IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 21 January 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:20 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i finally figured out why it was (re)generating a server key in the ltsp chroot ... i install "epoptes" in the chroot! :_)
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| 01:20 | <alkisg> Aaaah got it :)
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| 01:28 | In /etc/cups/ssl I have a pair of keys which are symlinks to /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem... I wonder if we could reuse some machine keys instead of generating our own
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| 03:42 | <slicknick5181> Anyone have any experience getting macs booted?
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| 04:47 | <killermike> Hi all. Does anyone know the "proper" command to restart DHCP in Ubuntu 11.10. There are quite a few older ones that don't work now.
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| 04:52 | <vagrantc> sudo service isc-dhcp-server restart
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| 04:52 | i think ... if it did what debian did
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| 04:53 | <killermike> That did it, thanks.
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| 04:53 | I've gathered about three likely candidates that no longer work x-/
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| 04:54 | <vagrantc> hopefully, that sticks for a few releases
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| 05:41 | <VectorX> does a fat client need a hdd ?
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| 06:34 | <alkisg> VectorX: no
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| 06:44 | <alkisg> slicknick5181: check the irc logs, we helped a person here boot mac computers a few months ago
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| 06:46 | <VectorX> ok im running the setup for fat clients, its taking some time to download
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| 06:47 | ubuntu, also i cant seem to login to the client on Default session setting, i have to go change it to Ubuntu 2D
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| 06:47 | otherwise after login the screen flashes and its back to the login prompt
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| 06:52 | <slicknick5181> Try to update the keys
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| 06:52 | <VectorX> yeah but it logs in if the change the session, so its authenticating
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| 06:54 | ie, if you click on Preferences in the login screen then, Select Session
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| 06:54 | <slicknick5181> What server are you running Ubuntu 11.10?
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| 06:54 | <VectorX> yeah
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| 06:55 | <alkisg> VectorX: maybe your client card doesn't support 3d properly, or it's a compiz bug, etc. What graphics card does the client have?
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| 06:55 | <vagrantc> slicknick5181: powerpc or intel based macs?
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| 06:55 | <VectorX> alkisg nvidia gtx 9800
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| 06:55 | <slicknick5181> Intel Macbook
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| 06:57 | I don't know why your session will not work, But there is a way to change the default session for clients if ubuntu 2d is not a big issue for you
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| 06:58 | vagrantc: intel macbook - Have you had experiences with these?
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| 06:58 | <VectorX> yeah i guess its ok, i dont see anything 3d running anyway, where is it set
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| 06:59 | <vagrantc> slicknick5181: sorry, only really know powerpc, and that not very well
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| 07:01 | <slicknick5181> vagrantc: I did some research and it appears as though even Mac servers sometimes have issues I'm just giving up it's not worth it
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| 07:01 | vectorx: hold on just a sec let me see if I can find it again
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| 07:01 | <alkisg> slicknick5181: did you try gpxe/ipxe?
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| 07:01 | !gpxe
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| 07:01 | <ltsp`> alkisg: gpxe: the successor to etherboot (http://etherboot.org). To download bootable floppy, cd, usb, kernel etc images, visit http://rom-o-matic.net/
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| 07:02 | <alkisg> From the web, "On the topic of gPXE, I was amazed to discover that it even worked on a dual-core Intel MacBook. Mac has no native support for PXE..."
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| 07:04 | <slicknick5181> alkisg: That would explain my issue but I have no Cd drive, I accidentally removed myself from sudoers list, and can not boot from usb
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| 07:08 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I'm reading make-ssl-cert, and trying to see if we should be using that, to generate the epoptes certificate, or even if we should be using the default /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key... Btw they're telling openssl to generate a certificate valid for 10 years.
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| 07:09 | There's also a group named "ssl-cert" which we could use instead of "epoptes", if it makes sense...
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| 12:59 | <VectorX> got the server connected to a unmanaged switch, most of the time it changes to 100mbps, how can i stop this and keep it at 1gbps ?
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| 13:14 | <muppis> VectorX, try to force with mii-tool
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| 13:17 | <VectorX> hmm what would that command look like coz im only seeing 100base
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| 13:18 | ie -F 100base(something)
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| 13:19 | <muppis> 1000baseTx-FD
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| 13:21 | <VectorX> sudo mii-tool eth0 -F 1000baseT-FD, eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok
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| 13:21 | did a -v and 1000baseT-FD was an option there wasnt a Tx with 1000
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| 13:21 | its not changing the link though
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| 13:22 | <muppis> Vendor of nic or switch?
