotta run to a meeting
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| 09:34 | brb
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| 09:51 | <daniQ> cliebow - ello
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| 09:52 | <cliebow> daniq:Hi!! how goes ?
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| 09:53 | getting bigger>?
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| 10:09 | <daduke> Gadi: I'm on my way home, back in this channel in 30 min. Mounting on a 2nd client/user doesn't work, I don't see the ltspfsmount ssh, but I do see the volume icon of the first user (no access tho).
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| 10:10 | <daniQ> cliebow - much bigger...it's amazing how much weight you can put on in 6 months..but i haven't doubled it size or anything so i think i'm still good. i keep thinking of manatee's .
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| 10:10 | <cliebow> hahahha
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| 10:11 | leigh keeps thinking of you..
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| 10:11 | <daniQ> cliebow - i am having some computer issues on the microcr*p side..something about spyware on the registry keys and i have been trying to get rid of it but it keeps poping up. something happened during the last power outage that made that side weird.
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| 10:12 | i miss leigh...maybe i'll call her at work and pester her with baby questions....
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| 10:12 | <cliebow> i see..you have adaware and spybotsd there??
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| 10:12 | she would love to hear from you
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| 10:12 | <daniQ> yes...we have some sort of spywear program and i use it regularly...
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| 10:13 | i hate it when the internet seems scary
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| 10:13 | <cliebow> you might have to start in safe mode with f8 at bootup and run adaware/spybot
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| 10:14 | <daniQ> i didn't know of you could look at it maybe over your x-mas break...i would use the ubuntu side more if the sound would work
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| 10:14 | i'd buy you as many coke's as you would want : )
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| 10:15 | and trade some gardening next year
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| 10:18 | <cliebow> sure..any time...we should upgrade to gutsy while we are at it...you donr need modem anymore right??
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| 10:26 | <daniQ> no i have DSL...whenever you have time...is gutsy brand new and full of funky quirks or had it been out for a few months
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| 10:29 | <cliebow> out for a couple months..
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| 10:35 | <daniQ> sounds good then....
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| 10:35 | <sid> Gadi: ping
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> sid: pong
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| 10:35 | <sid> Gadi: May I pm you?
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> ok - but I don't put out on the first pm
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| 10:36 | <sid> hehe
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| 10:36 | <cliebow> daniq:still going to P.O.??
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| 10:38 | <daniQ> no...she needed so much time from me and i really didn't want to lift all the heavy packages anymore. i might re-apply in a few years but i'll do it as a clerk not a PMR
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| 10:38 | i wish i had worked for leigh
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| 10:38 | <cliebow> so far away..
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| 10:39 | <daniQ> yes but a more understanding boss...not that i was in a bad situation but i felt like my main gardening job wasn't respected as a real thing
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| 10:40 | <daduke_> Gadi: I'm back.
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| 10:40 | <daniQ> i left on good terms so i didn't close the door
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| 10:40 | <Gadi> daduke_: welcome, welcome
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| 10:41 | <jcastro> ogra_: around?
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| 10:41 | <rjune> Gadi !
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| 10:41 | <Gadi> juney!!!
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| 10:41 | <rjune> how goes it?
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| 10:41 | <Gadi> it goes.
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| 10:41 | and by you?
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| 10:50 | <cliebow> leigh wasnt too struck on the organizational ability of "Diane"
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| 10:51 | <rjune> not too bad, I'm breathing
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| 10:51 | eating
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| 10:51 | <ace_suares> !seen ogra
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| 10:51 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 2 days, 15 hours, 17 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <ogra> enjoy your evening :)
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| 10:51 | <rjune> all that jazz
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| 10:51 | <ace_suares> hi all !
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| 10:51 | <rjune> I made pecan praline yesterday, that was apparently good.
