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Channel log from 22 August 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:31 | <ogra> warren, the ebox works in a partially usable way in ubuntu once booted, X performance wasnt great but usable ... booting was the slow part (5min for nfs, 2min for nbd)
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| 03:32 | warren, i pretty much suspect its caused by kernel suport for the integrated SiS CPU being regressed or so between 2.6.16 and later kernels
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| 03:39 | <acp_> hi can any one direct me to a howto troubleshooting usb webcam, I have a logitech quickcam notebo v4L1 I have plug it in my ltsp server and its working fine but when I plug it on my thinclient its not detected, but usbflash drive is detected.
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| 03:50 | <ogra> its not supported yet
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| 03:50 | (on clients that is)
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| 04:20 | <acp_> hi sory I change os, I post awhile ago regarding troubleshooting usb web cam on thinclient can any one redirect me to it,tnx
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| 04:23 | <ogra> its not supported yet
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| 04:26 | <acp_> hi ogra please confirm that webcam for thin client is not yet supported in ltsp-5, do you know any forum discussing this? tnx again for your time
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| 04:26 | <ogra> right, its not supported in ltsp5 yet
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| 04:28 | ere would be the best forum :) beyond that the ltsp-developer mailing list on sourceforge or file an upstream whishlist bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+filebug
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| 04:28 | <acp_> thanks
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| 04:29 | <ogra> (here with the resriction that most of my fellow developers are on US timezones, so wait some hours to get them showing up :) )
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| 04:30 | i'D personally like to work on somethng like webcam and microphone suport but not for this release yet
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| 04:31 | <acp_> ic, I would really like to have that feature, specially Im running a internet cafe ltsp setup
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| 04:32 | <cyberorg> it should be possible once local app support is done, it would be a matter of adding drivers in chroot and an app to use it
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| 04:32 | hi ogra :)
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| 04:33 | <ogra> sure localapp support could help but that will still take 6 months or so until its done properly
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| 04:34 | and beyond that i mean in a real thin environment :) i.e. have a 64M client as callcenter device with ltsp+asterisk+empathy+webcam :)
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| 04:34 | * ogra is about the lower the minimal reqs of ubuntu to 24M atm :) | |
| 04:34 | <ogra> compcache rules
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| 04:35 | <cyberorg> 24M is stretching it a bit :), i could boot with 64M but it was not very usable
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| 04:36 | <ogra> well, you have to live with restrictions on 32M atm with ubuntu indeed ... forget about sound or localdev :)
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| 04:36 | but 32M works fine
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| 04:37 | and some poor countries only have P1 with 32M hanging around and are happy to be able to at least have a browser running for the kids
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| 04:38 | (though i would go with XDMCP in such setups anyway ... if you dont have sound or localdev you dont really need ldm)
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| 04:38 | <cyberorg> unfortunately suse's default kernel does not boot on less than i586
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| 04:38 | <ogra> i586 is P1
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| 04:39 | <cyberorg> oh, i should test it then, minimum i have used pIII 64M
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| 04:39 | <ogra> ubuntu has a -i386 kernel package thats even working on i486 (silly naming though)
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| 04:39 | but i never tried a 486 client :)
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| 04:40 | and we dont officially support them
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| 04:40 | <cyberorg> i have not seen one working for a long time :)
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| 04:43 | <acp_> hi is it nesesary to update myltsp chroot?
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| 06:12 | <cyberorg> nbd-client got "-persist to infinitely retry connections dropped by server." we can safely add small interval(10 min) time out?
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| 07:23 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: did you ever get a positive reply about whether {release}-updates always exists by policy, so that it can be added to ltsp-build-clients as sources.list?
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| 08:34 | <jammcq> g'morning friends
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| 08:35 | <tarzeau> HELLO
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| 08:36 | CAN I GIVE AN LTSP CLIENT MY VERY OWN XORG.CONF ?
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| 08:36 | <warren> "As it seems to affect only very wide logo, it would be safe to carry patche in our package if upstream is not interested?"
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| 08:36 | this attitude itself is telling
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| 08:36 | <Q-FUNK> ?!
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| 08:37 | <jammcq> yeah, ?
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| 08:37 | <warren> "nobody replied to my mail, thus I am going to assume upstream doesn't care and I will patch it myself
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| 08:37 | jammcq: pointing out more opensuse stupidity
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| 08:37 | jammcq: they are a fork, we call them a fork, and this attitude makes it even more clear
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| 08:37 | <jammcq> everybody is stupid from time to time
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| 08:38 | and zonker is trying to help out
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| 08:38 | <Q-FUNK> so much for zeeland-ltsp
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| 08:38 | <cyberorg> warren, it wasnt my mail
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| 08:40 | <jammcq> warren, everybody needs a chance to get into the fold of ltsp-5. at first, we weren't so sure about you. we gave you a chance, and you've come through very nicely
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| 08:40 | <warren> i'm going back to work
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| 08:40 | <cyberorg> the question was to get feedback from developers
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| 08:41 | please stop attacking people for no reason
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| 08:46 | <warren> cyberorg: you don't see how your attitude in that post was bad?
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| 08:47 | <tarzeau> 15:21 < tarzeau> HELLO
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| 08:47 | 15:21 < tarzeau> CAN I GIVE AN LTSP CLIENT MY VERY OWN XORG.CONF ?
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| 08:48 | hello
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| 08:48 | <cyberorg> warren, how is asking if we can apply patch to ldm for the issue that affects only our theme after not receiving any feedback about the issue bad? carry on doing you work, i dont want to keep you from anything
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| 08:49 | <warren> cyberorg: that isn't true, it does effect the standarda theme
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| 08:50 | cyberorg: that is a good question, I would try to get sbalneav to answer. I didn't write that part.
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| 08:50 | <tarzeau> how can i give an ltsp client my very own xorg.conf ?
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| 08:50 | <jammcq> tarzeau: yes, it's possible
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| 08:51 | unfortunately, I don't recall the syntax to make it work. perhaps warren or ogra or someone else can point out the solution
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| 08:51 | <warren> X_CONFIG or somethig?
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| 08:51 | <cyberorg> warren, when there was no reply i assume no one else had any problem except us, how is that bad? no offense was intended with that question
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| 08:51 | <warren> cyberorg: you also can't expect every mail to be seen by the rihgt person
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| 08:52 | <ogra> tarzeau, X_CONF=/etc/xorg.xonf-tarzeau in lts.conf .... put that into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/xorg.xonf-tarzeau (and in cse of ubuntu run ltsp-update-image)
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| 08:52 | <cyberorg> warren, of course i understand that, that is why i replied to the mail asking for feedback in case it was missed the first time when posted by lejo
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| 08:53 | <warren> etyack: that X_CONF suggestion above might be relevant for you as well
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| 08:53 | <ogra> tarzeau, for debian (which still uses nfs, there is no need for the update-image step ... i think i remember you run debian over there)
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| 08:53 | <tarzeau> ogra: exactly, i'm trying that right now
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| 08:55 | <ogra> warren, sbalneav doesnt touch the gui parts, thats (been) my area (and is currently rather unmaintained or probably taken by Ryan52 )
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| 08:56 | i wouldnt object changes to the gui to be dynamically computed according to the actual screensize vs logo size ... i would object just dropping the part that makes sure it doesnt look odd though ...