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| 13:26 | <VectorX> DGS-1008D switch, DGE 528T NIC
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| 13:28 | <VectorX> both dlink
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| 13:28 | <gvy> yay, that 2.6.32 boots on 16M RAM again! :)
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| 13:28 | <muppis> It can be only me, but so far D-Link has been synonym for network related problems..
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| 13:29 | <VectorX> hmm
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| 13:29 | what do you think i should do, go tplink then ?
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| 13:29 | <gvy> muppis, depends on the part of the network and experience
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| 13:29 | tplink is *way* worse to me so far (as in dual-wan routers and wifi)
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| 13:29 | <VectorX> what do you recomend
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| 13:30 | <gvy> sorry for coming late, but for what part of which network?
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| 13:30 | <VectorX> i dodnt really have too many options here
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| 13:30 | <gvy> and they are?
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| 13:31 | <muppis> No experience from tp-link. I personally use Broadcom's switches and nics.
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| 13:31 | <VectorX> gvy the server connection to the switch goes from green to amber, which means 1gbps to 100mbps
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| 13:31 | <gvy> dlink had awful routers/wifi back in the day of overheating hardware and chinese firmware but that's rather over
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| 13:31 | VectorX, I'd check the patch and connectors, preferably by checking one or two other pieces
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| 13:32 | erm, by replacing the patch with some other one if it's feasible
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| 13:33 | <VectorX> yeah i was thinking the same, unfortunately i only got a few, probably go buy some good ones on monday
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| 13:33 | <gvy> there are rather inexpensive hp procurve switches as a generic recommendation but that might be not the best bang per buck ratio for your particular situation
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| 13:33 | you should have some spares handy anyway, they won't just collect dust forever :)
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| 13:33 | if you can, replace with a patch from a workstation for some time, just to check
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| 13:34 | maybe the two additional pairs used for gigabit are faulty or misjacked
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| 13:40 | <VectorX> yeah just did that, and now its 1gbps
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| 13:40 | <muppis> :D
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| 13:40 | <VectorX> the cable from the adsl router is 100mbps anyway, so switched the 2
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| 13:45 | <gvy> :)
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| 13:45 | muppis, diags is not exactly namecalling :)
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| 13:50 | <muppis> gvy, I know. I just thought cable are already checked. :)
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| 13:55 | We got D-Link's wlan at work. I need to reboot it once a week to keep it running. It's only used by phones and probably only for email checking.
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| 14:02 | <VectorX> :)
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| 14:07 | <gvy> muppis, the most obvious cause usually manages to escape attention :)
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| 14:07 | <muppis> Mostly.
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| 14:08 | <gvy> muppis, maybe it's worth updating the firmware or changing to *wrt one (but I stick with factory one on dir-300 at home since it just works and I've got enough other toys to play with)
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| 14:09 | <muppis> Firmware is in the latest one and wrt doesn't support that model.
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| 14:10 | Or at least by dd-wrt, haven't checked openwrt.
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> For some reason, when clients login to FAT clients, an /etc/cups/client.conf file is automatically generated, with "ServerName server-ip" as its contents. At logoff, it's erased.
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| 14:21 | That file prevents the clients from seeing the local printers though, as it overrides the default "ServerName localhost"
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| 14:21 | Any idea how to stop that file from being automatically generated, except than... creating a directory with that name? (that works but it's a very silly workaround...)
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| 14:26 | <muppis> Does it get generated if file exist?
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> Yes, and unfortunately chattr doesn't work with squashfs/tmpfs
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| 14:27 | At least with the client.conf directory hack, I can put printers in any fat client in the school, with dynamic ips etc, and anyone can see them... it's just a very silly workaround :(
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| 14:28 | <muppis> Well. If it works, why to mind it?
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| 14:29 | <alkisg> To create a proper how/solution/script for it, to have it work without any workarounds at all, to be easier for other people to do the same
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| 14:29 | I'm not only caring for myself :)
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| 14:29 | <muppis> I know.
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| 14:30 | May be you should look up that script (if it is a script) which generates that file and to a patch for that.
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| 14:31 | <alkisg> I was able to use inotifywait to see that something creates/deletes that file on login, but I wasn't able to see what script creates it
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| 14:45 | <muppis> I just upgraded my server to 11.10 and recreated chroot from scratch. After login to thin got empty panels and no menus at all, even I wiped user the home dir.
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| 14:51 | Is there way to select Gnome Shell as default?
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| 15:45 | <tristezo2k> Hello *
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| 15:46 | I just setup an ltsp server and a client using virtualbox
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| 15:46 | I can boot ok, and it seems to work
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| 15:46 | <tristezo2k> Is there any particular tool to manage users in the ltsp environmen?
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| 15:46 | something like a directory server?
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| 15:47 | should I go ldap?