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> yum
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| 10:51 | <ace_suares> rjune: where can I dowload ? :-)
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| 10:52 | I got a weird problem
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| 10:52 | on the thin client, gnome runs, but the panel bar can not be accessed, the menus won't open etc
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| 10:52 | on the server, it works better, but several panel apps crash on startup
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| 10:53 | Probably somethign stupid on my side, but has anyone heard about this problem ?
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| 11:05 | <daniQ> Cliebow - that was the most frustrating part...your wife is amazing and when i worked for her (1 time) everything was better and less stressful
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| 11:08 | <ogra_> jcastro:
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| 11:09 | jcastro: in seville at the guadalinex dev conference
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| 11:09 | <johnny> ogra_, howdy, i learned how to build deb packages finally, took me a few tries to make it work
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| 11:09 | got virtualbox working, and now am able to test stuff
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| 11:09 | had to patch the src for host 2.6.24 kernel
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| 11:10 | <ogra_> for virtualbox ?
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| 11:10 | <johnny> yes
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| 11:10 | <ogra_> the patch is in launchpad, i filed a bug with it last week
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| 11:10 | <ogra_> anyway, need to chane rooms here ... not sure i can come back (network wonky and IRC actually blocked)
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| 11:11 | see you guys
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| 11:11 | <cliebow> see ya
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| 11:11 | <ace_suares> have fun ogra!
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| 11:15 | <jcastro> ogra_: ok, i'll catch you when you return
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| 11:15 | <jcastro> ogra_: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/klibc/+bug/175324
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| 11:16 | someone found a rather nasty bug that breaks ltsp on gutsy with cisco switches with a feature enabled, just wanted to point it out to you
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| 11:19 | <ace_suares> hi
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| 11:19 | from the tc i can login but i can not click on any menu .. nothing happens.
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| 11:19 | on the server, all works well !
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| 11:19 | I expereince this with a normal account as well as an admin account...
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| 11:20 | gotta go now see ya later.
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> jcastro: i wonder if that's related to a problem i've been having ...
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| 11:28 | no, no... it happens much ealier
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| 11:31 | <Gadi> vagrantc: hey, you got an ltsp5 setup handy to try something?
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| 11:32 | <vagrantc> Gadi: just virtualbox
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| 11:32 | Gadi: what sort of something?
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| 11:32 | <Gadi> ah, well, that might help
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| 11:32 | I am still trying to route out a problem at a client's and have been running various tests
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| 11:32 | all of which come up fishy
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| 11:33 | I have set it up so I can ssh to the thin client
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| 11:33 | if I ssh into the thin client, with the user logged in, I am trying to just execute: ssh -X -S <socket> <server> echo hi
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| 11:33 | and that keeps hanging on me
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| 11:33 | when, of course itshould not
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| 11:34 | I am trying to find out what's guming up my ssh socket
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| 11:34 | <cyberorg> Gadi, ssh -vvv -X -S <socket> <server> echo hi
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| 11:35 | <Gadi> cyberorg: yeah, it hangs trying to read from the socket
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| 11:35 | root@ltsp:~# ssh -vvv -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.0.253 192.168.0.253 echo hi
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| 11:35 | OpenSSH_4.6p1 Debian-5build1, OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007
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| 11:35 | debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
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| 11:35 | debug1: Applying options for *
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| 11:35 | debug3: ssh_msg_send: type 1
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| 11:35 | debug3: ssh_msg_recv entering
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| 11:36 | very frustrating to say the least.
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| 11:36 | <Gadi> I can also ssh from another machine to the server with a control socket and everything is peachy
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| 11:37 | ah, wait a minute
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| 11:37 | I think I found something!
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| 11:37 | <Gadi> the date on the thin client is ahead of the one on the server
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| 11:37 | <cliebow> hmmm
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| 11:41 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 11:41 | maybe thatsnotit
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| 12:06 | <Gadi> OMG!!!!
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| 12:06 | I found the problem!
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| 12:06 | xterminator....