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| 08:57 | just dropping it wont be the proper solution
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| 08:59 | so i'd be fine with suse patching it on their own (i dont mind if they break it for themselves) but would indeed prefer a proper patch we all could use upstream that takes screen size and widget sizes into accoun and scales the logo properly based on these values for example
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| 09:00 | a first step would be to file an upstream whishlist bug ;)
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| 09:00 | <cyberorg> ogra, only if there were smart devs on our team :)
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| 09:00 | <ogra> cyberorg, well, as i said i'm fine if you do what you think you need ... but please make upstream aware that there is a problem that should be solved ;)
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| 09:01 | <tarzeau> ogra: it didn't work? X_CONF or X_CONFIG?
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| 09:01 | <cyberorg> ogra, that was the purpose for posting the issue on -developers list :)
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| 09:01 | <etyack> warren: yes
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| 09:02 | <tarzeau> ogra: is it X_CONF or X_CONFIG ? i tried X_CONF and that didn't take the xorg.conf.wide
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| 09:02 | <ogra> tarzeau, ltsp_config has X_CONF=${X_CONF:-"$XF86CONFIG_FILE"}
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| 09:03 | tarzeau, so you should as well be able to use XF86CONFIG_FILE
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| 09:03 | i cant remember what debian version you used ... it might be that this still uses the ols variable name (though it must be really old then)
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| 09:03 | *old
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| 09:04 | cyberorg, well, filing a bug would be better
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| 09:04 | <tarzeau> ogra: and leave away the LIKE = 1920 which says: X_MODE_0 = 1920x1200 ?
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| 09:05 | <ogra> cyberorg, but the dev list is better than nothing indeed :)
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| 09:05 | tarzeau, that should be ignored anyway as soon as you use a custom config file
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| 09:06 | <tarzeau> ogra: ok retrying
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| 09:06 | <ogra> at least in ubuntu the X configuration doesnt fire as soon as it sees a custom file being set
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| 09:06 | i'm pretty sure debian does something similar
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| 09:06 | though if you dont get anywhere you might need to wait for vagrantc
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| 09:07 | i'm not into the debian specifics wrt X configuration ... ubuntu doesnt use xdebconfgurator like debian
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| 09:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning all
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| 09:28 | <hp> hi ogra, ok to bother you?
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| 09:28 | got some questions again
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| 09:28 | <ogra> try it ... i'm not the only person in this channel though, there are 71 others to bother ;)
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| 09:29 | <hp> so I tried installing an HP LaserJet 1022n on Ubuntu LTSP 5,
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| 09:29 | the printer is attached to a thin client
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| 09:30 | I configured the lts.conf, under the MAC address of the thin client, I put in PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0
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| 09:30 | <ogra> its an usb printer ?
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| 09:30 | <hp> yup, its a USB printer
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| 09:31 | a few times I even put in printer port, printer type in the lts.conf
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| 09:31 | <ogra> well, might be that you need to install the hplip in the chroot for these printers
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| 09:31 | <hp> and then I would configure the printing via the system menu, like you guided
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| 09:31 | <ogra> no need for the port type
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| 09:31 | the device suffices
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| 09:32 | <hp> I did check for the jetpipe, like you instructed me the other night
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| 09:32 | so jetpipe is in /usr/sbin
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| 09:32 | ok hplip
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| 09:32 | I have to install it in the chroot, I just do an apt-get install of it?
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| 09:32 | <ogra> did you check if jetpie is started for the device ?
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| 09:32 | yeah
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| 09:33 | <hp> I ran top but it wasn't there
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| 09:33 | <ogra> hmm
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| 09:34 | <hp> so I guess now I have to try the hplip thing, I was thinking of other utililities/packages for HP printers that I might be missing
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| 09:35 | <ogra> well, the printer should just work actually, but i have seen a lot probs with HP GDI printers
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| 09:35 | does it usually work ... i.e. if you attach it directly to the server ?
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| 09:35 | <hp> yes, it does work when attached to the server
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| 09:36 | whenever I configure it via the system menu, I do a print test page and then the system notifies me that the printer might not be connecte
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| 09:37 | then when I try to print a page of a text file, the printing status says "recoverable: Network host'192.168.2.50' is busy; will retry in 30 seconds...
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| 09:38 | <ogra> well, if jetpipe doesnt run that rather smells like a client side prob
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| 09:38 | (you ran top on the client console, right ? not in the session or on the server)
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| 09:39 | <hp> in the session
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| 09:39 | not on the client console
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| 09:39 | <ogra> thats on the server then
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| 09:39 | <hp> yes, I believe so
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| 09:39 | <ogra> set: SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm in your lts.conf
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| 09:39 | <hp> i did, you told me to do that last time
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| 09:40 | <ogra> then hit ctrl-alt-f2 on the freshly booted client
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| 09:40 | and run top there :)
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| 09:40 | or ps ax
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| 09:40 | <hp> ok will do that on monday :), then I should see jetpipe running when i do top, oops, I totally forgot doing ps ax
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| 09:40 | I could've done that :)
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| 09:41 | <ogra> either will do :)
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| 09:41 | you should see jetpipe with the devicenae as argument
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| 09:41 | *name
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| 09:41 | <hp> anyway, what if jetpipe doesn't show, what would be my option then
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| 09:41 | <ogra> (jetpipe is a pretty dumb 20 line pythonc script)
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| 09:42 | ask here again so we can debug why it doesnt run
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| 09:42 | (it shoudl though)
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| 09:42 | <hp> I'll take your word for it
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| 09:42 | <ogra> ;)
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| 09:42 | <hp> but I will also get hplip just to be sure, right?
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| 09:43 | <ogra> well, first check the jetpipe side
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| 09:43 | fi thats running fine your prob lies elsewheer
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| 09:43 | <hp> I see
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| 09:46 | sure hope it works... Thanks again.
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| 10:39 | <quarKit> news from java audio problem...
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| 10:40 | <quarKit> i tried wine software, and i noticed that using ESD driver in winecfg it works
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| 10:40 | <etyack> warren: we tested your updated ldm on our server with no problem. waiting for our client to give us the go ahead to install on their server.
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| 10:41 | <quarKit> but i used esddsp java ecc ecc and it didn't worked
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| 10:41 | ehy?
