IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 16 October 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:28 | <sbalneav> ogra: Ping
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| 00:31 | <FuriousGeorge> im using ltsp with kubuntu, and while the kde sounds work (like when i log in) neither konqueror nor firefox's audio make it to the client
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| 00:32 | firefox doesnt really surprise me but kubuntu does
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| 00:32 | err, i mean konqueror
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| 00:34 | <FuriousGeorge> surely there is some way to change that, right?
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| 00:34 | <cyberorg> FuriousGeorge, install libflashsupport
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| 00:34 | <sbalneav> Yup, that'll fix the firefox
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| 00:35 | <FuriousGeorge> libflash? ill try it next time im there in the morning... that isn't the same thing as the flash-plugin i manually installed for ff?
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| 00:36 | (and konqui)
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| 00:36 | <sbalneav> no, libflashsupport is to redirect the flash plugin to use alsa/pulseaudio
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| 00:39 | <FuriousGeorge> sbalneav: cyberorg: awesome, thanks
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| 01:42 | <julius> hi, I have a question relating to ltsp and nfs
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| 01:43 | on the client I am getting an error: nfsmount: error mounting 172.31.100.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /sysroot as nfs: Bad file descriptor
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| 01:44 | on the server I'm getting: mountd[27536]: authenticated mount request from 172.31.100.100:601 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp)
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| 01:45 | is this the right place to ask?
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| 01:54 | <johnny> julius, yes.. i just don't have time to help you with it right at this second
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| 01:58 | <Pascal_1> Bonjour
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| 02:07 | <julius> hi johnny thanks
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| 02:07 | I'll be up another hour
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| 02:21 | <feinbein> hi, does someone know how to activate local harddiscs on ltsp-clients?
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| 02:23 | [default] LOCALDEV=True is in my lts.conf
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| 02:23 | but how do i access the local device on the client?
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| 02:24 | the idea behind is taking images of local harddisks via mondobackup, dd etc
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| 02:26 | or f. ex. crash recovery on Windows pcs not booting
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| 02:53 | <julius> hi johnny do you reckon you'llbe able to help inthe nxt while?
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| 06:05 | <feinbein> hi, anyone knowledgable around?
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| 06:06 | need some help with access to local harddiscs in ltsp-clients
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| 06:06 | [default] LOCALDEV=True is set in lts.conf
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| 06:07 | <nubae> !docs
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| 06:07 | <ltspbot> nubae: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 06:07 | <nubae> the last part of the docs shows how to do that
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| 06:07 | its in the Appendix
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| 06:08 | <feinbein> i have read it but there is no info on how to access localdiscs
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| 06:09 | i just found the parameter for the lts.conf but not how you access a lokal sata or ide disc
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| 06:09 | if i look at /dev/sda1 i get whats on the servers bootpartition
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| 06:09 | <ogra> section 26.1
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| 06:12 | <feinbein> i did exactly that but nothing changed in my clients. How can I now access the disk? Like for ex. to take an image of the entire disk
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| 07:31 | <nubae> hey, I'm being asked, how is dbus-launch works in ltsp
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| 07:37 | <ogra> nubae, it attaches to the servers system dbus
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| 07:37 | <nubae> hmm anyone know if dbus is launched with ----exit-with-session
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| 07:37 | <ogra> which is suboptimal
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| 07:37 | <nubae> I'm trying to debug sugar, which keeps its dbus running after log out
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| 07:38 | <ogra> we dont run dbus explicitly
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| 07:38 | the systems session is responsible for that
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| 07:38 | (gnome-session and the kde equivalent do that)
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| 07:40 | <Blinny> Yeah dbus died for me this morning too.
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| 07:40 | <nubae> any idea, what could cause sessions to keep running after logging out? (on sugar that is)
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| 07:40 | it stops collaboration working :-(
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| 07:40 | <ogra> nubae, i think you need to convince whatever session manager sugar uses to use dbus
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| 07:41 | <nubae> it does use dbus
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| 07:41 | <ogra> well, make it use --exit-with-session
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| 07:41 | tahts what gnome does at least
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| 07:44 | <nubae> so with gnome, it definetly dies, right?
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| 07:44 | so u think this is sugar's session manager that has problems?
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| 08:02 | <nubae> fixed... doing dbus-launch sugar-shell --exit-with-session
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| 08:03 | <ogra> sweet, the new ubuntu logout process works very well, no hanging processes at all
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| 08:03 | sbalneav, looks like the hanging procs issues are solved in intrepid
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| 08:03 | <nubae> nice
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| 08:08 | so running sugar, launches 2 dbus sessions
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| 08:08 | * ogra guesses it has some builtin mechanism already | |
| 08:09 | <nubae> well sugar launches one, where is the other one coming from?
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| 08:09 | <ogra> are you sure thats not the system bus ?
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| 08:10 | <nubae> run by user... and both die on exit, so dont think so
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| 08:10 | btw... do we have ck-launch-session ?
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| 08:46 | <sbalneav> ogra: And guess what
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| 08:46 | <jammcq> Scottty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:47 | <sbalneav> Xsession < /dev/null > /dev/null solves them in Hardy too!
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| 08:47 | hey jammcq!
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| 08:47 | <ogra> sbalneav, in the wrong place though :)
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| 08:48 | gnome-session not cleaning up its mess was the main issue ... though it will help with other session managers as well
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| 08:48 | sbalneav, does that work with arguments given to Xsession like we call it now ?
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| 08:48 | <sbalneav> When I did the < > /dev/null, everything but the gvs-fuse thing exited cleanly
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| 08:48 | and that's a known bug for it.,
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| 08:49 | <ogra> so, "Xsession default < /dev/null > /dev/null" works as well ?
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> yup, that's what I did! sweet
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| 08:50 | <ogra> great
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| 08:50 | <sbalneav> I also exited the session with the ssh -O exit, and that worked well.
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| 08:50 | <ogra> try also with direct paths to session binaries please, thats what we'll do soon by default
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> I'll push a branch with my changes today for the -trunk, and I'll work up a patch + file a bug for hardy.
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| 08:51 | ok, I'll check that too.
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| 08:51 | <ogra> since default is just a magic word
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| 08:51 | resulting in a no-op for ubuntu, but important on fedora i think
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> so Xsession /usr/bin/mygoofysession < /dev/null > /dev/null
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| 08:52 | <ogra> right
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> gotcha
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| 08:52 | I'll test it today/tonight.
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| 08:52 | <ogra> in ubuntu default is ignored and it will just do what it does anyway
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 08:53 | * ogra has to rush out | |
| 08:53 | * sbalneav is so happy | |
| 08:53 | <jammcq> doing the happy dance?
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| 08:54 | * Gadi claps for sbalneav | |
| 08:54 | <sbalneav> That'll solve a lot of problems, methinks
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| 08:54 | <Gadi> sbalneav: also check that it still writes to ~/.xsession-errors
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| 08:54 | * Gadi is not sure if that comes from stdout as well as stderr | |
| 08:55 | <sbalneav> I checked that, it only redirects 2> to .xsession-errors
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| 08:55 | but yeah, I'll double check it
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| 08:55 | When I got it working at 1 am, I just went to bed happy at that point :)
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| 09:08 | <Q-FUNK> stdhorror
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| 09:09 | I keep on wondering why virologists and urologists don't all end up in computer science. I mean, we have these things called stin, stdout, stderror, stdrepeatifnecessary, etc.
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| 09:10 | * _UsUrPeR_ groans | |
| 09:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> q-funk, that was funny in a goofy pun sort of way
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| 09:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> Does anyone have any experience with kiosk mode in Ubuntu?