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| 12:06 | *sigh*
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| 12:06 | * Gadi needs to file a rather large BUG | |
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| 12:15 | <lns> Gadi, what with xterminator, that you had it installed?
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> lns: indeed - it was killing too much
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| 12:18 | now, maybe I had an older version or something
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| 12:18 | <lns> hrm
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> but, when I removed it - all is better
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| 12:18 | my users weren't able to logout
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| 12:18 | <lns> veeeery interesting!
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> it would stop at the gnome background wallpaper
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| 12:19 | and get stuck
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| 12:19 | finally realized it was due to xterminator in the Xsession.d
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| 12:19 | moved that out of the way and presto!
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| 12:19 | <lns> maybe xterminator killed a process too soon? I thought it was supposed to wait a specified amount of time before starting to kill stuff
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> took FOREVER to find that one
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| 12:20 | * Gadi thinks it may have killed the master socket connections | |
| 12:20 | <Gadi> er, connection
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| 12:20 | <lns> aahh, for the thin client connection itself?
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> that would explain why I couldn't attach future procs to the master socket
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| 12:20 | and why things would hang
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| 12:20 | yeah
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| 12:21 | <lns> is the master socket supposed to be owned by a logged in user?
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| 12:21 | <Gadi> I feel like I'm on "House"
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| 12:21 | that would explain all the symptoms
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| 12:21 | ;)
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| 12:21 | <lns> that's really weird to me..although i don't completely understand the scenario
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| 12:22 | you would think the ssh socket would be owned by someone other than a user that logs in after ldm is started.. ?
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> well, in ldm Gutsy, we establish a master ssh socket first, before the session one
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| 12:22 | scotty calls it a "sentinel"
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| 12:22 | I believe
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| 12:22 | <lns> ok
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> that's the one with LTSP_ROCKS in it
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| 12:22 | if you've ever seen that
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| 12:22 | <lns> nope =p
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| 12:22 | not yet anyway
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> well, at a thin client shell, do: ps -ef|grep ssh
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| 12:23 | after you log into ldm
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| 12:23 | you'll see it
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| 12:23 | <lns> k
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> anyhow, I think xterminator was killing the socket on the server end
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| 12:24 | even tho it was still open on the client end
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| 12:24 | <lns> aahh... therefore borking the session upon logout
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> so, sshd on the server was having trouble closing the socket
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| 12:24 | <lns> at that precise instant during logout and xterminator activates
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| 12:25 | <Gadi> and, my removable media was broken bec udev on the client tried to send signals thru the broken socket
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| 12:25 | <lns> ooo
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| 12:25 | <Gadi> nah - it broke the session on login
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| 12:25 | but the second ssh session had already connected
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| 12:25 | and I waas using LDM_DIRECTX, so the session was fine
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| 12:25 | <lns> xterminator activates on login too?
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| 12:25 | <Gadi> (didnt rely on the ssh xproxy)
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| 12:26 | <Gadi> xterminator only runs on login
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| 12:26 | thru Xsession.d
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| 12:26 | <lns> ooh
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| 12:26 | ok..confused with an earlier LP bug workaround
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| 12:26 | * Gadi slaps head - it all makes so much sense now | |
| 12:26 | <lns> haha
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| 12:26 | good work!
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| 12:26 | <Gadi> *sigh*
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| 12:26 | that one plagues me for weeks now
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| 12:26 | er, plagued
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| 12:27 | <lns> wow, you had not-to-be-logged-out-users for weeks?
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| 12:27 | <Gadi> yeah - they got used to cycling the power on the clients in themorning
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| 12:27 | er, morning
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| 12:27 | <lns> oh man
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| 12:27 | hehe
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| 12:27 | <Gadi> not that they were happy
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| 12:27 | :)
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| 12:28 | <lns> iyou on gutsy?