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| 10:41 | why?*
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| 11:10 | <dberkholz> warren: no, it's named "kernel-genkernel-$arch-$name". initramfs is "initramfs-genkernel-$arch-$name". where name is e.g. "2.6.25-gentoo-r7"
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| 11:11 | <warren> dberkholz: ok... you're going to have to go in and change the script after I check it in to handle your kernels
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| 11:11 | dberkholz: the script will just ignore your kernels at first, which is at least safe
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| 11:11 | <dberkholz> do you guys not use the bzImage in fedora?
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| 11:12 | just curious why it's called vmlinuz
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| 11:12 | <warren> dberkholz: not sure why it is named that way, but most distros name it vmlinuz-NAME
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| 11:12 | dberkholz: it is the bzImage
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| 11:12 | <dberkholz> the uncompressed name is vmlinuz
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| 11:12 | guess people just did it that way to avoid changing their tools
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| 11:12 | <warren> isn't the uncompressed name vmlinux?
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| 11:12 | <ogra> ubuntu and devian use vmlinuz as well
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| 11:12 | *debian
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| 11:13 | <warren> devian. it's like debian, without the morals.
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| 11:13 | <ogra> right and bzImage should be the work name
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| 11:13 | heh
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| 11:13 | <dberkholz> eh, maybe you're right on that
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| 11:13 | <warren> dberkholz: for whatever reason I'm dealing with what it is today.
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| 11:13 | <dberkholz> the "z" apparently indicates compression
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| 11:13 | <ogra> yep
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| 11:14 | ppc uses vmlinux
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| 11:14 | iir
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| 11:14 | c
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| 11:14 | <warren> brb food
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| 11:14 | <dberkholz> from kernel README: "The kernel image file is usually /vmlinuz, /boot/vmlinuz, /bzImage or /boot/bzImage."
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| 11:15 | <ogra> btw ubuntu has initrd.img-$(uname -r)-$(flavour) and vmlinuz-$(uname -r)-$(flavour)
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| 11:15 | i.e. vmlinuz-2.6.26-5-generic
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| 11:15 | or vmlinuz-2.6.26-5-i386
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| 11:16 | (or vmlinuz-2.6.26-5-lpia for atom)
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| 11:29 | <quarKit> why wine with esd sounds good and not esddsp java?
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| 11:34 | <cyberorg> for opensuse names could be anything that is required by ltsp, currently it is kernel-ltsp and initrd-ltsp
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| 11:35 | <warren> without the version of the kernel as part of the filename?
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| 11:35 | cyberorg: no name is required by ltsp
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| 11:35 | <warren> cyberorg: just the cleanup script wants to know all the usual variations of names so it can cleanup old kernels
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| 12:20 | <pleed> Hi, does anyone have an idea why i cant login on my terminal clients? everytime i m trying the screen goes black and again gdm is started and prompts for a login.
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| 12:26 | <cyberorg> pleed, what distro?
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| 12:27 | <johnny> pleed, sure it is gdm?
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| 12:27 | and not ldm?
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| 12:29 | <pleed> johnny: sorry it is ldm, long time ago i use a login manager. i m using debian.
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| 12:30 | <cyberorg> strange, _UsUrPeR_ just reported the same on opensuse
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| 12:30 | <pleed> well, maybe it is because of a missing window manager, thought i ve already install xfce but i didnt. telling you if it works in some minutes
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| 12:31 | <cyberorg> pleed, try login directly on the server
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| 12:31 | <pleed> cyberorg: it s a xen domU
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| 12:32 | okay it s working now
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| 12:34 | what about the terminal client performance needed? i had the idea to grab some old toshiba satellite (about 16-32mb memory) and use them as terminal clients.
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| 12:34 | Now i ve got it on a P3 and it s using all of its 256 mb ram
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| 12:36 | <ogra> if you want to use all features (sound, printing, localdevices) you should estimate 128M
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| 12:36 | <cyberorg> might just work with 32M, but to be really usable you need more ram
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| 12:37 | <ogra> i think even debian needs about 48M for kernel and initramfs to boot (not sure they use the ubuntu hack for automatic nbd swap ... which would enable you to use 32M)
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| 12:37 | <pleed> well i could use gentoo
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| 12:38 | maybe that will safe some performance
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| 12:38 | <ogra> well, gentoo uses a 2.6 kernel and initramfs as well
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| 12:38 | not sure how much ram it needs with ltsp5 atm, its pretty new
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| 12:38 | johnny would be able to tell you
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| 12:39 | ubuntu definately works with 32M but dont expect the features to work
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| 12:39 | <pleed> the people wont need any sound, just email,internet and programming stuff
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| 12:39 | <ogra> 64M are ok on ubuntu but i would really recoment 128
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| 12:40 | programming likely means you want them to be able to take stuff home
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| 12:40 | <pleed> think i ll test it in qemu later reducing the ram to 64/32/16 and see how it works
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| 12:40 | <ogra> so localdev should work, that needs some ram
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| 12:40 | * ogra would recomend vbox | |
| 12:41 | <pleed> ogra: well we all use git
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| 12:41 | <ogra> the network setup is done with two mouseclicks
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| 12:41 | ???
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| 12:41 | * ogra wonders what a vcs has to do with a virtual machine | |
| 12:41 | <pleed> ogra: because you said "take stuff home"
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| 12:41 | <johnny> pleed, he's just saying that vbox is what we tend to use
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| 12:41 | <ogra> ah
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| 12:42 | <johnny> ogra! HEY
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| 12:42 | <ogra> you mean you use git on a central server online ... now i get it :)
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| 12:42 | hey johnny :)
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| 12:42 | <johnny> so. will the the intrepid ltsp stuff work in hardy?
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| 12:43 | <ogra> i didnt plan to backport anything, no
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| 12:43 | <johnny> not as backports
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| 12:43 | i mean forced install
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| 12:43 | just wondering if the packages really required anything in intrepid
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| 12:43 | <ogra> no idea, thats nothing i usually try
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| 12:43 | <johnny> where's your ltsp install again?
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| 12:43 | lol
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| 12:43 | <ogra> i guess it would work though
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| 12:44 | there is nothing massively changed server side
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| 12:44 | <johnny> that's what i was hoping
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| 12:44 | <ogra> so an intrepid image might work
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| 12:44 | <johnny> are you refreshing the packages anytime soon?
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| 12:44 | or are they stuck?
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| 12:44 | <ogra> i have a request from laga for an SRU and Q-Funk wa asking to enable hardy-updates by default
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| 12:45 | <pleed> ogra: could you please specify vbox a little bit more because google has a lot of different things on it
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| 12:45 | <ogra> so these two changes might get in
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| 12:45 | <johnny> pleed, virtualbox
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| 12:45 | <ogra> but currently i'm working towards featur freeze
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| 12:45 | which is next week, so thats my main focus
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| 12:45 | <johnny> well that sounds like local apps won't be ready then?