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| 09:37 | Booting and pulling up the firefox image, compared to normal LTSP operation is incredibly slow
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| 09:37 | any hints?
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| 09:47 | <johnny> how much ram?
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| 10:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: 2 gig server, 256 client
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| 10:16 | sorry about the wait time on response
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| 10:17 | <feinbein> anybody has managed to set up access to local harddisks (not usb)?
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| 10:18 | LOCALDEV=True is set and udev-rulez are set according to new manual
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| 10:18 | what to do now to access a local f.ex. a local sata-drive?
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| 10:19 | btw. ltsp-update-image has also been run
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| 10:48 | <ninkendo> Are there any customized version of the ltsp client distro that has an integrated NX client?
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| 10:48 | I'm starting to think that using NX's compression would help a lot of problems with speed and resources that I'm facing with the default LTSP setup
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| 10:49 | <cliebow> ninkendo:Gadi did some work on that..long a go
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| 10:49 | <profes> hi all
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| 10:49 | <cliebow> ho
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| 10:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning
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| 10:50 | <profes> i have a problem with localdev, the icon appeared in the desktop but the localdev shows empty
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| 10:52 | <profes> when I enter to the localdev folder in the desktop, it is empty
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| 10:55 | <sbalneav> Well, maybe there's no files on the device you're looking at :)
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| 10:55 | <cliebow> Scottie!
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| 10:55 | <profes> haha I check it in another machine
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| 10:55 | checked, there is a lot of files in the device.
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| 10:56 | <sbalneav> Is the user a member of the fuse group?
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| 10:57 | <profes> yes, of couse
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| 10:57 | *course
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| 10:58 | <sbalneav> ok, please run the command "id" from a terminal window, and paste the results to the pastebot
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| 10:58 | !pastebot
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| 10:58 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 10:59 | <profes> a terminal in x or a local terminal (ctrl+alt+F?) ?
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| 11:00 | <ltsppbot> "profes" pasted "profes@clases:~$ id uid=524(pr" (3 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/42
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| 11:00 | <profes> I did it in a terminal in X
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| 11:02 | <sbalneav> Hmm, fuse is 102
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| 11:02 | it's usually 107
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| 11:03 | getent group fuse & paste
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| 11:03 | <ogra> sbalneav, no
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| 11:03 | <sbalneav> no?
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| 11:03 | <ogra> fuse runs addgroup during install
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| 11:03 | <ogra> so depending what distro you run it can have any number, based on when you install it
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| 11:03 | <sbalneav> ok, well, doesn't hurt to check anyway :)
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| 11:04 | <profes> i'll paste getent group fuse
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| 11:04 | <sbalneav> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i2jb6VPJX4XBa5yiEEIuPjrcZmFwD93R3JIG1
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| 11:04 | <ltsppbot> "profes" pasted "profes@clases:~$ getent group" (3 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/43
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| 11:05 | <ogra> sbalneav, lol
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| 11:05 | <sbalneav> ok, seems legit.
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| 11:05 | <ogra> sbalneav, so i could sure santa because he has an address ?
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| 11:05 | *sue
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| 11:05 | <sbalneav> No
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| 11:05 | To be served with papers, there has to be a REAL address with a REAL person there.
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| 11:06 | The legal system takes that sort of thing very seriously.
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| 11:06 | <ogra> well, if you write a letter to santa claus, nortpole it will likely get somewhere :)
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| 11:06 | *north
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| 11:07 | millions of children surely do that every year
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| 11:07 | <sbalneav> Right, but if you GO to the north pole, there isn't a gingerbread house there, with a jolly old fat man in red jumpers there. :)
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| 11:07 | <cliebow> He IS Real!
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| 11:07 | <ogra> there has to be
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| 11:07 | <sbalneav> No, he's in Canada
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| 11:07 | <ogra> heh
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| 11:07 | <sbalneav> We keep him in Northern Manitoba. Well kept secret.
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| 11:07 | Shhh
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| 11:07 | <profes> sbalneav, I think you've never been in northpole, so you can't know :p
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| 11:07 | <cliebow> Ohh you mean That North Pole
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| 11:08 | <sbalneav> profes: How do *YOU* know I've never been to the north pole?
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| 11:08 | <profes> since you think santa doesn't exist :P
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| 11:08 | <sbalneav> Oh, I think he exists.
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| 11:08 | He's just not at the north pole.
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| 11:08 | Therefore, delivery of papers would fail.
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| 11:09 | At any rate
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| 11:09 | <profes> may be in north pole papers are redirected
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| 11:09 | <sbalneav> lets do a grep "ltsp" /proc/mounts, and paste that
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| 11:09 | <profes> okok, but... what could I check about my problem
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| 11:11 | sbalneav, it returned nothing
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| 11:11 | I did it in an gui terminal
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| 11:12 | <sbalneav> Well, the ltspfs filesystem isn't mounting then
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| 11:12 | so, something's the matter
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| 11:12 | <profes> maybe the command was cat /proc/mounts | grep "ltsp" ?
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| 11:13 | <sbalneav> that's the same as what I said
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| 11:13 | <profes> damn
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| 11:13 | <sbalneav> What server are you running? Ubuntu?
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| 11:13 | <profes> rhel
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| 11:14 | <sbalneav> What version of LTSP are you running?
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| 11:14 | LTSP5? or 4.2?
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| 11:14 | <profes> 4.2 (my terminals are too crappy)
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| 11:15 | <ogra> sbalneav, ubunt would have had a uid > 1000 ;)
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| 11:15 | *ubuntu
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| 11:15 | <profes> i already checked troubleshooting and all steps worked fine, so how could I remount ltspfs?
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| 11:16 | <sbalneav> What did you check for troubleshooting?
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| 11:17 | <profes> every steps (even reboot system, step 12)
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| 11:17 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting
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| 11:18 | <Gadi> profes: is the filesystem ntfs?
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| 11:18 | <profes> no, isnt
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| 11:18 | <Gadi> the one on the local hard drive
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| 11:18 | <profes> is fat32
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| 11:18 | <ogra> is the device properly partitioned ?
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| 11:18 | <profes> its an usb drive
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| 11:18 | yes, i have another machine and it worked fine there
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> that does not mean it is partitioned
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| 11:19 | <profes> it has the same hardware and software
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| 11:19 | <ogra> is the device properly partitioned ?
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> it is a thin client running ltsp 4.2?
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| 11:19 | <profes> but i copy files into it, and then checked in 2 machines
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| 11:19 | <ogra> (i didnt ask if it works elsewhere ;) )
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| 11:20 | <profes> i think is prperly partitioned
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| 11:20 | Gadi, yes
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| 11:20 | <ogra> so it mounts sdX1 and not sdX on the other machines ?
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| 11:20 | <Gadi> profes: so on another thin client, it works, but on this thin client it does not
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| 11:21 | yeah, do that- plug it into the server and pastebot: dmesg|tail
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| 11:21 | <profes> ok
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| 11:23 | <ltsppbot> "profes" pasted "profes@clases:~$ dmesg |tail i" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/44
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| 11:25 | <Gadi> profes: this is a USB flash drive or a USB hard drive?
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| 11:25 | <profes> usb hard drive
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| 11:26 | <Gadi> do dmesg|tail one more time
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| 11:26 | with it plugged in
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| 11:26 | are there any more messages?