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| 15:47 | I will need to provide an easy way to add/modify/remove users
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| 15:48 | moreover, is sabayon the recommended way t osetup ltsp clients environment?
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| 15:54 | <komunista> tristezo2k: I am using ldap + lam - the web frontend for ldap, which can easy import accounts from CSV file
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| 16:17 | <tristezo2k> sorry for the delay komunista
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| 16:17 | what is lam in this context?
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| 16:17 | I am trying to solve my problems in advance :)
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| 16:18 | oh
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| 16:18 | ldap-account-manager
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| 16:18 | great.
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| 16:18 | I was thinking that way too...
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| 16:18 | <komunista> yes, ldap-account-manager
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| 16:19 | <tristezo2k> and setup ltsp clients to authenticate at the ltsp server
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| 16:19 | Will go that way.
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| 16:19 | Thanks komunista for your help :)
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| 16:23 | <komunista> tristezo2k: you have set the LTSP server for ldap
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| 16:24 | because, the LTSP server is machine, where are clients loged in
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| 16:25 | <gvy> tristezo2k, if all of your users work on a single terminal server, you have no urgent need to mess with ldap or whatever -- just create them locally on the server, and log in from any client
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| 16:27 | <tristezo2k> gvy: well, the need is that the persons who will use this setup
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| 16:27 | are quite technicall challenged
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| 16:27 | I can´t rely on asking them to log on the server and perform not even the simplest administration tasks
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| 16:28 | I might be better using webmin, now that I think of it
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| 16:29 | komunista: yes, I was planning to use openldap at the ltsp server or at other virtual machine.
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| 16:29 | <gvy> tristezo2k, that's just to reiterate: keep things simple
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| 16:30 | <tristezo2k> indeed... the kiss principle :)
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| 16:30 | Will go with webmin.
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| 16:30 | <gvy> there are lots of user friendly frontends for useradd(8), and openldap might prove to be more fragile even if vile bdb backend days are gone
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| 16:30 | if you can add a plain local user on the server, you should be able to log in with the password from a client
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| 16:31 | we used that feature to cut down on maintenance while migrating older workstations from windows
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| 16:31 | (using ALTSP)
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| 16:31 | <tristezo2k> Now that I think of it, what is the relationship between /opt/ltsp chroot with /etc/passwd users?
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| 16:32 | bear with me, this is the second day I work on ltsp
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| 16:32 | <gvy> chroot only serves to get an X server running on a client, roughly
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| 16:32 | the user processes are run on the app server (except for localapps)
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| 16:32 | tristezo2k, np :)
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| 16:32 | <tristezo2k> I understand that, in fact I found that I need a fat client
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| 16:32 | <gvy> ah.
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| 16:32 | <tristezo2k> since I bussiness needs to run softphone
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| 16:32 | at the clients
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| 16:32 | <gvy> that's a different story
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| 16:33 | <tristezo2k> and some other things, and clients are quite powerfull
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| 16:33 | <gvy> I've read of succeffsully using pulseaudio for recording with softphones in callcenters
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| 16:33 | but that might be trickier than getting fat
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| 16:33 | <tristezo2k> THe recording is solved at the asterisk
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| 16:33 | they are migrating a man hour eating WinXP instalation to ltsp
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| 16:34 | <gvy> I meant mic rather than permanent records :)
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| 16:34 | <tristezo2k> Mic?
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| 16:34 | <gvy> microphone
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| 16:34 | <tristezo2k> oh!
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| 16:34 | ok
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| 16:34 | <gvy> SIGSRY
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| 16:35 | well I've got almost no experience with localapps, then you might need ldap or kerberos auth indeed
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| 16:35 | <komunista> tristezo2k: I am using the ldap database for another purposes too, if you need it only for ltsp, the ldap is very, very big for this
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| 16:35 | <tristezo2k> agreed komunista
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| 16:35 | <gvy> +1
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| 16:35 | <tristezo2k> I think I will go with webmin
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| 16:35 | thanks a lot for your experiences :)
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| 18:46 | <slicknick5181> If I have a dhcp server in my router do I need to config dhcpd.conf
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| 18:51 | <gvy> for network boot? rather yes since average router firmware won't provide the means to pass the needed options
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| 18:54 | <slicknick5181> gvy: thanks, Also when I installed ubuntu server I used the Ethernet card for Internet during installation but now I want to use that card just for the clients. What all might I have to change around
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| 18:54 | <gvy> you might want *two* cards :)
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| 18:54 | <slicknick5181> Well I have a wifi card for internet
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| 18:54 | <gvy> it's the easiest setup to maintain, imho
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| 18:55 | <slicknick5181> I have | internet modem > wireless > server | -then I want- |server > ethernet card > clients
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