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| 12:45 | if not, i'll have to set everything up manually
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| 12:45 | <ogra> it will be ready as much as we have now
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| 12:46 | and i'll fix bugs as they show up before release
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| 12:46 | <pleed> well dont understand why virtualbox is what i want. there are some old notebooks and i d like to make them usable.
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| 12:46 | <ogra> maning sshfs withbe installed by default, the ldm changes will be in
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| 12:46 | <johnny> pleed, he meant virtualbox isntead of qemu
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| 12:46 | <ogra> and the xrexec script will be there
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| 12:46 | <johnny> how about ssh 5.1 ?
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| 12:46 | <pleed> sry, seems i m too confused today xD
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| 12:46 | <ogra> pleed, setting up the networking stuff in qemu is quite painful compared to vbox
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| 12:47 | vbox needs two mouseclicks
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| 12:47 | qemu needs tun/tap setup etc
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| 12:47 | * johnny clicks on ogra | |
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| 12:47 | <pleed> ogra: using qemu often with networking stuffe, but trying vbox. thanks
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| 12:47 | <ogra> for testing i'D use a vbox server with vbox clients
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| 12:47 | <johnny> yeah.. i do that..
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| 12:47 | * ogra too | |
| 12:48 | * ogra feels clicked | |
| 12:48 | <johnny> altho more often.. i use vbox for the clients only.. as the server stuff is installed on my desktop anyways
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| 12:49 | i'm expecting to upgrade to intrepid asap
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| 12:50 | <ogra> if you have non 686 clients wait for the next kernel update
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| 12:50 | there was an oversight that made th kernel team miss to enable m586
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| 12:50 | <johnny> no
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| 12:50 | they are all 585
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| 12:51 | err
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| 12:51 | 686
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| 12:51 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:52 | <johnny> our clients are actually waay overpowered
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| 12:53 | they need local apps
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| 12:53 | they need more ram first tho..
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| 12:53 | i'm probably going to have to intervene manually before intrepid is released, that is why i asked about the packages
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| 12:54 | <ogra> yeah, manually will work
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| 12:54 | but the proper transparent implementation will likely be intrepid+1
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| 12:54 | <johnny> i'll have to intervene manually then for that :)
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| 12:54 | ubuntu moves too slow for me
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| 12:54 | <ogra> (and unlike others here i wont promote it until its really properly done :P )
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| 12:55 | <johnny> hmm.. i'll also need a newer ssh.. :(
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| 12:56 | <ogra> ask for a backport :)
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| 12:56 | * cyberorg kicks ogra | |
| 12:56 | <ogra> :)
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| 12:57 | cyberorg, i think warren is in the same boat as you actually ...
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| 12:57 | <cyberorg> ogra, release early, often :)
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| 12:57 | <warren> I rather not share boats with them.
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| 12:57 | ogra: what boat?
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| 12:57 | <ogra> warren, promoting localapps even though we only have the skeleton yet
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| 12:58 | * johnny puts a hole in warren's boat so he has to share | |
| 12:58 | <cyberorg> ogra, there is a big red warning here: http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Localapps
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| 12:58 | * ogra gives warren a snorkel in case he really doesnt want to share :) | |
| 12:58 | <warren> ogra: I didn't promote it at all
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| 12:58 | ogra: I didn't write any docs
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| 12:59 | ogra: I didn't tell my users to try it
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| 12:59 | <ogra> warren, well, i was suspecting you to announce it for FC10
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| 12:59 | <johnny> ogra, i only need firefox and flash, nothing else really
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| 12:59 | those are what eat up my system
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| 12:59 | <ogra> ohh, docs ... that reminds me ...
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| 13:00 | * ogra makes a big fat note on forehead to finish the .desktp file spec on the weekend | |
| 13:00 | <warren> ogra: I don't intend on promoting local apps until we have openssh-5.1 fully pushed in F-9 and I write some docs.
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| 13:00 | <ogra> FC9 ß
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| 13:00 | ?
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| 13:00 | <warren> and looking over the spec having to do with .desktop files, it seems over engineered to me.
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| 13:00 | <ogra> its transparent
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| 13:00 | not over engineered
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| 13:01 | <warren> ogra: our openssh maintainer deemed 5.1 has being not very different from 5.0 and we did a ton of tests on it to be sure.
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| 13:01 | ogra: a month after we began testing it and it isn't in stable updates yet.
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| 13:01 | <ogra> you wont have to do anything and just have localapps as soon as you install an ap with .dsktop file in the chroot
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| 13:01 | <warren> but soon will
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| 13:01 | when and who will implement that part?
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| 13:01 | and why does it bother you if people do it the current way?
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| 13:02 | <ogra> and have a blacklist variable in lts.conf if you want to suppress an app
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| 13:02 | <warren> note that I'm not doing it yet
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| 13:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: I'm building a client image right now. I'll let you know how your fix goes.
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| 13:02 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: which fix?
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| 13:02 | oh
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| 13:02 | _UsUrPeR_: wasn't my fix
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| 13:02 | <ogra> it bothers me that any admin has to do anything beyond installing an app
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| 13:02 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: and that was totally an X problem
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| 13:02 | _UsUrPeR_: the ldm fix only makes it fail gracefully after X died
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| 13:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: oh. etyack had emailed it to me. I assumed he got it from you.
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| 13:03 | <ogra> i want my users to just have to run synaptic for the chroot and select the apps they want as localapps in a final implementation
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| 13:03 | <warren> ogra: when and who will implement that?
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| 13:03 | <ogra> me in intrepid+1
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| 13:03 | <warren> ogra: until it happens, screaming "stop using this thing that works!" is a little annoying.
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| 13:03 | <ogra> if nobody else steps up before
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| 13:04 | well, i'm not used to promote half implemented specs ... but feel free to do so, i wont shout anymore
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| 13:04 | <warren> ogra: I might just do it if I achieve this pile of other things
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| 13:05 | * ogra simply prefers to have things working correctly before he gives t to his users .,.. might indeed take longer that way | |
| 13:06 | <ogra> i'm just scared by things like the novell howto for setting up pulse on ubuntu ltsp on edgy (6.10) that *still* bites my users today
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| 13:06 | simply because they find it through google
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| 13:06 | and try to apply it on a system that has pulse set up already ... which then trashes everything in the end
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| 13:07 | we didnt have pulse support back then ... now we have a fully working pulse but the docs to break that still exist
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| 13:08 | <cyberorg> who is Fnjordy?