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| 11:27 | <profes> is the same message
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| 11:27 | <Gadi> grep sd /proc/mounts
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| 11:27 | <profes> just in case: the dmesg|tail that I did was with the device plugged in
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| 11:27 | <Gadi> right
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| 11:27 | plugged into the server
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| 11:28 | <profes> yed
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| 11:28 | *yes
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| 11:28 | <Gadi> so, mount it on the server
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| 11:28 | <ltsppbot> "profes" pasted "[root@clases ~]# grep sd /proc" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/45
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| 11:28 | <Gadi> sorry - browse the hard drive first
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| 11:28 | then just pastebot: cat /proc/mounts
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| 11:29 | <profes> what do you mean with 'browse the hard drive first' ?
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| 11:29 | where do you want to see?
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> I mean, make sure the hard drive is mounted
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| 11:30 | it won't appear in /proc/mounts if you just plug it in
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| 11:30 | (unless it automounts)
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| 11:32 | <profes> :S i think i have problems here... according to dmesg|tail the two partitions should be sg0 and sg1 but when im trying to mount i got the message 'mount /dev/sg0 is not an block device', the same to sg1
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| 11:33 | (why sg* and not sda*, sdb*, etc..) ?
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| 11:34 | i'll try with an usb flash drive
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| 11:35 | <Gadi> profes: can you browse files on the hard drive in nautilus?
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| 11:35 | read: graphical file browser
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| 11:35 | <profes> Gadi, as you see, i cant mount it
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| 11:36 | <Gadi> are you mounting it by hand?
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| 11:36 | from a terminal?
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| 11:36 | or using the volume manager?
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| 11:36 | <profes> but, when i plugged it their icon appeared in desktop but empty
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| 11:36 | <Gadi> (you told me before: (12:18:52 PM) profes: yes, i have another machine and it worked fine there)
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| 11:37 | <profes> yes
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| 11:37 | thats true
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| 11:37 | <Gadi> so, I am confused
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| 11:37 | doesn't "worked fine" == mounted?
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| 11:38 | <profes> I have two identical machines, in the other machine it worked fine, showing files and such, plugged in clients. But in this machine when i plug in clients the icon appear in desktop but when I browse with nautilus it shows empty
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| 11:40 | now, i have the drive plugged into the server
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| 11:42 | but i cannot mount, i dont know which device is, according to dmesg|tail the drive's partitions should be sg0 and sg1 (i was expecting sdb* or some), but when i trying to mount sg0 or sg1 i got 'mount: /dev/sg0 isnot a block device', the same to sg1
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| 11:42 | <sbalneav> So, maybe you've just got a USB problem on that one machine
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| 11:42 | If it works fine on ANOTHER thin client, then you're setup is ok
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| 11:43 | Maybe you've just got a bad USB port
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| 11:43 | <profes> now, ill try a standard usb flashdisk
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| 11:43 | in a client
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| 11:43 | let's see if i can browse the files
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| 11:43 | <Gadi> you may also want to set up a shell session, too, on the client
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| 11:43 | <Gadi> so you can see the dmesg output there
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| 11:43 | could be too high a current draw
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| 11:43 | <profes> i have a shell session in clients
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| 11:43 | <Gadi> USB is very sensitive to that
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| 11:44 | if you draw too much current, the driver can shutdown and only be fixed with a reboot
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| 11:44 | <profes> wow, i cannot see files in usb flash disk neither, but icon appeared as i said
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| 11:44 | now, ill plug usb flashdisk in the server
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| 11:46 | OMG it worked plugged into the server
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| 11:46 | the usb flashdisk is /dev/sdb and its partition is sdb1
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| 11:48 | why the usb harrdisk is /dev/sg ?
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| 11:48 | what is sg
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| 11:48 | ?
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| 11:49 | <sbalneav> A general device.
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| 11:49 | the local workstation can't detect what it is.
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| 11:49 | <loather> scsi generic
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| 11:49 | <sbalneav> I think you've just got a problem on that one workstation.
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| 11:49 | <profes> hum i see, ok, it seems that the problem is ltspfs
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| 11:49 | <sbalneav> Maybe the hardware's bad
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| 11:50 | no, you said it worked at another workstatin
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| 11:50 | <profes> no, another machine (an identical server, with identical clients)
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| 11:51 | <sbalneav> <quote>I have two identical machines, in the other machine it worked fine</quote>
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| 11:51 | <Gadi> sbalneav: I think machine == server
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| 11:51 | <profes> ok, when i said machines i mean server
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| 11:51 | yes
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| 11:52 | <Gadi> profes: the thin client power supply may not have enough power to support an external USB hard drive
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| 11:52 | are these thin clients with an external power supply?
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| 11:53 | and does the hard drive have its own power supply?
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| 11:53 | real hard drives draw a lot of current
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| 11:53 | <profes> Gadi, yes, the power is enough, i think is ltspfs as sbalneav said
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| 11:54 | <Gadi> well, can you get the hard drive to mount on the server now?
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| 11:54 | because that would be the first step
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| 11:54 | to make sure the drive is good
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| 11:54 | <profes> sbalneav Well, the ltspfs filesystem isn't mounting then
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| 11:54 | sbalneav so, something's the matter
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| 11:56 | how can i fix that? where can i check?
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| 12:02 | Gadi, i cannot get hd mounted on the server, but i can mount the usb flash disk perfectly, so since now ill only try with the flashdisk
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| 12:02 | <Gadi> ok
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| 12:04 | <profes> Gadi, where can i check if ltspfs isnt working fine?
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| 12:06 | <Gadi> profes: did you install the ltspfs package on that second server?
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| 12:06 | <profes> yes, everything worked fine just a couple days ago
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| 12:07 | <Gadi> hmm - what changed?
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| 12:07 | did you update the server?
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| 12:07 | <profes> nop, nothing, maybe a configuration was changed by mistake or erased
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| 12:08 | anyway, how can i check if ltspfs is installed ?
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| 12:08 | <Gadi> on rhel? rpm -qa|grep ltspfs
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| 12:09 | <profes> :o noting... :S
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| 12:09 | <Gadi> actually
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| 12:09 | rpm -qa|grep ltsp
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| 12:09 | looks like the rpm is ltsp-server-pkg-fedora
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| 12:10 | <profes> ltsp-utils and ltsp-server-pkg-fedora
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| 12:10 | <Gadi> (if that's the one you installed)
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| 12:10 | <profes> and i have available the command ltspfs
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| 12:11 | <Gadi> lsmod|grep fuse
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| 12:11 | <profes> fuse 49556 0
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| 12:12 | <Gadi> firewall?
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| 12:12 | can you mount any devices?
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| 12:12 | on the thin client?
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| 12:12 | <profes> i havent firewall, how can i check if i can mount devices in client?
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| 12:13 | <Gadi> I mean, do any devices come up correctly?
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| 12:13 | or have you only tried the usb flash and usb hard disk?
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| 12:13 | <profes> i did cat /etc/fstab in client shell (ctrl+alt+f1 in my case) and i got the device info
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> hmm... try putting the shell on screen 2 and the startx on screen 1
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| 12:14 | <profes> hum.. ive not tried another devices, just a camera, with the same results (empty folder)
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| 12:14 | sorry, shell is in screen2
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| 12:14 | x on scr1
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> ps -efw|grep lbus
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| 12:15 | <profes> in shell?
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> in terminal window
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| 12:16 | on server
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| 12:16 | <profes> /usr/bin/perl -w ...
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> ok, and on the shell?
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| 12:17 | <profes> /sbin/lbuscd
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> profes: in the terminal window, do: echo $DISPLAY, and in the shell do: hostname
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| 12:20 | <Blinny> Just tuning in - is the HD partitioned?
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| 12:21 | <Gadi> make sure that they match exactly (except for :0.0)
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| 12:21 | <profes> yes, it matches
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> no domain names, right?
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| 12:22 | <profes> nop
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> /usr/sbin/lbus_event_handler.sh add block /tmp 1024 Temp
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| 12:23 | you tried that?