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| 12:28 | s/iyou/you
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| 12:29 | * lns remembers "...in Gutsy ldm" | |
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| 12:30 | <lns> i thought i remembered a conversation last week w/moquist and he said xterminator isn't supposed to work on gutsy yet
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| 12:30 | maybe cuz of this ;)
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| 12:30 | <Gadi> heh
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| 12:30 | * Gadi should talk to moquist more often | |
| 12:30 | <Gadi> new years resolution
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| 12:30 | <lns> =p~
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| 12:31 | <Janet32766> help!? all my thin clients stopped booting, console login works, any guidelines on how to diagnose?
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| 12:31 | <lns> Janet32766, what did you do?! =p
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| 12:31 | <Janet32766> 3 months with no reboot maybe
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| 12:31 | <lns> j/k...but seriously, what happened last that might have caused different behavior?
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| 12:31 | so you rebooted and it started doing that
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| 12:32 | <vagrantc> changes in hardware, software ...
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| 12:32 | <Janet32766> no, haven't rebooted in 3 months, but other procs running on there are mission critical, so i can't reboot
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| 12:32 | no changes
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| 12:32 | <vagrantc> also useful to know what linux distro and version you're running
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| 12:32 | <Gadi> Janet32766: what distro?
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| 12:32 | <Janet32766> seems like gnome doesn't come up
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| 12:32 | 7.04 edubuntu server
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| 12:33 | <Gadi> does gnome come up on the server?
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| 12:33 | <Janet32766> i can drive in and reboot tonight, but 50 thin clients are down now at this school and the kids miss their screens
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| 12:33 | <Gadi> log into the server and check your ip addresses - make sure they came up correctly
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| 12:33 | <Janet32766> yes, console is fine
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| 12:34 | IP addrs haven't changed in ifconfig
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| 12:34 | <Gadi> ps -ale|grep dhcp
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| 12:34 | on the server
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| 12:34 | <Janet32766> dhcp3 is running
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| 12:35 | thin clients get IP,and boot login screen
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| 12:35 | <Gadi> ps -ale|grep nfs
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| 12:35 | oh ok
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| 12:35 | then whats the problem?
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| 12:35 | <lns> Gadi, i think she means it doesn't boot to LDM
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| 12:35 | just textmode login
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| 12:35 | <Gadi> oh...
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| 12:36 | <lns> Janet32766, can you verify that?
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| 12:36 | <Gadi> brb
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| 12:37 | <Janet32766> they just get a black screen after login
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| 12:37 | <lns> Janet32766, define "after login"
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| 12:37 | is the graphical login coming up or no?
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| 12:37 | I.E. ldm
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| 12:37 | <Janet32766> wait
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| 12:38 | graphical login workED, until the thin client hardware rebooted, then it stopped also
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| 12:38 | but screens came up black upon graphical login, when it did work
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| 12:39 | nfsd4 and 8 other nfsd procs are running
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| 12:39 | <vagrantc> so it sounds like gnome isn't working
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| 12:40 | <Janet32766> would that make graphical logins fail after hardware reboot?
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| 12:40 | * vagrantc watches as apt's default of pulling in recommends downloads everything under the sun into the ltsp chroot | |
| 12:40 | <lns> yikes
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| 12:41 | <vagrantc> Janet32766: if the terminals were rebooted without properly logging out, there may be processes running that mess up future logins
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| 12:41 | Janet32766: you could test by adding a new user and seeing if they have the problem
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| 12:42 | * vagrantc nominates "user's not being able to log in with black screen" problem of the month | |
| 12:42 | <lns> hahah
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| 12:42 | <Janet32766> there are 200 users, and all of them can no longer log in
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| 12:42 | * lns votes in secrecy | |
| 12:42 | <Gadi> Janet32766: try: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 12:43 | <vagrantc> Janet32766: can you create a NEW user, and try to log in with that user. if so, then maybe you have hung processes
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| 12:43 | for the OLD users
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| 12:43 | <vagrantc> Gadi's suggestion is also good
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| 12:46 | <Q-FUNK> re
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| 12:46 | <Janet32766> and all seem to get this msg "GConf server is not in use, shutting down."