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| 13:08 | <ogra> so i like to step back until everything works fine before promoting anything ... thats what learned from it
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| 13:08 | <johnny> ogra, that is a lie.. pulse sucks in hardy
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| 13:08 | <ogra> johnny, not in ltsp :)
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| 13:08 | <johnny> oh
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| 13:09 | well it sucks in general for normal desktop
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| 13:09 | <cyberorg> ogra, those wiki pages are set up by http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/User:Fnjordy
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| 13:09 | <ogra> admittedly the pulse setup on hardy desktops is madly bad
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| 13:09 | <johnny> ok good that you admit that :)
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| 13:09 | <ogra> cyberorg, yeah, i didnt blame anyone :) it even predates your involvement
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| 13:09 | <johnny> i have no idea how pulse performs in ltsp, as i have no sound
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| 13:10 | <cyberorg> you can edit incorrect information or post link to the proper docs there, or i will be happy to do it if you tell me what to change
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| 13:10 | <ogra> well, a note "dont use on newer implementations" at the top would suffice i guess
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| 13:10 | <johnny> dberkholz, any updates on my stuff?
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| 13:11 | <warren> hmm
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| 13:11 | the nbdroot image doesn't need /boot/vmlinuz* /boot/initrd* and stuff
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| 13:11 | but does it need /boot/System.map-*?
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| 13:11 | <cyberorg> warren, i get rid of /boot completely
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| 13:12 | <ogra> warren, it still uses tftp booting, indeed it needs /boot/vmlinuz and firends
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| 13:13 | <warren> ogra: in the nbdroot image?
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| 13:13 | * warren tries booting without /boot | |
| 13:13 | <ogra> warren, no in tftproot ... but that has to come from aywhere
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| 13:13 | oh, you plan to exclude the dir from mksquashfs ?
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| 13:14 | <warren> yes
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| 13:14 | <ogra> well, thats only gaining yu a meg or two ...
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| 13:14 | <warren> sure
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| 13:14 | but not needed
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| 13:14 | <ogra> squashfs has a 1:% compression rate
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| 13:14 | <warren> anything else that isn't needed...
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| 13:14 | <ogra> 1:5
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| 13:14 | <warren> well the /boot contents are already compressed
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| 13:15 | <ogra> true
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| 13:16 | the intresting parts of a kernel are in /lib/modules size wise ....
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| 13:17 | <cyberorg> ogra, fixed
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| 13:17 | <ogra> gracias
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| 13:17 | it was only an example why i dont like to have premature implementaions promoted though :)
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| 13:19 | <cyberorg> ogra, thanks to localapp i got idea about icecream :)
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| 13:19 | <ogra> oh, we had distcc users years ago here already :)
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| 13:20 | <cyberorg> ogra, this one is little better that distcc ;)
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| 13:20 | <warren> oh god
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| 13:20 | I'm being hassled about the nbdroot patches because it doesn't support ipv6.
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| 13:20 | <ogra> lol
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| 13:20 | yay for networking purists :)
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| 13:21 | warren, tell them its unlikely you will ever have ltsp setups that exhaust class C v4 networks on one server :)
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| 13:21 | <warren> ogra: I countered "nfsroot doesn't work with ipv6 either"?
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| 13:22 | <cyberorg> warren, it is ugly, but see all the rm -rf here https://forgesvn1.novell.com/viewsvn/kiwi-ltsp/trunk/kiwi-ltsp/ltsp/suse-11.0/config.sh?revision=260&view=markup
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| 13:22 | <ogra> that as well :)
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| 13:22 | though the new nfs might
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| 13:22 | (nfs v4 does support ipv6 i heard (never tried it though)
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| 13:24 | <warren> cyberorg: heh.. I guess you don't need the rpmdb ...
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| 13:25 | <cyberorg> no
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| 13:25 | <warren> well that explains how you get your image so small
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| 13:25 | <cyberorg> image can be rebuilt in few minutes it is not worth the effort keeping all the extra baggage for something that would be used once or twice in image's life cycle
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| 13:27 | <warren> cyberorg: well thanks for this bit of info.
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| 13:27 | <cyberorg> an no there is no evil plan in showing you this :)
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| 13:28 | it took me over 6 months to figure out what can be removed and still keep image working
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| 13:28 | * warren takes the ketchup bottle. | |
| 13:30 | <warren> I might not trim it down that much.
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| 13:33 | <cyberorg> i still have to trim it down it is extremely bloated
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| 13:34 | see this: http://wire.dattitu.de/archives/2005/05/24/DirkLinux-v0.1.html
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| 13:34 | <ogra> how big is your resulting image ?
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| 13:34 | ubuntu is about 140M
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| 13:34 | which is totally fine imho
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| 13:34 | <cyberorg> 136M
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| 13:35 | ogra, just see the link :)
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| 13:35 | 16M aught to be good enough
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| 13:35 | * ogra sighs about briken certs | |
| 13:35 | <ogra> *broken
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| 13:35 | heh, thats a lot of removals
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| 13:35 | <cyberorg> ogra, this http://wire.dattitu.de/archives/2005/05/24/DirkLinux-v0.1.html
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| 13:36 | that is my inspiration
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| 13:38 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:38 | <cyberorg> i'd be happy to get to 50M
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| 13:38 | * ogra did stuff like that before :) | |
| 13:38 | <ogra> but thats only for personal use
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| 13:38 | its hard to keep something like that maintainable for masses
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| 13:39 | <cyberorg> i got it down to 97M if i remove locales
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| 13:39 | <warren> yeah, who wants locales?
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| 13:39 | <ogra> today i just use a 2G USB key to run my router
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| 13:39 | <cyberorg> warren, foreigners
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| 13:39 | <ogra> they are so cheap, its not worth the time you have to put in to strip it down that hard
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| 13:40 | <cyberorg> yeah, i got 8G stick for Rs 1400 ($1 = Rs 45)
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| 13:40 | prices are dropping every day
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| 13:41 | <ogra> right
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| 13:42 | <cyberorg> about $30 for 8G, it would have entire OS and thousands of mp3 to go with it :)
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| 13:43 | * cyberorg goes to bed | |
| 13:45 | <ogra> yeah, now think that my time costs $60/h :)
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| 13:45 | i'm good, but i wont build a 16M image in 30min ...
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| 13:55 | <Lns> Hey all...are there any existing LP/other bugs regarding gnome-panel crashing or otherwise experiencing very odd behavior in a TC session? Yesterday my TC's gnome-panel stopped responding all together (everything else seemed to work ok) and today a client of mine is experiencing issues as well.
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| 13:56 | * ogra hasnt heard about that, no | |
| 14:01 | <Lns> i've had some sparatic issues now and in the past regarding gnome-panel...
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| 14:02 | just weird.
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| 14:03 | one small thing i noticed that might or might not have anything to do with it is my weather-applet on my own system is very slow to respond to clicks/right-clicks, and it seems to lock the GUI all together until it responds
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| 14:03 | which is normally 2-4 seconds
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| 14:04 | other applets seem to work ok
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| 14:04 | <ogra> mine works fine
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| 14:04 | is that on a normal desktop ?