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| 12:23 | <profes> nop, now ill try
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| 12:23 | in X right?
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> right
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| 12:25 | <profes> [root@clases ~]# /usr/sbin/lbus_event_handler.sh add block /tmp 1024 Temp
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| 12:25 | ERROR connecting
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| 12:26 | <Gadi> now we're getting somewhere
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| 12:26 | are you using ldap for auth?
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| 12:26 | or local users?
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| 12:27 | <profes> local users i think
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| 12:27 | its a server+switch+clients, no more
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| 12:29 | <Gadi> that's an ltspfs error
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| 12:30 | <profes> the tmp folder is created in ~/Drives folder but the desktop icon doesnt appear
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| 12:30 | <Gadi> on the shell, do: ps -efw|grep ltspfsd
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| 12:31 | it sounds like ltspfsd is not running
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| 12:31 | <profes> nothing
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| 12:31 | <Gadi> on the shell, do: getltscfg LOCAL_STORAGE
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| 12:32 | <profes> i got Y
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| 12:32 | <Gadi> try rebooting the thin client
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| 12:32 | and logging into X
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| 12:33 | and running that lbus_event_handler command
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| 12:33 | brb
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| 12:34 | <profes> ok, ill try to reboot another client, its the same?
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| 12:34 | <Gadi> if it is the same, check for ltspfsd on the client
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| 12:34 | <Gadi> and try to run it manually from a shell
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| 12:35 | <profes> ok
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| 12:36 | <profes> OMG! sh*t nsognsfklfslkfsfmgportrTJSO it worked fine in other clients :@!!!!
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| 12:37 | ill reboot this freakin client... ill come in 4 mins to tell you what happened, Thanks Gadi , bye
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| 12:40 | <profes> OMG it worked...
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| 12:40 | :S
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| 12:40 | :D
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| 12:40 | hahahah
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| 12:40 | freakin client, how... it could happen _S?
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| 12:40 | omg, thanks a LOT!
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| 12:41 | * Blinny blinks | |
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| 12:48 | <laprag> jammcq: ping
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| 12:52 | <laprag> ltspbot: help
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| 12:52 | <ltspbot> laprag: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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| 12:52 | <laprag> ltspbot: help seen
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| 12:52 | <ltspbot> laprag: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.
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| 12:52 | <laprag> ltspbot: seen jammcq
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| 12:52 | <ltspbot> laprag: jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 3 hours, 58 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <jammcq> doing the happy dance?
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| 12:53 | <laprag> ltspbot: seen sbalneav
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| 12:53 | <ltspbot> laprag: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 hour, 2 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <sbalneav> <quote>I have two identical machines, in the other machine it worked fine</quote>
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| 13:05 | <julius> hi, I have a question relating to ltsp and nfs
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| 13:05 | on the client I am getting an error: nfsmount: error mounting 172.31.100.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /sysroot as nfs: Bad file descriptor
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| 13:05 | on the server I'm getting: mountd[27536]: authenticated mount request from 172.31.100.100:601 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp)
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| 13:05 | is this the right place to ask?
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> julius: try restarting the nfs server
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| 13:06 | <julius> thanks I tried that
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> grep ltsp /etc/exports
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| 13:06 | is the exports file correct?
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| 13:06 | <julius> /opt/ltsp 172.31.100.0/24(ro,async,no_root_squash)
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| 13:06 | I believe so
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| 13:07 | it had a * instead of the ip before but I get the same poblem either way
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| 13:07 | <Gadi> which version of ltsp?
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| 13:07 | <julius> should be 5.... is there a way to tell from the cli?
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> what distribution?
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| 13:08 | <julius> it says 5.1.26
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| 13:08 | fedora
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| 13:08 | rpms are:
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| 13:08 | ltspfs-0.5.2-1.fc9.i386
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| 13:08 | ltsp-server-5.1.26-1.fc9.i386
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> warren is our resident fedora ltsp guy
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| 13:08 | !seen warren
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| 13:08 | <ltspbot> Gadi: warren was last seen in #ltsp 2 days, 19 hours, 5 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <warren> I think it is already set by something else
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| 13:08 | <julius> :) cool
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 13:08 | <julius> heheheh
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> thats not gonna help atm
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| 13:09 | <julius> there's no huge hurry. I'll get ready for work and try again in an hour or so.
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> can you try mounting /opt/ltsp/i386 from another computer via nfs?
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| 13:09 | <julius> I'm just a bit stuck :)
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| 13:09 | um
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> or from localhost
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| 13:09 | <julius> I'll trylcalhost
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> try, as root:
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| 13:09 | mkdir /tmp/mnt
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| 13:10 | mount -t nfs 172.31.100.100:/opt/ltsp/i386 /tmp/mnt
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| 13:10 | and see if that works
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> if you still get Bad file descriptor, then it sounds like nfs is not exporting properly
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| 13:11 | and you may (if you can) want to go ahead and reboot the server
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| 13:11 | <julius> mount -t nfs localhost:/opt/ltsp /mnt/cdrom
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| 13:11 | mount.nfs: Unknown error 521
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| 13:11 | <Gadi> or check that the chroot (/opt/ltsp/i386) got created properly
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| 13:11 | <julius> (great :))
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| 13:11 | <Gadi> sounds like the nfs server
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| 13:12 | can you reboot the entire system?
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| 13:12 | <julius> yeah... weird, I've never really had trouble with nfs before
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| 13:12 | oh yeah no worries
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| 13:12 | <Gadi> try that
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| 13:12 | if the problem persists, try rebuilding the chroot
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| 13:14 | <julius> cool thanks for the help
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| 13:21 | <sbalneav> laprag: Ragnar!!!!!!
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| 13:21 | <jammcq> where?
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| 13:22 | <sbalneav> Isn't laprag ragnar?
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| 13:22 | <jammcq> ah
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| 13:22 | yeah
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| 13:22 | laprag: pong
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| 13:22 | missed the ping
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| 13:22 | i'm hoping he's pinging me to tell me he bought his plane ticket to BTS
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| 13:22 | * sbalneav hopes Ragnar is coming | |
| 13:23 | * sbalneav hopes Ragnar brings Line Aquavit | |
| 13:23 | <jammcq> heh
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| 13:23 | * sbalneav should stop talking in the third person | |
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| 13:24 | <laprag> hey
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| 13:24 | <laprag> yep
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| 13:24 | <jammcq> hey laprag
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| 13:24 | <laprag> got it booked
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| 13:24 | <jammcq> yep, as in yer coming?
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| 13:24 | <laprag> :)
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| 13:24 | <jammcq> AWESOME !!!
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| 13:24 | where are you flying in to?
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| 13:25 | <laprag> atm Boston, but could be NYC
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| 13:25 | I'll get there Friday pm at the latest
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| 13:25 | <jammcq> we gotta get you up to Maine then
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| 13:25 | hmm, friday?
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| 13:25 | <laprag> don't worry, i'll figure that out
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| 13:25 | <sbalneav> \o/ for Ragnar!
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| 13:26 | <laprag> can't have you drive always :)
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| 13:26 | hey Scotty!
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| 13:26 | <jammcq> laprag: I'll have the ltsp bus with me
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| 13:26 | <laprag> heh
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| 13:26 | ltspmobile
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| 13:27 | sbalneav: hey, i'll make sure i bring that ;-) but leave me out of the emptying of it ...
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| 13:28 | <sbalneav> I'm not usually one for spirits, and stick to beer and wine, but I REALLY liked that Line Aq. that you brought to Montreal
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| 13:28 | <sbalneav> And the shame is, I can't get it here in Canuckistan.