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| 12:47 | <Gadi> Janet32766: they get that msg where?
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| 12:47 | <Janet32766> in /var/log/messages
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| 12:47 | <vagrantc> on login, or on logout?
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| 12:47 | <Janet32766> login
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| 12:48 | <vagrantc> sounds like something very wrong with gnome
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| 12:48 | if you're getting messages like that when they log in ...
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| 12:48 | Janet32766: can you see if there are processes running as those users?
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| 12:48 | <vagrantc> and know which are logged in and which aren't?
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| 12:49 | <Janet32766> no user procs are active
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| 12:55 | <Janet32766> it is strange that the console boots fine
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| 12:55 | <vagrantc> what do you mean by "console boots fine" ?
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| 12:55 | <Janet32766> gnome
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| 12:56 | <lns> Janet32766, you mean the server console..?
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| 12:56 | <Janet32766> yes
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| 12:56 | <lns> ok
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| 12:56 | have you been doing updates?
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| 12:56 | * vagrantc is confused | |
| 12:56 | <Janet32766> not recently
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| 12:56 | <lns> vagrantc, she means sitting at the server itself gnome works
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| 12:57 | <vagrantc> ah
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| 12:57 | <lns> it sounds like something's borked at the chroot level..?
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| 12:57 | <Janet32766> i've tried to restart gdm, tftpd, nfs.... anything else?
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| 12:58 | <vagrantc> sshd ?
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| 12:58 | openssh-server
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| 12:58 | <Gadi> Janet32766: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 12:59 | <vagrantc> Gadi: if it's logging those gconf messages after each login, it would seem that ldm is connecting and logging in ...
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| 12:59 | so i don't think it's the ssh keys ... though if those messages aren't actually happening at each login, it certainly could be ssh keys.
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| 12:59 | <lns> what about kernel inconsistencies? could you have done an update where you have different kernels running on the chroot as you do on the server?
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| 13:00 | <vagrantc> lns: not relevant
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| 13:00 | <lns> oh
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| 13:00 | <Janet32766> ok, i did restart on ssh , and issued ltsp-update-sshkeys.
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| 13:00 | <lns> ok i'll shuttup =p
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| 13:01 | <vagrantc> Janet32766: just to be clear, you get a graphical login screen, and after attempting to log in, you get a black screen?
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| 13:01 | Janet32766: and the gconf messages appear in /var/log/messages ?
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| 13:01 | <Janet32766> yes, but then when i hard booted the devonIT thin clients, i no longer get gui login
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| 13:01 | yes /var/log/messages
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| 13:02 | Dec 10 13:58:52 tma gconfd (roccod-16615): GConf server is not in use, shutting down.
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| 13:04 | i'd reboot, but the school is running asterisk phone system on server, and it is very busy, and sometimes the eth# interfaces swap on reboot and i can't ssh in remotely..
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| 13:13 | <scrapbunny> i am having a problem killing runaway childsplay apps. could anyone tell me what to type in terminal? I have tried sudo killall childsplay and sudo killall python /usr/share/childsplay/childsplay.py and sudo kill with the id number i got from htop
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| 13:14 | <cyberorg> scrapbunny, kill -9 or killall -9
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| 13:14 | <Gadi> scrapbunny: are they zombie?
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| 13:15 | cant kill a zombie
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| 13:18 | <scrapbunny> some are zombie so i guess i will do a server restart
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| 13:18 | <vagrantc> Janet32766: when you say "no longer get a gui login" do you mean a login screen, or when users log in, they it doesn't complete?
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| 13:18 | <scrapbunny> thanks all
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| 13:19 | <Janet32766> seems that vmlinuz is hanging while loading
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| 13:19 | it doesn't seem to be physical network issue, as *gulp* the microsoft pc's are working
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> Janet32766: if it's not even booting a kernel, how do you get messages after login?