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| 14:04 | <Lns> yeah..acting as a TC
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| 14:04 | actually my system monitor applet does the same thing
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| 14:04 | <ogra> strange
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| 14:04 | <Lns> yeah..weird, and even clock now that i'm checking things out
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| 14:05 | ack..left-click on clock now just locked my panel completely
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| 14:05 | menus won't respond
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| 14:05 | sysmon applet is still progressing but won't respond to mouse
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| 14:06 | what's the best way to restart gnome-panel for a certain user?
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| 14:06 | <ogra> sudo pkill -u gnom-panel
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| 14:06 | i guess
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| 14:06 | <Lns> i'll see if this is the case on another TC i have
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| 14:07 | ok that seemed to fix...weird
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| 14:08 | * vagrantc tracked down some annoying issues with gnome when gnome-power-manager wasn't installed | |
| 14:08 | <ogra> really ?
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| 14:09 | that should actually improve things
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> yeah, logout would fail to happen consistantly.
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| 14:09 | <warren> wasn't?
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| 14:09 | <ogra> which gnome version ? 2.22 should have lots of fixes wrt g-p-m
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> if you login and log out without running any applications
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| 14:09 | <warren> vagrantc: My logout failures with openssh-5.1 are with KDE and XFCE, although GNOME is fi ne.
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| 14:09 | * vagrantc digs up the bug report | |
| 14:10 | <vagrantc> first noticed it on ltsp, of course, but then i tested it on a regular system.
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| 14:11 | http://bugs.debian.org/486007
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| 14:11 | gnome-session 2.22.3-1
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| 14:11 | <Lns> one sec
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| 14:11 | <ogra> hmm, that should be fine
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| 14:11 | probably somethng with dbus
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| 14:12 | <vagrantc> although it was reassigned to gnome-paenl 2.20.3-3
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| 14:12 | <ogra> 2.20 definately had issues
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| 14:12 | though not gnome-panel but g-p-m
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| 14:13 | <vagrantc> gnome-power-manager 2.22.1-2
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| 14:13 | <ogra> the 2.20 release, yes
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| 14:14 | <vagrantc> it's kind of a corner case ... how often do you log out without starting any applications?
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| 14:14 | <ogra> rarely
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| 14:14 | <vagrantc> but it's perplexing when it happens
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| 14:14 | <ogra> but i do ... for i.e. testing input device changes or some such
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| 14:14 | <vagrantc> yeah, me too.
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| 14:15 | testing ltsp, and various options for login ... making sure sound and localdev and localapps all work...
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| 14:15 | <ogra> yep
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| 14:15 | <Lns> it seems to not be the case (at least with a single logon) on another TC (koolu)
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| 14:16 | my w/s has an older ati radeon card in it
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| 14:17 | <warren> I'm likely tagging both ltsp and ldm later today.
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| 14:17 | perhaps this evening
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| 14:19 | <Lns> I'm using gnome v2.22.3
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| 14:20 | gnome-panel v 1:2.22.2-0ubuntu1.1
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| 14:21 | and in the past i've had random issues with people logging in and not getting gnome-panel at all (just gnome background, nautilus seems to work fine)
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| 14:21 | but that was a different version too
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| 14:21 | ctl+alt+bkspce and logging in seemed to work so it was pretty random
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| 14:22 | and did sometimes have the not-able-to-logout issue too which was fixed upon hardy upgrade
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| 14:25 | Does polkit interface directly w/gconf?
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| 14:25 | sorry if this is OT
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| 14:25 | <ogra> no, it doesnt
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| 14:26 | polkit controls access to system parts ...
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| 14:26 | like sudo just more silly :P
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| 14:26 | <Lns> more silly? ;)
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| 14:26 | * ogra is not a polkit fan ... | |
| 14:27 | <Lns> how come?
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| 14:27 | <ogra> well it just tries to reassemble sudo
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| 14:27 | attached to dbus
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| 14:27 | <Lns> ah
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| 14:27 | <ogra> and the UI is just crap
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| 14:28 | <Lns> yeah it seems pretty beta to me atm
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| 14:28 | good concept though imho
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| 14:28 | * ogra would have preferred improvements to the old and proven sudo instead of reinventing the wheel | |
| 14:29 | <johnny> yeah.. sometimes i wonder if davidz is smokin crack
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| 14:29 | <Lns> i see the advantages regarding executing code vulnerabilities in a program
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| 14:29 | <ogra> johnny, nope, marlboro
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| 14:29 | but thats probably near :)
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| 14:29 | <johnny> warren, you should kick davidz's ass..
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| 14:30 | first we get hal.. and now devicekit
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| 14:30 | they should revoke his programmer's license
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| 14:30 | <ogra> david moved on to do devicekit, Xkit crazy-something-else-kit
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| 14:30 | <johnny> yeah
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| 14:30 | it's annoying
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| 14:30 | <ogra> he doesnt do polkit and hal anymore
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| 14:30 | left that to others
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| 14:30 | <johnny> well.. hal becomes devicekit
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| 14:30 | that is what read
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| 14:30 | just a wrapper on top of udev and friends
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| 14:30 | <ogra> well
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| 14:31 | <johnny> like it should have been from the beginning
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| 14:31 | <ogra> udevmerged with hal become devkit
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| 14:31 | <johnny> because gasp.. maintaining fdi files is hard
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| 14:31 | DUH
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| 14:31 | <ogra> dbus moves into the kernel
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| 14:31 | (at leats the system bus)
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| 14:31 | <johnny> prove it
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| 14:32 | i've never seen such a thing on kerneltrap
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| 14:32 | <ogra> i cant but i paied the beer when kai sievers and david decided it :)
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| 14:32 | <johnny> figured it would have been mentioned there, if that was the case
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| 14:32 | <ogra> its their evil plan
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| 14:32 | <johnny> i thought the kernel folks were moving more stuff to user space..
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| 14:33 | <ogra> the system dbus was never really userspace :)
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| 14:33 | i mean it never made sense there
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| 14:33 | <johnny> loll.. sure it is
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| 14:33 | it runs in userspace
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| 14:33 | <ogra> right, but thats stupid
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| 14:33 | <johnny> are they trying to match windows or something? throw all the crap in the kernel
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| 14:33 | <ogra> only what belongs in the kernel
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| 14:34 | <johnny> i'd really love to read the lkml thread on such things, when they exist
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| 14:34 | <ogra> i dont think there is any lkml discussion yet
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| 14:34 | <johnny> yeah.. but be ready for it
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| 14:34 | <ogra> but its the future plan
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| 14:34 | <johnny> sounds like a flamewar in the making
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| 14:34 | <mccann> you guys are way off base about david
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| 14:34 | <johnny> i know alot of folks who are upset with him mccann
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| 14:35 | <ogra> it just makes sense to have the kernel attached dbus parts in kernel
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| 14:35 | <johnny> after the fiasco of earlier hals
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| 14:35 | <mccann> johnny: they are wrong
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| 14:35 | <johnny> we were holding tons of patches to hal
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| 14:35 | that were not accepted
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| 14:35 | <johnny> until 0.5.11
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| 14:35 | <mccann> who is "we"?