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| 13:28 | <laprag> sbalneav: gotcha
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| 13:28 | how bout some mik chocolate?
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| 13:28 | milk
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| 13:28 | <sbalneav> Well, chocolate's good too.
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| 13:28 | <jammcq> count me in
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| 13:28 | <laprag> smoked salmon maybe?
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| 13:29 | <sbalneav> Caviar?
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| 13:29 | <laprag> champagne?
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| 13:29 | bah, we'll have fun
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| 13:29 | <sbalneav> That we will.
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| 13:30 | <laprag> should i bring a laptop?
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| 13:30 | <sbalneav> jammcq: Hey, does your car's audio take a iPud?
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| 13:30 | <laprag> prolly no need to bother
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| 13:30 | <sbalneav> laprag: If you want, but bringing YOU is the most important.
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| 13:30 | * laprag blushes | |
| 13:31 | <jammcq> sbalneav: it's got a little headphone type jack on the front that we can plug anything in to
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| 13:31 | <laga_> that was sweet.
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| 13:31 | <sbalneav> Bonus
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| 13:31 | <laprag> sbalneav: 's long as you play that miles davis album
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| 13:31 | kind of blue
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| 13:32 | <sbalneav> I've got that.
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| 13:32 | It will be played.
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| 13:32 | <laprag> jammcq: what time are you passing by Boston?
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| 13:32 | sbalneav: great!
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| 13:33 | <sbalneav> I also have 3 albums of some of your neighbours
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| 13:33 | Vrttin
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| 13:33 | <laprag> sbalneav: ummm, what might that be?
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| 13:37 | <jammcq> laprag: not sure. we're leaving Detroit area around 5:30pm on wednesday evening
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| 13:38 | <laprag> jammcq: right, but you're stopping somewhere on the way then?
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| 13:38 | <jammcq> laprag: prolly somewhere in upstate NY
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| 13:39 | then thursday we'll finish the journey. not exactly going through boston, but definately through Mass. If you happened to be at BOS and needed a ride tho, i'm sure my car would know how to get us there
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> laprag: what are we drinking? I had some good 107 proof stuff yesterday
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| 13:39 | <laprag> ok, currently i have a ticket that says BOS ETA around 1pm.
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| 13:40 | <jammcq> for thursday?
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| 13:42 | <laprag> yes
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| 13:43 | <sbalneav> laprag: http://www.varttina.com/
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| 13:43 | <laprag> but, as i said, it's not a final routing, i might have to go to nyc for a meeting thursday. will keep you posted
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| 13:43 | <sbalneav> Sorry, spelt it wrong
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> laprag: I will most likely drive up from NY on Thursday
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| 13:44 | let me know if you need a lift
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| 13:44 | <jammcq> ooh, there's an option too
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| 13:44 | <laprag> sbalneav: don't tell me you bought that record for the music ...
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| 13:45 | Gadi: oh, thanks! might be a possibility. i won't bore you with all the permutations though.
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> no worries
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| 13:45 | <sbalneav> laprag: Sure, it's neat
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| 13:45 | * Gadi looked into renting a hybrid - but only Hertz in NYC has them | |
| 13:46 | <sbalneav> "Eclectic"
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| 13:46 | <laprag> sbalneav: :-) thought it might be for the pictures
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| 13:46 | <Gadi> if I do it, maybe I'll meet you in NYC
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| 13:46 | <jammcq> laprag: well, you could call me, even on thursday afternoon, and we could swing by and get you, if need be
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| 13:46 | <laprag> Gadi: that would be great. are you in nyc itself?
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| 13:47 | <Gadi> 30 min north
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| 13:47 | I can take the train in
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| 13:47 | <laprag> jammcq, gadi: great, thanks for the offers. I'm sure I'll make it to Southwest Harbour this year too :)
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| 13:48 | <jammcq> well then, we officially have our selves a BTS then, eh?
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| 13:48 | * Gadi will try to have only 1 shot of the 107 proof stuff, so I can remember the name and pick up a bottle | |
| 13:48 | <laprag> Gadi: heh, gas prices getting to you? drill baby drill, that'll fix it ;)
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| 13:49 | jammcq: well, thanks for organising it! we only show up!
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| 13:49 | <Gadi> heh - well, if the election aint a reason to drink, I don't know what is
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| 13:49 | <jammcq> perhaps we'll have something to celebrate
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| 13:52 | <laprag> here on the dark fringes of civilisation we have our favourite
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| 13:52 | <laprag> but we don't get to vote
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| 13:52 | in your race
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| 13:55 | <vagrantc> with any luck, most people here won't get to vote either
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| 13:55 | <laprag> oh? why is that a good thing?
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| 13:56 | * vagrantc forgot <sarcasm> tags | |
| 13:56 | <laprag> ah
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| 13:59 | <Lns> So I just installed Flash 10, and uninstalled libflashsupport, and sound still works... does that mean adobe got it right this time?
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| 14:00 | * vagrantc wonders if the president of diebold promised any elections this year | |
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| 14:02 | <loather-work> vagrantc: of course they did
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| 14:03 | <vagrantc> loather-work: i forgot to say "in public speeches"
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| 14:03 | * vagrantc is forgetful today | |
| 14:03 | <loather-work> oh, haha
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| 14:03 | <Lns> vagrantc: of course, they even get to choose who becomes president!
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| 14:04 | <loather-work> yeah, i'm not looking forward to this year's election
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| 14:05 | <johnny> 21 days...
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| 14:05 | why can't it be tomorrow .. so we can get it over with..
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| 14:08 | * Lns wishes the US still believed in power going to the state | |
| 14:10 | <johnny> well. depends on the level.
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| 14:10 | civil rights?
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| 14:11 | <Lns> I think we'd all be better off if all the states became their own countries :p
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| 14:11 | <johnny> not if all
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| 14:11 | <Lns> That way California could rule all!
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| 14:11 | <johnny> i'd say groups of states
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| 14:11 | <vagrantc> new mexico is poor and has a *lot* of nukes.
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| 14:11 | <vagrantc> very dangerous combination.
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> don't forget salsa
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| 14:12 | <Lns> lol Gadi
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| 14:12 | * Gadi wonders why the whole state hasn't exploded | |
| 14:12 | <Lns> Sharks in the salsa. Our shark.
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 14:13 | <Lns> Anyone using Flash 10 that was released yesterday with their ltsp setups?
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| 14:15 | <nubae> > Are you a programmer? A lot of people seem to think I am, but that's just good acting on my part. :)
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| 14:15 | lol sbalneav
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| 14:16 | Lns: might as well put a stick of dynamite in the server
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| 14:17 | <pscheie> johnny, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Nations_of_North_America
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| 14:19 | <Q-FUNK> nubae: they make the same asumptions about anyone who uses a non-windows OS
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| 14:19 | <nubae> :-)
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| 14:21 | Q-FUNK: hows the job search coming?
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| 14:22 | <Q-FUNK> nubae: so-so
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| 14:25 | <nubae> things are doing good here... the ministry has agreed on a years contract with the xos and I'll get to present the thin can sometime next week... I'm desperately trying to get sugar to do collaboration properly over LTSP... lots of bugs to work through, but its looking good
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| 14:26 | the idea is everyone runs sugar, ltsp, or xo based... and the 2 coexist happily
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| 14:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> nubae: with most of sugar being collaboration software, what problems in particular are you running into?
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| 14:29 | <Lns> nubae: hehe, why do you say that? did you have a bad experience?