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| 13:21 | Janet32766: please, always start at the beginning ...
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| 13:21 | <Janet32766> i'm off site, so all i can to is look at logs and get user reports on phone, but some of the terminals that haven't been power cycled have GUI logins on them, and get the dconf server is not in use msg on attempt
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| 13:21 | <Gadi> oh....
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| 13:21 | lol
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| 13:21 | * Gadi guesses your eth ports got swapped | |
| 13:21 | <Janet32766> gadi: no
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| 13:22 | <Gadi> Janet32766: you can ignore clients that havent rebooted
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| 13:22 | they're whole OS is stale
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| 13:22 | <Janet32766> gadi: i wouldn't be able to ssh in, nor would VOIP phones on network work
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| 13:22 | <Gadi> Janet32766: perhaps you can pastebot your dhcpd.conf file and the output of ifconfig
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| 13:23 | !pastebot
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| 13:23 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 13:25 | <ltsppbot> "Janet32766" pasted "dhcpd.conf" (55 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/394
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| 13:26 | "Janet32766" pasted "ifconfig" (28 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/395
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| 13:28 | <Janet32766> how often do production LTSP shops recommend reboot? (i guess 90 days has been good for us...)
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| 13:29 | <Gadi> Janet32766: also, in /var/log/syslog, are there messages when thin clients make the DHCPREQUEST?
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| 13:30 | <Janet32766> y, w
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| 13:30 | * vagrantc has had LTSP servers running for over a year without reboot | |
| 13:32 | <Gadi> Janet32766: and add the following line to dhcpd.conf:
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| 13:32 | <Gadi> next-server 192.168.1.1;
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| 13:33 | inside your subnet decl
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| 13:33 | then restart dhcp
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| 13:33 | <Gadi> also, when you get a chance, whats the output of: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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| 13:37 | <ltsppbot> "Janet32766" pasted "syslog grep -i dhcp" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/396
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| 13:43 | <Janet32766> gadi: next-server added and dhcpd3-server restart'ed, tc's still no boot, stuck loading vmlinuz
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> Janet32766: were the ifaces always eth0 and eth2 on the server?
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| 13:45 | <Janet32766> gadi: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward = 1
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| 13:45 | yes on eth0/2
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| 13:46 | gadi: and both ifaces seem to work, VoIP phones on 192.168.1.1 subnet working fine, as are microsoft clients
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| 13:46 | <Gadi> iptables -t nat -L
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| 13:47 | is there a POSTROUTING rule there?
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| 13:48 | <ltsppbot> "Janet32766" pasted "iptables" (23 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/397
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| 13:49 | <Janet32766> i'll restart firehol
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| 13:50 | <Gadi> well, this would affect the VOIP and MS clients, but you can try taking down the firewall and rebooting the clients
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| 13:51 | (at least to test)
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| 13:51 | <Janet32766> does my iptables pastebin look like it has problems?
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| 13:52 | <Gadi> not sure - you have lots of proying going on - maybe for the IP phones?
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| 13:52 | the MASQUERADE line is so your MS boxes can get out to the internet
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| 13:53 | your server is playing role as router + NAT fw
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| 13:53 | <Janet32766> yes on MASQ. no thin-clients makes the kids mad, no VoIP would make the school admin mad :)
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| 13:53 | <Gadi> right
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| 13:53 | can you pastebot: iptables -L
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| 13:53 | (those are the regular rules)
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| 13:55 | <ltsppbot> "Janet32766" pasted "iptables -L" (236 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/398
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| 13:55 | <Gadi> whoa!
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| 13:56 | <Janet32766> thank you firehol :) honest, it's been working for 3 months!
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| 13:57 | <Gadi> are you sure firehol is not blocking tcp traffic from the thin clients?
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| 13:57 | or maybe bandwidth shaping for the VOIP phones?