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| 14:35 | <ogra> mccann, i had beer with him four weeks ago in boston ...
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| 14:36 | well, five
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| 14:36 | <mccann> ogra: yeah I was invited and couldn't make it
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| 14:36 | <ogra> gah
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| 14:36 | would have loved to meet you
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| 14:36 | <mccann> same here
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| 14:36 | <johnny> mccann, sounds like ogra is not off base at all..
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| 14:37 | as far as the devicekit plans.. i read it directly from davidz's blog
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| 14:37 | <ogra> well, its not set in stone what wa discussed at that table in prague with a lot of beer ivolved :)
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| 14:37 | <mccann> david is one of our open source heros and he doesn't deserve to be talked about like this
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| 14:37 | <ogra> but much of it made a lot of sense
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| 14:37 | <johnny> it sure looked like alot of work behind the scenes
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| 14:37 | <mccann> anyway, carry on...
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| 14:37 | <johnny> and then a HUGE code drop
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| 14:37 | thus the causes of much irritation
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| 14:38 | <Lns> jerry...jerry.... =p
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| 14:38 | <johnny> and then he goes ahead and decides that wait.. hal was all wrong
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| 14:38 | and decide to go to udev
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| 14:38 | folks were telling him that all along
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| 14:38 | <ogra> it was a good first step
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| 14:38 | but not as perfect as it can be
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| 14:38 | <johnny> sure.. but it didn't have to happen that way
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| 14:38 | <ogra> look ltsp4 wasnt worng but unmaintainable ...
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| 14:39 | <johnny> well i can't say anything about that, as i wasn't around to have to deal with it
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| 14:39 | <ogra> if the concept wouldnt have been redone we wouldnt have ltsp at all anymore
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| 14:39 | simply because i wasnt maintainable as it was
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| 14:39 | <johnny> it seems like just a tiny bit more thought into it would have gotten rid of many of the initial problems
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| 14:40 | <warren> oh crap
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| 14:40 | <ogra> but its aim wasnt to solve the probs of the world
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| 14:40 | <warren> ipv6 addresses have colons in them right?
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| 14:40 | <johnny> warren, yumm colons :)
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| 14:40 | <ogra> it was onl the plan to make it a bit better
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| 14:40 | warren, they forcefully do
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| 14:40 | <johnny> ogra, i know.. but udev and sysfs were there since before :)
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| 14:41 | <ogra> yeah, and now its the time to merge them
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| 14:41 | <johnny> best thing that ever happened to 2.6 kernels in general
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| 14:41 | <ogra> nothing worng with that apart from the naming scheme :)
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| 14:42 | <johnny> other than the new development model..
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| 14:42 | yay for git..
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| 14:42 | and bitkeeper for that matter
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| 14:42 | <ogra> well, its up the upstream to decide what upstream wants to use
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| 14:43 | i would have choosen bzr and would have gotten grief for that as well
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| 14:43 | <johnny> bzr was too slow
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| 14:43 | <ogra> you cnat please everone
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| 14:43 | <johnny> bzr is still slow.. but not as slow as it used to be
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| 14:43 | <ogra> bzr is fine in comb with the right server bits
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| 14:43 | <johnny> ogra, can you tell me that the bzr guys read revctrl list? :)
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| 14:43 | i hope they do..
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| 14:43 | sometimes i feel they design in vacuum..
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| 14:43 | <ogra> ask in #bzr ;)
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| 14:44 | <ogra> they all come from other VCSes for which they used to develop before
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| 14:44 | and bzr is imho still the most userfriendly one
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| 14:44 | <johnny> they should have brought somebody in from monotone
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| 14:45 | i didn't find bzr any less or more friendly than any others
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| 14:45 | <ogra> i do
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| 14:45 | <johnny> i've used cvs,svn,git,mtn,bitkeeper
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| 14:45 | and a bit of darcs..
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| 14:45 | i am sad that git stole the steam from mtn tho
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| 14:46 | <ogra> i'm not masochistic enough to use git
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| 14:46 | <johnny> for simple operations it is easy enough
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| 14:46 | for remote pulls of large repos.. for anonymous checkouts.. i'd much rather use it than bzr, due to the speed
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| 14:47 | <ogra> well, i use bzr daily ....
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| 14:47 | ubuntu is about to move away from source packages completely
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| 14:47 | <johnny> that is a smart idea for sure
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| 14:47 | <laga> that's going to be nice
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| 14:47 | i really need to read up on bzr
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| 14:47 | <johnny> not much to read :)
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| 14:48 | all the systems have the one page summar that gets you started
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| 14:48 | <ogra> well, features like bzr shelf etc are usually not on that one page
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| 14:48 | or the awesome avahi backend
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| 14:50 | <laga> i wish it was git. :)
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| 14:50 | <ogra> bah
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| 14:50 | <johnny> the main difference between git/bzr/hg and mtn.. is that mtn doesn't like to forget
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| 14:50 | rebase is thus really hard to implement
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| 14:50 | or partial pulls for that matter
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| 14:54 | * ogra goes cooking ... | |
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| 15:01 | <warren> those things need sexier names
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| 15:01 | <Lns> lol
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| 15:01 | yes
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| 15:01 | <Ryan52> johnny: what's mtn?
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| 15:02 | * Lns suggests "the ltsp sexy" | |
| 15:03 | <Ryan52> oh, monotone
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| 15:04 | <Lns> brb...on my new tc =p
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| 15:10 | <johnny> Ryan52, as you asked me awhile ago
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| 15:10 | i used a jabber irc transport
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| 15:10 | that's why my hostname/ip doesn't change
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| 15:17 | * Ryan52 wonders how that has anything to do with what I just asked | |
| 15:17 | <johnny> no..
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| 15:17 | this was a question you asked awhile ago.. when i was on flaky wifi
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| 15:17 | * Lns is in love | |
| 15:18 | <Lns> this thing is faster than my P4 1.8ghz workstation! heh
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| 15:18 | <johnny> time to go to red emma's
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| 15:30 | * Lns is having panel issues still :( | |
| 15:31 | <Lns> ....wow
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| 15:31 | running gnome-volume-properties launches removable drives and media prefs
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| 15:31 | nice
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| 15:32 | <Lns> oh that's talking about VOLUMES not volume. =p
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| 15:33 | <Lns> Volume control panel applet is very slow to respond with anything... running gnome-volume-control from terminal runs quick as expected..and actually lists the sound chipset i need to control the volume
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| 15:36 | hrm. disabling ESD software sound mixing makes the applet respond fast
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| 15:37 | but still doesn't list the sound chipset (via) I need to control the actual volume
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| 17:28 | <warren> posted draft of tftpboot cleanup script to ltsp-developer
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| 17:28 | it needs some cleanup itself...