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| 14:29 | <nubae> there are issues with Network Damager
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| 14:29 | under ubuntu the latest 0.7 isnt compatible with the latest sugar... typical... the damager strikes again
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| 14:32 | _UsUrPeR_: right now, the terminals see each other just fine, they see when another activity is being shared, but when one starts up the desired app, the other terminal's activity locks up
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| 14:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh
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| 14:32 | huh
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| 14:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> which ubuntu release are you running?
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| 14:34 | <nubae> but it will be such a bonus for this to work...
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| 14:34 | intrepid
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| 14:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh. Did you have any lick with hardy and sugar?
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| 14:35 | or is this your first attempt?
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| 14:35 | <nubae> didnt really try... the latest stuff is all being done on intrepid right now and the same issues that plague intrepid will plague hardy too
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| 14:36 | went through several bug fixes today with sugar guys... and the same will probably be true in the coming days/weeks... but hopefully by the time intrepid launches, it will all work
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| 14:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> Which client are you using for the deployment?
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| 14:41 | <nubae> which thin client?
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| 14:42 | <sbalneav> With the thincan, have the video issues been all fixded? I've got a DB61
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| 14:44 | <cliebow> laprag:i bet you could stand out front of the airport and catch the Concord bus t Portland..Jsaammcq HAS to drive thru there...
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| 14:45 | <nubae> sbalneav: mine works just fine
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| 14:46 | u mean drivers?
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| 14:46 | in intrepid works out of the box
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| 14:47 | <sbalneav> Coolio
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| 14:48 | <nubae> eeepc doesnt though
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| 14:48 | still needs atl2 module installed by hand
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| 14:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: I have a DBE61
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| 14:49 | works great
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| 14:49 | <sbalneav> Hmmm. So, I'm playing around with KVM
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| 14:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> nubae: yeah, which thin client?
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| 14:49 | <sbalneav> Trying to install intrepid under a hardy host
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| 14:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: though I wa using it on an acer 22" flatscreen, and it made the output look like crap.
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| 14:50 | wa = was
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| 14:50 | but with another 1920x1200 screen, it looked great
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| 14:50 | <sbalneav> ubuntu-vm-builder kvm intrepid
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| 14:50 | ...
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| 14:50 | Error: "intrepid" is not a supported suite
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| 14:51 | It only supports up to hardy.
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| 14:51 | Sooooo, how would I do that, I wonders
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| 14:51 | Or, do I have to install the VM from an ISO?
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| 14:52 | Suppose I could install a hardy VM and upgrade...
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| 14:52 | <nubae> _UsUrPeR_: well probably whatever is installed in the schools at the moment, that and Artec thincans
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| 14:52 | maybe even XOs as thin terminals...
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| 14:53 | <ogra> nubae, atl2 ?
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| 14:53 | nubae, hey, ltsp isnt a wireless shop
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| 14:53 | i'm pretty sure eee wired works
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| 14:53 | <nubae> :-/
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| 14:53 | kernel panic if atl2 isnt mentioned in modules
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| 14:54 | <Lns> ogra: i've got an eee and tried it with stock hardy chroot, no go..lemme test it in mine real quick here
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| 14:54 | <nubae> verified by many people...
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| 14:54 | <Lns> you're prolly talking about intrepid thou
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| 14:54 | <ogra> Lns, yeah
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| 14:54 | <nubae> same thing in intrepid...
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| 14:54 | have to recreate initramfs with atl2 module
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| 14:55 | <Lns> damn atheros chipsets
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| 14:56 | <nubae> yah, wonder if turning it off in bios will bypass the error
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| 14:56 | doubt it though
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| 14:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> nubae: yeah, the thincans are pretty cool :)
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| 14:56 | <nubae> I'm actually most impressed with the asus eeepcs as thin terminals... fast as hell
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| 14:57 | <Lns> nubae: i <3 my eee 701 (1st model).. i even had compiz working in the default install after some simple hacking, it flew
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| 14:57 | yea...no surprise, doesn't boot in updated hardy
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| 14:58 | <Lns> Flash 10 seems to work fine on my client so far...streaming a radio station for a couple hours, going to homestarrunner.com...
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| 14:59 | <nubae> you logging mem and cpu activity?
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| 15:00 | <Lns> no, why does it have a leak ?
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| 15:00 | <nubae> not sure... just wondering
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| 15:00 | <Lns> cpu sitting at 10% (i'm the only client)
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| 15:00 | I've got one school site on it testing it out, they had a bunch of kids in using flash sites, she said it seemed to be working fine
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| 15:00 | of course it was ~20min only testing it out, time will tell
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| 15:00 | <nubae> hmmm nice
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| 15:01 | <nubae> well if it works for an entire class without the server turning into a snail...
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| 15:01 | <Lns> Plus, it seems that the "flash over all other stuff" was fixed, as well as not needing libflashsupport anymore
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| 15:01 | <nubae> cool
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| 15:01 | <Lns> nubae: maybe no more a snail than w/9
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| 15:05 | <nubae> Lns: really getting into the 2 ssh instance story eh? :p
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| 15:05 | <Lns> ugh
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| 15:06 | don't get me started
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| 15:07 | * ogra shudders every time he hears the word hardening :) | |
| 15:07 | <Lns> lol
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| 15:07 | <ogra> if you have to "harden" something its wrongly designed
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| 15:08 | <nubae> ogra prefers limp servers :p
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| 15:08 | <ogra> its either standing on its own or you need viagra
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| 15:08 | <Lns> That whole thread reminds me of the development cycle of Microsoft products
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| 15:08 | * ogra prefers no blue pills on his servers | |
| 15:09 | <Lns> Put a band-aid on software that already works fine because the admin is incompetent at learning how to configure things
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| 15:09 | and apparently incompetent at having his users put in strong passwords
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| 15:10 | <nubae> well if they really wanna do something they should probably use SOTP or something
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| 15:10 | <Lns> I dunno...i don't even know why i'm getting so infuriated over the suggestion
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| 15:11 | <Lns> nubae: Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants ? =p
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| 15:11 | <nubae> would SOTP work with the internal?
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| 15:11 | hehehe
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| 15:11 | One time passwords
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| 15:11 | <Lns> ah
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| 15:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> you guys need to sotp that
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| 15:11 | <ogra> lol
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| 15:11 | * Lns loves the humor in #ltsp | |
| 15:12 | <nubae> simple one time passwords it stands for
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| 15:12 | http://www.nardol.org/2008/9/12/as-old-as-good-one-time-passwords
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| 15:13 | its actually very neat stuff... end of brute force
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| 15:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> this is the beginning of brute force: http://www.elcomsoft.com/edpr.html
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| 15:18 | It just makes me want to acquire passwords... for something
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| 15:20 | <nubae> I'd like to see it crack a pgp key
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| 15:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> I have two geforce cards... the problem would be getting the software
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| 16:02 | <nubae> heh, that must be the longest thread in months....
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| 16:09 | <julius> hi, just wondering, is there any documentation about setting up a guest account that would be wiped each time the account logs off?
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| 16:10 | <sbalneav> I've so far resisted wading in with opinions. I've just posted something, though. I wanted to point out that ltsp doesn't modify the sshd config at all.
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| 16:10 | julius: I actually modified the pam_mkhomedir module some time ago to do just that.
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| 16:10 | hmmm, where was that:
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| 16:11 | <julius> :) 'd like to be able to customise the desktop, then have it tidied up on logout.
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| 16:12 | is there a way to have it auto login as the guest account after booting?
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| 16:13 | <sbalneav> ah, here we go
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| 16:13 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LtspPersistentHome
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| 16:13 | Well, you'd have to modify gconf defaults.
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| 16:14 | the patches to pam_mkhomedir then create the home directory on log in, and blow away the home directory on log out.