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| 13:57 | maybe its slowing down the download of the kernel
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| 13:58 | to QoS the VOIP traffic
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| 13:59 | * Gadi wonders what iptables looked like pre-reboot | |
| 13:59 | <Janet32766> only QoS is on separate router, tc's get DHCP, wouldn't that imply that it's TCP is clear?
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| 14:00 | uptime: 14:59:36 up 85 days, 7:51, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.06, 0.01
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> DHCP = tcp/67
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| 14:00 | TFTP is different
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| 14:00 | up 85 days?
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| 14:00 | I thought you said you rebooted?
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| 14:01 | <Janet32766> i can reboot tonight, but not now due to VoIP phones
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| 14:01 | <Gadi> right - but you said this all happened after a reboot
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| 14:01 | *started happening
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| 14:02 | <Janet32766> if i power cycle *thin-clients*, i no longer get GUI login
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| 14:02 | <Gadi> oh - and when did that start happening?
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| 14:02 | <Janet32766> 3 hrs ago
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| 14:02 | * Gadi picked a hell of a day to stop sniffing glue | |
| 14:02 | <Janet32766> for no known reason
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| 14:02 | <Gadi> ok
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| 14:03 | <Janet32766> any way to make sure tftpd is working?
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> and VOIP goes through the same server and the same switches and such
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| 14:03 | <Janet32766> yes
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| 14:03 | as do DHCP requests
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| 14:03 | for TC's
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| 14:04 | <Gadi> netstat -anp|grep :69
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| 14:04 | tftp = udp/69
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| 14:04 | you are not blocking udp with your firewall are you?
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| 14:05 | <Janet32766> not that i know of. nothing major has changed in months
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| 14:05 | <Gadi> well, I have never seen some of your dhcpd.conf params
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| 14:05 | take out: option boot-server "ftp://192.168.1.1";
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| 14:06 | <Janet32766> that is required for Polycom phones
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 14:06 | I figured
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| 14:06 | nm then
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| 14:06 | <Janet32766> netstat -anp|grep ":69" = udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 6101/inetd
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> that looks fine
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| 14:07 | and you didnt change any firewall settings, huh?
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| 14:08 | hmm....
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> and both eth0 and eth2 are static IP?
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| 14:09 | <Janet32766> no, but i did have users getting reporting gnome errs last couple wks, i'd mv their .* settings and it would start working. yes, both static
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| 14:10 | <Gadi> maybe there's just too much traffic being pumped through the switch
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| 14:10 | with VOIP+kernel d/l
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| 14:15 | <Janet32766> thanks for your effort, i'll reboot tonight and report
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| 14:20 | <Gadi> Janet32766: sorry couldnt be more help -> you should know that VOIP and X are two very bandwidth hungry folks
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| 14:21 | when the pipe gets choked, weird things can happen
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| 14:21 | especially since LTSP uses a mounted filesystem on the thin client rather than a ramfs
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| 17:14 | <lns> has anyone had issues using OOo Writer/Presenter and the Picture gallery, locking up LTSP clients? (Ubuntu Gutsy AMD64 w/i386 chroot)
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| 17:30 | <lns> I've had a whole class doing a lesson with OpenOffice Writer, and when each one of the 35 students went to drag/drop pictures from "Tools -> Gallery" into their document, it locks the terminal.
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| 18:04 | <jammcq> helloooooo
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| 18:06 | <lns> jammcq, I am alone in a chan full of slackers ;)
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| 18:37 | <ari_stress> morning everyone
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| 18:42 | <lns> 'evening ari_stress
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| 18:42 | <ari_stress> :D
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| 18:42 | how's life lns?
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| 18:43 | <lns> ya don't hear that much in #ltsp! =p It's going well ari_stress, how bout you?
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| 18:53 | <ari_stress> lns: i'm in pretty much headache setting up printing in ltsp5 feisty
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| 18:53 | <ari_stress> i attach a printer to client1, from client1 i can print to it, but from other clients/server i cannot print. error message: host busy, will retry in 30 secs
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