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| 17:37 | <gbolte> kekeke
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| 17:38 | you need to write a self cleaning script that first cleans itself then goes and finds other scripts to clean
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| 17:38 | rofl
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| 17:38 | where is decent AI when you need it
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| 18:33 | <warren> The Compaq Evo T20 thin client arrived today
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| 18:34 | it has some weird 4 pronged 5V power plug that I've never seen before
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| 18:34 | so I can't power this thing
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| 18:34 | (Evo T20 is NSC Geode GX1)
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| 18:35 | <gbolte> warren, need one of these maybe http://www.trademoon.com/ProdPics/Converted/231254-001.jpg
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| 18:36 | I guess thats its PSU
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| 18:36 | <warren> gbolte: nope, it is a round plug with four pins in it
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| 18:36 | AC adapter
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| 18:36 | <gbolte> yeah thats what I just showed you
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| 18:36 | http://www.trademoon.com/Product59654.aspx
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| 18:36 | Compaq Switching Power Supply Evo T20 T1000 T1010 T1500 T1510 Thin Clients
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| 18:36 | <warren> $65!?
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| 18:36 | holy crap
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| 18:37 | I bought this because it was $15 and I wanted to have a GX1 test machine
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| 18:37 | <gbolte> lol
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| 18:38 | warren, http://cgi.ebay.com/Compaq-231254-001-Power-Supply-T20-T1000-T1500_W0QQitemZ320277542864QQcmdZViewItem
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| 18:38 | <warren> oh god
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| 18:38 | this isn't worth it
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| 18:38 | i'm better off just trashing this thing
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| 18:39 | I have no idea if it actually works
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| 18:39 | <gbolte> lol or figure out the wireing and hack a cheap pc psu to run the damn thing thats what I would be doing right about now
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| 18:39 | start splicing wires
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| 18:39 | :D
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| 18:40 | <warren> this is incredible lose
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| 18:40 | tells you DON'T BUY COMPAQ
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| 18:40 | <gbolte> warren, just hack a damn psu
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| 18:40 | <warren> proprietary expensive power supplies
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| 18:40 | <gbolte> lol
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| 18:40 | <warren> I have no idea what these four pins are
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| 18:41 | <gbolte> well the original psu only put out 5V dc
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| 18:41 | so you are only talking + and -
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| 18:41 | should be fairly trivial to take it apart and find what those pins go to in the box
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| 18:41 | <warren> well, I guess I don't lose anything if I destroy this machine
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| 18:42 | <gbolte> yup
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| 18:42 | <warren> 50/50 chance
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| 18:43 | <gbolte> eh I would just take it apart and look at where the pins go to
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| 18:43 | and then apply 5V accordingly via old atx psu
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| 18:44 | though I have also burnt up a few electronics in my time
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| 18:44 | lol
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| 18:45 | <warren> I don't know what amperage this expects
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| 18:45 | <gbolte> shouldnt matter, atx psu should allow it to draw plenty
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| 18:51 | <gbolte> warren, good luck on hacking the power on the t20
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| 18:51 | <gbolte> I am out
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| 19:46 | <ab2> hi running firefox as a localapp - i've been told will only appear in the ibex ubuntu release?
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| 20:36 | <fedora_> warren, ping
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| 21:54 | <johnny> uggh.. stupid ubuntu..
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| 21:54 | i just did some normal upgrades...
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| 21:54 | as in.. to the supposably stable hardy
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| 21:54 | now i can't login
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| 21:55 | i can't even ssh to it :(
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| 22:10 | <johnny> pam didn't like it
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| 22:10 | pam_smbpass got added with an option called missingok
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| 22:10 | i had to fix it with a livecd..
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| 22:10 | if this was somebody's only computer..
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| 22:10 | they would be awful upset
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| 22:44 | <warren> johnny: sounds like that update made it 100% secure
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| 22:44 | <johnny> lol
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| 22:44 | well it's back now
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| 22:44 | it didn't turn out to be that
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| 22:44 | it was a kernel update that killed my sata controller
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| 22:45 | <warren> still, that's bad.
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| 22:45 | <johnny> was getting ERDY errors
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| 22:45 | <warren> and you coudln't reboot into the old kernel?
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| 22:45 | <johnny> well.. once i figured it out..
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| 22:45 | my gf still gets the grub menu choice
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| 22:45 | on her ubuntu box
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| 22:45 | but this one doesn't.. maybe somebody killed the timeout
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| 22:45 | <vagrantc> x
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| 22:46 | <johnny> this one was been on nearly the same install since dapper
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| 22:46 | <warren> vagrantc: the cleanup thing might be missing things like vmlinux and gentoo's names
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| 22:46 | vagrantc: but it would at least do nothing in that case.
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| 22:46 | <johnny> i replied to your email :)
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| 22:46 | <vagrantc> warren: ah. ok.
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| 22:46 | <johnny> ok.. i can finally go home
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| 22:47 | <vagrantc> warren: better to be conservative when purging files. :)
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| 22:47 | <johnny> bb in a bit
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| 22:47 | <warren> johnny: yeah, but hte way the script is written, it is not easy to add another trigger file
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| 22:47 | <vagrantc> i would like to modularize update-kernels, actually... make separate plugins for mknbi, mkelfimage, wraplinux,etc.
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| 22:49 | <warren> vagrantc: well, I'm not using update-kernels at all.
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| 22:49 | vagrantc: I found out that our initrd tool has its own plugins. like 6 lines of shell does everything I need.
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| 22:49 | <vagrantc> nice
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| 22:50 | we might be able to plug into the initramfs-tools hooks for debian/ubuntu ... i was thinking about it the other day, actually.
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| 22:50 | <warren> it even removes those same images when the kernel is uninstalled automatically
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| 22:51 | <vagrantc> very nice.
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| 22:51 | <warren> vagrantc: you might even have the same hooks, dkms uses them as well.
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| 22:52 | <vagrantc> i haven't delved into initramfs-tools in a while, but even if it doesn't currently support the hooks, it probably wouldn't be hard to add them in the future.
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| 22:52 | <warren> I also finished NBD root support for Fedora today.
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| 22:52 | <vagrantc> nice
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| 22:52 | <warren> I had to completely rewrite ltsp-update-image
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| 22:52 | it is like 7 lines long now
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