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| 16:16 | Heading home for the day. Be on later tonight.
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| 16:16 | <Lns> damn i was about to say thx for your response sbalneav
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| 16:16 | <zoredache> I have always wondered why someone doesn't use unionfs to do something like that. Each time a user logs in, you create a clean temp filesystem, mount the source home dir as ro, and the tmp fs as rw
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| 16:16 | <Lns> seems sane enough
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| 16:18 | I only fear Mr. burness wants this "solution" simply because he is lazy and doesn't want to learn how something works that he wants to modify directly.
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| 16:18 | burgess*
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| 16:19 | <julius> Thanks sbalneav. I'll see if I can understand it.
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| 16:23 | <johnny> i personally just delete it at the end of the night
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| 16:23 | copy in new .ssh and whatnot
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| 16:23 | kill all the processes
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| 17:14 | <stgraber> yeah, just got our new demo server for ltsp-cluster. CoreQuad 2.5Ghz + 4GB RAM + 2xGigabit (100% intel hardware), I'm just waiting on 2x500GB HDD now
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| 17:15 | <vagrantc> stgraber: don't you need more than 1 server to test ltsp-cluster?
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| 17:16 | <stgraber> not really, we have an openvz setup on it
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| 17:16 | <stgraber> so we can actually show how it works as everything is separated as it'd be in a real deployment
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| 17:16 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 17:16 | <stgraber> (of course you don't get high availability then :))
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> "watch- we pull the electricity and your servers ... oh."
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| 17:17 | <stgraber> yeah :)
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> do you have a way of similating a crash in openvz?
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| 17:23 | <stgraber> vzctl stop <server>
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| 17:24 | or just ifdown eth0 in it :)
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| 17:24 | but the demo server is more of a way to show the various components than to actually demonstrate the high availability and load balancing part
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> that's the part i'm most interested in :)
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| 17:33 | <warren> what happens if a server is knocked off the ntework only temporarily?
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| 17:36 | <stgraber> warren: it'll get removed from the loadbalancer (if it's an application server) or another server will do its job (if any other service). Then when it's back it'll get added to the loadbalancer again (if it's an application server) or continue doing what it used to do (any other service).
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| 17:36 | <johnny> nubae, you about?
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| 17:53 | <nubae> yeah
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| 17:54 | <johnny> http://chat.localmomentum.net/room/chat/
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| 17:54 | that's speeqe.. :)
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| 17:54 | kinda laggy on the initial connection tho
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| 17:54 | it took me awhile to get all the pieces together
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| 17:54 | and alot of bugs fixed
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| 17:55 | but now it works
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| 17:57 | <nubae> what's your end aim with it? online jabberers?
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| 17:59 | <johnny> yeah..
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| 17:59 | for my group of people who work @ red emma's
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| 17:59 | <nubae> cool
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| 17:59 | <johnny> there are some folks who can't install stuff on their work computers..
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| 18:00 | and we wanted to do some chatting together
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| 18:00 | <nubae> right, or are blocked by firewalls
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| 18:00 | <johnny> yeah
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| 18:00 | <nubae> so can it do groups?
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| 18:01 | <johnny> groups of what?
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| 18:01 | <nubae> well, for example, the xos work with groups that are named something
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| 18:02 | instead of having everyone in one room...
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| 18:02 | <johnny> for example?
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| 18:02 | <nubae> spanish, english, literature, french
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| 18:02 | <johnny> you mean rooms?
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| 18:03 | <nubae> I guess they're rooms yeah
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| 18:03 | <johnny> then yes it can
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| 18:03 | it can even do external rooms
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| 18:03 | <nubae> cool
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| 18:03 | <johnny> ones not hosted at my server
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| 18:03 | <nubae> and linking to irc?
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| 18:03 | <johnny> yes
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| 18:03 | <nubae> nice
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| 18:03 | <johnny> but.. you'll be limited by the amount of connections the server allows from the number of ips you have
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| 18:04 | <nubae> ok, how many connections per ip?
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| 18:04 | <johnny> that's up to the server admin of the server you are connecting to
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| 18:04 | <nubae> ok, the XS is currently experimenting with 6000 concurrent connections :-)
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| 18:05 | so what runs behind it, ejabberd?
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| 18:05 | <johnny> yes
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| 18:05 | thing is.. many irc servers limit the number of connections to stop flooding of all types
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| 18:05 | <nubae> well, thats actually pretty neat... there would be less latency if it was internal to the school for example
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| 18:06 | <johnny> you see alot of latency?
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| 18:06 | <johnny> afaics.. the only latency is on initial connect
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| 18:06 | after that.. it seems fast enough
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| 18:06 | <nubae> welll requires testing I guess, but its gonna be slower than on an internal network with thousands of users
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| 18:07 | <johnny> well sure
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| 18:07 | but you could also keep the parts of it local
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| 18:07 | and the rest remote
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| 18:07 | if you were trying to network em all together
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| 18:07 | <nubae> yeah thats where it becomes interesting, connecting servers together
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| 18:07 | <johnny> run the bosh component local
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| 18:07 | and have it talk to a server somewhere else
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| 18:08 | constant stream, not a bunch of stateless http connections
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| 18:10 | <nubae> whats the memory footprint for each connection?
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| 18:11 | <johnny> not sure how to figure that how
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| 18:12 | <Lns> nubae: you mentioned SOTP..I read that article, i've got a question
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| 18:12 | Doesn't SOTP pretty much require you to keep the list of passwords somewhere on your person?
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| 18:12 | <nubae> no, thats opie
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| 18:13 | <Lns> oh
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| 18:13 | <nubae> pam sotp just means u use your regular pass
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| 18:13 | <Lns> so what's the difference?
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| 18:13 | <nubae> but it scrambles it with a irreversible factoring
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| 18:14 | <Lns> scrambles your regular pass?
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| 18:14 | <nubae> let me see if I can find something that explains this better than I :-)
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| 18:14 | <Lns> k
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| 18:14 | =p seems real interesting
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| 18:17 | <nubae> the client generates the key from the password u enter
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| 18:17 | then feeds that to the server
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| 18:17 | who also generates it from its key... this generation is always different
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| 18:18 | if u were to print on paper, I guess u would need a set of keys... since u cant generate it unless your ssh has that built in
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| 18:19 | <Lns> hmm
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| 18:19 | <nubae> http://www.cavecanen.org/cs/projects/pam_sotp/doc/0.3.3/manual.html
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| 18:19 | <Lns> but the password you enter is static
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| 18:19 | <nubae> right but its actually not stored anywhere
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| 18:20 | <Lns> "This list of one time passwords (OTP list) is typically stored in print form and stored in the user's wallet or in electronic form in the user's PDA or cell phone."
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| 18:20 | <nubae> yeah
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| 18:20 | <Lns> k...well i guess you can't have complete security anyway =p
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| 18:20 | <vagrantc> how does the server generate the one-time password without knowing the password itself?
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| 18:20 | <Lns> that would be a good use case for mainly online-based attacks
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| 18:21 | I'll probably always vow to the holy grail of authentication - multifactor (something you are, something you have, something you know)
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| 18:22 | <nubae> That is not so secure, since you can loose the paper and be doomed… Luckily there are lots of small softwares that does this generation for you. Some you can use from your Palm or from some J2ME-enabled phone (such as N95). Some your can use from another (trusted) computer. Some are even online, written in javascript!
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| 18:23 | <Lns> I still don't get how this makes it more secure..you still need something to "hash" right?
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| 18:24 | * Lns doesn't think he fully understands how sotp works | |
| 18:24 | <nubae> hell, I read about it a little while ago in linux magazine, and understood it then, but thinking about it now, I'm confused too
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| 18:25 | lets see if I can find the article online
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| 18:25 | <Lns> hehe
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| 18:25 | someone's been shmokin doobies ;)
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| 18:26 | <ogra> vagrantc, it asks GOD !
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| 18:26 | <nubae> ok got the magazine in front of me
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| 18:26 | <ogra> one of them at least :)
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| 18:27 | <vagrantc> well, that's probably useful as a random number generator...
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| 18:27 | <Lns> lol
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| 18:27 | I can see how it could prevent bruteforce, but wouldn't it also do a pretty easy DOS given that you can just hammer auth until your list runs out?
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| 18:27 | oh, it doesn't invalidate passwords that are incorrect... nm
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| 18:28 | <nubae> One time password system consists of a server and generator. users are required to authenticate aganst the server and the generator calculates the one time password for this purpue
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| 18:28 | purpose
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| 18:29 | hash functions of irreversible algorithms do the work
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| 18:29 | the server adds a seed to the user defined password
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| 18:29 | and hashes the resulting string n times
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| 18:30 | the server then stores the username, the seed and the figure n+
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| 18:30 | #user is then sent a challenge from teh place hes logging in from
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| 18:30 | inlcuding seed
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| 18:30 | <vagrantc> so the server doesn't store the password... it just uses that to generate one-time passwords
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| 18:30 | <nubae> the local generator helps the user calculate the one time password
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| 18:31 | <Lns> so...if someone got your static password, they've effectively gotten your list of OTPs since you can generate them yourself using any number of devices/methods
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| 18:31 | <nubae> it changes constantly, but yes, the idea here is that burte force no longer works
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| 18:31 | <Lns> that makes sense
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| 18:32 | <nubae> like a scrambler in the middle I guess
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| 18:33 | anyway theres a whole other part about how the server decodes the key, but I wont bore u with the details :p
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| 18:33 | <Lns> Kinda makes me wonder though, if you have to keep a list of huge, complex passphrases..why not just make your real password a huge, complex passphrase... i'm sure brute-forcing a 20-character password would take a long time. ;)
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| 18:34 | <nubae> the generator creates the password, u just have to remember one string
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| 18:34 | and u need a generator with u of course
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| 18:34 | <Lns> right
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| 18:34 | but it generates it based on a static password
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| 18:34 | <nubae> yeah right, which hopefully u dont write down anywhere
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| 18:34 | <Lns> i agree it's definitely more secure as far as brute force goes
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| 18:35 | <nubae> even if someone got your generator, still wouldnt help much
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| 18:35 | or got the password without the generator
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| 18:36 | * Lns wants thin clients with integrated retina scanners | |
| 18:37 | <nubae> theits also good with packet sniffing
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| 18:37 | since the password is only valid for one session, its kinda useless to store it for an attacker in the middle
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| 18:38 | http://www.cs.umd.edu/~harry/jotp/
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| 18:40 | <zoredache> Lns: what happens once someone has a scan of your eye? Replacing your is kinda difficult
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| 18:40 | <nubae> heh, u can use a photocopy or picture of yourself and the retina scanner wouldn't do too much good
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| 18:41 | <Lns> zoredache: yeah..they'd pretty much need your actual eye
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| 18:41 | <nubae> kinda like thumbprints and facial recognition, silly hackable technology
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| 18:41 | <Lns> which, if they get it..well, you'll have more important issues to worry about ;)
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| 18:41 | no
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| 18:41 | <nubae> could make a contact lens with your retina image
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| 18:41 | <Lns> wait..have you guys heard about actually using scanned images for your eye?
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| 18:41 | <nubae> there are always ways around it
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| 18:42 | <zoredache> Lns: only in the movies
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| 18:42 | <nubae> I have for facial recognition...
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| 18:42 | <ogra> it would have to be hologram but you can surely do it
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| 18:42 | <Lns> ah.. yes, and i heard about fingerprinting being pretty easy to dupe off of a door knob
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| 18:42 | <nubae> off anything
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| 18:42 | fingerprinting is totally insecure
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| 18:42 | <Lns> well, multifactor would make it insanely hard to get all of that ;)
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| 18:43 | <nubae> dna printing
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| 18:43 | <Lns> my bank's online portal likes to ask random personal questions
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| 18:43 | <vagrantc> and when people have absolute faith in the authentication method, if someone compromises it they get all the goods.
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| 18:43 | <Lns> "who's your mother's mother?" "When is the last time you went to the bathroom?"
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| 18:44 | <nubae> happened with the card system in holland which is used for all publix transportation
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| 18:44 | <zoredache> Lns: look how well that worked out for Palin
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| 18:44 | <Lns> vagrantc: very true
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| 18:44 | <ogra> Lns, "how did your last defecation go ?"
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| 18:44 | <vagrantc> "there's no possible way someone could have possibly done X, Y AND Z!" "but they did."
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| 18:45 | <Lns> ogra: yeah, i was wondering why there was an ethernet cable hooked up to the toilet
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| 18:45 | <nubae> card got cracked and leaked to the net, all cause it was a closed system which no one tested
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| 18:45 | <ogra> bowl cam !
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| 18:45 | <Lns> lol
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| 18:45 | <zoredache> didn't you see the google internet?
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| 18:45 | <ogra> now that would be real safety !
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| 18:46 | <Lns> What I view as the closest we'll ever get to complete security will have to do with trust
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| 18:46 | as in PGP/GPG keys with trust factors
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| 18:46 | <nubae> yeah pgp is about as good as it gets
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| 18:47 | <ogra> anyway
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| 18:47 | <nubae> but computers get faster and people get smarter, so who knows...
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| 18:47 | <Lns> night ogra
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| 18:47 | <nubae> yah me too.. its almost 2 am here
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| 18:47 | <Lns> hehe
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| 18:47 | <ogra> come on 13min to go :)
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| 18:47 | <Lns> almost 5pm here.. i still have a lot of nothing to do =p
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| 18:48 | <nubae> heh
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| 20:38 | <petre> warren, ping
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| 20:38 | <warren> petre: pong
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| 20:38 | <petre> I just sent the announcement
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| 20:38 | sorry for the delay, but I've been kinda swamped
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| 20:39 | <warren> thanks for taking care of this
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| 20:39 | I'm a bit swamped myself
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| 20:39 | <petre> at least you have bragging rights about being in Japan for your swampedness ;-)
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| 20:40 | on k12linux.org, can there be a Download at the same level as News, Meetings, etc.?
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| 20:40 | I thought I had a login for the wiki, but if I did, I've forgotten it
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| 20:40 | was planning to add a download section
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| 20:40 | I see the link in the latest News item, but that's pretty easy to miss
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| 20:41 | <warren> petre: wiki is the same as fedora account
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| 20:42 | petre: http://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ you can request to reset password here
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| 20:42 | <petre> tx, that's what I need
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| 20:56 | <petre> warren, what version of k12linux are we calling this?
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| 20:57 | besides the rc1, I mean
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| 20:58 | <warren> petre: err... officially K12Linux Terminal Server F9 RC1
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| 20:58 | petre: but no big deal, we'll fix it for RC2
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| 20:59 | <petre> warren, wiki now had downloads section
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| 20:59 | <warren> ok
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| 20:59 | I have to leave soon
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| 20:59 | <petre> I was thinking there I would use the full name, whatever the full name is
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| 20:59 | not urgent
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| 21:00 | <warren> maybe we should drop "Terminal Server" from the name
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| 21:01 | it is clear enough to call it
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| 21:01 | K12Linux F9 RC2
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| 21:01 | K12Linux EL6
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| 21:01 | etc.
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| 22:53 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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